Pakistan orders troops to open fire if U.S. raids


Praxius
#1
Figured this would be happening within days..... and I was right.



^ Good thing those flags are made in China for quick and cheap production.

Pakistan orders troops to open fire if U.S. raids
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...0916?hub=World

Quote:

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan -- Pakistan's military has ordered its forces to open fire if U.S. troops launch another air or ground raid across the Afghan border, an army spokesman said Tuesday.

The orders, which come in response to a highly unusual Sept. 3 ground attack by U.S. commandos, are certain to heighten tensions between Washington and a key ally against terrorism. Although the ground attack was rare, there have been repeated reports of U.S. drone aircraft striking militant targets, most recently on Sept. 12.

Pakistani officials warn that stepped-up cross-border raids will accomplish little while fueling violent religious extremism in nuclear-armed Pakistan. Some complain that the country is a scapegoat for the failure to stabilize Afghanistan.

Pakistan's civilian leaders, who have taken a hard line against Islamic militants since forcing Pervez Musharraf to resign as president last month, have insisted that Pakistan must resolve the dispute with Washington through diplomatic channels.

In Washington, a Pentagon spokesman said Pakistan would "correct the record" on the latest statement.

Why are we hearing this from the Pentagon on what Pakistan would "Correct" or not, and not hearing it from Pakistan themselves?

Quote:

"We enjoy good cooperation with Pakistan along the border," said the spokesman, Bryan Whitman. "Pakistan is an ally in the global war on terror."

Wow, great response to the issues and thanks for clearing that all up with us.

Quote:

However, army spokesman Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas told The Associated Press that after U.S. helicopters ferried troops into a militant stronghold in the South Waziristan tribal region, the military told field commanders to prevent any similar raids.

"The orders are clear," Abbas said in an interview. "In case it happens again in this form, that there is a very significant detection, which is very definite, no ambiguity, across the border, on ground or in the air: open fire."

Correct what again? Sounds like it'll be open season on US troops if they cross the borders again..... sounds pretty clear and crisp to me.

Quote:

U.S. military commanders accuse Islamabad of doing too little to prevent the Taliban and other militant groups from recruiting, training and resupplying in Pakistan's wild tribal belt.

Yet everything was all peachy while Bush's buddy, Dictator Mushhead, was in power.... all the while filling his pockets with US taxpayer's dollars?

Quote:

Pakistan acknowledges the presence of al-Qaida fugitives and its difficulties in preventing militants from seeping through the mountainous border into Afghanistan.

However, it insists it is doing what it can and paying a heavy price, pointing to its deployment of more then 100,000 troops in its increasingly restive northwest and a wave of suicide bombings across the country.

After talks Tuesday with British officials in London, Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari said he did not "think there will be any more" cross-border raids by the U.S. He declined to comment on the order to use lethal force against American troops.

Instead, he and British Prime Minister Gordon Brown issued a joint statement saying Afghanistan and Pakistan should lead the efforts to battle border militancy. The joint statement left out any mention of the United States.

American officials have confirmed their forces carried out the Sept. 3 raid near the town of Angoor Ada but given few details of what happened.

Abbas said that Pakistan's military had asked for an explanation but received only a "half-page" of "very vague" information that failed to identify the intended target.

Pakistani officials have said the raid killed about 15 people, and Abbas said they all appeared to be civilians.

"These were truck drivers, local traders and their families," he said.

How to reverse a surge in Taliban violence in Afghanistan has become a major issue in the U.S. presidential campaign and refocused attention on the porous border with Pakistan.

Pakistan's military has won American praise for a six-week offensive against militants in the Bajur tribal region that officials here say has killed 700 suspected insurgents and about 40 troops. Troops backed by warplanes killed eight more alleged militants Tuesday, officials said.

In the same timeframe, there has been a surge in missile strikes apparently carried out by unmanned U.S. drones. Such attacks killed at least two senior al-Qaida commanders earlier this year.

Abbas did not say when exactly the orders for Pakistani troops to open fire to prevent cross-border raids by U.S. troops were issued. He wouldn't discuss whether Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, who replaced Musharraf as army chief last year, personally took the decision or if the orders had been discussed with American officials.

The spokesman also played down suggestions that the instructions had been put into practice before dawn on Monday, when U.S. helicopters reportedly landed near Angoor Ada only to fly away after troops fired warning shots.

Abbas insisted no foreign troops had crossed the border and that "trigger-happy tribesmen" had fired the shots. Pakistani troops based nearby fired flares to see what was going on, he said.

The U.S. military in Afghanistan said none of its troops were involved.

In a rare public statement last week, Kayani said Pakistan's sovereignty would be defended "at all cost." Abbas said Pakistani officials had to consider public opinion, which is skeptical of American goals in the region and harbors sympathy for rebels fighting in the name of Islam.

"Please look at the public reaction to this kind of adventure or incursion," Abbas said. "The army is also an extension of the public and you can only satisfy the public when you match your words with your actions."

There you have it..... don't screw with Pakistan or you'll end up with more people to fight.
 
Risus
#2
Well the US should keep their nose and everything else out of an area that they have no business in....
 
mabudon
#3
I sure as hell hope our politicians are smart enough to stand back and let the US do whatever they like in this situation- I would think that the US opening an unnecessary war against Pakistan should void our "obligations" to whatever BS we're supposedly trying to accomplish over there, we don't need to become global pariahs just cos it's popular south of the border, after all
 
B00Mer
#4
This is great... that means the Pakistan's military has to go to the border region of their own country.. and we all know how the Tailiban and these crazy clans love the Pakistan's military.

They will get it from both sides.
 
Praxius
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

This is great... that means the Pakistan's military has to go to the border region of their own country.. and we all know how the Tailiban and these crazy clans love the Pakistan's military.

They will get it from both sides.

They love Pakistan's military a hell of a lot more then they do of Western forces stepping accross.

They might end up getting shot at by the Taliban, but the US will face getting shot at by both..... I think they have the least of the worries.
 
lone wolf
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by Praxius View Post

They love Pakistan's military a hell of a lot more then they do of Western forces stepping accross.

They might end up getting shot at by the Taliban, but the US will face getting shot at by both..... I think they have the least of the worries.

Some of them don't really give a damn as long as they're killing....
 
darkbeaver
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by mabudon View Post

I sure as hell hope our politicians are smart enough to stand back and let the US do whatever they like in this situation- I would think that the US opening an unnecessary war against Pakistan should void our "obligations" to whatever BS we're supposedly trying to accomplish over there, we don't need to become global pariahs just cos it's popular south of the border, after all

Hey what's that beach in France we tested for the Yanks and Limeys in WW11? Here's our chance to test the border of Pakistan for world peace.
 
Just the Facts
#8
Quote:

In a rare public statement last week, Kayani said Pakistan's sovereignty would be defended "at all cost." Abbas said Pakistani officials had to consider public opinion, which is skeptical of American goals in the region and harbors sympathy for rebels fighting in the name of Islam.

"Please look at the public reaction to this kind of adventure or incursion," Abbas said. "The army is also an extension of the public and you can only satisfy the public when you match your words with your actions."

In other words, thanks for the billions of dollars, but screw you, we're with the terrorists!
 
lone wolf
#9
Better get the keys to the atom bomb, Dad....
Last edited by lone wolf; Sep 16th, 2008 at 09:43 PM..
 
Praxius
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf View Post

Some of them don't really give a damn as long as they're killing....

Those type of people are in all the armed forces around the world.... some just want to kill.... I see nothing special.
 
Praxius
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by Just the Facts View Post

In other words, thanks for the billions of dollars, but screw you, we're with the terrorists!

Nice unfounded blanket statement.

So because they don't want the US to step foot in their country and cause the same level of sh*t as they have in Iraq and Afghanistan, they must be with the terrorists?

Ok then..... then how come the Taliban and such were still at a strong position since Bush has been sending that money to Pakistan and into the hands of Mushbrains? How come the Taliban were getting stronger and stronger, and now that Mushbrains has been kicked out of power and resigned before they could impeach him, that the Taliban have stepped up attacks within Pakistan?

If they were with the Taliban and the "Terrorists" then why would the Terrorists be attacking them?

How come they wern't attacking them before when Mushbrains was in power?

Do the math.
 
Just the Facts
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by Praxius View Post

Nice unfounded blanket statement.

<shrug>. So how would you interpret that statement?

In a rare public statement last week, Kayani said Pakistan's sovereignty would be defended "at all cost." Abbas said Pakistani officials had to consider public opinion, which is skeptical of American goals in the region and harbors sympathy for rebels fighting in the name of Islam.

"Please look at the public reaction to this kind of adventure or incursion," Abbas said. "The army is also an extension of the public and you can only satisfy the public when you match your words with your actions."


Seems pretty clear to me. "The public supports the rebels fighting in the name of Islam (Taliban) and we're out to satisfy the public. Ergo, we support the Taliban."

I don't know where you see controversy in my translation. I'm interested.
Last edited by Just the Facts; Sep 17th, 2008 at 06:34 PM..
 
Just the Facts
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by Praxius View Post

How come the Taliban were getting stronger and stronger, and now that Mushbrains has been kicked out of power and resigned before they could impeach him, that the Taliban have stepped up attacks within Pakistan?

Because Mushy negotiated with them and made a deal, leaving them alone in the tribal areas. As soon as they were strong enough they broke the deal and attacked.

Remember that when you hear suggestions that we should just negotiate a peace with the Taliban.

Surely those sweet boys would never reneg on a deal.
 
Zzarchov
#14
Good for pakistan. Ally means (or should) equal.

The US wouldn't tolerate a Pakistani airstrike on New York to root out suspected terrorists.
 
tracy
#15
The Taliban came to power partly because of the support they got from Pakistan. I don't feel sorry for them if it came back to bite them in the butt a little bit.
 
darkbeaver
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by Just the Facts View Post

In other words, thanks for the billions of dollars, but screw you, we're with the terrorists!

I know you're not simple minded JTF but some of the new people may be convinced mistakinly that you are in fact a retard. Those billions were invested in skullduggery with skullduggerests and not with the people of Pakistan who are finally tired of being blown up at weddings and graduation parties.
 
EagleSmack
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

Hey what's that beach in France we tested for the Yanks and Limeys in WW11? Here's our chance to test the border of Pakistan for world peace.

Dieppe? Yow...what a butt kicking.
 
EagleSmack
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

This is great... that means the Pakistan's military has to go to the border region of their own country.. and we all know how the Tailiban and these crazy clans love the Pakistan's military.

They will get it from both sides.

I do not think we will see much of the Pakistani army at the border. They aren't well liked by the clans either.
 
darkbeaver
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

Dieppe? Yow...what a butt kicking.

It's what we Canadians do for our friends Smack, we die in the hundreds of thousands in imperial wars because we are plainly too stupid to start one of our own. If you'all want us to attack in a full frontal charge with bagpipes and banners into blazing machine guns and artillary barrage no problem, you just have to tell us that the Paki's are bayonetting babies and rapeing nuns and fill us with cheap liqour and point us in the general direction and we're off like a herd of turtles. If you want dumber than that you'll have to go to Austrailia.
 
darkbeaver
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

I do not think we will see much of the Pakistani army at the border. They aren't well liked by the clans either.

Smack, there is a big big difference between not well liked and despised riviled loathed and hated. The tribes and the Pak Army agree fully about Uncle Sam.
 
EagleSmack
#21
Well I wouldn't go that far.
 
EagleSmack
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

Smack, there is a big big difference between not well liked and despised riviled loathed and hated. The tribes and the Pak Army agree fully about Uncle Sam.

When an army is afraid to enter the tribal regions or anywhere in their own country... they are not afraid of being yelled at...they're afraid of getting killed. I would say they were loathed.
 
darkbeaver
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

Well I wouldn't go that far.

Oh yes you would Smack, the first wedding party vapourized in your nieghbourhood by the Pak Airforce and you'd be there in spades.
 
EagleSmack
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

Oh yes you would Smack, the first wedding party vapourized in your nieghbourhood by the Pak Airforce and you'd be there in spades.

The "I wouldn't go that far" post was in response to the "bagpipes, banners blazing, and Canadians dying by the hundreds of thousands." I wouldn't go that far. Colorful but you need to have some basis of fact behind statements such as this. But then again... you are DarkBeaver and need not be bothered by those things.

Wedding parties are our favorite target if you haven't noticed. We always seem to be hitting wedding receptions.
 
Zzarchov
#25
Probably the cultural habit of firing guns into the air at weddings.

It would probably help if they stopped doing that for awhile.
 
darkbeaver
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

The "I wouldn't go that far" post was in response to the "bagpipes, banners blazing, and Canadians dying by the hundreds of thousands." I wouldn't go that far. Colorful but you need to have some basis of fact behind statements such as this. But then again... you are DarkBeaver and need not be bothered by those things.

Wedding parties are our favorite target if you haven't noticed. We always seem to be hitting wedding receptions.

Hey Smack we were in both big Wars before America and we died by the hundreds of thousands stopping machine gun bullets and various other chunks of cheap steel. Where is your problem with those facts? Don't make us come down thier and prove how stupid we are.
 
darkbeaver
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by Zzarchov View Post

Probably the cultural habit of firing guns into the air at weddings.

It would probably help if they stopped doing that for awhile.

It's thier country they shouldn't have to change anything.
 
mabudon
#28
Yep, sovereign nation, who is the US or anyone else to tell them how to celebrate OR face dire consequences? (in their own country BTW- that's like saying I was psychotic and ready to snap so my neighbors should not leave their house for a while or I might just kill them- SAME thing)

Seems the US needs to get busted a few more pegs down, WAY too big for their britches if they support that idiotic attitude
 
EagleSmack
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

Hey Smack we were in both big Wars before America and we died by the hundreds of thousands stopping machine gun bullets and various other chunks of cheap steel. Where is your problem with those facts? Don't make us come down thier and prove how stupid we are.

Yawn. How many times do we have to go over this? Canadians were not fully engaged until 1943. They listed their first infantryman killed in 1942...after Pearl Harbor. Sure there was a pilot here and there flying in British Squadrons but there were Americans there as well.

I would LOOOOOOOOOOOOVE for you to come down here!
 
EagleSmack
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by mabudon View Post

Yep, sovereign nation, who is the US or anyone else to tell them how to celebrate OR face dire consequences? (in their own country BTW- that's like saying I was psychotic and ready to snap so my neighbors should not leave their house for a while or I might just kill them- SAME thing)

Seems the US needs to get busted a few more pegs down, WAY too big for their britches if they support that idiotic attitude

We LOVE our positive attitude. Who are you to say how we should feel? We are a sovreign nation and THATS how we feel. Perhaps you could learn from us.

Terrorists your game is through...
And now you have to answer to...
AMERICA
F* YEAH