LGBTQ Pride crosswalk in Lethbridge vandalized; third such incident in Alberta this m


Jinentonix
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Uh, so why do we need "Pride" crosswalks? Can only the "Pride" community use them? Is there a point to them or is it simply something that's temporary for Pride Week?

As for all this Pride shit, knock it off already. Being proud of an accident of birth is pathetic. Be proud of what you've accomplished as an individual person. Be proud of WHO you are, not what you are. If however you solely or predominantly define who you are as what you are, then it's not society that has the problem, it's you.
 
Corduroy
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Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

Uh, so why do we need "Pride" crosswalks?

We don't need them. Cities do all kinds of things to promote community. We don't "need" each specific thing but we do need community.

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Can only the "Pride" community use them?

Yes, but if you have a fragile grasp on your masculinity it might make you uncomfortable.
 
Serryah
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Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

Uh, so why do we need "Pride" crosswalks? Can only the "Pride" community use them? Is there a point to them or is it simply something that's temporary for Pride Week?

As for all this Pride shit, knock it off already. Being proud of an accident of birth is pathetic. Be proud of what you've accomplished as an individual person. Be proud of WHO you are, not what you are. If however you solely or predominantly define who you are as what you are, then it's not society that has the problem, it's you.

You totally don't get Pride, do you?
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

Uh, so why do we need "Pride" crosswalks? Can only the "Pride" community use them? Is there a point to them or is it simply something that's temporary for Pride Week?

Why do we need hockey? Is demonstrable need your standard for having anything, or do you only apply that to things you hate?

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As for all this Pride shit, knock it off already. Being proud of an accident of birth is pathetic. Be proud of what you've accomplished as an individual person. Be proud of WHO you are, not what you are. If however you solely or predominantly define who you are as what you are, then it's not society that has the problem, it's you.

Are you proud to be Canadian? A man? Of whatever heritage you are?
 
Jinentonix
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Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

You totally don't get Pride, do you?

Yeah, actually I do. I can also tell right off you're coming at me with the assumption I take issue with people who are LGBTQ.
 
Corduroy
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No assuming required. You're taking issue with them in this very thread. It's a short thread so far. Right at the top. See? You taking issue. Right there. Issue taken.
 
White_Unifier
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Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Why do we need hockey? Is demonstrable need your standard for having anything, or do you only apply that to things you hate?


Are you proud to be Canadian? A man? Of whatever heritage you are?

My nationality, gender, and ethnic background are accidents of birth.
 
Corduroy
#9
Usually the accident is conception.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

My nationality, gender, and ethnic background are accidents of birth.

Congratulations. You show a remarkable grasp of the patently obvious.
 
Jinentonix
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Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Why do we need hockey? Is demonstrable need your standard for having anything, or do you only apply that to things you hate?


Are you proud to be Canadian? A man? Of whatever heritage you are?

I knew this one was going to come up. And guess what, I'm not "proud" to be Canadian. Why should I be? It's not like I accomplished anything to be one, it was an accident of birth and nothing more. To be honest, it carries a lot more weight to me when someone who emigrated to Canada tells me they're proud to be Canadian than when some White bread who was born here says it.
I have often said though that I'm lucky to be Canadian, although not nearly as frequently since Nov 2015
That however doesn't automatically preclude that I'm not proud of Canada as a nation and its accomplishments.

Being proud of your ethnicity, nationality of birth, gender/gender identity, skin colour or whatever is silly if that's your primary reason for being proud of yourself. It's like being proud you won the lottery. Actually, if you won the lottery you'd have more reason to be proud simply because you did something, like buy a ticket. Being born whatever you are has nothing to with anything you did. The whole concept of group pride is just more politics of division.
Let's use yourself as an example. You're Native American and you are/were a lawyer as you claim. Which of those two things is actually an accomplishment deserving of personal pride?
I'm a hetero, White, Canadian male. For some, that's equivalent to winning the human lottery and their primary source of pride. For me it's four coincidences of good fortune that I had nothing to do with. The four combined certainly don't give me the sort of pride I have from earning my CPL and doing something positive with it besides lining my pockets.

If we spent more time reflecting on who we are instead of what we are, there'd be less need to "fix" society.
 
Corduroy
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What's the difference between who we are and what we are?
 
Hoof Hearted
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The LGBTQ battle cry is "We're just like you!" isn't it?

Then why the need for rainbow flags and special crosswalks? Just be who you are and go about your business. Nobody likes a show off. I think this is where some of the resentment festers to be honest...openly flaunting your sexual preferences and lifestyle.
 
Jinentonix
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Quote: Originally Posted by Corduroy View Post

No assuming required. You're taking issue with them in this very thread. It's a short thread so far. Right at the top. See? You taking issue. Right there. Issue taken.

Survey says? BZZZZZZ You mistake an organization for individuals. Tell ya what, when you take the personal time and expense to fly someone not related to you over 1500 miles for gender reassignment surgery, then you can try and tell me I take issue with them. I take issue with "Pride" movements in general. You do realize it's possible to mentally compartmentalize individuals from organizations, right?
I take issue with BLMTO. Does that mean I have an issue with Black Canadians? I take issue with groups like the KKK. Does that mean I take issue with White people?
 
Hoof Hearted
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I take issue with BLT's...

I don't like tomatoes. They make me break out in hives.

To be honest though, seeing a Pride parade float go by with a 300lb hairy dude in a thong gyrating his wiener at the crowd isn't very pleasant.
 
Corduroy
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Quote: Originally Posted by Hoof Hearted View Post

The LGBTQ battle cry is "We're just like you!" isn't it?

Then why the need for rainbow flags and special crosswalks? Just be who you are and go about your business. Nobody likes a show off. I think this is where some of the resentment festers to be honest...openly flaunting your sexual preferences and lifestyle.


Pride is a defiance of oppression, historical and current. The LGBTQ battle cry isn't "We're just like you". It's "We're here. We're queer. Get used to it".
 
Hoof Hearted
#17
Okay,

But their mantra always seems to be , "We're just like you". And if this is truly the case, then why the need for all of this preferential treatment?

By the way, they hijacked one of nature's symbols...the rainbow...which kinda irks me.
 
Corduroy
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Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

Survey says? BZZZZZZ You mistake an organization for individuals.

And yet none of your criticisms are directed at any organization but directed at individuals. You wrote a lot of about how it's "silly" and "pathetic" to be proud of your identity.

Quote: Originally Posted by Hoof Hearted View Post

Okay,

But their mantra always seems to be , "We're just like you". And if this is truly the case, then why the need for all of this preferential treatment?

What preferential treatment? You mean having parades and sidewalks painted?

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By the way, they hijacked one of nature's symbols...the rainbow...which kinda irks me.

Why?
 
Hoof Hearted
#19
I bet the LGBTQ community would vandalize a heterosexual-only crosswalk...or at least demand that it be shut down.
 
coldstream
#20
I guess a few people still view the Pride of Sodomy as an abomination, and don't want their children force fed with a lot of debauched nonsense as 'Truth'. These days its far more likely to happen in Lethbridge than Toronto, which fancies itself the sodomy capital of the world and has become ever so 'inclusive' and intolerant of religious sensibilities.
Last edited by coldstream; Jun 16th, 2017 at 01:30 PM..
 
Hoof Hearted
#21
I always tell my little daughters, it's Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. They think this is funny. My girls have crushes on boys in their class. If they preferred girls, I'd accept that and go along with it. I'm not a fussy fusspot when it comes to this stuff.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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#22
Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

I knew this one was going to come up. And guess what, I'm not "proud" to be Canadian. Why should I be? It's not like I accomplished anything to be one, it was an accident of birth and nothing more. To be honest, it carries a lot more weight to me when someone who emigrated to Canada tells me they're proud to be Canadian than when some White bread who was born here says it.
I have often said though that I'm lucky to be Canadian, although not nearly as frequently since Nov 2015
That however doesn't automatically preclude that I'm not proud of Canada as a nation and its accomplishments.

Being proud of your ethnicity, nationality of birth, gender/gender identity, skin colour or whatever is silly if that's your primary reason for being proud of yourself. It's like being proud you won the lottery. Actually, if you won the lottery you'd have more reason to be proud simply because you did something, like buy a ticket. Being born whatever you are has nothing to with anything you did. The whole concept of group pride is just more politics of division.
Let's use yourself as an example. You're Native American and you are/were a lawyer as you claim. Which of those two things is actually an accomplishment deserving of personal pride?
I'm a hetero, White, Canadian male. For some, that's equivalent to winning the human lottery and their primary source of pride. For me it's four coincidences of good fortune that I had nothing to do with. The four combined certainly don't give me the sort of pride I have from earning my CPL and doing something positive with it besides lining my pockets.

If we spent more time reflecting on who we are instead of what we are, there'd be less need to "fix" society.

I actually agree with you. I was just testing for hypocrisy.

You passed.
 
Jinentonix
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Quote: Originally Posted by Corduroy View Post

What's the difference between who we are and what we are?

Who you are is defined more by what you do and is essentially based on your personal actions, achievements and/or accomplishments, or lack thereof . What you are is defined more by which group(s) you identify with as your primary source of pride, be they racial/ethnic, social, employment-based, gender-based, etc.

Basically, who you are is very individual. What you are is very group think.

Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

I actually agree with you. I was just testing for hypocrisy.

You passed.

Hell, I don't even celebrate birthdays. A) Being born was your mother's accomplishment, not yours.
B) "Surviving" another year in a first world country isn't really that much of an accomplishment unless you're a moron with no impulse control or risk assessment skills.
 
Hoof Hearted
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Corduroy,

I believe taxpayer-funded Pride parades is preferential treatment.

And the Rainbow is for everyone...children and adults of all shapes and colours...NOT exclusively for the LBGTQ community.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

Who you are is defined more by what you do and is essentially based on your personal actions, achievements and/or accomplishments, or lack thereof . What you are is defined more by which group(s) you identify with as your primary source of pride, be they racial/ethnic, social, employment-based, gender-based, etc.

Basically, who you are is very individual. What you are is very group think.


Hell, I don't even celebrate birthdays. A) Being born was your mother's accomplishment, not yours.
B) "Surviving" another year in a first world country isn't really that much of an accomplishment unless you're a moron with no impulse control or risk assessment skills.

Yep. I value my ancestry, I support and sympathize with my people. But I take pride in my military service, my education, and my achievements.
 
Corduroy
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Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

Who you are is defined more by what you do and is essentially based on your personal actions, achievements and/or accomplishments, or lack thereof . What you are is defined more by which group(s) you identify with as your primary source of pride, be they racial/ethnic, social, employment-based, gender-based, etc.

Basically, who you are is very individual. What you are is very group think.

Sounds like you just made that up. You defined "what you are" as an action: "which group you identify with". But you defined "who you are" as what you do, i.e. actions. So if "what you do" is identify yourself, then the "who you are" and the "what you are" are the same.The whole thing is contradictory and arbitrary. Arbitrary to suit your needless distinction between who and what.

But amazingly you did manage to explain the purpose of Pride. The first Pride started as a riot and protest against oppression. It's been more accepted, but as so many around here will demonstrate, there is still oppression and hate. Pride is an achievement. Coming out in a society that hates you, wants you shut out or murdered, is an achievement. Pride is a celebration of that achievement and a continued defiance in the face of oppression. LGBTQ people are proud of who are they are in opposition to the shame the hatefilled try to impose on them.
 
White_Unifier
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I'd take 'who' to be identifying, something that distinguishes me from everyone else. I'd take what in physical terms. I'm human, homo sapiens.
 
Hoof Hearted
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And how come in Porn, lesbians are always BOTH hotties, but in real life one is always okay looking while the other one usually looks like Bruno Gerussi.

 
darkbeaver
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Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

You totally don't get Pride, do you?

I do get pride, it is part of the disinformation programe infecting the west to fracture social and cultural order. It has no other function but to divide radicalize and break the populace thus preparing them for big brothers total benevolent rule. Confusion is harmony, perversion is wholesome. Satanic vaccination of the proles, preparation for the forthcoming hightest order out of regular order it is hoped by Pope Debt the 22nd.
 
Danbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by Hoof Hearted View Post

And how come in Porn, lesbians are always BOTH hotties, but in real life one is always okay looking while the other one usually looks like Bruno Gerussi.

Well, being the film biz in Canada back then was pretty liberal, that would explain Bruno's constant use of the theatrical mustache
 

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