Gun Control is Completely Useless.


Colpy
Conservative
#631
Quote: Originally Posted by Unforgiven View Post

I get it, it's your actions that are responsible for part of our problem. And a good portion of your own as well. Over a hobby it's stupid to allow it.

Yep. The Americans fought off British troops when they marched into the countryside to seize their golf clubs in the first battle of the American Revolution.........later the American people used these clubs in a successful attempt to rid the Thirteen Colonies of their colonial masters.

Do you have the slightest concept of how lacking in understanding of the basic concepts of political freedom you are????

Cheap accessible firearms and modern democracy are parallel developments.....
 
Colpy
Conservative
#632
Quote: Originally Posted by Unforgiven View Post

Yet no arms in Court, none on a plane, aren't American rights being violated Colpy? No guns allowed in jail, why in many places in the US you have to get special permission to have a gun with you.

Not quite what Jefferson meant when he said that is it?

No one attending the House is armed. No one who visits the White House is armed. In a number of high schools they check to make sure you don't carry a gun. Why is it that with all these clearly open violations of what you seem to think the Second Amendment means is violated each and every day, apparently to no one's imposition, and yet none of the gun owning second amendment thumping brethren in the NRA or yours are up in "arms" about it?

It's simple Colpy. Not a single one of you would no matter how pressed, stand up for the principles these founding fathers had and valued. Not a single one.
You and I both know that the government could say tomorrow that there are no more guns allowed and when the police or military came to your house you would not risk a hair in stopping them from taking each and every gun you owned from you.

So piss off with the rhetoric and get on board. It's time to stop those who are putting guns into the hands of criminals. It's time to stop the trafficking of guns to gangsters and madmen. It's time to close the gun show loophole and end undocumented private sales in the US.

Criminals surrender rights, as I pointed out before, when they are convicted.

Many of the things you list otherwise are CLEAR violations of the Second Amendment.....including any attempt to restrict private sales.

Only people like yourself are willing to throw out the Bill of Rights for some obsessive need to be coddled by their government........if you were honest, you would admit the ONLY valid and reputable method of restricting firearms in the USA is to amend the Bill of Rights.....which is, at this point in time, impossible.

So give it up. Your campaign is despicable, a back-door attempt to scuttle the peoples' rights..... as another of those monstrous, gun-loving, idiot Americans so clearly said....
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
---Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.
Right on, Ben!

I don't have to stand in the way of the police and get killed to defend my right to keep arms.....all I have to do is what huge numbers of Canadians have done already.....make damned sure the gov't doesn't know where all the weapons are.
 
AnnaG
#633
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

Just finished a call to the registration center, seems like changes had been made since the last time I had logged in in 2001.....I'm happy to say that I confirmed over the phone, that their records match mine...

That's cool. Rare, but cool.
 
AnnaG
#634
Quote: Originally Posted by Unforgiven View Post

Yet no arms in Court, none on a plane, aren't American rights being violated Colpy? No guns allowed in jail, why in many places in the US you have to get special permission to have a gun with you.

Not quite what Jefferson meant when he said that is it?

It's pretty evident that he was inferring Joe Average, not Fred Nefarious. Criminals give up their rights when they act against the law. It isn't a tough concept. Private people sell firearms to each other without due process and they criminalise themselves. Also, not a tough concept. The difference in Canada is that most people followed the rules and yet the gov't basically turned them into criminals just be legislation. Good people follow the rules unless the rules are inane or insane.
 
AnnaG
#635
Quote: Originally Posted by Unforgiven View Post

I get it, it's your actions that are responsible for part of our problem. And a good portion of your own as well. Over a hobby it's stupid to allow it.

Some people make a living doing that "hobby". So I guess building vehicles and furniture are "hobbies", too.
 
AnnaG
#636
Quote: Originally Posted by Unforgiven View Post

Please.

You're actions cause problems in other countries. America seems to have a long hisotry of this sort of thing. But that's not the point here, the gun show loophole has to be closed. No longer can Americans sell guns to anyone who wants them no questions asked.

Then no longer can Canadians go get firearms from Americans illegally. It's a two-way street. Keep Canadians from buying illegally and keep Americans from selling illegally.
 
Unforgiven
#637
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

And just remember .......................

No it's the guns my friend.
 
Unforgiven
#638
Quote: Originally Posted by ironsides View Post

We have nothing to resolve. You still do not get it, it is not our problem it is yours.

Fastest Shot in the world

Kim Komando’s Video of the Day » Blog Archive » Fastest shot in the world

Then you won't have a problem with how it's resolved. I should expect a peep out of you whine wise when it's established and evoked.
 
DaSleeper
#639
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

And just remember .......................

Quote: Originally Posted by Unforgiven View Post

No it's the guns my friend.

I wouldn't go hunting with him mate.....would you???
 
AnnaG
#640
Quote: Originally Posted by Unforgiven View Post

No it's the guns my friend.

If you want to nitpick, then no, it isn't. It's the trauma that happens when a projectile strikes and does damage.
 
AnnaG
#641
Boy that Bob Mundan sure assumes a lot. I wonder if he and Pompass are related. One is very fast with a gun loaded with pepper shot and the other is fast with a mouth loaded with bull shot. lmao
 
ironsides
No Party Affiliation
#642
Quote: Originally Posted by Unforgiven View Post

Please.

You're actions cause problems in other countries. America seems to have a long hisotry of this sort of thing. But that's not the point here, the gun show loophole has to be closed. No longer can Americans sell guns to anyone who wants them no questions asked.

That you don't want to be part of the solution, you're only one more fool to brush aside while the changes that need to be made are put into place. Thank goodness that a real president has been elected and we can finally get some control over the idiots that can't control themselves.

Now you will have to be an actual law abiding peaceful gun owner to enjoy the hobby instead of a sociopathic gun trafficking scumbag that profits off the pain and suffering of others.


First of all there is a Federal check called the "The Brady Handgun Control Act"

The Brady Handgun Control Act (complete text) - U.S. Government Info/Resources

Supersedes any State laws or restrictions, and does create a paper trail at Federal level.

"Brady Act" Defined


Legal Community Against Violence
Legal Community Against Violence


You seem to have the "sociopath gun trafficking" dimwits who knowingly go out and purchase illegal weapons.
 
Colpy
Conservative
#643
Warden Message: Kingston, Jamaica Increased Gun Violence
Consular Affairs Bulletins

Americas - Jamaica
11 Sep 2009


U.S. Embassy Kingston issued the following Warden Message on September 11:

The U.S. Embassy in Kingston is issuing this Warden Message to alert U.S. citizens in Jamaica to precautions they should take if they encounter gunfire, and to provide security information about rumors of tensions in the Tivoli Gardens neighborhood in Kingston. The Embassy also reminds U.S. citizens of the crime information provided in the State Department’s Country Specific Information for Jamaica.
Over the past week, gunshots have been reported in the Manor Park area of New Kingston. Although the Jamaica Constabulary Force has not confirmed these alleged shootings, gunfire is frequently heard around Kingston. If you hear gunfire or are caught in the middle of gunfire:
Always be aware of your surroundings. Seek immediate cover.
Whenever possible, carry a cell phone with up-to- date contact information for emergencies.
When gunfire or explosions are heard, immediately move to a safe area with good cover. For example look for something substantial to hide behind (large trees, vehicles, concrete barriers); seek cover in a room made of solid construction (e.g. concrete, steel, etc.); stay away from doors and windows; and do not venture out to observe.
Immediately convey the sense of danger/threat to those around you.
If possible, report to the police what you are observing.
If you encounter gunfire when in a vehicle, immediately leave the area if safe to do so. Do not attempt to drive through an area affected by gunfire or explosions. If you are in a safe area, remain there until it is safe to move.
The U.S. Embassy also reminds its employees and family members to remain vigilant regarding rumors circulating within the community concerning tensions in and around the Tivoli Gardens neighborhood in Kingston. The Embassy is not aware of any threats to any of its employees or their family members, or American-owned facilities or U.S. citizens. The last time the police had to take action in Tivoli Gardens, 27 people were killed including one police officer.
Americans traveling abroad should regularly monitor the U.S. Embassy’s website at http://kingston.usembassy.gov and the U.S. Department of State's travel website at www.travel.state.gov , where the current Worldwide Caution, Travel Warnings, and Travel Alerts can be found. The U.S. Embassy also encourages U.S. citizens to review "A Safe Trip Abroad," found at http://travel.state.gov/travel/tips/saf ... _1747.html , which includes valuable security information for living and/or traveling abroad. In addition to information on the Internet, travelers may obtain up-to-date information on security conditions by calling 1-888-407-4747 toll-free in the U.S. and Canada, or outside the U.S. and Canada on a regular toll line at 1-202-501-4444.

Citizens living and residing in Jamaica or the Cayman Islands are advised to register their presence in the country through the U.S. Department of State's automated online registration system, https://travelregistration.state.gov . U.S. citizens may also register by visiting the Consular Section at the U.S. Embassy or our consular agencies in Montego Bay and Georgetown, Cayman Islands, during business hours.
Emergencies involving American citizens can be reported by contacting the American Citizens Services (ACS) Unit of the U.S. Embassy’s Consular Section, located at 142 Old Hope Road in the Liguanea area of Kingston, telephone (876) 702-6450; after hours emergency telephone (876) 702-6000; Consular Section fax (876) 702-6018; and e-mail at KingstonACS@state.gov . The U.S. Consular Agency in Montego Bay is located at St. James Place, Second Floor, Gloucester Avenue, telephone (876) 952-0160. The U.S. Consular Agency in the Cayman Islands is located at 118 Dorcy Drive, Suite B-1, Georgetown, Grand Cayman, telephone (345) 945-8173.
 
turubawebmaster
#644
Depends what guns, certainly not automatic machine guns should civilians have... i live in a rural area and i find gun control useless to a point... i go to the states a lot and all ther times ive been i never encountered any gun crime... Toronto and all urban areas all have those type of crimes even if you have gun control, theres still gonna be gun smuggling and guns in the cities... I think most people in rural areas abide the law
 
bobnoorduyn
Free Thinker
#645
I recieved and interesting e-mail with this link, I can't find the video by itself so it it is accompanied by advertising, for this I apologise. I have on interest or affiliation with the company posting the blog.

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ironsides
No Party Affiliation
#646
Try following it thru, it will cost you money.
 
bobnoorduyn
Free Thinker
#647
Oops! I meant to say I have no vested interest or affiliation with this company. Just a bit of sydlexia.
 
Liberalman
Free Thinker
#648
Gun control works and the Conservatives are wrong for trying to get rid of it
 
ironsides
No Party Affiliation
#649
Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman View Post

Gun control works and the Conservatives are wrong for trying to get rid of it


Ok, Why?
 
bobnoorduyn
Free Thinker
#650
I recieved another e-mail that was rather enlightening, and provides a bit more ammunition, so to speak, against the registry. Seems Ekos Research is conducting a poll of firearms owners using contact information garnered from the CFC's database, hmmm. Much of the information asked for is already in this database. It is apparently an attempt by bureacrats to justify the registry, particularly with the second reading of Bill C-391 due this month. The federal government knew nothing about this poll and has launched an investigation. The Canadian Shooting Sports Accociation is advising all firearms owners to not participate in this poll, and is exploring the possibility of persuing criminal charges relating to the release of confidential information byt the CFC.

There is no justification in a free country for having to let other people know what law abiding citizens have in their own homes. Privacy is a major cornerstone of liberty.
 
Liberalman
Free Thinker
#651
Quote: Originally Posted by bobnoorduyn View Post

I recieved another e-mail that was rather enlightening, and provides a bit more ammunition, so to speak, against the registry. Seems Ekos Research is conducting a poll of firearms owners using contact information garnered from the CFC's database, hmmm. Much of the information asked for is already in this database. It is apparently an attempt by bureacrats to justify the registry, particularly with the second reading of Bill C-391 due this month. The federal government knew nothing about this poll and has launched an investigation. The Canadian Shooting Sports Accociation is advising all firearms owners to not participate in this poll, and is exploring the possibility of persuing criminal charges relating to the release of confidential information byt the CFC.

There is no justification in a free country for having to let other people know what law abiding citizens have in their own homes. Privacy is a major cornerstone of liberty.

I guess you are in favour of people dead on the streets while the gun owners get away with it?
 
bobnoorduyn
Free Thinker
#652
Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman View Post

I guess you are in favour of people dead on the streets while the gun owners get away with it?

You obviously just don't get it. People dead on the street are rarely put there by law abiding gun owners, and if they are it is a result of self defense. No, the dead people on the streets are put there by thugs with guns, knives, fists, or whatever weapon happens to be handy. More often they are put there as a result of being denied the means to defend themselves by meddling do-gooders; you cannot legally carry any non lethal thing that can be deemed a weapon without risk of being charged with a criminal offense, this includes a knife, screwdriver, hammer, bear spray, hockey stick, baseball bat, etc., unless you appear to be using for a lawful purpose, (the best potential legal weapon is a large MagLite).

Newsflash, criminals don't care about laws. They are the ones who get away with it. Now tell me, where on earth can anyone get the idea that disarming law abiding citizens will actually make the streets safer?
 
AnnaG
#653
Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman View Post

Gun control works and the Conservatives are wrong for trying to get rid of it

lol Yeah, that is why people have registered their hairdryers, paint strippers, etc. That's why there aren't any more gang shootings, etc.
LM, you should really try to tell more sophisticated jokes. I don't think even elementary school kids would laugh at this one.
 
AnnaG
#654
Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman View Post

I guess you are in favour of people dead on the streets while the gun owners get away with it?

Another bad joke. Perhaps you should quit trying to be a comedian and just be a regular person.
 
Niflmir
Free Thinker
#655
Quote: Originally Posted by bobnoorduyn View Post

Now tell me, where on earth can anyone get the idea that disarming law abiding citizens will actually make the streets safer?

Gun control is not the same as gun prohibition. Do you think the government is trying to take away your car because you need to get a license to drive?

Nice knee jerk reaction though.
 
bobnoorduyn
Free Thinker
#656
And just to clarify, while there are no legal means whereby you can carry a non lethal weapon, such as pepper spray or "stun gun", you can still aquire a permit to carry a concealed, "lethal" weapon, a restricted or prohibited firearm. Many folks do, although most are officers of the court, a few of Brian Mulroney's MP's and Cabinet Ministers did too. Who knows who's carrying now? Privacy, makes you less of a target and keeps the bad guys guessing. But why should government officials be so special?
 
bobnoorduyn
Free Thinker
#657
Quote: Originally Posted by Niflmir View Post

Gun control is not the same as gun prohibition. Do you think the government is trying to take away your car because you need to get a license to drive?

Nice knee jerk reaction though.

I don't need a license to own a car, only to drive it off my own property. I used to own several unregistered vehicles, they never left my property.
 
Niflmir
Free Thinker
#658
Quote: Originally Posted by bobnoorduyn View Post

And just to clarify, while there are no legal means whereby you can carry a non lethal weapon, such as pepper spray or "stun gun", you can still aquire a permit to carry a concealed, "lethal" weapon, a restricted or prohibited firearm. Many folks do, although most are officers of the court, a few of Brian Mulroney's MP's and Cabinet Ministers did too. Who knows who's carrying now? Privacy, makes you less of a target and keeps the bad guys guessing. But why should government officials be so special?

Last time I checked, it was perfectly legal to be a police officer. Therefore giving a legal means to carry pepper spray, stun guns, or any other prohibited weapon.

The funny thing is that these (prohibited) weapons are suitable for use against citizens but not for ownership by citizens.
 
AnnaG
#659
Quote: Originally Posted by Niflmir View Post

Gun control is not the same as gun prohibition. Do you think the government is trying to take away your car because you need to get a license to drive?

Nice knee jerk reaction though.

lol Good point.

I think the issue in Canada is more of a disagreement in why the Glibs foisted this registry on us rather than focusing on issues like gang violence and why the occasional shooting spree by some whacked out Canuck in Montreal or some other city.

All things considered, I think city people are more likely to be violent than the rural types.
 
bobnoorduyn
Free Thinker
#660
Quote: Originally Posted by Niflmir View Post

Last time I checked, it was perfectly legal to be a police officer. Therefore giving a legal means to carry pepper spray, stun guns, or any other prohibited weapon.

The funny thing is that these (prohibited) weapons are suitable for use against citizens but not for ownership by citizens.

Sure it is legal to be a police officer, whatever you mean by that, I guess that makes them above the law, I get the impression from the association of chiefs of police that they believe that too.