NAFTA; Did Mexico throw Canada under the bus ?


Liberalman
Free Thinker
#1
I feel Canada is the sacrificial lamb or Jesus of sorts thanks to Mexicans self interests. Canada might as well forget NAFTA's all for one and one for all thinking and concentrate on a unalateral deal with King Trump like he wanted in the first place. We had global econamy from the start with the tariffs.

The free trade agreements were supposed to raise the standard of living from poor countries but instead are lowering it for the rich counties. Groups of countries working as one economic union start to lose their sovernty. We have to remember that America is our nabour "America is not our nation" Canada was paid for with our blood and our sweat and we must protect it.

What do you think?
 
Hoid
#2
I think I don't know what you mean.

I think America has thrown Canada and Mexico under the bus.
 
Liberalman
Free Thinker
#3
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

I think I don't know what you mean.

I think America has thrown Canada and Mexico under the bus.

America wanted out of NAFTA and Mexico and Canada were supposed to be unified but it sounds like Mexico are close to a deal with America.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#4
Mexico's new Gov, needed to get the deal done to get out of the tariffs and move on to their agenda, Canada was stalling the process over it's progressive agenda. Not looking good for Freeman's demands now she will have no choice to either sign on or be frozen out of the agreement.
 
Hoid
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman View Post

America wanted out of NAFTA and Mexico and Canada were supposed to be unified but it sounds like Mexico are close to a deal with America.

I would wait and see what happens prior to deciding.

to each their own
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
+1
#6
It sure looks like Canada is getting shut out of NAFTA which is ironic seeing as it came into being in the first place when Canada and the US invited Mexico to join the free trade deal in the first place. Maybe, with an unstable regime colluding with another unstable regime, we would be wise to look elsewhere in the world for our long term trade relationships.
 
MHz
#7
Canada can still snap up Cuba and South America as far as major trading partners, wait too long and they will buy the hardware to bring themselves into independence someplace else. They will not deals with anybody the US has under their thump and nobody can do it faster than we can as they have other commitments and they are still under US sanctions so we have to cut our cord or go down with them. (they not see us as being equals as they would gun down illegals coming from Canad yet want open borders if they get rid of some of the 'useless eaters' Canada could start 100 miles further north and the lower part can belong to the US as a 'buffer-zone', lol.
 
Johnnny
No Party Affiliation
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#8  Top Rated Post
Canada needs to focus on Canada and quit focusing on other countries.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+3
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Mexico's new Gov, needed to get the deal done to get out of the tariffs and move on to their agenda, Canada was stalling the process over it's progressive agenda. Not looking good for Freeman's demands now she will have no choice to either sign on or be frozen out of the agreement.

Like I said

Mexican negotiator suggests there is no need for Canada to rejoin NAFTA talks after U.S.-Mexico reach deal

Trudeau may as well dress like a Burrito because we just got screwed
 
White_Unifier
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

It sure looks like Canada is getting shut out of NAFTA which is ironic seeing as it came into being in the first place when Canada and the US invited Mexico to join the free trade deal in the first place. Maybe, with an unstable regime colluding with another unstable regime, we would be wise to look elsewhere in the world for our long term trade relationships.

Trading with the US has the advantage of lower transportation costs compared to Asia, Europe, and elsewhere. But in the end, the US has to want to trade with us too. If it doesn't want to, then yeah, let's just unilaterally drop tariffs and trade with whoever wants to trade with us.

Quote: Originally Posted by Johnnny View Post

Canada needs to focus on Canada and quit focusing on other countries.

Like it or not, Canadian consumers need access to foreign markets to access the goods we need. The Canadian population is too small for Canadian businesses to produce everything we need in small quantities in any efficient manner. It's preferable for Canadian businesses to do what they do best and export it and Canadian consumers import the best products from around the world. Businesses depend on economies of scale to keep prices low. With Canada's small economy, we can achieve that only through free trade.
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
+1
#11
Trudeau ( and his globalist nazi commie followers) threw Canada under the bus.
 
CaptainTrips
+2
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman View Post

I feel Canada is the sacrificial lamb or Jesus of sorts thanks to Mexicans self interests. Canada might as well forget NAFTA's all for one and one for all thinking and concentrate on a unalateral deal with King Trump like he wanted in the first place. We had global econamy from the start with the tariffs.

The free trade agreements were supposed to raise the standard of living from poor countries but instead are lowering it for the rich counties. Groups of countries working as one economic union start to lose their sovernty. We have to remember that America is our nabour "America is not our nation" Canada was paid for with our blood and our sweat and we must protect it.

What do you think?

For Trudeau and his girls to think that Mexico would not put their own interests first over some sort of "solidarity" with Canada is just another demonstration of their extreme naivete. Unfortunately we can expect this kind of immature behavior on the part of our govt to continue for a long time until the CPC get a much better leader and crew together.
 
MHz
#13
We could become Pirates, give to the poor in spite of US sanctions. 'Bad boy' status once we sneak a million tons of wheat into Venezuela and Cube (on credit, lets not get stupid)
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

We could become Pirates, give to the poor in spite of US sanctions. 'Bad boy' status once we sneak a million tons of wheat into Venezuela and Cube (on credit, lets not get stupid)

The sky over our heads will be black with B-52s ...
 
MHz
#15
Better the sky than our hearts.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+1
#16
Trump: NAFTA trade agreement with Mexico 'looking good'

Quote:

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump says the prospects are "looking good" for an agreement with Mexico that could set the stage for an overhaul of the North American Free Trade Agreement.
"A big deal looking good with Mexico!" Trump tweeted Monday morning.
U.S. and Mexican negotiators worked over the weekend to narrow their differences. Once they reach an agreement, the third country in NAFTA — Canada — would be brought back in to finalize a revamp of the 24-year-old pact.
NAFTA reduced most trade barriers between the three countries. But Trump and other critics say it encouraged U.S. manufacturers to move south of the border to exploit low-wage Mexican labor.
The Trump administration wants a higher percentage of auto production to come from within the NAFTA bloc before qualifying for duty-free status.

Just reported on the tube Canada's response is that they are in contact with the negotiations and are happy with what they hear coming out and content if they help the middle class.


A little change of tune in their progressive stance on the NAFTA file

Just reported deal is done with Mexico, Canada will now have to follow the blue print laid out
 
justlooking
+1
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Just reported deal is done with Mexico, Canada will now have to follow the blue print laid out


Not surprised by any of it.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
-1
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Trump: NAFTA trade agreement with Mexico 'looking good'



Just reported on the tube Canada's response is that they are in contact with the negotiations and are happy with what they hear coming out and content if they help the middle class.


A little change of tune in their progressive stance on the NAFTA file

Just reported deal is done with Mexico, Canada will now have to follow the blue print laid out

It's not a "done deal" because it takes a 90 day notice and an act of Congress to terminate NAFTA, not the ravings of a loudmouthed bully. We'll see both what Congress looks like down the road and whether the ones that are there will vote to end the deal. Trump's record at getting things through is not great.

Sorry to disappoint you. Your country has NOT been trashed ... yet. Maybe, you'll get lucky later on.
 
Hoid
#19
Did he also tweet the Mexicans will be paying for that wall?
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by justlooking View Post

Not surprised by any of it.

Another anti-Canadian Eyeore. You really dislike your country so much?
 
Vbeacher
+2
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Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Another anti-Canadian Eyeore. You really dislike your country so much?

Suggesting it was naive for Trudeau to put his faith in Mexican solidarity is not anti-Canadian. The US has long made it clear that it wanted a separate deal with Canada, and that its real target was Mexico. The Liberals refused, citing solidarity with Mexico and a series of idiotic progressive demands on unions, identity politics and climate change which were untenable from the start. If that backfires on them they'll be holding the can.
 
Hoid
#22
Suggesting Trudeau put his faith in Mexican solidarity is anti-Canadian.

See how that works?
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by Vbeacher View Post

Suggesting it was naive for Trudeau to put his faith in Mexican solidarity is not anti-Canadian. The US has long made it clear that it wanted a separate deal with Canada, and that its real target was Mexico. The Liberals refused, citing solidarity with Mexico and a series of idiotic progressive demands on unions, identity politics and climate change which were untenable from the start. If that backfires on them they'll be holding the can.

There is no "end" yet. Trump's trade tirades are all subject to Congressional approval. I am no fan of Trudeau, believe you me but we're in this situation because Trump is a sick fukc who doesn't like any kind of multilateralism and doesn't listen to the better informed , not because Trudeau did anything. Trump, Trump, Trump ... It's all about Trump and this is yet another publicity stunt until Congress agrees to it.
 
Vbeacher
+1
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

There is no "end" yet. Trump's trade tirades are all subject to Congressional approval. I am no fan of Trudeau, believe you me but we're in this situation because Trump is a sick fukc who doesn't like any kind of multilateralism and doesn't listen to the better informed , not because Trudeau did anything. Trump, Trump, Trump ... It's all about Trump and this is yet another publicity stunt until Congress agrees to it.

Maybe. Or maybe we could have reached agreement with his negotiators separately and be done with it if the Liberals hadn't insisted on a progressive agenda and solidarity with Mexico. We'll find out soon.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
-1
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by Vbeacher View Post

Maybe. Or maybe we could have reached agreement with his negotiators separately and be done with it if the Liberals hadn't insisted on a progressive agenda and solidarity with Mexico. We'll find out soon.

No you couldn't Trump controls the action, not common sense.

He's a whack job, in case you didn't notice.
 
Vbeacher
+2
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

No you couldn't Trump controls the action, not common sense.

He's a whack job, in case you didn't notice.

I noticed. On the other hand the sudden raise in stock price for Magna, Martinrea and Linamar (Canadian auto manufacturers) suggests a lot of people feel an agreement with Canada will now be just a formality, despite Trump's bluster.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
-1
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by Vbeacher View Post

I noticed. On the other hand the sudden raise in stock price for Magna, Martinrea and Linamar (Canadian auto manufacturers) suggests a lot of people feel an agreement with Canada will now be just a formality, despite Trump's bluster.

Ford, GM, Chrysler stand to lose more than anyone. There are no "Canadian" cars and tariffs will price North American cars right out of the market. MAGA, my ass. He's bonkers.
 
Hoid
#28
The biggest obstacle to getting anything done vis a vis America is the current president who is a liar and politically inept.

He cannot get anything done.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

The biggest obstacle to getting anything done vis a vis America is the current president who is a liar and politically inept.

He cannot get anything done.

... almost nothing. You can't get things done in Washington by being a dictating monarch. You have to be a wheeler-dealer and Trump is too used to being the Sole Proprietor, not the Chairman of a committee.

Walter is another Quisling who loves Trump but hates his country. Where do these assholes come from and why don't we run them out of our country?
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Walter
+3
#30
Lots of TDS in this thread. Prog heads exploding cuz Trump got a good deal done for both Mexico and the US. Let’s hope Turdoh is smart enough to get a good deal for Canada. MAGA