Federal Carbon Tax ruled to be constitutional


Twin_Moose
Conservative
#61
Saskatchewan files notice of carbon tax appeal to Supreme Court of Canada
 
Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
+1
#62
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Saskatchewan files notice of carbon tax appeal to Supreme Court of Canada

Now if this court case takes place in early October of 2019....Hmmmmm.....
 
Decapoda
+1
#63
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Gas and oil are priced via speculation.

That is why they are no longer a reliable energy source.

So where does that put green energy? The entire green energy fairy tale is based on speculation....speculation that in some magical time in the future it will be self-sustainable, which it most certainly is not at the present time.

We keep hearing that technology will save us when it comes to green energy, that as technology improves wind and solar will somehow magically overtake more traditional forms of energy production. This is a complete myth, building solar panels, windmills and batteries takes an enormous amount of energy, and create numerous extremely toxic and environmentally damaging by-products. Green energy is completely unsustainable economically, relying heavily on massive government subsidies to artificially prop it up and make it look good. Meanwhile, no one seems to be looking at the fact that the same speculative potential that technology offers to green the energy industry, can also be applied to fossil fuel energy, including clean coal, natural gas, and carbon capture technology to list a few being researched...not to mention the one method of energy creation with the most potential to solve our energy problems...nuclear.

There isn't an energy option currently available that isn't priced (or subsidized) somewhat on speculation...conventional or green.
 
Hoid
#64
Quote: Originally Posted by Decapoda View Post

So where does that put green energy? The entire green energy fairy tale is based on speculation....speculation that in some magical time in the future it will be self-sustainable, which it most certainly is not at the present time.

you don't understand the word "speculation"
 
MHz
#65
Who makes the most decisions for Canada, the UK or the Netherlands??
 
Decapoda
+3
#66
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

you don't understand the word "speculation"


I do, I also understand the words "arrogantly presumptuous". You missed the point... I understand that, too.
 
spilledthebeer
#67
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

you don't understand the word "speculation"




Oh hemer-HOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HOW IN HELL can you..............................................


the numbskull LIE-beral who understands NOTHING of economics......................................... .


and who considers it an infringement on his LIE-beral RIGHT TO BE IGNORANT...................................



PRESUME to lecture ANYBODY about business speculation??????????????????????????????


Head over to your local mall and LOOK at all the stuff on SALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



LOOK at all the signs saying 20% off .................................................. ..


or 40% OFF AND ETC............................................... ............


our ENTIRE BUSINESS MODEL is speculation....................................... ................


as in..............................................


I BET I CAN sell this car.....................................


this shirt............................................. .............


this bag of vegetables........................................ ...............


for that much money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals like hemer-HOID are so grossly entitled they think they ARE THE ECONOMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals are SO ARROGANT they do not recognize themselves as PARASITES feeding on and HAMPERING the economy with



their ENDLESS GREED FOR GRAVY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !



That is why one term wonder - Ontari-owe NDP premier Bob (BOOB!) Rae could decide to make us rich with BORROWED MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And when the plan FELL APART......................................


because NDPers are the LESS INTELLIGENT LIE-beral cousins.........................................


Rae BLAMED THE BANKS for not loaning him the money he needed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Rae made such a MESS on Ontari-owe..............................................


and SHAMED the ENTIRE NDP SO BADLY............................................. ..


that RAE was forcecd to LEAVE the NDP...............................................


but Rae Bullsh+t so dazzled the LIE-berals they made him their Interim Leader!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And then they elected Our idiot Boy Justin to lead them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And Our idiot Boy implemented a larger, more costly and more destructive version of the LUNATIC RAE PLAN..............................


and now the federal money has run out........................................


and crushing economic reality is returning......................................... ..


and people are ANGRY with Our idiot Boy and his loser LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!


Which leaves hemer-HOID thrashing around like a fish in a net.............................................


struggling to find some way to defend his LIE-beral losers from the consequences of their IDIOCY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And hemer-HOID wants to ACT all intellectually SUPERIOR to others on this site???????????????????????????


There is an OXYMORON.............................or maybe just a PLAIN MORON............................................. ........


a LIE-beral DEFENDER PRETENDING to be intellectually superior.......................................... ..........


while defending an IDIOT LIE-beral DISASTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+3
#68
In dissent on carbon pricing, a 'traditionalist' judge puts Ottawa in its place

He basically said that it is in the Provincial's interest
 
Curious Cdn
No Party Affiliation
#69
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If you put the price of water UP to insane heights..........................................


people will still keep drinking it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!


Because they MUST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!
Putting the price of gas UP to insane heights........................................... ...............
simply gets people PISSED at the idiot govt that is deliberately driving UP the insane prices!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And the public SEES CLEARLY that the concept of supply and demand............................................ .
DOES NOT WORK IN A MONOPOLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!
If the ONLY WAY to get to work is to drive....................................
then YOU WILL DRIVE............................................. ........
while LIE-berals make grand plans to build pubic transit.......................................
that will NEVER BE BUILT..........................................
because LIE-berals REFUSE to spend THEIR GRAVY.............................................
ON OUR NEEDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!
LIE-berals ARE THE BIGGEST THREAT to the environment that our world faces!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LIE-beral policy is SO GROSSLY SELF SERVING that constitutes a MAJOR OBSTACLE to logical climate solutions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Supply and Demand applies to elastic and inelastic commodidities, as well. The curves have rather different shapes, though. Also, one of the rational responses to dramatic price increases in necessities such as water is Black Marketeering. If you make necessities inaccessible, people will find innovative pathways to access them, inside or outside of the law. [See:Heroin trade]
 
spilledthebeer
#70
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Supply and Demand applies to elastic and inelastic commodidities, as well. The curves have rather different shapes, though. Also, one of the rational responses to dramatic price increases in necessities such as water is Black Marketeering. If you make necessities inaccessible, people will find innovative pathways to access them, inside or outside of the law. [See:Heroin trade]






OH Comrade Curious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You are so wonderfully eloquently ..................................................


FULL OF IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


THERE IS A THIRD OPTION...........................................


that has not occurred to the calcified thinking of the Joe Clark............................................. .WHO??????????????????????????


Brigade of Red Tory has beens!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That third option involves FLUSHING OUT our clogged political toilet............................................ ..


and sending the obstructionist LIE-berals swirling down the drain............................................. ........


like the nasty political turds they are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-beral political interference is ALSO A PRICE DRIVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!


As the SOARING PRICE OF vegetables........................................ ....


trucked in from California and Mexico et all PROVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!
 
Decapoda
+4
#71
I guess Juniors carbon tax might not be constitutional after all...


Federal carbon pricing law unconstitutional, Alberta Court of Appeal rules

Majority opinion called the federal act 'a constitutional Trojan horse'

In a 4-1 decision, the Court of Appeal of Alberta has found the the federal government's Greenhouse Gas Pollution Pricing Act to be unconstitutional as it poses unlimited intrusion on provincial jurisdiction.

The appeal court decision, released Monday, rejects Ottawa's argument that regulation of greenhouse gas emissions is an issue of national concern, citing the division of powers in the constitution that gives the provinces responsibility for non-renewal resources.

The majority opinion called the federal act "a constitutional Trojan horse" and a "grand entrance hall into every head of provincial power."
Last edited by Decapoda; 2 days ago at 04:41 PM..
 
captain morgan
No Party Affiliation
+3
#72
Quote: Originally Posted by Decapoda View Post

I guess Juniors carbon tax might not be constitutional after all...


Federal carbon pricing law unconstitutional, Alberta Court of Appeal rules

Majority opinion called the federal act 'a constitutional Trojan horse'

In a 4-1 decision, the Court of Appeal of Alberta has found the the federal government's Greenhouse Gas Pollution Pricing Act to be unconstitutional as it poses unlimited intrusion on provincial jurisdiction.

The appeal court decision, released Monday, rejects Ottawa's argument that regulation of greenhouse gas emissions is an issue of national concern, citing the division of powers in the constitution that gives the provinces responsibility for non-renewal resources.

The majority opinion called the federal act "a constitutional Trojan horse" and a "grand entrance hall into every head of provincial power."


 
B00Mer
No Party Affiliation
+3
#73
Carbon tax is an unconstitutional “Trojan horse”: Alberta Court of Appeal


https://tnc.news/2020/02/24/carbon-t...urt-of-appeal/

ALBERTA'S TURN!!
 
captain morgan
No Party Affiliation
+2
#74
It will be interesting to see how other provinces adapt their practices in order to take the same path
 
DaSleeper
#75
Got some kind of carbon tax rebate on my income tax yesterday.....whatever that is...
 
captain morgan
No Party Affiliation
+4
#76
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

Got some kind of carbon tax rebate on my income tax yesterday.....whatever that is...


You received a small fraction of what you actually paid.


As of yesterday, the Fed carbon tax is illegal in Alberta.


Good on ya Jason Kenney
 
Jinentonix
No Party Affiliation
+2
#77
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

The internet.

It makes everyone just as smart as everyone else.

No, you're still as big a moron here as you are in real life.
 
Hoid
#78
Quote: Originally Posted by Decapoda View Post

I guess Juniors carbon tax might not be constitutional after all...


Federal carbon pricing law unconstitutional, Alberta Court of Appeal rules

Majority opinion called the federal act 'a constitutional Trojan horse'

In a 4-1 decision, the Court of Appeal of Alberta has found the the federal government's Greenhouse Gas Pollution Pricing Act to be unconstitutional as it poses unlimited intrusion on provincial jurisdiction.

The appeal court decision, released Monday, rejects Ottawa's argument that regulation of greenhouse gas emissions is an issue of national concern, citing the division of powers in the constitution that gives the provinces responsibility for non-renewal resources.

The majority opinion called the federal act "a constitutional Trojan horse" and a "grand entrance hall into every head of provincial power."

Exactly as predicted.

As all things do it will eventually wind it way way through all these lower courts until the SC takes it up.

It would seem to be a slam dunk for the feds but who can say?
 
Jinentonix
No Party Affiliation
+4
#79
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

There are 40 national and 20 sub national carbon taxes

If someone was really interested in how they are supposed to work why on earth wouldn't they just go and find out?

I's because they don;t care how they work. They only care that they are something they are supposed to be against and so they are.

White natty 101

Because they don't work and govts lie about it. Take Norway for example. They've had a carbon tax since 1990. The Norwad govt proclaimed that the carbon taxes reduced emissions by 16% net, between 1990 and 2005. However, the Norwegian equivalent of StatsCan clearly stated that emissions in Norway increased by 33% over the same period.



But hey, why let facts and reality get in the way of ideological piffle? ALT-left facism 101.
 
Decapoda
+3
#80
Some of the wording in the ruling is actually quite stunning.

Quote:

[349] If the Greenhouse Gas Pollution Pricing Act is a valid law, the constitutional foundation for provincial governments is badly damaged and their future as an important level of government is in jeopardy. Federalism, as we have known it for over 150 years, is over.

Alberta Press
 
Hoid
#81
Or stunned.
 
Jinentonix
No Party Affiliation
+2
#82
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Exactly as predicted.

As all things do it will eventually wind it way way through all these lower courts until the SC takes it up.

It would seem to be a slam dunk for the feds but who can say?

No slam dunk. Considering the carbon tax isn't equal among the provinces, there's no way in hell the tax is constitutional. If it is constitutional, then why does Quebec get away with charging 1/3 LESS than the federal tax amount? Yep, everyone else has to cough up $30 a tonne but Quebec only has to cough up $20 a tonne.


The other issue is, according to our Constitution the natural resources within a province belong to said province. So how is it that the Fed can interfere in the exploitation of those provincial resources? Either the provinces have full domain over their resources or they don't. It's a little late in the game for the Fed to suddenly decide the rules no longer apply without adjusting the Constitution. Oh wait, it's a bunch of ALT-left racist trash running the country. I keep forgetting they exempt themselves from the rules and laws they demand everyone else obey.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+2
#83
Premier Scott Moe praises Alberta court decision calling carbon tax unconstitutional

Quote:

Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe says his resolve has been strengthened in his government's ongoing battle against the federal carbon tax after Alberta's Court of Appeal ruled the tax unconstitutional on Monday.

Alberta is the third province to have its courts weigh in on the carbon tax but is the only province to find the tax unconstitutional. Courts in Saskatchewan and Ontario had previously decided the government was within its power to impose the tax.
"Today's ruling confirms that the federal government has no right to impose a carbon tax on some provinces but not others, based on how each province has chosen to legislate its own constitutional power," Moe said in Saskatoon after the 4-1 decision was made public.
Alberta judges ruled that the regulation of greenhouse gases is not a national responsibility and the carbon tax itself was labelled a "constitutional Trojan horse" of overreaching executive powers that could impede provinces in the future.
Moe said this now means Saskatchewan can re-examine its Prairie Resilience plan, a plan which did not include a price on carbon.
Moe called on Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to shelve the carbon tax: "it's the right thing to do, on behalf of Canadians," Moe said.
"It isn't reducing our carbon emissions," he said. "Most certainly, I will speak to Saskatchewan: the carbon tax does nothing to reduce our carbon emissions; it reduces our economic opportunity."
Studies of B.C.'s carbon tax, which started in 2008, have found that emissions declined in that province after the tax was introduced.
Saskatchewan's greenhouse gas emissions are the highest in Canada per capita, at 66.9 tonnes of carbon dioxide equivalents, according to the Canada Energy Regulator. The national equivalent is 19.4 tonnes.
The Supreme Court of Canada is scheduled to hear two days of arguments March 24 and 25.

 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+1
#84
Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

No slam dunk. Considering the carbon tax isn't equal among the provinces, there's no way in hell the tax is constitutional. If it is constitutional, then why does Quebec get away with charging 1/3 LESS than the federal tax amount? Yep, everyone else has to cough up $30 a tonne but Quebec only has to cough up $20 a tonne.
The other issue is, according to our Constitution the natural resources within a province belong to said province. So how is it that the Fed can interfere in the exploitation of those provincial resources? Either the provinces have full domain over their resources or they don't. It's a little late in the game for the Fed to suddenly decide the rules no longer apply without adjusting the Constitution. Oh wait, it's a bunch of ALT-left racist trash running the country. I keep forgetting they exempt themselves from the rules and laws they demand everyone else obey.

Ont. and Que. doesn't have to pay Carbon tax on imported oil which is a head scratcher as well, must be less Carbon produced by foreign oil?
 
Jinentonix
No Party Affiliation
+3
#85
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Or stunned.

That's you in a nut shell. And the author is correct. Constitutionally the provinces have domain over the natural resources that exist within their borders. And yet the Fed has worked hard to prevent one province in particular from realizing its resource potential. What's the sense in having domain over natural resources when the Fed can come along and prevent you from exploiting those resources? Or you and your foreign-funded ALT-left racist buddies who don't want to see the Natives gain some economic independence.


Face it, you're just racist f*cking garbage. Just like the rest of the ALT-left dregs out there. You don't give one goddam shit about anyone outside of how you can use them to further your dehumanizing, authoritarian agenda.
 
Jinentonix
No Party Affiliation
+3
#86
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Ont. and Que. doesn't have to pay Carbon tax on imported oil which is a head scratcher as well, must be less Carbon produced by foreign oil?

Oh for sure man. If you listen to the enviro-tards Canadian oil is a about a gazillion times more carbon intensive that "traditional" oil deposits.
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#87
Quote: Originally Posted by Decapoda View Post

I guess Juniors carbon tax might not be constitutional after all...


Federal carbon pricing law unconstitutional, Alberta Court of Appeal rules

Majority opinion called the federal act 'a constitutional Trojan horse'

In a 4-1 decision, the Court of Appeal of Alberta has found the the federal government's Greenhouse Gas Pollution Pricing Act to be unconstitutional as it poses unlimited intrusion on provincial jurisdiction.

The appeal court decision, released Monday, rejects Ottawa's argument that regulation of greenhouse gas emissions is an issue of national concern, citing the division of powers in the constitution that gives the provinces responsibility for non-renewal resources.

The majority opinion called the federal act "a constitutional Trojan horse" and a "grand entrance hall into every head of provincial power."




The carbon tax SCAM that is so ESSENTIAL to LIE-beral re-election HOPES............................


because it is expected to provide a NICE NEW GRAVY SUPPLY for LIE-berals BUYING VOTES..................................



is EXACTLY the sort of TWISTED deceitful policy so BELOVED by LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


One MAJOR ISSUE with the carbon tax SCAM is that it IS NOT APPLIED EQUALLY TO ALL CITIZENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Some provinces WILL PAY proportionately MORE THAN OTHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


For instance - ALBERTA AND ONTARI-OWE WILL PAY MORE than either Quebec or New Brunswick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Another issue is that the CARBON TAX REBATE - that amazing slice of FAUX LIE-beral economic magic........................


that LIE-berals INSIST will BOTH RAISE LOTS OF NEW REVENUE FOR "GREEN PROJECTS"...........................


AND AT THE SAME TIME GIVE MOST CDNS MORE CASH BACK THAN THEY PAID IN....................................


IS NOT being paid out in any FAIR WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Cdns are ALREADY OUTRAGED BY THE DISCRIMINATORY WAY that LIE-berals are handing out federal transfers...................


to provinces that ARE MOST LIKELY TO SUPPORT LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And of course the new gravy from the carbon tax SCAM will make this LIE-beral BIGOTRY EVEN WORSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The Ontari-owe Ford govt went to war with Our idiot Boy over the carbon tax scam.........................


and lost - simply because Ottawa DOES HAVE the legal right to impose taxes...........................


ON ALL CDNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


By contrast - The Alberta Court has served notice on Ottawa that trying to PREVENT A PROVINCIAL GOVT..............................


from developing certain industries by taxing them VERY HEAVILY ..............................................


OR BY IMPOSING ONEROUS LEGAL REQUIREMENTS and restrictions...........................


such as imposing INSANE DEMANDS FOR CONSULTATION WITH NATIVES on the provincial govt.......................


SIMPLY BECAUSE OTTAWA IS BIASED AND DISAPPROVING of a project...........................


IS NOT LEGAL as development of industry is a PROVINCIAL RESPONSIBILITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Further- there IS THE HUGE NATIONAL ISSUE OF THE RULE OF LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The majority of natives along the Northern Gateway Pipeline WANT THE PROJECT COMPLETED........................


so they can win jobs and cash from it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is only a RADICAL MINORITY WITHIN A MINORITY - that opposes the pipelines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Ottawa has NOW called into doubt whether majority rule ACTUALLY MEANS ANYTHING IN CANADA ANY MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


We are looking at a MINORITY within the native community - defying THEIR OWN ELECTED LEADERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WITH THE SUPPORT OF A FEDERAL LIE-BERAL MINORITY GOVT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy himself DOES NOT REPRESENT THE MAJORITY OF CDNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
captain morgan
No Party Affiliation
+4
#88
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Exactly as predicted.

As all things do it will eventually wind it way way through all these lower courts until the SC takes it up.

It would seem to be a slam dunk for the feds but who can say?


A 4 to 1 decision.... Poor ole tater tot is crapping bricks about now, but to what will be a big surprise for junior, Kenney (and Moe's) next step is to withdraw AB and SK's contributions to CPP.


.... There goes the Lib Party's voter base
 
petros
+1
#89
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Or stunned.

Sweet. My gas will be back under a dollar without the JST.
 
petros
#90
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

A 4 to 1 decision.... Poor ole tater tot is crapping bricks about now, but to what will be a big surprise for junior, Kenney (and Moe's) next step is to withdraw AB and SK's contributions to CPP.
.... There goes the Lib Party's voter base

That makes for a super big conundrum. CPP is now the biggest farmland owner in Canada.