A win for the LGTBQ community


DaSleeper
+3
#901
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Yep the alphabet community have real problems to deal with and most Canadians would support them in this fight.


Maybe. If they didn't keep getting in everyones face. The clowns ruining the pride parade do not do themselves any favours by banning police from the parade. Or by claiming if you do not 150% support--------(insert alphabet combination here) you are somehow against them.

And they violently protested a straight pride parade in Boston
 
Tecumsehsbones
+1
#902
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

And they violently protested a straight pride parade in Boston

Well, that was primarily APN, not the LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ community.
 
Ron in Regina
+1
#903
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Well, that was primarily APN, not the LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ community.

Who or what is APN?
 
Tecumsehsbones
+2
#904
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina View Post

Who or what is APN?

Always Punch Nazis.
 
Serryah
#905
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Yep the alphabet community have real problems to deal with and most Canadians would support them in this fight.


Maybe. If they didn't keep getting in everyones face. The clowns ruining the pride parade do not do themselves any favours by banning police from the parade. Or by claiming if you do not 150% support--------(insert alphabet combination here) you are somehow against them.


I agree on pride parade and keeping police out of it; totally fukin stupid regardless of reasons for it.


As for support - well if you don't support them at any level, why should they tolerate your ass? If you don't support, you're against. And it's not conditional, either.


Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

And they violently protested a straight pride parade in Boston



Rightly so and considering how many didn't show, apparently heterosexuals don't support a "straight pride parade" either.
 
gerryh
+4
#906
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

I agree on pride parade and keeping police out of it; totally fukin stupid regardless of reasons for it.


So, inclusivity is a one way street. Previously, at least, gay members of the police forces could March and participate. Now, its screw you, you're not wanted nor do you deserve to be here. Gotta say, really not feeling the love.
 
Mowich
+4 / -1
#907
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

I agree on pride parade and keeping police out of it; totally fukin stupid regardless of reasons for it.


So what, gay police aren't gay enough for you? Gay police don't have the same rights as other gays? Gay police are a danger to other gays when they choose to march with them? Definitely a great way to gain support for the cause./s


Quote:

As for support - well if you don't support them at any level, why should they tolerate your ass? If you don't support, you're against. And it's not conditional, either.

Good frickin' grief. I don't 'support' abortion but I am intelligent enough to realize that others have the right to do so. I don't support people ignoring the pandemic and marching in the streets in large numbers - doesn't mean that they don't have the right to do so. And yes, support can be conditional for many reasons.
 
Serryah
+2
#908
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh View Post

So, inclusivity is a one way street. Previously, at least, gay members of the police forces could March and participate. Now, its screw you, you're not wanted nor do you deserve to be here. Gotta say, really not feeling the love.


Actually not what I mean.


Sorry, was 'late' for me and it's obvious what I wrote got taken wrong.

I mean I agree on the assessment that Pride parade not including the police is stupid.


I've said as much before.

Disallowing the police is a mistake not just generally, but politically as well and the people of Pride who agreed to it are effin' morons.
 
Serryah
#909
Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post

So what, gay police aren't gay enough for you? Gay police don't have the same rights as other gays? Gay police are a danger to other gays when they choose to march with them? Definitely a great way to gain support for the cause./s


To repeat:



Actually not what I mean.


Sorry, was 'late' for me and it's obvious what I wrote got taken wrong.

I mean I agree on the assessment that Pride parade not including the police is stupid.


I've said as much before.

Disallowing the police is a mistake not just generally, but politically as well and the people of Pride who agreed to it are effin' morons.


Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post

Good frickin' grief. I don't 'support' abortion but I am intelligent enough to realize that others have the right to do so. I don't support people ignoring the pandemic and marching in the streets in large numbers - doesn't mean that they don't have the right to do so. And yes, support can be conditional for many reasons.


My point was if you say you support gays and yet in the next breath go on about how gays are effin' stupid for wanting their rights (which some rights they're just getting now, like job protections) then it's obvious you don't support them at all.

Or anything else in the non-heterosexual 'alphabet soup' thing.
 
petros
+1
#910
You have trouble seeing who is in your corner.

Example "do what you want just keep it out of my face and within reality".

Is that an anti or a pro to you?
 
Mowich
+4
#911
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

To repeat:

Actually not what I mean.

Sorry, was 'late' for me and it's obvious what I wrote got taken wrong.

I mean I agree on the assessment that Pride parade not including the police is stupid.

I've said as much before.

Disallowing the police is a mistake not just generally, but politically as well and the people of Pride who agreed to it are effin' morons.

My point was if you say you support gays and yet in the next breath go on about how gays are effin' stupid for wanting their rights (which some rights they're just getting now, like job protections) then it's obvious you don't support them at all.

Or anything else in the non-heterosexual 'alphabet soup' thing.

Thank you for the correction regarding gay police being involved in a parade.

I have never stated that ' gays are effin' stupid for wanting their rights (which some rights they're just getting now, like job protections)'. Where you got that from is completely beyond me.
 
Girth
+2
#912
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

I've said as much before.
Disallowing the police is a mistake not just generally, but politically as well and the people of Pride who agreed to it are effin' morons.

The Pride festival organizers had no choice. The POC and BLM contigent hijacked a parade in Toronto, by lying down in the street, and refusing to move until the Pride organizers agreed to ban Police from the parade. That is usually referred to as "terrorism."

In fact the Edmonton Pride had to cancel the 2019 Pride event after BLM influenced groups stormed into a private board meeting, made ridiculous demands, attempted to extort Pride, and were intimidating and threatening them to the point where they called Police. Rather than give in to demands that RaciaNow and the other POC groups demanded, they cancelled the festival.

here are some "demands' by RaciaNow:

DEMAND # 4 - $1500 to fund a SOC organized QTIBPOC sober dance party on the evening of pride

Our vision is to provide QTIBPOC with a space to move their bodies in ways that they may not feel safe doing in everyday life or mainstream queer spaces.

When people face queerphobia, transphobia and racism collectively, it can be difficult to form positive relationships to their bodies. For some, dance offers a way to work through those difficult feelings.


Here are the demands in laymans terms:

"It is essential [...] that Pride is lead with a protest against systemic injustice. [...] This protest will be in place of the parade, and anyone who joins must have beliefs that are in line with the message of the protest."

"Upon inspection by Shades of Colour and RaricaNow, applicants will be either permitted or denied entry."

"These workshops and resources should take up the most space and be at the centre of Pride in the Park"

"Applicants will acknowledge [...] We need to fight to defend this land at all costs against all threats, including government-sanctioned invading pipelines."

"Applicants will recognize that [...] the fight against capitalism, [...] as well as prison abolitionist movements intersect with fighting the ongoing effects of racism and queerphobia."

"provide Shades of Colour (SoC) and RaricaNow with $20,000 each."

"$1500 to fund a SOC organized QTIBPOC sober dance party "

"we realistically may need to travel to larger more established cities such as Brooklyn, Oakland, etc [...] Our demand is that the Pride Board funds these learning opportunities"

"Our demand is that the EPSF writes a public accountability statement about the harm that the EPFS has caused QTIBPOC+ communities"


In Serryah's World, it's Edmonton Pride's fault for not knowing initially what to do when faced with an obvious extortion attempt by a bunch of freaks. The truth is, Pride did the right thing in cancelling the event, as anyone with an iota of common sense would realize they were in a no-win situation.

Give in to demands: Let the RaciaNow group control the parade, collect $14,500, and take credit for the Parade, and relegate Pride to the background, and force them to do all the planning, and bureaucracy that comes with staging these events, which would have been next to impossible as they are registered non-profit.

Stand up to the RacialNow and Shades of Colour groups,a nd be labelled racist, and risk threats of violence, intimidation, and their attempts at sabotaging the Parade when it occurs.
Last edited by Girth; Aug 11th, 2020 at 01:48 PM..
 
gerryh
+3
#913
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

I mean I agree on the assessment that Pride parade not including the police is stupid.
I've said as much before.
Disallowing the police is a mistake not just generally, but politically as well and the people of Pride who agreed to it are effin' morons.
My point was if you say you support gays and yet in the next breath go on about how gays are effin' stupid for wanting their rights (which some rights they're just getting now, like job protections) then it's obvious you don't support them at all.
Or anything else in the non-heterosexual 'alphabet soup' thing.


I have bolded 2 statements by you, that in the next breath you speak against. There are those that made the decission and demand, concerning the police, that would say that they are exercising there rights to make such a decission. Does that mean since you consider them morons and the act stupid that you are both anti lgbtq2+ and racist, or do your rules apply differently to "vanillas"?
 
petros
+2
#914
Rage. It's all the rage.
 
Serryah
#915
Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post

Thank you for the correction regarding gay police being involved in a parade.

I have never stated that ' gays are effin' stupid for wanting their rights (which some rights they're just getting now, like job protections)'. Where you got that from is completely beyond me.


That last statement wasn't for you but rather what I have seen others say about gay rights.
 
Mowich
#916
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

That last statement wasn't for you but rather what I have seen others say about gay rights.


Then why did you bother to include it in your reply making it appear that I did indeed post such comments? Just another OOPS?
 
petros
+1
#917
LMFAO

Serryah, Do you drive a Dodge?
 
Serryah
+1
#918
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh View Post

I have bolded 2 statements by you, that in the next breath you speak against.


I stand by the fact I believe that keeping the police out of Pride is a fuking stupid decision.


Why do you think I speak against it?


Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh View Post

There are those that made the decission and demand, concerning the police, that would say that they are exercising there rights to make such a decission.


Sure, I agree that this is likely what they're doing.


IMO, it was effing stupid to do.


Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh View Post

Does that mean since you consider them morons


Okay, so I am going on 2 hours sleep here; consider who, exactly, to be morons? The people who pushed the police out of Pride? Yes.


Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh View Post

and the act stupid that you are both anti lgbtq2+ and racist, or do your rules apply differently to "vanillas"?


Where does racism and this 'vanilla' thing come in?

I am honestly confused here WTF you're talking about.


To try and be clearer...

To me, IMO, it was stupid and moronic to push the police out of the Pride parade because, IMO, there are gay cops and cops CAN be an ally to GLBT+ people. Pushing them out of Pride basically gave the impression of "Fuk the police" which does NOT help the public image what so ever of Pride.

The police who wanted to attend Pride were supporters. They should have been allowed to be there.


The rest of my post concerns lip service types; those who, again, say "Oh I support Gay people!" but then see no issue with gays being fired from their jobs or denied homes because of their gayness, etc. That isn't supportive, that's like the token non-white friend white people tend to throw out to prove their not racist.
 
Girth
+2
#919
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

The rest of my post concerns lip service types; those who, again, say "Oh I support Gay people!" but then see no issue with gays being fired from their jobs or denied homes because of their gayness, etc. That isn't supportive, that's like the token non-white friend white people tend to throw out to prove their not racist.

I could be wrong, but I have never read anything about any member supporting discrimination against Gays and Lesbians, when it comes to Housing or Employment.
 
petros
+3
#920
Quote: Originally Posted by Girth View Post

I could be wrong, but I have never read anything about any member supporting discrimination against Gays and Lesbians, when it comes to Housing or Employment.

Nope. None of that around here. No "round em up" types either. She has a hard time accepting "I dont care what you do as long as it's not in my face and stays within reality" as support.
 
Tecumsehsbones
+1
#921
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Nope. None of that around here. No "round em up" types either. She has a hard time accepting "I dont care what you do as long as it's not in my face and stays within reality" as support.

Do you apply the same standards to straights?

And I seem to recollect some hostility to same-sex marriage on this board.
 
gerryh
+2
#922
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

The rest of my post concerns lip service types; those who, again, say "Oh I support Gay people!" but then see no issue with gays being fired from their jobs or denied homes because of their gayness, etc. That isn't supportive, that's like the token non-white friend white people tend to throw out to prove their not racist.

And who are those people on this board. Who are you talking about. Bringing it up implies it is happening here. Who are these people?
 
Girth
#923
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Do you apply the same standards to straights?
And I seem to recollect some hostility to same-sex marriage on this board.

Personally, I am fine with Gay marriage. I've always been on board with equal rights for Gays and Lesbians, and that includes education, the military, housing, employment, etc. I came to the conclusion long ago, that there is probably a genetic component in homosexuality.
 
Tecumsehsbones
+4
#924
Quote: Originally Posted by Girth View Post

Personally, I am fine with Gay marriage. I've always been on board with equal rights for Gays and Lesbians, and that includes education, the military, housing, employment, etc. I came to the conclusion long ago, that there is probably a genetic component in homosexuality.

My rule's pretty simple: if you ain't sleeping with me, I don't much give a damn who (or what) you're sleeping with.
 
DaSleeper
+1
#925
I also believe in laissez faire, when it doesn't directly affect me!
 
taxslave
+1
#926
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

I agree on pride parade and keeping police out of it; totally fukin stupid regardless of reasons for it.
As for support - well if you don't support them at any level, why should they tolerate your ass? If you don't support, you're against. And it's not conditional, either.
Rightly so and considering how many didn't show, apparently heterosexuals don't support a "straight pride parade" either.

Wrong wrong wrong. I don't care which way they swing. Two of my favourite people are lesbians. Both were in our fire department at different times. I've trusted both with my life. Both are strong, intelligent women. They don't need support. What they do with other women is of no concern to me or anyone else. Probably the one thing pappa trudOWE got right was that the government has no place in the bedrooms of the nation. And neither does anyone else.
ETA: Unless they are playing with kids in the bedroom. Then we eliminate them.
 

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