Muslims that take part in fighting overseas, with ISIL, Al Nusra and the rest, who co


Goober
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Muslims that take part in fighting overseas, with ISIL, Al Nusra and the rest, who commit crimes against humanity, what should the repercussions be when they return to Canada.

This would be after any criminal charges are laid and they have had their day in court.

Should they be subject to strict and lengthy up to life time parole conditions, even when found not guilty, but if they are deemed a terror threat.

If dual citizens, should they be deported?

What happens when the country they have citizenship in refuses to accept them. And they do.

What if they would be subjected to torture- The law is clear, Canada cannot deport.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/b-c-man-fa...174700764.html

2013 Public Report on the Terrorist Threat to Canada
 
gore0bsessed
#2
why would they return
 
Goober
#3
Quote: Originally Posted by gore0bsessed View Post

why would they return

Here is a link.

Dozens of British jihadis 'want to return home': Intermediary claims | Mail Online

British jihadis fighting in Syria want to come home after becoming disillusioned with the conflict, it emerged today.

In the last three years, more than 500 radicalised Britons are believed to have headed out to the war-torn country, where Islamist groups are fighting President Bashar Assad's forces.

But some of those who signed up to fight have now contacted authorities in Britain saying they have had enough of the war-zone and want to return home, it was reported today.
 
55Mercury
#4
oh, maybe they thought it would be a walk in the park!
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by 55Mercury View Post

oh, maybe they thought it would be a walk in the park!

Yeah the come to jesus, oops Allah moment comes in various way.
Shoot those prisoners. or strap this on and head that away,
or we have this special car all ready to goo.
Either way refusal, can be murderous.
 
taxslave
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#6
Pine box would be the best way for them to come home. Better yet considering their value to society just leave them where they drop.
 
lone wolf
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Plane stops halfway back and they get out and walk the rest of the way. If they get back, they're as holy as they thought
 
damngrumpy
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First if they are fighting for any group that we are against and supply arms too they should be
charged with treason and if found guilty under military law they should be shot in accordance
with military procedure those fighting for causes we are fighting against are not loyal to Canada
we should show them no mercy or rehabilitation they are enemies of Canada.
 
Goober
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy View Post

First if they are fighting for any group that we are against and supply arms too they should be
charged with treason and if found guilty under military law they should be shot in accordance
with military procedure those fighting for causes we are fighting against are not loyal to Canada
we should show them no mercy or rehabilitation they are enemies of Canada.

No death sentence, was dropped quite some time ago.
 
Nuggler
+4
#10
As they depart from the plane what brings em, and as they wave to their families and friends.

Shoot them. One by one.

Let their light burn dull, then, out..........on Canadian tarmac.

Dig a hole with a backhoe, push them in with a bulldozer, piss on the site, pour pigs blood over it.

A good Canadian welcome back.
 
55Mercury
+1
#11
yer cute when ya get all nuggly 'n sh!t
 
Nuggler
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Quote: Originally Posted by 55Mercury View Post

yer cute when ya get all nuggly 'n sh!t

you wanna buy em a Timmies and a donut ?
 
Cliffy
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#13
Take away their CIA benefits plan and let them eat at MacRaunchy's.
 
damngrumpy
#14
Military law does not go strictly by civilian law for treason it likely still exists.
Besides We should if necessary re institute the death penalty for treason
for first degree murder the murder of police officers for murder in the
commission of a violent crime and senior politicians who hold positions of
State.
Hmmm and I used to be against the death penalty. The only hold back in my
mind is ensuring with dna and other provisions the person is guilty. Once
guilt is established in the above cases get on with it you get one appeal and
that's it.
 
gopher
+2
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Technically, Canada was not harmed by their actions so that no court there would have the jurisdiction to prosecute. If any crime was committed it was done overseas and their prosecutors would have to gather evidence. How could a Canadian prosecutor do any of that since the crime and evidence are overseas?
 
Colpy
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Quote: Originally Posted by Goober View Post

Muslims that take part in fighting overseas, with ISIL, Al Nusra and the rest, who commit crimes against humanity, what should the repercussions be when they return to Canada.

This would be after any criminal charges are laid and they have had their day in court.

Should they be subject to strict and lengthy up to life time parole conditions, even when found not guilty, but if they are deemed a terror threat.

If dual citizens, should they be deported?

What happens when the country they have citizenship in refuses to accept them. And they do.

What if they would be subjected to torture- The law is clear, Canada cannot deport.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/b-c-man-fa...174700764.html

2013 Public Report on the Terrorist Threat to Canada

What SHOULD happen, were there justice in the world, is that they would be arrested, tried immediately for treason, and if found guilty, taken outside, and hanged from the nearest tree.

But that would require three things:

1. We declare war on the Islamic State, as they have declared war on us. Let's go medieval on them.

2. We appoint some sensible judges to the SCOC

3. We change the law on violent acts of treason to make the maximum penalty immediate execution.
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by gopher View Post

Technically, Canada was not harmed by their actions so that no court there would have the jurisdiction to prosecute. If any crime was committed it was done overseas and their prosecutors would have to gather evidence. How could a Canadian prosecutor do any of that since the crime and evidence are overseas?

Canada has numerous treaties in place that can see the perpetrators of a crime returned to the jurisdiction in which they committed (or allegedly committed) a crime.

Any nation can easily make these wannabe GI Joe's think twice about going on a shootem-up vacation if they simply grab them, put them on a plane and ship them back to where they will have to deal with the consequences.

... And yes, I understand that there will be all kinds of lawsuits, but let them fight those suits from Syria or Iraq whilst they answer for their killing sprees in those nations
 
BaalsTears
#18
Turn them into double agents.
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by BaalsTears View Post

Turn them into double agents.


Actually, that is a great idea.

My thoughts are more along the lines of allowimg that knowledge to get passed along to their terrorist buddies (all accidental like) and let ISIS et al administer the justice at the point of a rifle.

.... Maybe we might get access to a public beheading of a 'traitorous foreigner' via youtube to boot
 
Serryah
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#20
If they wanted so badly to go over and fight for them, they can stay there.

No take backs, no coming back to Canada, no help from our political leaders or embassy; they're on their own.

They made their choice to go over and fight for the monsters, they can deal with the results of said stupidity.
 
gopher
+1
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

Canada has numerous treaties in place that can see the perpetrators of a crime returned to the jurisdiction in which they committed (or allegedly committed) a crime.

Any nation can easily make these wannabe GI Joe's think twice about going on a shootem-up vacation if they simply grab them, put them on a plane and ship them back to where they will have to deal with the consequences.

... And yes, I understand that there will be all kinds of lawsuits, but let them fight those suits from Syria or Iraq whilst they answer for their killing sprees in those nations



Exactly. The foreign state would first have to gather any evidence so that probable cause can be established, then it has to submit it to Canada which, in turn, would have to determine that the suspect should be detained and returned to that foreign country for trial. That is very difficult to do especially since these characters wear masks and facial garb when in combat situations. A good lawyer would have an easy time making a case for why someone should not be exiled under those circumstances.
 
Colpy
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

Canada has numerous treaties in place that can see the perpetrators of a crime returned to the jurisdiction in which they committed (or allegedly committed) a crime.

Any nation can easily make these wannabe GI Joe's think twice about going on a shootem-up vacation if they simply grab them, put them on a plane and ship them back to where they will have to deal with the consequences.

... And yes, I understand that there will be all kinds of lawsuits, but let them fight those suits from Syria or Iraq whilst they answer for their killing sprees in those nations

That would be nice.

Unfortunately, the idiots on the SCOC have ruled you can not send anyone back to anyplace where someone might speak rudely to them, no matter what they have done.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by gopher View Post

Exactly. The foreign state would first have to gather any evidence so that probable cause can be established, then it has to submit it to Canada which, in turn, would have to determine that the suspect should be detained and returned to that foreign country for trial. That is very difficult to do especially since these characters wear masks and facial garb when in combat situations. A good lawyer would have an easy time making a case for why someone should not be exiled under those circumstances.

Selfies. The Millenials can't take enough selfies and are stupid enough to keep them on their gadgets. People are getting their asses busted left right and center in this digital cage world we live in. North Americans are incriminating themselves in everything from smoking weed to paedophilia to pissing in the subway to trashing your neighbourgs flowers. What would make Muzzie militant Millenials any different? Kids ain't bright the world over.
 
Zipperfish
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Quote: Originally Posted by gore0bsessed View Post

why would they return

I suppose right around the time they realize that the reality does not match the ISIS propaganda videos or their dream of what an Islamic state should look like When they realize that they left a peaceful prosperous country to go live in a hellhole. When the scattered opposition starts to coalesce and push back, and proves just as barberous as ISIS is.



Unfortunately , if they are Canadian citizens we have to let them back in. Also, unfortuantely, extradition to Syria oir Iraq is unlikely to pass the Supreme Court muster. They need to be interrogated and then jailed for a long, long time.

Quote: Originally Posted by gopher View Post

Technically, Canada was not harmed by their actions so that no court there would have the jurisdiction to prosecute. If any crime was committed it was done overseas and their prosecutors would have to gather evidence. How could a Canadian prosecutor do any of that since the crime and evidence are overseas?

In Canada, it is a crime to leave the country for the purposes of engaging in a terrorist activity. That's a much lower burden for teh crown to prove. Also, folowing 9/11 there are laws allowing for pre-emptive detainment for extended periods of time.

Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

That would be nice.

Unfortunately, the idiots on the SCOC have ruled you can not send anyone back to anyplace where someone might speak rudely to them, no matter what they have done.

That's not just the SCOC, that's well held up in internaional law. Stateless citizens are a hassle for everyone.
 
gopher
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Selfies. The Millenials can't take enough selfies and are stupid enough to keep them on their gadgets. People are getting their asses busted left right and center in this digital cage world we live in. North Americans are incriminating themselves in everything from smoking weed to paedophilia to pissing in the subway to trashing your neighbourgs flowers. What would make Muzzie militant Millenials any different? Kids ain't bright the world over.


Assuming it is true that some have taken selfies, that only shows their presence there. It does not prove they engaged in illegal activity. Evidence still has to be presented that they committed a crime or where accessories in any way. The burden of proof remains with the prosecution.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by gopher View Post

Assuming it is true that some have taken selfies, that only shows their presence there. It does not prove they engaged in illegal activity. Evidence still has to be presented that they committed a crime or where accessories in any way. The burden of proof remains with the prosecution.

All you need is to prove association.
 
Nuggler
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#27
So the idea of shooting them is not too much of a stretch.

IF some of these camel fukkers blew up a Christian church in Canada, what would we do.?

Justifying murdering women and children,.........and men because of a difference of religion is just wrong,.
Preaching it is wrong
Stoning women for talking to a stranger is wrong

Putting a contract out on a guy who writes a book is wrong

We in Canada may not be so PC accommodating when the feces hit the fan here. Even if Stevo loses some votes.
 
gopher
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

All you need is to prove association.


Careful - that could possibly make John McCain vulnerable to prosecution.
 
Corduroy
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The new citizenship act creates another kind of citizen, like a, ya know, second form or level... what's the word? Well anyway, the law allows the federal government to strip this new kind of citizen of citizenship if convicted of treason or terrorism, and provided they have other citizenship.

Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

What SHOULD happen, were there justice in the world, is that they would be arrested, tried immediately for treason, and if found guilty, taken outside, and hanged from the nearest tree.

Maybe not the nearest tree. You're going to have check with the city before you do anything to that tree. Have a city arborist come out, inspect the tree, make sure it's strong enough to support the convicted terrorist. We wouldn't want the branch to snap and the terrorist to hurt himself during execution.
 
Zipperfish
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Quote:

When the scattered opposition starts to coalesce and push back, and proves
just as barberous as ISIS is.

Just noticed this typo. To be clear: barberous is cutting off people's hair. Barbarous is cutting off people's heads.

Quote: Originally Posted by Corduroy View Post

The new citizenship act creates another kind of citizen, like a, ya know, second form or level... what's the word? Well anyway, the law allows the federal government to strip this new kind of citizen of citizenship if convicted of treason or terrorism, and provided they have other citizenship.



Maybe not the nearest tree. You're going to have check with the city before you do anything to that tree. Have a city arborist come out, inspect the tree, make sure it's strong enough to support the convicted terrorist. We wouldn't want the branch to snap and the terrorist to hurt himself during execution.

Also, the tree may be a species at risk. You have to think of the environemnt.