Capitalism will save this world


JamesBondo
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#1111
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

Somehow I doubt you have the faintest idea as to what socialism actually is; at least not by judging your posts.

This is socialism - public highways, public schools, universities, national parks, recreational centres, public hospitals, health care. Feel free to tell which of these you would eliminate.

Capitalism would not seek to eliminate anything. It is more than willing to allow all of that to coexist. I believe it is socialism that seeks to eliminate.
 
Angstrom
#1112
Capitalism will eventually have a winner who will have invested itself into being able to produce & supply everything and anything in the most cost effective manner possible. Something that socialism would never achieve.

Once that identity assumes complete monopoly. Capitalism will have to change. There is no denial of that fact
 
tay
#1113
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https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...te-fan-edition
 
tay
#1114
 
Angstrom
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#1115
Quote: Originally Posted by tay View Post

You have to take the good with the bad.
How else but capitalism, do you motivate individuals to work their ass's off to achieve amazing innovations that we all benefit from?

Small minded humans don't realize that many of the innovations we have wouldn't have ever been invented without the carrot that capitalism provides to motivate people to push harder, and spend hours of their life making something amazing we all now benefit for.

Small minds seldom have the intellectual capacity to understand the two sides of a coin. Would you rather still live like cave people but without capitalism? I think not.
 
Walter
#1116
Quote: Originally Posted by tay View Post

Just another commie.
 
Danbones
#1117
Who was it said, "competition is a sin?"

capitalism has never been tried
 
Angstrom
#1118
Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

Just another commie.

Some people just don't have the capacity to ever be good at anything. I can understand why those people wouldn't support capitalism. Because there is no way they would ever benefit from it directly. And jealousy is strong in this kind.
 
tay
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#1119
Employees at Elon Musk’s Space X company work 90-hour weeks or more. So says Ashlee Vance in his enthusiastic 2015 Musk bio. Vance also quotes Musk grumbling on a Saturday because not enough employees at Tesla showed up to work on the weekend.

“We’ve grown ****ing soft,” Vance quotes Musk as saying

Vance doesn’t find it ridiculous that Musk is cussing out his employees for having a life. On the contrary, Musk’s statement puts Vance in mind of other “visionaries” like Steve Jobs or Howard Hughes. Working all day isn’t exploitive or unreasonable in Vance’s view; instead, it’s a sign of determination, grit and genius.

It’s not just Musk and Vance who think that working every waking hour is virtuous. Americans in general celebrate those who chain themselves to their desk. In his successful 2008 book Outliers, Malcolm Gladwell toasted a 12-year-old named Marita, who attended a KIPP school, rising before six, going to bed at 12, and spending basically all her time doing schoolwork. “… a belief in work ought to be a thing of beauty,” Gladwell gushes.

If so, America is getting more and more beautiful. Americans work an average of 47 hours a week ; twenty percent work 59 hours a week. Americans work more hours than any other Western nation. That change occurred relatively recently; up until the 1970s , Europeans and Americans worked about the same number of hours. It’s only in the last 50 years that Americans have pulled ahead, so that they now work as much as an hour more a day than people in comparable countries.

But is that work really paying off? Most research says that the answer is “no.” One Boston University study found that employers—like Musk—couldn’t tell the difference in productivity between workers who put in 80 hours a week and those who just pretended . A 2014 study at Stanford found that employee productivity per hour starts to fall after 50 hours, and drops precipitously after 55. As a result, workers who put in 70 hours a week don’t accomplish more than those who work 55. Researchers at the Finnish Institute of Occupational Health have found that long hours increase stress, depression, and heart disease.

Longer hours mean rising insurance costs and no real increase in productivity. Musk’s insistence that workers put the company first, and his effort to hire people without family commitments, may also be related to his companies’ culture of sexism, which has garnered much bad publicity and could result in costly lawsuits . Hard-charging CEOs like Musk who equate hours with commitment are actively damaging their own companies.

Or at least, not for any reason tied to the business’ mission statements. Musk’s companies like Tesla and Space X are supposed to have high-minded goals. Tesla develops electric cars, is committed to reducing pollution and weaning the US from Middle East oil. Space X wants to develop the technology to take humans to Mars, ensuring the future of the species. This is why Musk feels justified in asking employees to work long hours; he’s trying to Save Humanity. Yes, attending the birth of your child is important, but is it as important as Saving Humanity? Maybe you feel like you need to spend a bit longer than usual on the toilet, but think about Saving Humanity, and then reassess that dump.

Research indicates that shortening your dump or skipping your child’s birth won’t actually Save Humanity. But it will reassure your boss, Elon Musk, that the work you’re doing is extremely important. The push for more and more hours isn’t about productivity; it’s about hierarchy. Employees set fire to hours, days, years of their lives in order to offer them on the pyre of executive self-importance. Workers filling the office on Saturday assures Musk that he is strong and virtuous—or, at the very least, that he and his goals are the most important thing in the lives of everyone around him.

Americans like to think that theirs is an unusually non-hierarchical society, in which all people are equal, and all can advance through grit and hard work. But our country’s galumphing inequality suggests otherwise. Grit and hard work aren’t a way to advance to the top of the heap. Rather, they’re tributes to the king. Employees bend to the yoke not to draw the plow, but simply so that Elon Musk and his ilk can watch them grovel.

My Life for Elon Musk | www.splicetoday.com
 
darkbeaver
#1120
The currency of capitalism is the human mind and muscle.
 
tay
#1121
 
Cliffy
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#1122
 
HarperCons
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#1123
Capitalism has been destroying the world for a long time now.

capitalists use the labourer's human mind and muscle that's for sure.
 
OmegaOm
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#1124
How can a Psychopathic ideal save the world?

Corporation compared to Psychopathic symptoms.
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Callous disregard for the feelings of others. Check.

Incapacity to maintain enduring relationships. Check.

Reckless disregard for the safety of others. Check.

Deceitfulness: repeated lying and conniving others for profit. Check.

Incapacity to experience guilt. Check.

Failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors. Check.
 
Angstrom
#1125
We certainly are not going to save the world the communist way of talking about it to feel self righteous and then doing nothing waiting for someone else to do it.
 
HarperCons
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#1126
Quote: Originally Posted by Angstrom View Post

We certainly are not going to save the world the communist way of talking about it to feel self righteous and then doing nothing waiting for someone else to do it.

you have no knowledge to substantiate your nonsense opinions.
 
OmegaOm
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#1127
The ability or desire to innovate does not have to come from profit. In fact most engineers do it cause they enjoy it, and cant think of doing anything else. Science itself was made by people who cared only to discover something of nature. It is an illusion to think you need to make money to innovate.

Capitalism goal is to find a niche in the market to make a profit. Sure this can come from all the damage capitalism has already caused. But I think its best if we think ahead and not cause any damage to begin with.
Lets stop making useless products that break after a couple uses so you can buy more. This just wastes resources and pollutes our environment further.

Also the corporations that have lots of money prevent other businesses from getting a foot hold.
We can start with why Hemp became illegal when it would of been so much more better in every way that it did not become illegal. Cause Hemp would of cost many corporations there businesses.

How Hemp Became Illegal: The Marijuana Link – Collective Evolution

That kind of system is not saving our world
 
HarperCons
#1128
Quote: Originally Posted by OmegaOm View Post

The ability or desire to innovate does not have to come from profit. In fact most engineers do it cause they enjoy it, and cant think of doing anything else. Science itself was made by people who cared only to discover something of nature. It is an illusion to think you need to make money to innovate.

Capitalism goal is to find a niche in the market to make a profit. Sure this can come from all the damage capitalism has already caused. But I think its best if we think ahead and not cause any damage to begin with.
Lets stop making useless products that break after a couple uses so you can buy more. This just wastes resources and pollutes our environment further.

Also the corporations that have lots of money prevent other businesses from getting a foot hold.
We can start with why Hemp became illegal when it would of been so much more better in every way that it did not become illegal. Cause Hemp would of cost many corporations there businesses.

How Hemp Became Illegal: The Marijuana Link – Collective Evolution

That kind of system is not saving our world

Good point.
 
Angstrom
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#1129
Quote: Originally Posted by HarperCons View Post

you have no knowledge to substantiate your nonsense opinions.

Based on you’re actions on the environment

What have the communist done other then talk about the environment? While capitalist are working on solutions.
 
HarperCons
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#1130
Working on solutions? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. There is no solution in Capitalism you ignorant ass clown.
 
OmegaOm
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#1131
Quote: Originally Posted by Angstrom View Post

Based on you’re actions on the environment

What have the communist done other then talk about the environment? While capitalist are working on solutions.

capitalists are not working on solutions for the environment. They are working on ways to make money that wont upset the people.

The environmental scientists are the ones who study nature and we should listen to them. Not the corporations.
 
Angstrom
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#1132
Quote: Originally Posted by HarperCons View Post

Working on solutions? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. There is no solution in Capitalism you ignorant ass clown.

Capitalism has been happening for billions of years and nature has always achieved perfect balance. You are the one who is mistaken

Capitalism is based on the natural laws of survival. What nature has done for millions of years
 
OmegaOm
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#1133
Quote: Originally Posted by Angstrom View Post

Based on you’re actions on the environment

What have the communist done other then talk about the environment? While capitalist are working on solutions.

Quote: Originally Posted by Angstrom View Post

Capitalism has been happening for billions of years and nature has always achieved perfect balance. You are the one who is mistaken

Capitalism is based on the natural laws of survival. What nature has done for millions of years

Capitalism, the economy is all man made. IT is not the real world. Man has made an artificial world. Go back pack in the deep woods for a week, and see the real world.

And while capitalism was good in the past, we had an empty Earth. It requires growth to succeed. Now that our planet is jam packed with growth from capitalism, there is nowhere for capitalism to go, but collapse on itself.
 
Angstrom
+1
#1134
Quote: Originally Posted by OmegaOm View Post

Capitalism, the economy is all man made. IT is not the real world. Man has made an artificial world. Go back pack in the deep woods for a week, and see the real world.

And while capitalism was good in the past. It requires growth to succeed. Now that our planet is jam packed with growth, there is nowhere for capitalism to go, but collapse on itself.

Its still all based on the natural laws of survival
 
OmegaOm
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#1135
Quote: Originally Posted by Angstrom View Post

Its still all based on the natural laws of survival

I wouldn't call it a natural law. Maybe one way of survival.

The Indians survived just fine before whiteman came here without it.
They would go hunt and fish all day, then come home to dinner and love from the wife.
Now we have to grind a 40 hr week doing the same boring stupid task until we retire old then die.
 
HarperCons
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#1136
Quote: Originally Posted by Angstrom View Post

Capitalism has been happening for billions of years and nature has always achieved perfect balance. You are the one who is mistaken

Capitalism is based on the natural laws of survival. What nature has done for millions of years

Wage labour, Classism, Racism, Imperialism, Suppression of one class (the working class) at the benefit of another class (the capitalist class), the rejecting of well-being of humanity and the environment for the profiteering of the few (capitalist class), these things have been happening for "billions of years?" .... lmao.
 
Angstrom
+1
#1137
Quote: Originally Posted by OmegaOm View Post

I wouldn't call it a natural law. Maybe one way of survival.

The Indians survived just fine before whiteman came here without it.
They would go hunt and fish all day, then come home to dinner and love from the wife.
Now we have to grind a 40 hr week doing the same boring stupid task until we retire old then die.

Life has been based on what could best survive for billions of years. The same with capitalism where the best produce wins
 
HarperCons
#1138
Capitalism is about 400 years old
 
OmegaOm
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#1139
Quote: Originally Posted by Angstrom View Post

Its still all based on the natural laws of survival

Quote: Originally Posted by Angstrom View Post

Life has been based on what could best survive for billions of years. The same with capitalism where the best produce wins

True. But 99% of life also goes extinct.
For example if a deer population goes unchecked because they are doing the best thing for there individual survival, all the food is eaten and they all die.

With capitalism, it is in the interest of the individual corporation to survive like the animal.
We have to be looking at solutions in which our whole planet survives.
Basically interested in the whole instead of the self.

WE have evolved intelligence that sets us apart from the animals.
So we instead of behaving like animals and just fight for whats left, we should use
our new evolved brains and think in terms of the whole planets well being, instead of ourselves. This way of thinking will help all of us in the end.
 
Angstrom
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#1140
Quote: Originally Posted by OmegaOm View Post

True. But 99% of life also goes extinct.
For example if a deer population goes unchecked because they are doing the best thing for there individual survival, all the food is eaten and they all die.

With capitalism, it is in the interest of the individual corporation to survive like the animal.
We have to be looking at solutions in which our whole planet survives.
Basically interested in the whole instead of the self.

WE have evolved intelligence that sets us apart from the animals.
So we instead of behaving like animals and just fight for whats left, we should use
our new evolved brains and think in terms of the whole planets well being, instead of ourselves. This way of thinking will help all of us in the end.

Life is not entitled to survive. It must earn its right to live by competition. Nature has been like that for. Billions of years and achieved perfect balance.

May the best win. And the losers die. That way we woudnt have over population destroying earth. Competition of capitalism is the same as nature

Its communism that aims to protect all from natural competition that is causing overpopulation and the destruction of earth
 

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