Trudeauís arrogance, disdain, and outward contempt towards the West


Decapoda
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Itís something straight out of the playbook of his old man. A strategy that has been just as effective in politics as in any military theater, divide and conquer.

The fulcrum of power in this country has typically resided somewhere in the vicinity of the Manitoba/Ontario border for as long as I can remember. With 121 Federal seats out of a total 338 in Ontario alone, and another 78 seats in Quebec, itís easy to understand how most of the political power is held by these two provinces. With a grand total of 104 seats from Manitoba to BC itís also easy to understand the anger and frustration coming from the West toward a Government which appears to have absolutely no interest in nurturing a healthy relationship with provinces West of this fulcrum.

The latest stunt by our arrogant leader is just another in a long list of examples of the outright seething contempt he has for Western Canada. One day after Alberta and Saskatchewan expressed an interest in discussing changes to the equalization plan and with full knowledge that the formula is in need of review, Trudeau pulled a fast one on the West and passed the budget implementation bill with an awkwardly worded clause on page 319 of the 369-page document indicating the current equalization formula would be extended for five years until 2024. No consultation. No explanation. Just a hollow promise from Morneau to consult on the next renewal, in five years, if heís still in office and the Liberals still in power.

The level of insolence and antipathy of this move would be shockingÖif it were out of character. But it's not. For Federal Liberals itís just another dayÖanother slap in the face in a long history of bold middle-fingers aimed squarely at the West.

But things are changing, and Trudeau better pay attention. This isnít his daddyís Canada, and people are wise to the bulllshit. Whether itís something as trivial as ďforgettingĒ the province of Alberta during a Canada Day speech, or something much more economically destructive as failing to support construction of a pipeline project to the point of collapse, then having to buy the project with tax money to save his image, people see example after example, this Governmentís inability or unwillingnessÖor bothÖto bring the country together. Declaring ďthe country is better off when Quebecers are in chargeĒ plays well in Quebec, but itís not constructiveÖitís the opposite.

Using animosity, antagonism, and anger between provinces and their people to hold onto power may work in the short-term, but at what expense to the country? Or are we just living in a post national state? Pulling a country apart in order to maintain power seems counter-productive, itís impossible to imagine a scenario in which this classic Trudeau strategy could possibly end well for this country.
 
Walter
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Toward anyone.
 
Dixie Cup
Conservative
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Well said. Trudeau's contempt for Canada is quite remarkable; his hatred of the West even more so since he doesn't realize that it takes the parts to make a country whole and divisive policies do not work. I hope that in the next election, people take this to heart and throws this government out. Having said that, there are two other parties that need to step up to the plate and that's not happening either. I am not overly optimistic about the future, that's for sure.


JMHO
 
Hoid
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I hope he learned his lesson about the West when he bought them that stupid pipeline.

It will never be enough. Alberta's sense of entitlement is boundless.
 
Decapoda
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Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Alberta's sense of entitlement is boundless.

Eclipsed easily by your profound ignorance and complete idiocy.
 
Walter
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Hoid = Avro = troll
 
petros
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Waldo
 
Decapoda
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Quote: Originally Posted by Dixie Cup View Post

Well said. Trudeau's contempt for Canada is quite remarkable; his hatred of the West even more so since he doesn't realize that it takes the parts to make a country whole and divisive policies do not work. I hope that in the next election, people take this to heart and throws this government out. Having said that, there are two other parties that need to step up to the plate and that's not happening either. I am not overly optimistic about the future, that's for sure.


JMHO

“Canada isn’t doing well right now because it’s Albertans who control our community and socio-democratic agenda. It doesn’t work,” Trudeau said.

When Lagace asked whether Trudeau believed Canada was better off “when there are more Quebecers in charge than Albertans,” Trudeau replied in the affirmative.

“I’m a Liberal, so of course I think so, yes. Certainly when we look at the great prime ministers of the 20th century, those that really stood the test of time, they were MPs from Quebec ... This country — Canada — it belongs to us.

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Typical Trudeau comments like this are the most toxic, corrosive sentiment to national unity. How any leader could be so boldly manipulative and blatantly deceptive is difficult to understand. Without a doubt, Trudeau has made it his personal mission to obliterate any form of unity within this country.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
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Quote: Originally Posted by Decapoda View Post

“Canada isn’t doing well right now because it’s Albertans who control our community and socio-democratic agenda. It doesn’t work,” Trudeau said.

When Lagace asked whether Trudeau believed Canada was better off “when there are more Quebecers in charge than Albertans,” Trudeau replied in the affirmative.

“I’m a Liberal, so of course I think so, yes. Certainly when we look at the great prime ministers of the 20th century, those that really stood the test of time, they were MPs from Quebec ... This country — Canada — it belongs to us.”

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Typical Trudeau comments like this are the most toxic, corrosive sentiment to national unity. How any leader could be so boldly manipulative and blatantly deceptive is difficult to understand. Without a doubt, Trudeau has made it his personal mission to obliterate any form of unity within this country.

How much of the Canadian population does Alberta represent?

I get 11%.
 
Decapoda
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Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

How much of the Canadian population does Alberta represent?

What does it matter? Canada is a country, from coast to coast.

How much of the Canadian population does BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba represent? How about Ontario? Ontarians sent a pretty clear message to the provincial Liberals in the recent provincial election. It was a clear push-back (though long overdue) against failed Liberal policies which have crippled the economy and foisted a social agenda on a population that is fed up with the bullshit being peddled by the Liberals. Trudeau's response...shuffle the cabinet and give the former Toronto police chief a cabinet post to help lead the fight against the new Ontario populist Government? Going to take more than that, son.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
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Quote: Originally Posted by Decapoda View Post

What does it matter? Canada is a country, from coast to coast.

How much of the Canadian population does BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba represent? How about Ontario? Ontarians sent a pretty clear message to the provincial Liberals in the recent provincial election. It was a clear push-back (though long overdue) against failed Liberal policies which have crippled the economy and foisted a social agenda on a population that is fed up with the bullshit being peddled by the Liberals. Trudeau's response...shuffle the cabinet and give the former Toronto police chief a cabinet post to help lead the fight against the new Ontario populist Government? Going to take more than that, son.

What matters is that the governments that we choose should reflect the make-up of the country. Alberta certainly shouldn't be excluded nor should she dominate the confederation in any way (nor should Quebec).
 
Decapoda
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Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

What matters is that the governments that we choose should reflect the make-up of the country.

Agreed. Too bad "we" don't have such a government. Too bad "our" government is more intent on burning bridges than in building them.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
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Quote: Originally Posted by Decapoda View Post

ďCanada isnít doing well right now because itís Albertans who control our community and socio-democratic agenda. It doesnít work,Ē Trudeau said.

When Lagace asked whether Trudeau believed Canada was better off ďwhen there are more Quebecers in charge than Albertans,Ē Trudeau replied in the affirmative.

ďIím a Liberal, so of course I think so, yes. Certainly when we look at the great prime ministers of the 20th century, those that really stood the test of time, they were MPs from Quebec ... This country ó Canada ó it belongs to us.Ē

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Typical Trudeau comments like this are the most toxic, corrosive sentiment to national unity. How any leader could be so boldly manipulative and blatantly deceptive is difficult to understand. Without a doubt, Trudeau has made it his personal mission to obliterate any form of unity within this country.

He,s a globalist, you should expect nothing lsss than complete integration into globalism. One people one planet, one much improved method of working you to death faster than ever before.
 
gopher
No Party Affiliation
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another in a long list of Trudeau derangement syndrome threads

so far, no objection from the forum's far right
 
Jinentonix
No Party Affiliation
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Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

What matters is that the governments that we choose should reflect the make-up of the country. Alberta certainly shouldn't be excluded nor should she dominate the confederation in any way (nor should Quebec).

But it doesn't work that way. With the electoral system we have, pretty much anyone west of the ON-MB border and especially anyone west of the MB-SK border is basically voting to see who the Official Opposition will be. Or to put it bluntly, when it comes to voting for who will be PM, their votes are almost always meaningless.


There is one thing I always did wonder about though. During those moments when Quebec was voting on separation and we had a PM from Quebec, like Mulroney, if Quebec had decided to separate would that mean the sitting PM would no longer be the PM since his riding would no longer be in Canada? And what about the MPs from Quebec?
 
justlooking
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Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

But it doesn't work that way. With the electoral system we have, pretty much anyone west of the ON-MB border and especially anyone west of the MB-SK border is basically voting to see who the Official Opposition will be. Or to put it bluntly, when it comes to voting for who will be PM, their votes are almost always meaningless.


There is one thing I always did wonder about though. During those moments when Quebec was voting on separation and we had a PM from Quebec, like Mulroney, if Quebec had decided to separate would that mean the sitting PM would no longer be the PM since his riding would no longer be in Canada? And what about the MPs from Quebec?


They would delay things long enough to make sure ALL the Quebec MPs would 'move' to the ROC.




I dunno, was Western alienation really any better under Harper ?


Because changing the electoral system is such a bad idea, it's a non starter for me.


Hopefully Trudeau will show enough Liberal voters to finally never vote for them again.
He sure is trying hard enough.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
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The f*****G acorn doesn't fall far from the tree!
 
Johnnny
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Most helpful post:*The members here have rated* this post *as best reply.

Ontario is Canada.

Silly Westerners.
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by gopher View Post

another in a long list of Trudeau derangement syndrome threads

so far, no objection from the forum's far right

Ummmm...



Not to be difficult, but I don't think you get sensible Canadians at all...
 
Johnnny
No Party Affiliation
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Lol that was actually kinda funny Dan
 
Walter
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Quote: Originally Posted by justlooking View Post

They would delay things long enough to make sure ALL the Quebec MPs would 'move' to the ROC.




I dunno, was Western alienation really any better under Harper ?


Because changing the electoral system is such a bad idea, it's a non starter for me.


Hopefully Trudeau will show enough Liberal voters to finally never vote for them again.
He sure is trying hard enough.

Gubmint was better with Harper as PM.
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

How much of the Canadian population does Alberta represent?

I get 11%.

Now add in all the people that work in Alberta but live elsewhere. Economically Alberta is the driver and Quebec doesn't much like it.
Never elect a party whose leader comes from QUebec. It has proven to be disasterous for Canada.
 
Jinentonix
No Party Affiliation
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Now add in all the people that work in Alberta but live elsewhere. Economically Alberta is the driver and Quebec doesn't much like it.
Never elect a party whose leader comes from QUebec. It has proven to be disasterous for Canada.

Well, considering all but three PMs (If you count Kim Campbell) since I've been alive have been from Quebec that might prove a little difficult. Even ol' Moose Jaw was from Quebec.
 
Hoid
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This is obviously in response to Trump's tantrums at the G7 and NATO.
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
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Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Alberta's sense of entitlement is boundless.


Your narrow mindedness is sad.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
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Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

Gubmint was better with Harper as PM.

No shit Sherlock!

Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_Soldier View Post

Your narrow mindedness is sad.

And that's his good posts.

Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

Well, considering all but three PMs (If you count Kim Campbell) since I've been alive have been from Quebec that might prove a little difficult. Even ol' Moose Jaw was from Quebec.

I didn't think Paul Martin was too bad. Chretien was a good politician but he just beyond his realm of competence!
 
Hoid
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Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_Soldier View Post

Your narrow mindedness is sad.

does it take a wide mind to just accept that BC must allow Alberta to ship its crap through our province?

Is that what you are talking about or is this just a general observation on my lack of wideness?
 
White_Unifier
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Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

But it doesn't work that way. With the electoral system we have, pretty much anyone west of the ON-MB border and especially anyone west of the MB-SK border is basically voting to see who the Official Opposition will be. Or to put it bluntly, when it comes to voting for who will be PM, their votes are almost always meaningless.


There is one thing I always did wonder about though. During those moments when Quebec was voting on separation and we had a PM from Quebec, like Mulroney, if Quebec had decided to separate would that mean the sitting PM would no longer be the PM since his riding would no longer be in Canada? And what about the MPs from Quebec?

Good questions.

I guess any Canadian born prior to separation would keep a pan-Canadian citizenship. In other words, they'd all become citizens of Canada and Quebec even if he'd never visited Quebwc in his life.

Anyone born after separation would probably acquire either Quebec or Canadian (but not pan-Canadian) citizenship.

So the Quebec MP's, being born prior to separation, would still keep their pan-Canadian citizebship. But since their seats would be abolished, they'd lose their seats in Parliament.

At least that would seem to be the most logical outcome.
 
HeyBill
Liberal
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Hold on. Justin Trudeau's mother came from a Western Canadian political family.
 
White_Unifier
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Maybe it's time to fly the Canadian Red Ensign:
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/ca...-canadian.html