Komagata Maru: Justin Trudeau to apologize for 1914 incident


mentalfloss
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Komagata Maru: Justin Trudeau to apologize for 1914 incident

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau will offer an apology in the House of Commons on May 18 almost 102 years after the Komagata Maru incident, where the government of the day turned away more than 300 Indians seeking a better life in Canada.

In 2008, then-prime minister Stephen Harper apologized to the Sikh community in Surrey, B.C., but many demanded he make a formal apology in the Commons.

The Sikh community will get its wish next month, Trudeau announced in Ottawa Monday.

"As a nation, we should never forget the prejudice suffered by the Sikh community at the hands of the Canadian government of the day. We should not and we will not," he said.

"That is why, next month, on May 18th, I will stand in the House of Commons and offer a full apology for the Komagata Maru incident."

Trudeau called the laws that allowed the Canadian government to turn the Komagata Maru away discriminatory.

"The passengers of the Komagata Maru, like millions of immigrants to Canada since, were seeking refuge, and better lives for their families. With so much to contribute to their new home, they chose Canada and we failed them utterly," he said.

Discriminatory laws

In 1910, an order-in-council was passed which stated immigrants coming to Canada must do so by continuous journey. As a result, Gurdit Singh chartered the Japanese ship Komagata Maru and sold tickets for a continuous journey from the Punjab state to Canada.

The Komagata Maru sailed into Vancouver harbour with 376 people aboard on May 23, 1914.

The passengers argued a 1908 provision that required all "Asiatic" immigrants to have $200 did not apply to them because they were British subjects. At the time, India was still a colony.

The dominion government would not allow the passengers to disembark and the vessel sat in the harbour for two months.

That July, the government ordered the ship to sail but the passengers took over the ship and refused to leave.

On July 19, 125 Vancouver police officers and 35 special immigration agents attempted to board the vessel and were beaten back. Thirty were injured.

On July 23, under the guns of the naval cruiser HMCS Rainbow, the Komagata Maru was escorted out to sea and returned to India.

Komagata Maru: Justin Trudeau to apologize for 1914 incident - British Columbia - CBC News
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Next he'll apologize for the Kobayashi Maru incident.
 
Johnnny
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Quote: Originally Posted by tecumsehsbones View Post

next he'll apologize for the kobayashi maru incident.

hahahaha
 
mentalfloss
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The rails.

They are gone!
 
pgs
Free Thinker
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Does anyone really care ?
Do we need to feel guilty for the sins of our forefathers ?
Were they really sins ?
How much money will follow this apology ?
 
mentalfloss
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Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Does anyone really care ?
Do we need to feel guilty for the sins of our forefathers ?
Were they really sins ?
How much money will follow this apology ?

Yes.
No.
Yes.
For what?
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
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Perhaps, Trudeau will assume full responsibility for the Spanish Inquisition on behalf of Canada... It's the right thing to do

 
mentalfloss
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Perhaps we can avoid slippery slope arguments.

Perhaps.
 
Walter
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Justine should apologize for his parents having conceived him.
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

Perhaps we can avoid slippery slope arguments.

Perhaps.

Why?

There have been an extraordinary number of atrocities committed over the centuries against pretty much every race and culture... Trudeau is simply cherry-picking a few select ones. Ignoring all of them is is discriminatory in and of itself.

So, lets start with the Spanish Inquisition (or Black Plague if you prefer) and work our way forward.

Deal?
 
pgs
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

Yes.
No.
Yes.
For what?

Yes , so who is it that care ?
No , if we aren't guilty for the sins of our fathers why are we apologizing for them?
Yes , explain the sin . Does a sovereign nation not have control of who is and who isn't allowed into their country ?
For what .Doesn't compensation follow an apology ? We sure paid out the Japanese .
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

Why?

There have been an extraordinary number of atrocities committed over the centuries against pretty much every race and culture... Trudeau is simply cherry-picking a few select ones. Ignoring all of them is is discriminatory in and of itself.

So, lets start with the Spanish Inquisition (or Black Plague if you prefer) and work our way forward.

Deal?



If Canada was responsible, then I'd agree with you. Since Canada is not responsible for "the Inquisition" then no. At this point, all you are doing is showing your ignorance.

This is the Government of Canada apologising for a wrong perpetrated by the Government of Canada.
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh View Post

This is the Government of Canada apologising for a wrong perpetrated by the Government of Canada.

This is the government of Canada doing another "Look over there."
 
Sons of Liberty
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh View Post

This is the Government of Canada apologising for a wrong perpetrated by the Government of Canada.

Towards whom? Anyone involved is long dead.
 
Kreskin
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Who will apologize for Justin Trudeau?
 
pgs
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh View Post

If Canada was responsible, then I'd agree with you. Since Canada is not responsible for "the Inquisition" then no. At this point, all you are doing is showing your ignorance.

This is the Government of Canada apologising for a wrong perpetrated by the Government of Canada.

Is anyone apologizing to the jews that weren't allowed to land in Halifax prior to WW2 ?
It is much more recent and similar circumstances , or does anybody care ?

Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Is anyone apologizing to the jews that weren't allowed to land in Halifax prior to WW2 ?
It is much more recent and similar circumstances , or does anybody care ?

See nobody cares I mean they were just white jews.
 
Locutus
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In 2008, then-prime minister Stephen Harper apologized to the Sikh community in Surrey, B.C., but many demanded he make a formal apology in the Commons.


end of story. time to move on kids.
 
DaSleeper
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Fluffers gotta Fluff.....
 
Jinentonix
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Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

Fluffers gotta Fluff.....

Some people don't understand the difference between a genuine, heart-felt apology and sucking up.
 
mentalfloss
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Please enlighten us as to what he should have done to make it a heartfelt, genuine apology.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Well, now that Secretary of State Kerry has visited the Hiroshima Peace Park, everybody's wondering if President Obama will apologize for the A-bombs when he's in Japan.

I propose the following apology text: "The United States humbly apologizes for the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. We now realize that we should have fire-bombed them like we did Tokyo, which killed more people than both A-bombs put together."
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
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An apology is one thing. The inevitable compensation claims are another.....
 
Jinentonix
No Party Affiliation
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

Please enlighten us as to what he should have done to make it a heartfelt, genuine apology.

He shouldn't have bothered in the first damn place. And neither should have Harper. Why the f*ck is anyone apologizing for Canada rightfully exercising its sovereignty 100 years ago?


That's what makes the apology so fake. Maybe Trudeau should formally apologize for the 54 of the 70+ years the Liberals were in power while the residential school system was still in place. Maybe he should apologize for his daddy not shutting them down when he was in power.


Oh NOW I get it. He's apologizing because it was a CONSERVATIVE govt in power when the Komagata Maru "incident" occurred.
 
lone wolf
Free Thinker
#24
Not bad.... It only took 22 posts for someone to make it a political stripe thing instead of the racial preference thing it was
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh View Post

If Canada was responsible, then I'd agree with you. Since Canada is not responsible for "the Inquisition" then no. At this point, all you are doing is showing your ignorance.

This is the Government of Canada apologising for a wrong perpetrated by the Government of Canada.

As was brought up by another poster, Canada is a sovereign nation and has the final say on things like immigration.

I get it that these folks were 'looking for a better life' but the responsibility would have fallen directly on them to organize this in advance, not Canada's responsibility to organize things after the fact.

As for the Spanish Inquisition comment I made, it is simply an exaggeration of the logic that si being applied selectively by Trudeau in this specific case. Sure, Canada didn't formally exist at the time, but that is a tiny detail compared to the reality that multiple generations have passed since the Komagata incident... If you're prepared to adopt an uber-flexible POV on this issue (and ultimately, many many others), why not take it to the extreme?
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

Komagata Maru: Justin Trudeau to apologize for 1914 incident

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau will offer an apology in the House of Commons on May 18 almost 102 years after the Komagata Maru incident, where the government of the day turned away more than 300 Indians seeking a better life in Canada.

In 2008, then-prime minister Stephen Harper apologized to the Sikh community in Surrey, B.C., but many demanded he make a formal apology in the Commons.

The Sikh community will get its wish next month, Trudeau announced in Ottawa Monday.

"As a nation, we should never forget the prejudice suffered by the Sikh community at the hands of the Canadian government of the day. We should not and we will not," he said.

"That is why, next month, on May 18th, I will stand in the House of Commons and offer a full apology for the Komagata Maru incident."

Trudeau called the laws that allowed the Canadian government to turn the Komagata Maru away discriminatory.

"The passengers of the Komagata Maru, like millions of immigrants to Canada since, were seeking refuge, and better lives for their families. With so much to contribute to their new home, they chose Canada and we failed them utterly," he said.

Discriminatory laws

In 1910, an order-in-council was passed which stated immigrants coming to Canada must do so by continuous journey. As a result, Gurdit Singh chartered the Japanese ship Komagata Maru and sold tickets for a continuous journey from the Punjab state to Canada.

The Komagata Maru sailed into Vancouver harbour with 376 people aboard on May 23, 1914.

The passengers argued a 1908 provision that required all "Asiatic" immigrants to have $200 did not apply to them because they were British subjects. At the time, India was still a colony.

The dominion government would not allow the passengers to disembark and the vessel sat in the harbour for two months.

That July, the government ordered the ship to sail but the passengers took over the ship and refused to leave.

On July 19, 125 Vancouver police officers and 35 special immigration agents attempted to board the vessel and were beaten back. Thirty were injured.

On July 23, under the guns of the naval cruiser HMCS Rainbow, the Komagata Maru was escorted out to sea and returned to India.

Komagata Maru: Justin Trudeau to apologize for 1914 incident - British Columbia - CBC News

Oooooh that's a biggie. Apologize for something that happened even before his father was born. How very PC. And useless.

Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

Please enlighten us as to what he should have done to make it a heartfelt, genuine apology.

THe moron wasn't even born then. Neither was his father. Why would he feel the least bit necessary to apologize?
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Funny how the Old Stock Canadians are getting so cranked about this.
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
#28
Why not recognize all atrocities regardless of whose perspective is being considered?

After all, this is the land of equality and fairness
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

Why not recognize all atrocities regardless of whose perspective is being considered?

After all, this is the land of equality and fairness

I thought it was the land of hockey and maple syrup. Make up yer minds, willya?
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

Please enlighten us as to what he should have done to make it a heartfelt, genuine apology.

Send money. THat is what the rich socialists do to help their guilt.
 

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