Canada touted as leader in immigration policy


karrie
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Canada is a model to the rest of the world of how to accept new immigrants and migrant workers, according to a new report from the United Nations Development Programme.


Canada is among a small group of nations that has generally fair and open immigration policies, the report contends, that benefit both prospective immigrants looking for a new home, and our own labour force.


"All Canadians can be proud of what the report says about Canada," says David Morrison, the executive secretary of the United Nations Capital Development Fund.
The report, entitled "Overcoming Barriers: Human Mobility and Development," argues that immigration should be viewed not as a scourge, but as beneficial to both the countries that migrants move to and the ones they leave behind.
And as populations age, wealthy countries are likely to face an increase in demand for expatriate labour as they pull out of recession, the report notes.


"There are 1 billion people on the move and that number is going to grow as we look to the future," Morrison explained to Canada AM Monday. "So the report argues that migration is a process to be managed rather than problem to be solved."



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Lou Garu
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by karrie View Post

Canada is a model to the rest of the world of how to accept new immigrants and migrant workers, according to a new report from the United Nations Development Programme.


Canada is among a small group of nations that has generally fair and open immigration policies, the report contends, that benefit both prospective immigrants looking for a new home, and our own labour force.


"All Canadians can be proud of what the report says about Canada," says David Morrison, the executive secretary of the United Nations Capital Development Fund.
The report, entitled "Overcoming Barriers: Human Mobility and Development," argues that immigration should be viewed not as a scourge, but as beneficial to both the countries that migrants move to and the ones they leave behind.
And as populations age, wealthy countries are likely to face an increase in demand for expatriate labour as they pull out of recession, the report notes.


"There are 1 billion people on the move and that number is going to grow as we look to the future," Morrison explained to Canada AM Monday. "So the report argues that migration is a process to be managed rather than problem to be solved."



Nice to read ,Karrie ,but do you have a point in posting this?
 
ironsides
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#3
What is the point Karrie, if you are in favor of more immigration into Canada, let the world know, transportation can be arranged. Wonder why they are mostly coming to the U.S. then, could it be our medical care and other social freebies. A Illegal immigrant gets more care than a resident if they enter thru California.

Authorities work to decipher meaning of an influx of Chinese
NOGALES, ARIZ. - Amid an overall drop in arrests of illegal crossers at the U.S- Mexico border, an intriguing anomaly has cast new light on the global underworld of immigrant smuggling.

Authorities report an almost ten-fold spike in arrests of clandestine migrants from China in the southern Arizona desert, the busiest smuggling corridor on the international line.
In Arizona desert, illegal immigration's mysterious spike -- South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com
 
Lou Garu
Free Thinker
#4
Quote: Originally Posted by ironsides View Post

What is the point Karrie, if you are in favor of more immigration into Canada, let the world know, transportation can be arranged. Wonder why they are mostly coming to the U.S. then, could it be our medical care and other social freebies. A Illegal immigrant gets more care than a resident if they enter thru California.

Authorities work to decipher meaning of an influx of Chinese
NOGALES, ARIZ. - Amid an overall drop in arrests of illegal crossers at the U.S- Mexico border, an intriguing anomaly has cast new light on the global underworld of immigrant smuggling.

Authorities report an almost ten-fold spike in arrests of clandestine migrants from China in the southern Arizona desert, the busiest smuggling corridor on the international line.
In Arizona desert, illegal immigration's mysterious spike -- South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com

Naa, it'd be cheaper if you immigrated HERE .Bud (unrepentant yanks ......our specialty)
 
ironsides
No Party Affiliation
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by Lou Garu View Post

Naa, it'd be cheaper if you immigrated HERE .Bud (unrepentant yanks ......our specialty)


Might just be cheaper.
 
Tonington
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Quote: Originally Posted by ironsides View Post

What is the point Karrie, if you are in favor of more immigration into Canada, let the world know, transportation can be arranged. Wonder why they are mostly coming to the U.S. then, could it be our medical care and other social freebies. A Illegal immigrant gets more care than a resident if they enter thru California.

Did you read the article? Some countries make it harder to enter because they view immigration as a problem, and those countries tend to have a larger problem with illegal immigration...that seems to be a good point, that you have glossed over, and definitely relevant to the two links you provided a la illegal immigration.

I know one thing that comes across to me, is how vocal some are in this country about the scourge of immigration, yet from the outside, people see Canada as a model for how to manage the population demographics, at least as far as immigration is concerned.
 
Lou Garu
Free Thinker
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington View Post

Did you read the article? Some countries make it harder to enter because they view immigration as a problem, and those countries tend to have a larger problem with illegal immigration...that seems to be a good point, that you have glossed over, and definitely relevant to the two links you provided a la illegal immigration.

I know one thing that comes across to me, is how vocal some are in this country about the scourge of immigration, yet from the outside, people see Canada as a model for how to manage the population demographics, at least as far as immigration is concerned.

Hi Ton,
Don't forget some countries make it difficult/very expensive to LEAVE their own home countries legally (reasons for leaving a side issue ).
 
Trex
#8
Canada is recognized as a leader in immigration policy by vested interest groups.

They would prefer that Canada shoulder as much as is possible of the burden for the worlds poor, the uneducated, the unskilled, the unhealthy and the unemployable.

It's called wealth distribution and instead of Canada directly giving the funding to the worlds most unfortunate nations it is also effective if Canada takes in and then shoulders the responsibilities of looking after groups of poor and downtrodden folks.
Morally it is an admirable agenda.
Canada is recognized world wide as the easiest "first world" country in the world to get into if you are claiming refugee status, family reunification status or just have no skills or education and are trying to get out of an underdeveloped nation.
Check out the forum here:
Canada Immigration - Information on Immigration to Canada
It's fairly informative to see how residents of other countries network and share information on getting into Canada.

Canada, by the way, is not considered anywhere near the best country to immigrate to.
The USA, Australia, New Zealand, Austria, Switzerland, Germany, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium and the like all have higher per capita incomes, higher standards of living or are just plain more desirable.
Canada is just happens to be the easiest one to get into if you come from an unfortunate demographic.

Trex
 
Trex
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double post

Trex
 
Lou Garu
Free Thinker
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by Trex View Post

Canada is recognized as a leader in immigration policy by vested interest groups.

They would prefer that Canada shoulder as much as is possible of the burden for the worlds poor, the uneducated, the unskilled, the unhealthy and the unemployable.

It's called wealth distribution and instead of Canada directly giving the funding to the worlds most unfortunate nations it is also effective if Canada takes in and then shoulders the responsibilities of looking after groups of poor and downtrodden folks.
Morally it is an admirable agenda.
Canada is recognized world wide as the easiest "first world" country in the world to get into if you are claiming refugee status, family reunification status or just have no skills or education and are trying to get out of an underdeveloped nation.
Check out the forum here:
Canada Immigration - Information on Immigration to Canada
It's fairly informative to see how residents of other countries network and share information on getting into Canada.

Canada, by the way, is not considered anywhere near the best country to immigrate to.
The USA, Australia, New Zealand, Austria, Switzerland, Germany, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium and the like all have higher per capita incomes, higher standards of living or are just plain more desirable.
Canada is just happens to be the easiest one to get into if you come from an unfortunate demographic.

Trex

"Morally it is an admirable agenda."
Is there a "but" on that ,Trex?
 
Trex
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Quote: Originally Posted by Lou Garu View Post

"Morally it is an admirable agenda."
Is there a "but" on that ,Trex?

Mind reading again Lou Garu?
Or perhaps trying to impose your agenda's on others?

If I said I thought it was morally admirable that means I thought it was morally admirable.

Trex
 
AnnaG
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Quote: Originally Posted by karrie View Post

Canada is a model to the rest of the world of how to accept new immigrants and migrant workers, according to a new report from the United Nations Development Programme.


Canada is among a small group of nations that has generally fair and open immigration policies, the report contends, that benefit both prospective immigrants looking for a new home, and our own labour force.


"All Canadians can be proud of what the report says about Canada," says David Morrison, the executive secretary of the United Nations Capital Development Fund.
The report, entitled "Overcoming Barriers: Human Mobility and Development," argues that immigration should be viewed not as a scourge, but as beneficial to both the countries that migrants move to and the ones they leave behind.
And as populations age, wealthy countries are likely to face an increase in demand for expatriate labour as they pull out of recession, the report notes.


"There are 1 billion people on the move and that number is going to grow as we look to the future," Morrison explained to Canada AM Monday. "So the report argues that migration is a process to be managed rather than problem to be solved."



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Yeah but Canada is crappy about getting rid of the REAL undesirables that manage to come here and enforcing the existing laws(except when it comes to evicting harmless people).
 
SirJosephPorter
No Party Affiliation
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What I find encouraging is that Harper has not adopted the harsh, abrasive anti-immigrant rhetoric of Republicans in USA (Harper tries to imitate the Republicans whenever he thinks he can get away with it).

In USA, Republican Party is now firmly regarded (rightly or wrongly) as being anti-immigrant. In the process, they have alienated the Hispanic community big time. Harper has pretty much continued with the immigration policy of Liberals.
 
SirJosephPorter
No Party Affiliation
#14
They would prefer that Canada shoulder as much as is possible of the burden for the worlds poor, the uneducated, the unskilled, the unhealthy and the unemployable.

That doesnít make sense, Trex. Canada is a small country, even if it does as much as it can, it will hardly make a dent in the world situation. Also, immigration policy of Canada is pretty strict, they donít admit unskilled, unhealthy and unemployable.

Canada imports talent wholesale (doctors, engineers etc.) and then treats them shabbily. While Canada can be justly proud of her immigration policies, she should be ashamed of the way she treats immigrants. There are hundreds of unemployed doctors in Toronto, delivering pizza, driving cab etc., unable to work because their qualification is not recognized by the College of Physicians and Surgeons.

But it is not right to say that Canada imports. the unskilled, the unhealthy and the unemployable

Canada is recognized world wide as the easiest "first world" country in the world to get into if you are claiming refugee status, family reunification status or just have no skills or education and are trying to get out of an underdeveloped nation.

I donít know about refugees and family reunification (although I do support policies friendly to family reunification), but Canada does not admit people with no skills or education. Canada admits immigrants who have skills in short supply in Canada.

Overall, I think Canadaís immigration policy is just right and the accolade it received is well deserved.
 
ironsides
No Party Affiliation
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Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter View Post

What I find encouraging is that Harper has not adopted the harsh, abrasive anti-immigrant rhetoric of Republicans in USA (Harper tries to imitate the Republicans whenever he thinks he can get away with it).

In USA, Republican Party is now firmly regarded (rightly or wrongly) as being anti-immigrant. In the process, they have alienated the Hispanic community big time. Harper has pretty much continued with the immigration policy of Liberals.


You all Deserve a pat on the head.
 
SirJosephPorter
No Party Affiliation
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Quote: Originally Posted by ironsides View Post

You all Deserve a pat on the head.


Immigration should not be a left/right issue, ironsides. Unfortunately in USA it has become so, in Canada it has not.

In USA, Republicans are regarded as being opposed to immigration, and that has hurt them big time with Hispanics. As long as it is a left/right issue, I donít think you have any hope of solving your illegal immigration problem. It is only when all sides have the interest of the country at heart (and not the interest of their political party), sit down and come up with a sensible solution, that the illegal immigration problem will be solved. But I donít see that happening.
 
AnnaG
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Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter View Post

They would prefer that Canada shoulder as much as is possible of the burden for the worlds poor, the uneducated, the unskilled, the unhealthy and the unemployable.

That doesn’t make sense, Trex. Canada is a small country, even if it does as much as it can, it will hardly make a dent in the world situation. Also, immigration policy of Canada is pretty strict, they don’t admit unskilled, unhealthy and unemployable.

Right. It just admits gangs, con artists and other foreign criminals.

Quote:

Canada imports talent wholesale (doctors, engineers etc.) and then treats them shabbily. While Canada can be justly proud of her immigration policies, she should be ashamed of the way she treats immigrants. There are hundreds of unemployed doctors in Toronto, delivering pizza, driving cab etc., unable to work because their qualification is not recognized by the College of Physicians and Surgeons.

But it is not right to say that Canada imports. the unskilled, the unhealthy and the unemployable

That's not necessarily true.

Quote:

Canada is recognized world wide as the easiest "first world" country in the world to get into if you are claiming refugee status, family reunification status or just have no skills or education and are trying to get out of an underdeveloped nation.

Quote:


I don’t know about refugees and family reunification (although I do support policies friendly to family reunification), but Canada does not admit people with no skills or education. Canada admits immigrants who have skills in short supply in Canada.

Overall, I think Canada’s immigration policy is just right and the accolade it received is well deserved.

Yes, it does admit people with skills that are needed here, but as you previously gave an example of, it doesn't use those skilled people (physicians). So what's the point of inviting good people here if you won't let them work at what they are trained as? The CIC is a joke.
 
ironsides
No Party Affiliation
#18
Immigration is not a left or right issue, we all suffer because of the increase in crime (look at illegal gang violence), over burdened medical system, uneducated immigrants taking over low salaried jobs once held by our poor. just look at Calif., Mass. and Florida for prime examples. You have no immigration problem and probably haven't had one in over 100 years. So a nice compliment like you received deserves a pat on the head. Lets see what happens when your population grows a lot more. Don't worry it will. We do not need more uneducated people, we have enough already, and should be directing our resources towards getting them educated, not taking care of another countries excess. The only sensible solution is to tighten our borders more, at least until the 12 million undocumented we now have can be process legally. Educated immigrants usually enter legally. Question, why didn't you take in those from Hong Kong who wanted to immigrate to Canada when China too over? They were/are British Citizens.


 
Trex
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Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter View Post

They would prefer that Canada shoulder as much as is possible of the burden for the worlds poor, the uneducated, the unskilled, the unhealthy and the unemployable.

That doesnít make sense, Trex. Canada is a small country, even if it does as much as it can, it will hardly make a dent in the world situation. Also, immigration policy of Canada is pretty strict, they donít admit unskilled, unhealthy and unemployable.

Canada imports talent wholesale (doctors, engineers etc.) and then treats them shabbily. While Canada can be justly proud of her immigration policies, she should be ashamed of the way she treats immigrants. There are hundreds of unemployed doctors in Toronto, delivering pizza, driving cab etc., unable to work because their qualification is not recognized by the College of Physicians and Surgeons.

But it is not right to say that Canada imports. the unskilled, the unhealthy and the unemployable

Canada is recognized world wide as the easiest "first world" country in the world to get into if you are claiming refugee status, family reunification status or just have no skills or education and are trying to get out of an underdeveloped nation.

I donít know about refugees and family reunification (although I do support policies friendly to family reunification), but Canada does not admit people with no skills or education. Canada admits immigrants who have skills in short supply in Canada.

Overall, I think Canadaís immigration policy is just right and the accolade it received is well deserved.

If you read my statement a little more carefully you would see that I was referring to a UN statement.
They said what they said.
And of course they said it because Canada is the easiest First World nation to get into.
Exactly why else do you suppose the UN would say what they did about Canada?

Canada's immigration policy is pretty strict for other First World nationals.
We tend to be reciprocal in nature when dealing with First World nations.

However its immigration policies for allowing in immigrants from the third world are about the easiest on the planet.
Thus the UN accolades.

As to family reunification and refugee claimants we are again about the most lax nation on earth.
Thus again the UN accolades.

As to allowing in skilled professionals and treating them poorly.
Hogwash.
For one thing there are many more desirable countries for the top flight and highly skilled to go to .
As far as cherry picking the best and brightest Canada has not done that well in the past.
The USA, Austria, Switzerland, Norway, Sweden,Japan and Belgium any many other nations have higher equivalent pay scales and higher standards of living.
The best and the brightest get better offers from those nations.
We tend to get the second string guys.
Small country and all.

And as to your statements about hundreds of unemployed Doctors driving cabs.
Utter drivel.
There is a thread starter called something like "Why are brain surgeons driving Taxi's in Canada" or the like.
It's all been addressed there.
The only Doctors driving cabs in Toronto most likely are:
Unable to verify their education.
Unable to verify their C.V's
Unable to verify where they went to University.
Unable to verify what courses they took or passed.
Unable to verify their grades.
Unable to verify any legitimate contact people or professors.
But they are able to whip out a photocopied back-room medical diploma that came from Uttar Pradesh and is utterly laughable.
Do you really think that legitimate foreign medical students do not know how to network or ask their Professors what the requirements and certifications for Canada consist of?
How stupid do you think foreign medical students are?
Take it from me.
They are not stupid.
In fact the med students are on the whole very, very bright.
They know more or less exactly what they need to do, what tests and certifications they may need to re-qualify and what if any courses or intern work they need to redo in Canada.

I have been working out of the country for 18 years now.
8 in South Asia alone.
I have pretty much every scam and hard luck story there is.
Some of them are driving cabs in Toronto.
And what really pisses me off is, they don't even know where they are going as cabdrivers.

Trex
 
ironsides
No Party Affiliation
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Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG View Post

Right. It just admits gangs, con artists and other foreign criminals.

That's not necessarily true.

Yes, it does admit people with skills that are needed here, but as you previously gave an example of, it doesn't use those skilled people (physicians). So what's the point of inviting good people here if you won't let them work at what they are trained as? The CIC is a joke.


Good point AnnaG, In the U.S. we do use doctors from foreign countries, although it can be a pain talking to a doctor thru a interpreter which I had to do once, he was good though.
 
Kreskin
#21
Well done Canada.
 
AnnaG
#22
Yeah, there are no problems for foreign doctors getting work in their fields here, alright.

Ontario, Canada To Open Doors To Foreign Doctors To Ease Physician Shortage | AHN

Canada Forums: Qualifications for foreign doctors in Canada -, I am a medicine doctor with about 10 years of s

3, 4 and 5 years for validation by the Canadian bureaucracy.
 
SirJosephPorter
No Party Affiliation
#23
You have no immigration problem and probably haven't had one in over 100 years. So a nice compliment like you received deserves a pat on the head. Lets see what happens when your population grows a lot more. Don't worry it will.

I seriously doubt that, ironsides. As I have mentioned before, we are lucky in that we are separated from Mexico, there is USA in between. Mexicans come and bother you people, they leave us alone.

Even from other countries, their first choice is USA, rather than Canada, and a good thing too. I think the only exception is the British people, they prefer Canada to USA. But the British come here legally; we are not invaded by a horde of illegal British, so that is irrelevant.

So I don’t see we in Canada having a serious illegal immigration problem. And we couldn’t handle it anyway. Can you imagine what it would do to Canada if we get 12 million illegal immigrants (when we have only 30 million people in all)? That will be equivalent to USA being invaded by 120 million illegals.
 
SirJosephPorter
No Party Affiliation
#24
Question, why didn't you take in those from Hong Kong who wanted to immigrate to Canada when China too over? They were/are British Citizens.

Ironsides, but they were not Canadian citizens, were they? Then why should we let them in?
 
Lou Garu
Free Thinker
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by Trex View Post

Mind reading again Lou Garu?
Or perhaps trying to impose your agenda's on others?

If I said I thought it was morally admirable that means I thought it was morally admirable.

Trex

Thank you for the clarification, Trex
 
SirJosephPorter
No Party Affiliation
#26
There is a thread starter called something like "Why are brain surgeons driving Taxi's in Canada" or the like.
It's all been addressed there.
The only Doctors driving cabs in Toronto most likely are:


I donít know about that thread, Trex, but there are certainly plenty of problems for foreign doctors here. Since my wife is a doctor, we are tuned in to the medical profession and there are plenty of sad cases, doctors being here for years and unable to get their qualifications certified.

The problem is that they require training in Canada; no foreign medical degrees are recognized in Canada as such (except American degrees). They all have to pass a series of exams (which can be done with effort and application) and after having passed all of them, they then have to apply for training posts and undergo several years of training before their qualification can be approved by the College of Physicians and Surgeons.

That is the bottle neck; there are very few training posts for foreign doctors. Most of the foreign doctors who come here are quite good, they have no problem passing the series of exams, In fact, a few years ago they gave the same exams to Canadian medical graduates and foreign doctors on the average did much better than Canadian graduates.

So they can pass the exams all right, but then they cannot get training posts. That is where many doctors are stuck. Also the exam result stays valid for five years. If they donít get training posts in five years, they have of start with the exams all over again.

Doctors cannot get their qualifications approved many times through no fault of their own. Considering the shortage of doctors here, I think they have recently increased the posts available for foreign doctors somewhat. However, the problem still persists.
 
AnnaG
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Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter View Post

Question, why didn't you take in those from Hong Kong who wanted to immigrate to Canada when China too over? They were/are British Citizens .

Ironsides, but they were not Canadian citizens, were they? Then why should we let them in?

Quote:

British people, they prefer Canada to USA. But the British come here legally; we are not invaded by a horde of illegal British, so that is irrelevant.

huh?
 
FiveParadox
Liberal
#28
As far as I am concerned, the sixteen Realms of the Commonwealth should have a fast-tracked system between one another.
 
SirJosephPorter
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#29
Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox View Post

As far as I am concerned, the sixteen Realms of the Commonwealth should have a fast-tracked system between one another.


I think they used to have that in old days. But it all disappeared several decades ago. These days you need a visa even if you want to visit a Commonwealth country. When we visited India, we had to get a tourist visa (and quite expensive it was too). We donít need visas to go to Britain and most countries in Europe. But Commonwealth countries are a lot less friendly to each other than they used to.
 
AnnaG
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox View Post

As far as I am concerned, the sixteen Realms of the Commonwealth should have a fast-tracked system between one another.

Personally, I don't think we should have borders and there shouldn't be countries. But then, I also think there's only one race of humans - homosapiens.