Ford government admits they can't do what they promised


Gilgamesh
+1
#241
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Where are teachers getting fired?

They are NOT. Normal attrition due to retirement, leaving the profession,etc. amounts to a larger number than Ford is cutting.

So, as usual, critics esp. the teachers union & the NDippers are lying.
 
spilledthebeer
#242
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Probably. They used to overbuild things 40 years ago ,(myself included) but time, experience and competition has taught (some of us) how to be more efficient. CAD has improved Engineering immensely.




Over building things the Curious Comrade raves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Oh yes..........................I especially enjoy enjoy the modern designs of basic electronics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!


Such as the removal of the fireproof shield under your electric kettle that prevented your kitchen counter from catching on fire if the kettle shorted out ...........................because the shield was deemed an UN-NECESSARY EXPENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And I am equally impressed with the decision not to bother forcing electronics manufacturers to use FIRE RESISTANT plastic in electrical cords in order to reduce the chances of the insulation melting and exposing people to electric shocks in the event of a short circuit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And I have been especially impressed by how big a fire you can start simply by being absent minded and over charging a small Lithium battery!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


CHEAP consumer goods are light on the wallet..................................


its just to bad about the fire damage to residences!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!
 
Hoid
#243
Quote: Originally Posted by Gilgamesh View Post

They are NOT. Normal attrition due to retirement, leaving the profession,etc. amounts to a larger number than Ford is cutting.

So, as usual, critics esp. the teachers union & the NDippers are lying.

It isn't normal attrition it is eliminating the position as people age out of the system. That is not normal attrition.

They are claiming that declining enrollment will keep class sizes from getting too large but they are, of course, lying.

Once again the rightie government of the day will deliver fewer and worse services.
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#244
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

It isn't normal attrition it is eliminating the position as people age out of the system. That is not normal attrition.

They are claiming that declining enrollment will keep class sizes from getting too large but they are, of course, lying.

Once again the rightie government of the day will deliver fewer and worse services.

Good . Hope you are enjoying the decline . Does it keep you up at night with worry ?
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
#245
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#246
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Don’t you live in B.C. ? Why does Doug Ford and Ontario frighten you so ?
 
VIBC
No Party Affiliation
#247
Quote: Originally Posted by Danbones View Post

Basic income doesn’t work, Antwerp research suggests
http://www.flanderstoday.eu/basic-in...earch-suggests
Why Finland’s Basic Income Experiment Isn’t Working
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/20/o...ic-income.html
But the fliebarrels want to keep

I read the articles cited. Here's some of what I noticed.


"Basic income doesn’t work, Antwerp research suggests. (Headline) Note - suggests.

The research ..... " simulated the introduction of a monthly basic income"

.... "discussion is still largely theoretical, though, because universal basic income hasn’t been rigorously tested."

"In reality, the Finnish trial was poorly designed, and is little more than a publicity stunt.

The trial size was cut to one-fifth of what had originally been proposed, and is now too small to be scientifically viable. Instead of giving free money to everyone, the experiment is handing out, in effect, a form of unconditional unemployment benefits. In other words, there is nothing universal about this version of universal basic income.

And so even when the experiment’s official results are known, in 2019, they will reveal little — and far less than they could have — about the effects that universal cash payments could have on income inequality or people’s attitudes toward work and their quality of life."
 
Walter
#248
People always appreciate getting something for nothing. It builds character.
 
pgs
Free Thinker
+1
#249
Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

People always appreciate getting something for nothing. It builds character.

Yes it has worked very well for our aboriginal brothers .
 
Hoid
#250
Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

People always appreciate getting something for nothing. It builds character.

All it cost them was everything.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#251
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Yes it has worked very well for our aboriginal brothers .

Pigs liked it when he hoovered up all those Comp claims.
 
spilledthebeer
#252
Quote: Originally Posted by Gilgamesh View Post

They are NOT. Normal attrition due to retirement, leaving the profession,etc. amounts to a larger number than Ford is cutting.

So, as usual, critics esp. the teachers union & the NDippers are lying.




FORD IS RIGHT when he says the protesting kids are PAWNS of teacher unions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


One employed Cdn in three works for one of our 4 levels of govt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And that translates into a whole lot of kids who are angry with Ford govt simplyn because he will be FREEZING HOG WAGES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Fair play and economic logic DO NOT enter into the play book of teachers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The average income in Ontari-owe is $55 grand per year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yet the average teacher salary is $90 grand per year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Nice pay if you can get it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !


And of course teachers have LESS RESPONSIBILITY for their job results than ordinary Cdns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Teachers shrug and ignore parents who complain their kids cannot do basic math or spelling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yet if your brand new roof leaks..............................or your new car breaks down we DO have EFFECTIVE WAYS to register a complaint!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


We HAVE REGISTERED our complaint with LIE-beral policy and with LIE-beral educational results!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


By ELECTING DOUG FORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Its just too bad the HOGS feel entitled to reject our complaints!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
spilledthebeer
#253
Quote: Originally Posted by VIBC View Post

I read the articles cited. Here's some of what I noticed.


"Basic income doesn’t work, Antwerp research suggests. (Headline) Note - suggests.

The research ..... " simulated the introduction of a monthly basic income"

.... "discussion is still largely theoretical, though, because universal basic income hasn’t been rigorously tested."

"In reality, the Finnish trial was poorly designed, and is little more than a publicity stunt.

The trial size was cut to one-fifth of what had originally been proposed, and is now too small to be scientifically viable. Instead of giving free money to everyone, the experiment is handing out, in effect, a form of unconditional unemployment benefits. In other words, there is nothing universal about this version of universal basic income.

And so even when the experiment’s official results are known, in 2019, they will reveal little — and far less than they could have — about the effects that universal cash payments could have on income inequality or people’s attitudes toward work and their quality of life."


POOR STUPID LIE-BERALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!


Desperately trying to HIDE their multiple FAILURES!!!!!!!!!!!



There IS FACTUAL EVIDENCE from Finland regarding the COSTLY FAILURE that is guaranteed income" experiment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






Here is an article with some interesting truths- that LIE-berals will HATE! With some comments of my own in brackets):

Fantasies won't fix Ontario’s broken welfare system

From Postmedia News. Published: August 11, 2018. Updated: August 11, 2018 5:57 PM EDT

Filed Under: Toronto SUN/ Opinion/ Editorials

Ontario’s Conservative government is “winding down” the basic income pilot project put into place by the former Liberal government.

Launched in 2017, the program was slated to run for three years and paid some 4,000 low-income Ontarians up to $16,989 a year, $24,027 for couples. The only string was a 50% clawback on additional earned income.

Social Services Minister Lisa MacLeod argued giving away money “with no strings attached” fails to help people break the cycle of poverty, re-enter the workforce or get their lives back on track.

(Indeed! There is ample evidence that high taxes that are beloved by LIE-berals are job killers! Otherwise why do they offer up tax breaks to the likes of |Hollywood North and our auto makers in order to save jobs? LIE-berals JUST LOVE making those dirty back room deals that favour one group over another!)

“We need to do more than just help people remain mired in poverty,” MacLeod said in a press release that also announced plans to increase social assistance payments by 3% and within 100 days “to develop and announce a sustainable Social Assistance program that focuses on helping people lift themselves out of poverty.”

Are the Tories on the right track?

(I suggest that NO govt has the ability to create good jobs for us! But Conservatives do understand that big govt and high taxes and killer debt loads ARE the main obstacles to creating more and better jobs here!)

One key attraction of income support programs is they potential to dramatically reduce bureaucracy and red tape. Paying the poor directly theoretically means fewer government workers.

(And just what is the difference between govt workers cutting welfare cheques and govt workers cutting guaranteed income cheques? The LIE-beral semantics of just how red tape can be cut by moving it from one office to another are lost on ordinary people I guess!)

However, you can’t have both a thriving poverty bureaucracy and a robust income support program without endless deficits and unsustainable debt.

That’s what the Finns discovered.

(And our LIE-berals also know that they cannot be elected without first handing out loads of gravy to civil service union Hogs and now that we have hit the debt wall and our borrowing is limited- Hogs are getting restless- and moving their support to NDP instead of suddenly stingy LIE-berals!)

Finland was widely lauded following the highly publicized launch of their own universal basic income experiment in 2017.

The Finns, among the most politically progressive people in the world, are now cancelling the program they thought would save them money.

That’s after finding they’d need to hike taxes almost 30% to support it and discovering it would increase both income inequality and the poverty rate in Finland.

Income support programs ignore inconvenient truths about actual people.

(This is the routine cause of ALL socialist policy failures! It simply ignores social and political reality! But socialism makes LIE-berals look good until the money runs out- Margaret Thatcher said it best when she pointed out: “the trouble with LIE-berals is they always run out of other peoples money”! )

When the NDP recently protested the cancellation of Ontario’s program, they trotted out one recipient who quit a job at a bank he didn’t like to join the program.

Despite an economics degree, he reported being happier getting free money and trading marketing services for free “yoga, float-therapy, psychotherapy sessions, voice-acting lessons, breath-work classes.”

Whether society ought to support welfare as a way of life for those who can earn their own living is debatable. The current Conservative government believes taxpayers should not.

The causes of poverty are rooted in complex individual and societal issues.

They include in Ontario a dysfunctional social housing system, the need for jobs, the reality of mental health and drug and alcohol addictions among some hard-to-serve recipients on assistance and a host of other issues.

What’s clear is we can’t address poverty with simplistic fantasies.

Cancelling Ontario’s futile basic income experiment was the right call.

(I suggest that another reason for poverty in Ontari-owe- in addition to the gravy grabbing tax mad antics of civil service union Hogs and vote buying LIE-berals- is the high number of unsuitable LIE-beral selected immigrants coming to Canada! It is tough enough these days getting along if you are fluent in one of our national languages and have good education- but it gets vastly harder to function if you cannot even communicate effectively and lack educational credentials! The market for pizza makers and taxi drivers and lawn care workers is already saturated! But of course LIE-berals expect to buy the most support from the ranks of those who are least able to function in Canada so the illegals are allowed to keep coming!)
 
Hoid
#254
Ford will cut 3,500 teaching position and improve education!

What next?

Cut the police by 3,500 and make everyone safer?

Cut 3,500 nurses and improve everyone's' healthcare?

Ford's plan seems to be get everyone drunk and maybe nobody will notice what an idiot he is.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
+1 / -1
#255
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Ford will cut 3,500 teaching position and improve education!

What next?

Cut the police by 3,500 and make everyone safer?

Cut 3,500 nurses and improve everyone's' healthcare?

Ford's plan seems to be get everyone drunk and maybe nobody will notice what an idiot he is.


Schools are only one venue for providing education and probably third or fourth on the list of effective providers. Hard Knocks is # 1.
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
+1
#256
Especially for boxers and archers
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
#257
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Ford will cut 3,500 teaching position and improve education!
What next?
Cut the police by 3,500 and make everyone safer?
Cut 3,500 nurses and improve everyone's' healthcare?
Ford's plan seems to be get everyone drunk and maybe nobody will notice what an idiot he is.

After making a living ( and paying for an early retirement) solving problems which EXPENSIVE university graduates couldn't, I would have to agree with Ford.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#258
Ontario PCs want to make it much harder to sue the government

Bennett Calls Ford’s Indigenous Affairs Budget Cut A 'Huge Step Backward'
 
Hoid
#259
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Schools are only one venue for providing education and probably third or fourth on the list of effective providers. Hard Knocks is # 1.

You have managed to get by without it.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
+1 / -1
#260
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

You have managed to get by without it.


THAT is what is known as resourcefulness!
 
Hoid
#261
If only the young people today had half of yours!
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
+1 / -1
#262
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

If only the young people today had half of yours!


I'm one of the young people!
 
Hoid
#263
You could not be any less of one.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
-1
#264
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

You could not be any less of one.


What are you talking about?
 
spilledthebeer
#265
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Ford will cut 3,500 teaching position and improve education!

What next?

Cut the police by 3,500 and make everyone safer?

Cut 3,500 nurses and improve everyone's' healthcare?

Ford's plan seems to be get everyone drunk and maybe nobody will notice what an idiot he is.






POOR befuddled HOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


He actually THINKS he is smarter than Doug Ford!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


HAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!


IMAGINE SUCH A THING AS THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!






Isnt it ODD that LIE-berals and civil service union HOGS think it is unfair of Ford govt to print up stickers explaining how big a tax gouge the LIE-beral carbon crap and trade scam is adding to the price of fuel at the pump!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And yet the Hogs saw nothing wrong with Wynne-bag LIE-berals FORCING local hydro utility companies to ADD partisan LIE-beral propaganda to the bills the electricity companies send us each month!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LIE-berals and civil service union HOGS are whining that the Ford 2019 budget is leaving health care short by billions of dollars! They whine that Ford budgeting is not keeping up with inflation, not keeping up with the growing population and not keeping up with the needs of the aging population!

Is it no odd that it took LIE-berals 15 years and 3 terms as govt to double our Ontari-owe debt and then create that $16 billion dollar deficit.....................and yet now they are sneering at Ford for requiring 4 years to restore Ontari-owe finances to some semblance of order?????????????????

Native groups say the Ford budget is depriving them of needed funds??

One must ask just how many social workers and spin doctors they THINK they need????????????????

Gosh! Considering how loudly municipal mayors are screming for new funding - Maybe the people who claim WE CANNOT AFFORD to tend to the swarms of illegals coming here seeking our charity DO HAVE A POINT?

WE can save a LOT of money by refusing to tend to these cynical trespassers who have decided that Canada is the sucker nation of the world!!!!!!!!

And in this day and age- inflation is driven by LIE-beral and civil service Hog greed! WE PAY ENDLESSLY more for their endless list of entitlements!!!!!!!

If we freeze HOG wages then we FREEZE the mechanism that is DRIVING INFLATION!!!!!!!!!

AS for the cost of tending to an aging population- again we are facing HOG DRIVEN CHOICES!!!!

Canadians pay the highest aggregate total of taxes in the world! LIE-berals love to cherry pick through the lists and single out individual taxes that are lower than other places- but they are just offering Fake News to hide their GREED!

There would be MORE cash for sick Cdns if there was LESS cash for certain GREEDY CDNS!!!!!!!!!!!!

No LIE-beral has ever explained why the HOG collecting your $100 water bill should be paid one third MORE than the cashier ringing up your $150 grocery bill!!

In addition there would be more cash available to treat sick people if LIE-berals had not run up such huge debts while BUYING HOG VOTES!!!!!!!!!

It is those IMMENSE DEBTS that are sucking up 25 percent of all our tax revenue EVERY YEAR - just to pay the interest charges!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Civil service union Hogs in Toronto the APTLY NAMED HOG TOWN - have whined that Fords first budget offers nothing for Toronto!

Why should Ford offer MORE to Hogs who already get proportionately TEN TIMES MORE than any other municipality?????????????????

Toronto mayor Jackass John Tory is whining that he did not get an expected billion dollars in new gas tax revenue?????

Why should tax payers from ACROSS Ontari-owe PAY for deliberate civil service NEGLECT of TTC over many decades???????

Especially when federal LIE-berals are kicking back OUR tax money specially for TTC repairs- so Toronto will be able to save more of its own gravy????????

Do Toronto Hogs expect the rest of Canada to pay for everything they want- from TTC to Affordable housing ad infinitum??????

What is the true scale of Toronto Hog entitlements?????????????

Especially when the Hogs have taken so many huge gobs of gravy for their own gross pensions and entitlements???????????????????

Toronto District School Board is whining the Ford budget will leave TDSB SHORT by $28 million dollars!

I guess $28 million is the difference between the amount of gravy Trustee Hogs want to spend this summer on gravy for teachers and the amount Ford is allowing them to spend???????????

The new Ford budget actually INCREASES the amount of spending on education by 1.3 percent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sadly school trustees make it CLEAR they feel Ford is starving them of gravy and thus they will have to make choices between repairing schools and cutting services or short changing teacher Hogs on gravy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And we KNOW that teacher Hogs NEVER GO SHORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How sad that the reason our schools are so ramshackle is specifically because Hog teachers grabbed ALL the gravy- for many decades while schools rotted!!!!!!!!!!

Toronto Red Star media whores who always sell out to LIE-berals - claim Ford LIED when he said he could find efficiencies in the Ontari-owe budget!!!!!!!!!

I say HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That Ford statement was made BEFORE it was discovered that the original LIE-beral deficit of “ONLY” a few billion was ACTUALLY SIXTEEN BILLION!!!!!!!!!!!!

LIE-beeral budget LIES were repeatedly exposed through out the campaign!!!!!!!

A LIE-beral budget that is actually 300 percent HIGHER than the LIARS originally claimed will cause endless PROBLEMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Hoid
#266
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...-pcs-1.5097205

Conservatives are busy little beavers. What happened in Walkerton was a good lesson for the white nattys.

With great power comes no responsibility.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#267
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

I'm one of the young people!

Some of us get steadily younger as we get older.

Do you have teddy bear again, yet?
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#268
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...-pcs-1.5097205

Conservatives are busy little beavers. What happened in Walkerton was a good lesson for the white nattys.

With great power comes no responsibility.

I notice the CBC is allowing comments on this article .
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
-1
#269
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Some of us get steadily younger as we get older.

Do you have teddy bear again, yet?


It's got a lot to do with physical activity, mental stimulation and occasional human contacts and an interest in what is happening locally and in the world. Teddy bears are alright for misanthropes!
 
spilledthebeer
#270
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...-pcs-1.5097205

Conservatives are busy little beavers. What happened in Walkerton was a good lesson for the white nattys.

With great power comes no responsibility.


Oh what a fine LIE-beral manure spreader you are HOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You prove that civil service union Hogs CAN NEVER be trusted by the public!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!


Your refusal to acknowledge the drunken idiocy of Walkerton Hog Stan Kabel and his critical part in the disaster proves you have the sort of value system that a NAZI would respect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And you do not even consider the fact that Walkerton town council HIRED KABEL............................even though they KNEW he was unlicensed and therefore UNQUALIFIED to handle the drinking water job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Adolf Hitler would be proud of that HOID / HOG reasoning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



On the plus side -your sordid defense of Kabel is proving to the public how little trust we should have in LIE-beral politicians!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!