Open military to non citizens?


Hoid
#1
Canada continues to struggle to recruit people into its armed forces. Why?

Rather than answer that question the idea of recruiting non citizens into the forces is gaining some momentum. It works very well and many countries do it and always have. I was considering joining the Aussie air force at one point in the early 1990s. They were offering some good incentive to foreigners who were trained in certain areas and it was tempting.

IN Canada's case it is interesting that they have trouble recruiting in a economy where they should be flush with personnel. Why are they struggling?


Why are still at something like 16% female?

8% vis minority?

It is obvious that the military has not transformed itself for this century.

I would support foreign recruits. It would help and allow the mismanagement to continue unabated.
 
White_Unifier
#2
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Canada continues to struggle to recruit people into its armed forces. Why?

Rather than answer that question the idea of recruiting non citizens into the forces is gaining some momentum. It works very well and many countries do it and always have. I was considering joining the Aussie air force at one point in the early 1990s. They were offering some good incentive to foreigners who were trained in certain areas and it was tempting.

IN Canada's case it is interesting that they have trouble recruiting in a economy where they should be flush with personnel. Why are they struggling?


Why are still at something like 16% female?

8% vis minority?

It is obvious that the military has not transformed itself for this century.

I would support foreign recruits. It would help and allow the mismanagement to continue unabated.

I'd be in favour of allowing foreign recruits at least in principle.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#3
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Canada continues to struggle to recruit people into its armed forces. Why?

Rather than answer that question the idea of recruiting non citizens into the forces is gaining some momentum. It works very well and many countries do it and always have. I was considering joining the Aussie air force at one point in the early 1990s. They were offering some good incentive to foreigners who were trained in certain areas and it was tempting.

IN Canada's case it is interesting that they have trouble recruiting in a economy where they should be flush with personnel. Why are they struggling?


Why are still at something like 16% female?

8% vis minority?

It is obvious that the military has not transformed itself for this century.

I would support foreign recruits. It would help and allow the mismanagement to continue unabated.

The Canadian Forces are chronically short of recruits of all types and it is quite possible that it is the Canadian public that have not transformed themselves into seeing the necessity of my maintaining an independent military force. If we don't defend ourselves, we hand the keys over to someone else who will act in their own interests, not in ours. Most Canadians fail to "get it".
 
Hoid
+1
#4
That would make better sense if the canadian armed forces had anything to do with defending canada.
 
EagleSmack
+3
#5
I need to make some popcorn for this one... brb.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
+3
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

That would make better sense if the canadian armed forces had anything to do with defending canada.

What do you know about that?

And besides, you, John Q. Public, have allowed ... encouraged our defences to atrophy starting during the Pearson gov't, accelerating under Trudeau, as government policy during the Chretien years to the point where the Canadian Forces are no longer capable of defending us. l can't believe your argument. We should cut back the Forces into irrelevance because they are no longer relevant? Are you stunned?
Last edited by Curious Cdn; May 25th, 2018 at 10:37 AM..
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
+3
#7
I would support the Canadian forces if they would stay home to defend Canada but not to go overseas as an adjunct to the Yankees and Brits. They should be used to help out with natural disasters at home and to defend our borders but this helping the Yankees bomb the hell out of Libya and Afghanistan is phuked up.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
+1
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

I would support the Canadian forces if they would stay home to defend Canada but not to go overseas as an adjunct to the Yankees and Brits. They should be used to help out with natural disasters at home and to defend our borders but this helping the Yankees bomb the hell out of Libya and Afghanistan is phuked up.

We've given up a lot of control of our own. We sent our men and women into Afghanistan to pay off the defence tab that we had run up. It was either there or Iraq. If we defended ourselves, we would be calling our own shots. Colonies have Mother Britain/America ... whatever defending them. Grown up countries defend themselves.
 
EagleSmack
+1
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

I would support the Canadian forces if they would stay home to defend Canada but not to go overseas as an adjunct to the Yankees and Brits. They should be used to help out with natural disasters at home and to defend our borders but this helping the Yankees bomb the hell out of Libya and Afghanistan is phuked up.

Whoa whoa whoa Cliffy... don't pin the illegal war in Libya on the Yanks... Canada led the way on that ongoing disaster.

So please continue while I enjoy my tasty popcorn.
 
DaSleeper
+2
#10
Another stupid OP from Waldo with no supporting link...
And we're supposed to take his word for everything?
 
Hoid
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

I would support the Canadian forces if they would stay home to defend Canada but not to go overseas as an adjunct to the Yankees and Brits. They should be used to help out with natural disasters at home and to defend our borders but this helping the Yankees bomb the hell out of Libya and Afghanistan is phuked up.

It actually goes beyond this.

The armed forces is a drain on our resources to respond to national emergencies.

We could have a wing of water bombing aircraft for the price of our F18s. We would be world leaders in that field.

Instead we are non consequential players in geopolitics.

We ought to divorce our search and rescue / first response assets from the military, such that they do not have to compete with f18s for money and people.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
+1
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

It actually goes beyond this.

The armed forces is a drain on our resources to respond to national emergencies.

We could have a wing of water bombing aircraft for the price of our F18s. We would be world leaders in that field.

Instead we are non consequential players in geopolitics.

We ought to divorce our search and rescue / first response assets from the military, such that they do not have to compete with f18s for money and people.

Do you think that we should have a separate country? Imagine how much we could save by not having to maintain infrastructure that runs parallel to that of most of the rest of the continent. Governing ourselves is a drain on our resources.
 
EagleSmack
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Do you think that we should have a separate country? Imagine how much we could save by not having to maintain infrastructure that runs parallel to that of most of the rest of the continent. Governing ourselves is a drain on our resources.

da faq?
 
Hoid
#14
I believe we have long since surrendered our national defense to America. We might as well make the most of our protection-which is there whether we want it or not.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

I believe we have long since surrendered our national defense to America. We might as well make the most of our protection-which is there whether we want it or not.

Get out the white sheet, Monsieur Pétain.
 
Torch light
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Canada continues to struggle to recruit people into its armed forces. Why?

The reason is obvious: they want to sacrifice foreigners for the behalf of Canadians.
It means: Instead of the Canadian is in danger, it will be the foreigner in danger of killing or becoming handicapped.
While it is obvious, the Canadian government cannot be independent of the American.
If they are clever, and strong to be on the non-alignment, it will be excellent for them .. but it seems they may not be other than following the American submissively.
Last edited by Torch light; May 25th, 2018 at 04:47 PM..
 
Hoid
#17
If Canada is going to surrender to anyone America will do it for us
 
Tecumsehsbones
+2
#18
I think y'all should let polar bears enlist in your army.

I mean, dude, POLAR BEARS! That would kick SO MUCH ASS!
 
Torch light
#19
As the US biased to Tel Aviv, it will deteriorate.
Last edited by Torch light; May 25th, 2018 at 06:03 PM..
 
Tecumsehsbones
+1
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by Torch light View Post

As the US biased to Tel Aviv, it will deteriorate.

As we bomb your infrastructure, you will deteriorate.
 
White_Unifier
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

As we bomb your infrastructure, you will deteriorate.

Bombs aren't cheap. They hurt the national debt.
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
+1
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Canada continues to struggle to recruit people into its armed forces. Why?

Rather than answer that question the idea of recruiting non citizens into the forces is gaining some momentum. It works very well and many countries do it and always have. I was considering joining the Aussie air force at one point in the early 1990s. They were offering some good incentive to foreigners who were trained in certain areas and it was tempting.

IN Canada's case it is interesting that they have trouble recruiting in a economy where they should be flush with personnel. Why are they struggling?


Why are still at something like 16% female?

8% vis minority?

It is obvious that the military has not transformed itself for this century.

I would support foreign recruits. It would help and allow the mismanagement to continue unabated.

We have been doing this for decades. Not having much luck even though it is a guraunteed way to get citizenship. THey even let Quebecers in even though they don't speak English.

Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

It actually goes beyond this.

The armed forces is a drain on our resources to respond to national emergencies.

We could have a wing of water bombing aircraft for the price of our F18s. We would be world leaders in that field.

Instead we are non consequential players in geopolitics.

We ought to divorce our search and rescue / first response assets from the military, such that they do not have to compete with f18s for money and people.

Do tell, how do you propose to protect our boarders with no fighting aircraft.
Hey ES quit hogging the popcorn this is going to be good. I'm thinking of making some tea to go with it.

Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

As we bomb your infrastructure, you will deteriorate.

You would make those poor goats sleep out in the desert with no shed?

Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

Bombs aren't cheap. They hurt the national debt.

Made in Canada ones provide jobs. And votes.
 
WLDB
No Party Affiliation
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

We have been doing this for decades. Not having much luck even though it is a guraunteed way to get citizenship.

I knew Americans did that but didn’t know we did too. I have no problem with such a policy.
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
+5
#24  Top Rated Post
I love watching idiots who know nothing about our military give commentary on it, It's like watching an amoeba do bad comedy.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_Soldier View Post

I love watching idiots who know nothing about our military give commentary on it, It's like watching an amoeba do bad comedy.

Oh, yeah? Try saying that to the polar bears.

I'll send flowers.
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
#26
You'll have to wait till the kanuck is done eating the bear because he will be full for a while.

but then later, after he spits out the fur, he will likely want some desert.

[youtube]JsPIzRsUtlE[/youtube]

One on one soldier Tug of War, Canada vs USA

I see why you US guys put so much faith in big magazines.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by Danbones View Post

You'll have to wait till the kanuck is done eating the bear because he will be full for a while.

but then later, after he spits out the fur, he will likely want some desert.

[youtube]JsPIzRsUtlE[/youtube]

One on one soldier Tug of War, Canada vs USA

I see why you US guys put so much faith in big magazines.

The relish jars from Hell ...
 
Hoid
#28
all three jar heads who are getting kicked out over making the jacking off on the koran video are males.

The Ford campaign will probably scoop them up.
 
White_Unifier
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

all three jar heads who are getting kicked out over making the jacking off on the koran video are males.

The Ford campaign will probably scoop them up.

How does their sex relate to this? Let's say they'd been women sticking a Koran up their crotch, how would that have been any different?

Back on topic: the US, British, French, and other armed forces accept foreign recruits. Correct me if I'm wrong, but their forces seem to be doing just fine.
 
Hoid
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

How does their sex relate to this? Let's say they'd been women sticking a Koran up their crotch, how would that have been any different?

Back on topic: the US, British, French, and other armed forces accept foreign recruits. Correct me if I'm wrong, but their forces seem to be doing just fine.

It would have been somewhat less likely? Less predictable?

I believe everyone who has commented on this is for the idea. Even me.

The use of foreign born in the military is as old as the military. Certainly then Romans did it extensively.