Trans Mountain ‘pipeline is going to get built’: Trudeau dismisses B.C.’s bitumen ban


spilledthebeer
+1
#1351
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Don't forget all the taxes to be removed for that $0.12/gallon, and in Alberta not 1 Social program would be financed without the tax, never mind the low income kickback from the Carbon tax you said you enjoy.

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Notley unhappy no appeal on Trans Mountain


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THus far- Our idiot Boy Justin and his loser LIE-berals are getting exactly what they want from the pipeline "approval process"!!!!!!!!!





LIE-berals are getting the ENDLESS DELAYS that they desire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals have spent $4.7 billion dollars to demonstrate to the oil industry how serious they are about KILLING the Cdn oil patch!!!!!


LIE-berals are deadly serious about making Canada carbon free in a matter of a few years- REGARDLESS of whether there is ANY practical alternatives to oil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


How big a mess are LIE-berals prepared to make of our lives and our economy?


Just consider the mess made over a simple thing like location of wind turbines- as described below!!!!!!!!!!!!



Here is an article illustrating why Wynne-bag LIE-berals were not fit to govern. With some comments of my own in brackets):

Plan to put wind turbine next to airport 'crazy'! Collingwood council has no say in placement!

By Christina Blizzard, Queen's Park Columnist

First posted: Thursday, March 17, 2016 09:22 PM EDT | Updated: Thursday, March 17, 2016 09:23 PM EDT

Related stories:
An ill-wind in Ontario
Wind turbines generate trouble for two Ontario airports
Fraser report seeks end to wind turbines
Queen's University professor disputes wind turbine report

If you think flying by the seat of your pants is dangerous, just try flying through a forest of giant wind turbines.

That’s what’s planned for the flight path of Collingwood Regional Airport, and their local MPP is outraged.

The province recently gave wind energy company Wpd Canada approval to build eight 152-metre turbines. One is just 2.1 nautical miles from the end of the runway — just seconds after take-off and seconds before landing.

(LIE-beral lust for grvy is apparently so all consuming they are prepared to risk peoples LIVES rather than admit ANY fault in their mouldy green energy plans!)

Simcoe-Grey MPP Jim Wilson says the turbines were pushed through over the objections of the local council, which has no say over where they’re located.

“People here are in shock,” Wilson said in an interview.

“I get asked on the street, I get asked by councillors, I get asked by people at the airport, ‘Are the government really crazy? Are they really going to do this?’”

The Green Energy Act has taken away all power from local municipalities when it comes to siting turbines.

(And so what if somebody in a malfunctioning small plane gets chopped by a wind turbine while drifting off course! And why worry if that chopped plane then belly flops into your HOUSE?)

“It’s not a matter of ‘if’ someone gets killed, it’s ‘when’ someone gets killed,” said Wilson. He said a flight school at the airport may be forced to close.

(Frankly I think that limiting the number of amateur pilots wandering about taking in the scenery and burning gas for fun would be a good thing for the environment- but using wind turbines to slice and dice the frivolous use of fossil fuel in small planes is NOT the best way to save the environment!)

He’s planning to bring a private member’s bill asking the government to restore local autonomy when it comes to the placement of turbines.

“Transport Canada doesn’t have any rules for this because they didn’t think any government in Canada would be stupid enough to allow 152-metre wind turbines near airports,” he explained.

“We’re the only jurisdiction in Canada that doesn’t have that authority any longer.”

He says it’s not too late to stop the project.

Collingwood Regional Airport board has said it’s not against wind turbines — it just doesn’t want them at the end of their only runway.

(The LIE-berals are so mesmerized by mouldy green gravy that they FORCED this matter into court- and then got CAUGHT MEDDLING with expert witnesses! LIE -berals LOVE dragging their crap into court were they can use poisoned and twisted interpretations of our badly flawed constitution- written by the vile Pierre Trudeau- to try to bully opponents with LIE-beral bafflegab! Our LIE-beral constitution would not exist without the “not withstanding clause” that protects us from LIE-beral Ottawa dictators!)

“Transport Canada’s comment was if it gets bad, change your approach procedure and if it gets really bad, close the runway,” Wilson said.

“There’s only one runway.”

If the turbines go in, Wilson predicts the airport is doomed. That will have a huge economic impact on development of the popular resort area.

There’s a multimillion-dollar plan to expand the aviation business at the airport, but he’s been told that’s in jeopardy because the airport will be ruined.

A spokesman for Wpd Group, a German-based company with offices in Mississauga, says they’ve worked with an aviation consultant since 2010 and will comply with all Transport Canada requirements.

(Ford govt is right to kill off as much of the wildly costly and irresponsible LIE-beral mouldy green energy scam as is legally possible! Contracts have been signed and they cannot be cancelled- but they SHOULD NOT BE RENEWED! Let these scandalously costly LIE-beral deals stand or fall on their own merit! Spain and Germany have both invested heavily in mouldy green energy and are now regretting it!)

(Spain, Ontari-owe and Germany have found the same fact- that mouldy green energy is so UNRELIABLE that it must have CONSTANT back up from other sources of electrical generation! In Ontari-owe- for every kilowatt hour of mouldy green energy we generate- there is a natural gas fired generator kept FULLY fired up and ready to taker over at a moments notice when the wind stops blowing or the sun does not shine on the mouldy green power sources!)

(Yes- in order to have that moudly green energy available at LUDICROUS extra cost- since LIE-berals DO like to hand out gravy to their pals- and mouldy green costs up to NINE TIMES MORE than the price for other forms of generation- we MUST ALSO keep an entire fleet of natural gas plants fully manned and ready- 24/7 just in case of need! We PAY to run TWO FULL electrical systems- but only use one- just so LIE-beral pals who own the mouldy green power can get LOTS of GRAVY!)

“We had questions regarding the proximity to the airport and whether that would raise issues,” Kevin Surette said.

(The issue was such that the judge sided with airport officials!)

Rural Ontario has suffered a double-whammy from green energy. Whammy No. 1 was having ugly turbines foisted on them. Whammy No. 2 is that many rural agricultural businesses rely on cheap electricity. And green energy has sent their bills skyrocketing.

Wilson says pilots he’s talked to say putting the turbines so close to the airport is madness.

Clearview has declared itself an unwilling host for turbines — but they’re getting them anyway.

Talk about a wing and a prayer.

That’s what you’ll need if you’re flying into Collingwood. Make that more prayer than wing.

(And now here are some excuses supplied by senior LIE-berals

WHAT THEY SAID:

• A spokesman for Minister of Energy and Climate Change Glen Murray said the turbines were approved after “the most comprehensive reviews.”

“Ministry technical experts worked with the proponent and regulatory agencies to ensure any concerns about the proposed layout of turbines near the airport and an aerodrome were considered and meet all regulatory agency requirements to reduce any risk to aviation activities,” Gary Wheeler said.

• Wpd spokesman Kevin Surette: “There are conditions that we have to abide by to ensure that aviation safety continues to be number one.

“We do have to conform with Transport Canada’s requirements in terms of lighting and in terms of the colour of the turbines.

“There have been studies done internationally on lighting and on the colour of the structures. We will meet those.”

• From an economic impact study by Malone, Given, Parsons for Clearview Township, principal John Genest said: “Approval of the current Wpd Turbine Project would be fatal to business expansion, such that, on balance, the offending turbines should be moved or Wpd’s Renewable Energy Act Application denied.”

CONDITIONS PLACED ON WPD CANADA:

—Hire an independent aeronautical consultant to recommend mitigation measures are met.

—Follow NAV Canada’s construction notification requirements.

—Meet the ministry’s noise limits and carry out noise audits.

—Create a community liaison committee with members from the public.

—Enter into an agreement on road use with the municipality.

(And of course when the matter went to trial- LIE-berals got caught out meddling with which expert witnesses would be available to testify! The LIE-beral track record on anything related to truth and honest dealing is UTTERLY SHAMELESS!)
 
Hoid
#1352
Transmountain shut down in Surrey for leakage of some sort. Strong smell of gas.

For Surrey that's a vast improvement.
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#1353
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Transmountain shut down in Surrey for leakage of some sort. Strong smell of gas.

For Surrey that's a vast improvement.


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Gosh Hoid..........are you saying the locals prefer the smell of sewage being dumped into the ocean over the smell of gas???????????????/
 
pgs
Free Thinker
+1
#1354
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

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Gosh Hoid..........are you saying the locals prefer the smell of sewage being dumped into the ocean over the smell of gas???????????????/

Hey we aren’t Victoria , we have sewage treatment .
 
pgs
Free Thinker
+3
#1355
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Transmountain shut down in Surrey for leakage of some sort. Strong smell of gas.

For Surrey that's a vast improvement.

Turns out it is a residential leak and has nothing to do with Trans Mountain , sorry to ruin your day .
 
spilledthebeer
#1356
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Turns out it is a residential leak and has nothing to do with Trans Mountain , sorry to ruin your day .


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Oh.......then all that evidence of SEWAGE in the Fraser River is WRONG???????????????????


And LIE-berals will soon be taking down all the NO SWIMMING signs????????????????????



And you would be WILLING to drink that water straight out of the river?????????????????????


I would like to see that LIE-beral shit show!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Mowich
Conservative
+2
#1357
Gwyn Morgan: The Liberals’ pipeline plan is for more hopeless consultations and useless studies

For the second time in two years, three judges with the Federal Court of Appeal struck down a crucially important oil export pipeline project that had undergone years of regulatory review, a decision that Ottawa now says it refuses to appeal.

The Harper government’s approval of Northern Gateway was struck down in 2016 after Enbridge spent half-a-billion dollars on a massive six-year review and Aboriginal consultation process. Now the Trans Mountain expansion, approved after a billion-dollar expenditure by Kinder Morgan, and since purchased by the federal government, has met the same fate.

It’s bad enough that a private company can’t get a fully approved infrastructure project done, but can you think of any other country in the world where three judges can overrule the ability of a national government to exercise its constitutional right to build its own project? And, in both cases, those judges based their decision on dubious conclusions that veer from objective legal analysis into nuanced opinions seemingly designed to justify their preconceived biases.

At the heart of both decisions, the panel concluded that the government’s consultations with First Nations had been “inadequate.” Yet here is a summary of some of the consultations that took place prior to the approval of the Trans Mountain expansion by the federal government:

During the period from project announcement in May 2012 until commencement of the National Energy Board (NEB) hearing in December 2013, Kinder Morgan engaged with some 130 Indigenous communities.

During the hearing, the company responded to seven rounds of information requests including 400 from the NEB and 17,000 from intervenors.

131 Indigenous groups participated in the main hearing process and there was a separate oral hearing of traditional Aboriginal evidence along with an oral argument about the project impact.

In May 2016, four years after project announcement, the NEB sent the project to the Governor-in-Council. Citing a duty to “deepen” consultation, the government then proceeded with a direct consultation process including several cabinet ministers and involving 117 Indigenous communities.


The government shared its assessments of Indigenous claims with affected communities and compiled a Crown Consultation Report that provided a summary of each group’s concerns and proposals for accommodation.

Finally, a Ministerial Panel Report was prepared, and the prime minister announced his government’s approval of the project. The NEB issued its certificate of Public Convenience and Necessity on Dec. 1, 2016.

The panel that struck-down the Trans Mountain approval acknowledged that consultations had been extensive but decided that the government had not responded “meaningfully” to them, including offering potential accommodation measures. But how many accommodations can possibly be made for a pipeline following a route along roughly the same right of way as the currently operating one? And how do you “accommodate” those whose avowed purpose is simply to stop the project?

Ironically, this decision comes after the Trudeau government had devised a consultation process specifically designed to correct what they termed the Harper government’s “mistakes” that led to the court’s denial of Northern Gateway. What the court has done is move the already extremely difficult goal posts set by the previous panel to where the “adequacy” of any degree of Aboriginal consultation is impossible to predict. This is sure to repel any company from pursuing resource projects near the so-called “traditional lands” that encompass virtually every square inch of B.C. and large parts of the rest of Canada.

The second reason cited by the judges for quashing the Trans Mountain approval was what they called the NEB’s “critical error” of failing to include the impact of increased ship traffic on endangered orcas inhabiting the region’s waters. But the facts paint a very different picture.

Due to the proximity of Seattle, Wash. to the Vancouver region — where Trans Mountain terminates — an analysis of tanker movements in the whale’s habitat must include both Canadian and American traffic. Essentially all tankers must transit the Strait of Juan de Fuca bordered to the north by Vancouver Island and to the south by Washington State.

Every year, some 1,300 oil tankers, tug-pulled petroleum barges and industrial chemical carriers travel through the Strait of Juan de Fuca before entering the inland waters of the Salish Sea. The Canadian traffic turns north towards Vancouver and the American traffic goes south towards Seattle.

But that’s just tanker traffic. Orcas may be remarkably intelligent, but they can’t detect the difference between tankers and other large ships. Each year, some 10,000 large commercial cargo ships travel those same waters, too. And even that isn’t the whole story. During the May to September tourist season, hundreds of huge cruise ships visit Vancouver. Adding to that are the thousands of BC Ferry vessels that travel the Salish Sea, plus tens of thousands of recreational boats. Meanwhile, the Trans Mountain project would add one ship per day. You read that right: One. Ship. A. Day.

The NEB should instead be applauded for not wasting taxpayer money doing a major study of the obvious fact that one more ship among so many others will have no reasonable impact on the orcas’ lifestyle. But now, while the Trudeau government announced Wednesday it would not appeal the Federal Court ruling to the Supreme Court, it has ordered the NEB to study the orca question over 22 weeks.

How much will yet another six-month project delay cost the Canadian economy? Lack of access to offshore markets means U.S. refiners are buying Canadian oil at a deep captive-market discount. That discount has long been costing the industry and governments some $15 billion per year. It has now grown to some $50 million a day. Even in the unlikely event that construction restarts immediately after that 22-week delay, another $8 billion in price discounts will have been handed to Americans as they consume cheap Canadian oil and export their own production overseas at world prices.

On Wednesday, the Liberal government announced it has appointed former Supreme Court justice Frank Iacobucci to oversee a whole new process of “meaningful consultation” with the 117 Aboriginal groups who count themselves affected by the Trans Mountain expansion. Rather than a useless study and another attempt to satisfy the court’s endlessly amorphous standards of “adequate” consultations, the Trudeau Liberals should have called back Parliament early to pass a bill implementing the national government’s constitutional right to carry out projects that are in the national interest.

Business capital investment is crucial to the jobs of the future. In the period since the Trudeau Liberals took office, the proportion of capital investment in the economy has collapsed to a 40-year low. That was before this devastating court decision and the government’s inept response. Our country’s international reputation has deteriorated from a credible nation that “punches above it weight” to one governed by lightweights more fixated on political correctness than on getting their own national projects built. Canadians should be very worried.

https://business.financialpost.com/o...seless-studies
 
Decapoda
+3
#1358
Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post

How much will yet another six-month project delay cost the Canadian economy? Lack of access to offshore markets means U.S. refiners are buying Canadian oil at a deep captive-market discount. That discount has long been costing the industry and governments some $15 billion per year. It has now grown to some $50 million a day. Even in the unlikely event that construction restarts immediately after that 22-week delay, another $8 billion in price discounts will have been handed to Americans as they consume cheap Canadian oil and export their own production overseas at world prices.

On Oct. 9, the price differential between West Texas Intermediate (WTI) and Western Canadian Select (WCS) hit US$45.50 per barrel, according to the Daily Oil Bulletin.

One barrel of WTI was trading for US$74.34 per barrel while a barrel of WCS traded for an implied value of US$28.84 for the November 2018 price.

That means that WCS was selling for just 38.9 per cent of WTI, or a 61.2 per cent discount.

The differential is even more stark when Western Canadian Select is compared to Brent, the global benchmark for oil. With Brent coming in at US$84.16, WCS was trading at a US$55.32 differential per barrel, or a 65.7 per cent discount to the world price.
https://www.jwnenergy.com/article/20...-and-soybeans/

Unreal.
 
Hoid
#1359
nobody wants that shit
 
Decapoda
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#1360
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

nobody wants that shit

The US does, and they want to do everything in their power to keep our price as discounted as possible. Cheap oil from Canada means they can sell their oil to international buyers at mean market price and make a tidy profit at our expense. How we can allow their special interest groups to have such influence our sovereign economic policies and our natural resource market is stunning.

We are being taken for such chumps in this country, and shitty, hypocritical attitudes like yours are driving the self-inflicted pain.
 
Hoid
#1361
The price of Canadian oil has nothing to do with the price that Americans can sell their oil for.
 
MHz
#1362
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Don't forget all the taxes to be removed for that $0.12/gallon, and in Alberta not 1 Social program would be financed without the tax, never mind the low income kickback from the Carbon tax you said you enjoy.

LINK



Notley unhappy no appeal on Trans Mountain

Must piss Ontario and Quebec off that Albertains are stealing their own money that should be going to those 2 failed Provinces
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+1
#1363
Metro Vancouver could see 8-cent gas price hike after pipeline explosion: analyst

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Metro Vancouver motorists could see prices at the pump hit a record high by Saturday, according to one industry analyst.
Dan McTeague with Gasbuddy.com said the anticipated soaring fuel prices are yet another byproduct of a natural gas pipeline explosion near Prince George.
That's because three out of four Washington State refineries have been forced to curtail production, he said.
READ MORE: Gas prices expected to drop in Metro Vancouver next week: analyst
"All of them use natural gas from Canada to co-generate and use as feedstock to run the refineries, in other words, to turn crude into gasoline," said McTeague.
According to McTeague, a four-cent-per-litre price hike will arrive on Friday, and a second four-cent hike could happen on Saturday.
"We could see potentially $1.659 here in Vancouver," McTeague said. "[It] could be a new record if it comes to pass."
McTeague said the second hike is not a certainty, and that it will depend on the supply of natural gas available to refineries.
Ironically, McTeague said gas prices for Metro Vancouver had actually been trending downward before the explosion, with wholesale fuel prices dipping across North America.
McTeague said how long the price at the pump stays elevated will depend on how long it takes for natural gas pipeline operations to resume.

 
MHz
#1364
https://sputniknews.com/business/201...-us-lng-trump/
The Trump administration has shot itself in the foot by tightening the screws in the US-China tariff war: Beijing is turning its back on American liquefied natural gas (LNG) in response to Washington's third round of tariffs. The move is especially painful for the US, as it had projected to jump on the bandwagon of the booming Asian gas market.

It appears that China has found the US' sore spot: Beijing has dramatically diminished the acquisition of American liquefied natural gas (LNG) while US crude oil shipments to the country have completely stopped in recent weeks, according to China Merchants Energy Shipping Co (CMES).
The main reason behind China's change of heart is Donald Trump's trade war on the country.
Starting from September 24, US President Donald Trump imposed tariffs on $200 billion more in Chinese goods, marking the third round of the Sino-American tariff spat. Beijing's response wasn't long in coming: China retaliated with levies on $60 billion in American goods, including a 10-percent tariff on the US LNG.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#1365
'Is this gonna blow up?' Fear, questions from B.C. First Nation after pipeline explosion
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Members of the Lheidli T'enneh First Nation near Prince George in central B.C. say they're worried after homes were rocked by a pipeline explosion Tuesday, despite assurances from Enbridge — the company that owns the pipeline — that safety is its top priority.
Phyllis Seymour said her entire house shook when the natural gas line exploded at about 5:45 pm PST. She thought it was thunder until she looked out the window to see flames shooting into the air.
"To see that big fireball, it was so scary," she said. "You wouldn't even believe it was happening."
Roughly 100 residents of the reserve land north of the Fraser River fled to Prince George, 13 kilometres away, following the explosion. Though they were given the all-clear to go home within hours, many chose to spend the night in hotels, unwilling to take any risks.
Returning home Wednesday, Seymour said she still felt uneasy.
'I'll be scared to go to bed tonight.' - Phyllis Seymour, Lheidli T'enneh member
"Like, is this gonna blow up?" she asked, gesturing to pipeline apparatus alongside the road leading to her home. "I'll be scared to go to bed tonight."
So far, little is known about what caused the incident except that there was a rupture on a 36-inch natural gas transmission line owned by Enbridge. The line is part of a system that transports natural gas from northeastern B.C. south to the Lower Mainland and some customers in the United States.
Police have ruled out a criminal cause, leaving the investigation in the hands of the Transportation Safety Board, the National Energy Board and Enbridge to determine what went wrong.
The initial fieldwork is expected to be complete within days, while the full investigation will extend over several weeks, leaving people who live near the site of the explosion with unanswered questions about what happened, and the integrity of the pipelines that pass near their homes.
'We need to understand what happened here and how we can make sure it doesn't happen again.' - Michele Harradence, Enbridge
"I am concerned, I've always been concerned," said Violet Bazoki, who wasn't home when the explosion happened, but could see the smoke from over 30 kilometres away.
Bazoki recalled a meeting of band members earlier in the year in which another resident asked if there was any risk of the pipeline exploding.
"[Now] something did happen," she said.
National Energy Board chief engineer Iain Colquhoun explained his organization's role is to make sure Enbridge is handling the situation properly, as well as ensuring no other pipelines in the area are at risk. The board has already determined that a nearby 30-inch pipeline — which was shut down Tuesday as a precaution — is safe. It has allowed gas to flow through it once again.
Speaking from Calgary, Colquhoun said the last recorded pipeline rupture and explosion in Canada was in 2013.
"It's quite an unusual event," he said.
Likewise, Lheidli T'enneh Chief Dominic Frederick said he wasn't particularly worried Tuesday's explosion would be repeated.
"[The pipelines] have been there for over sixty years," he said. "We've never had any concerns until now."
Michele Harradence, a senior vice president with Enbridge, said she held herself personally accountable for the safety of the pipeline and those around it.
"It's very understandable that folks are concerned, I don't blame them," she said. "It's extremely distressing to see something like this."
Harradence said the company regularly inspects its pipelines and was concerned the rupture occurred despite those safety measures.
"We need to understand what happened here and how we can make sure it doesn't happen again," she said.

 
spilledthebeer
#1366
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

The price of Canadian oil has nothing to do with the price that Americans can sell their oil for.


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THANK YOU HOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You finally said something clever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The price of Cdn oil has NOTHING to do with the price of oil within United States borders - since it is a completely different type of market - compared to China!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The price of oil and natural gas in places like CHINA are what we need to consider- since the prices there are HIGHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




And...............here is a fun thought:::::


The sooner we sell off all our oil- the easier it will be for LIE-berals to force us into their electric TOY cars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Our idiot Boy Justin has told us he wants to completely shut down the Cdn oil patch - with NO REALISTIC alternatives in place!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals want to shut off the oil WITHOUT ANY PREPARATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals will shut off the oil and produce TOTAL CDN ECONOMIC CHAOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


How will people get to work?????????????????????


How will the heat their offices????????????????????????


How will unemployed people pay to convert their homes to use electricity from natural gas?????????????????????


What will happen to all those natural gas appliances that have become COSTLY SCRAP as there is no longer any fuel for them thanks to LIE-beral meddling??????????????


WE are now enduring several days of stock market upheaval with investors getting very nervous- and it does not help that various authorities have recently being critical of the LACK of new legislation designed but not implemented- to prevent another 2008 style market crash!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In these few days- the price of "shred steel" - the lowest value version of scrap steel- has plummeted from $225.00 per tonne to $175.00 per tonne!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


This too is part of the trade war that is limiting Chinese efforts to buy masses of modern weapons with which to challenge United states!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Less trade with China means LESS weapons for Red Army!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


A hundred years from now historians will note that Trump did MORE to promote peace than the current generation is willing to admit!!!!!!!!


LIE-beral planning in ALL THINGS is SO SHODDY and selfish they are NOT preparing for the future in any way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Cdn LIE-berals such as Our idiot Boy Justin want us to DISARM while China and Russia and Iran TAKE OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!



If LIE-berals really want us to live life without ANY OIL then should they not be building MANY SUBWAYS with those diesel powered machines.......BEFORE the supply of diesel fuel is GONE????????????????



LIE-berals have the attention span of fruit flies........and the moral backbone of jelly fish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+1
#1367
Somebody clued in

B.C. researcher argues anti-Alberta oil campaigns about protecting U.S. interests, not environment

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Anti-oil campaigns have called Alberta's industry "the tar sands," "Alberta's dirty oil" and "Canada's most embarrassing secret."
But during an interview with Global Edmonton anchor Jennifer Crosby on Monday, a British Columbia researcher said the campaign against Alberta oil is more about American economic interests than protecting the environment.
Vivian Krause has been researching the oilsands for nearly a decade and she told her studies have led her to believe the push against the oilsands is funded by American philanthropists in an effort to land-lock Alberta oil so it cannot reach overseas markets, where it would attain a higher price per barrel.
"About $90 million over the last 10 years has gone towards various efforts to restrict oil and gas development and export from Alberta. The problem that I see with this is that they're trying to cap and restrict Alberta production, but there's no such campaign in Texas," Krause said.
"I'm sure the reason they are doing it is because of the environment and because of climate-related problems, but the trouble is it's not helping the environment because the oil, if it doesn't come from Alberta, it's just coming from some other country."
Krause said the campaign was originally funded by charitable organizations from California and the philanthropic organization Rockefeller Brothers Fund, which was created with funding from the famous Rockefeller family.
Krause said the group got together around the time of the Iraq war and California energy crisis in 2003-2004 and strategized how to get control of the United States' domestic energy policy. She said the group now funds the Tides Foundation in San Francisco and the New Venture Fund in Washington, D.C.
"I think they have four goals, three of which are great: renewable energy, energy efficiency, energy security, that's all good. But it's the fourth goal — this idea of keeping Canada out of the global market — that's where I think we need to bring an end to this campaign.
"Because unless we do, I don't see much hope for any pipeline," Krause said.
The Corporate Ethics Tar Sands Campaign website indicates its goal is to land-lock Alberta oil by blocking proposed pipelines, so the crude does not reach the international market where it can garner a high price per barrel. Krause said the acknowledgement on the website has been a game-changer for her, arguing the environmental lobby should applaud Alberta Premier Rachel Notley creation of strong environmental regulations for the oil industry.
"She's done everything that the activists asked for and yet the campaign goes on, the money keeps coming in, and we can see that in the tax returns that the payments to land-lock Alberta crude continue to be made."
Greenpeace Canada climate organizer Mike Hudema said the organization's environmental activism is based on science, and said Krause's research is based on "unsubstantiated conspiracy theories."
"If Vivian wants to talk about, foreign influence, she should look into the massive amount of foreign dollars and foreign ownership of the oilsands that are poured into and influence our government at both the provincial and federal level all the time, but she never asks those questions," Hudema said.
Hudema said Greenpeace is almost entirely funded by individuals who donate between $10-$20 and is not directed by corporate interests.
"We're directed by what is the greatest environmental threat, and where do we think we can make the biggest difference?" he said.
Krause has shared some of her findings with the Alberta government.
"We've got to ask themselves, 'Why Alberta has been singled out, even though it's the only jurisdiction in the world with a cap on emissions from oilsands, the only place with a carbon tax as it is, and even though the province has created a very large boreal forest reserve? Why is there is there still a campaign against Alberta?" Krause said.
"If it was only about the environment, I think it would be over by now."
Krause said the anti-Alberta oil campaign bullies Alberta and Canada, and does nothing to reduce global oil use.
Krause spoke about her research in Edmonton on Monday and will be speaking in Fort McMurray on Thursday.


Oil producers are starting to speak up

Canada’s oil producers look beyond Keystone XL pipeline

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When President Donald Trump signed an order in January 2017 to allow TransCanada’s long-delayed Keystone XL oil pipeline to go ahead, the Canadian oil industry was delighted. Nearly two years on, construction has still not started, and the project faces yet another hold-up following a federal court ruling last week.
Oil producers in Alberta still hope that eventually they will be able to use Keystone XL to reach refineries and export terminals in the US, but they are stepping up their investment in other options.
The need for other routes to market has become increasingly urgent as a shortage of pipeline capacity has crushed oil prices in Alberta. Western Canadian Select, the benchmark for the heavy crude produced in Alberta’s oil sands, has been trading at levels last seen at the trough of the industry downturn in early 2016.
Paul Miller, TransCanada’s president of liquids pipelines, told investors at a presentation on Tuesday: “The need for Keystone XL has never been greater.”
As other oil prices around the world have picked up since last year, prices in western Canada have slumped, with WCS opening up a discount of about $40 a barrel to benchmark US crude. On Monday WCS was just $17.78 a barrel, compared to $58.91 for US West Texas Intermediate.
“If you come here and buy crude in western Canada, you can get a hell of a deal,” said Kevin Birn of IHS Markit. “The question is: can you physically move it?”
Not every company has to take those low benchmark prices. Larger groups such as Imperial Oil, which is 69.2 per cent owned by ExxonMobil, Suncor Energy and Husky Energy, which has an oil sands joint venture with BP, often have pipeline capacity booked and their own refineries, so they can sell the oil in higher-priced markets or process it into more lucrative products themselves.
For companies that do not have those options, cash operating costs typically running at about $30 a barrel mean they can be losing money on every gallon they produce. In many oil sands projects, shutting down production completely can damage the reservoir and make it impossible to restart, but companies can throttle back. Jackie Forrest of ARC Financial said oil sands companies including Cenovus Energy, Canadian Natural Resources and Devon Energy had announced curtailments totalling about 120,000 barrels a day, but there were limits to how much further those cuts could go.
The low prices for Canadian oil are particularly galling for producers because of changes in international oil markets that have increased demand for heavy crude. The Gulf of Mexico coast of the US was “the largest heavy oil refining centre in the world”, Ms Forrest said, because refineries there were configured to make more products from heavy crude.
US imports of heavy crude from Mexico and Venezuela have declined as their output has fallen, however. So heavy Maya crude, which traditionally sold at a discount to WTI, has been trading at a premium. If Canadian heavy oil can reach the Gulf Coast, it can be sold for about $50 a barrel more than the WCS price in Alberta.
That benefit could get even larger. Heavy oil is better for making diesel fuel, while the lighter crude produced from US shale oilfields is better for petrol. Anas Alhajji, an energy analyst, argued that because demand growth was stronger for diesel, US shale oil would soon start bumping up against the limits of refiners’ demand, and the price premium for heavy oil would “explode”.
There is not much extra pipeline capacity becoming available. Enbridge’s upgrade of its Line 3, which will add about 380,000 barrels a day of capacity, is expected to enter service next year. Another proposed increase in export capacity, the 590,000 b/d expansion of the Transmountain pipeline from Alberta to Vancouver, was blocked by a Canadian court in August and faces further delays. Keystone XL would have a capacity of 830,000 b/d, but will have to overcome legal challenges in federal courts and in Nebraska.
Mr Miller told investors that while TransCanada remained “fully committed” to Keystone XL, it was too soon to say what impact last week’s court ruling would have on its schedule.
With only limited relief expected from that direction, companies are looking for options. One response was Husky Energy’s C$6.4bn (US$4.8bn) hostile bid for rival oil sands producer MEG Energy, launched last month. Husky stressed its access to “committed transportation capacity” as one of the key advantages of its offer.
Other companies are spending on rail equipment and facilities. Imperial said last week in its annual presentation for investors that it had increased the number of rail tank cars it was using by 20 per cent in 2018. Next year it expects to increase the flow through its Edmonton rail terminal to 170,000 b/d, from 80,000 b/d earlier this year.
Richard Kruger, Imperial’s chief executive, said of the remaining approvals needed for Keystone XL: “We’re hopeful that those things do develop, but we don’t run our business off of hope.”
Cenovus in September signed three-year deals with Canadian National and Canadian Pacific to transport 100,000 b/d of heavy crude from Alberta to the US Gulf Coast.
The cost of rail transport on that route is about $20 a barrel, but the step-up in prices from travelling that 2,000 miles is so great that it is worth doing. In a sign that investment in the oil sands could still pay off, Imperial last week announced it would spend C$2.6bn to develop the 75,000 b/d Aspen project in Alberta. It was the largest investment in the oil sands announced since the slump in crude prices that began in 2014.
Environmental campaigners who have successfully fought to obstruct Keystone XL for a decade have done so on the grounds that it would encourage more investment in the oil sands. Blocking the pipeline has certainly impeded growth in Alberta’s oil production, but it does not seem able to stop it.

 
Hoid
#1368
Sounds to me like something should be done about over production in Alberta.

Perhaps eliminate all these small producers and just leave the multi nats running since they have no problem selling that shit at good prices.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+1
#1369
Why is Canada so embarrassed of it's largest resource 3rd largest in the world? We should be exploiting the hell out of it before it becomes obsolete.
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#1370
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Sounds to me like something should be done about over production in Alberta.

Perhaps eliminate all these small producers and just leave the multi nats running since they have no problem selling that shit at good prices.


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Over production in Alberta!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Way to go Hoid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



YOU FOUND ANOTHER LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Alberta oil is ONLY over produced if NO exports are allowed- and it is LIE-berals blocking the exports!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals will be blocking Alberta oil exports ONLY TILL AFTER THE 2019 ELECTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Even China would rather burn Cdn natural gas and oil than coal- but Cdn LIE-berals will not allow that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


As for this SUDDEN REVELATION that Yankees are attacking Cdn oil production in order to make their product more valuable by eliminating Cdn competition!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I HAVE BEEN SAYING THAT FOR YEARS NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If Yankee super pac political action groups were focused on environment- rather than on CASH- they would be attacking La Brea tar pit operations in California and tar pit operations in Venezuela as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But it is ONLY CDN oil sand operations that are singled out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In spite of the fact that Cdn oil is produced under the tightest regulations of any country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


When LIE-berals are involved- HYPOCRISY REIGNS SUPREME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
#1371
Don't blame the family owned gas stations, it's not their fault we are being raped at the pump.





It's astonishing how many Albertans gladly cheer for getting one of the worst business deals in all of human history. Here's a bit of tar sands math for anyone confronted with lies about oil production being the driver of Canada's economy. The truth is that the majority of ownership and profits from the biggest single greenhouse gas emissions source on the face of the planet are foreign. Any new pipelines we let these people build might as well be designed strictly to speed up the rate that cash flows out of the country.
https://business.financialpost.com/…/majority-of-oil-sands-…
Canada is basically giving its oil away far more cheaply than the rest of the planet does.
https://www.theguardian.com/…/revealed-oil-giants-pay-billi…
Alberta collected just $827-million in royalties on oil-sands company sales of $120-billion.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/…/beyond-p…/article38296846/
Canada produces 45 per cent more petroleum than Norway. Imagine for the sake of argument that Canada collected what Norwegians did per barrel just for the years between 2009 and 2012. In those four years alone, Canada would have enjoyed revenues of $365 billion -- enough to pay off more than half of our national debt.
http://thetyee.ca/Opin…/…/03/31/Canada-Lousy-Oil-Negotiator/
Instead, after asking the oil industry for pocket change as they walk away with our national resources, we also give them nearly $800 taxpayer dollars per citizen in handouts on top of it.
http://ecoopportunity.net/…/fossil-fuel-subsidies-nearly-8…/
The cost to clean up what the oil industry has done to Alberta will be more than a quarter of a trillion dollars, but the province has only collected $1.9 billion (0.6% of what's needed) to pay for it. Expecting that the fossil fuel industry is going to happily shell out the rest once their revenues dry up and bitumen becomes a completely stranded asset is completely absurd. So for screaming angrily for years at the rest of the country, and the planet, for suggesting they might acknowledge climate reality, Albertans will get saddled with an environmental debt six times larger than the province's current financial debt to thank them for it, while the entire planet pays the price in extreme weather and agricultural losses.
https://www.nationalobserver.com/…/silence-albertas-260-bil…
All this so that fossil fuels can cost Canada more jobs than they create,
http://commonsensecanadian.ca/petro-state-economy-costs-ca…/
and make sure that as the renewable energy market, already the fastest growing part of the global economy, really takes off, Canada will be left in its dust, clinging to a dead industry.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/…/act-now-or-forever-play-global-cat…
Not in the national best interest, not in the climate's best interest, and not in the economy's best interest. Bitumen just sucks.
 
MHz
#1372
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

It's astonishing how many Albertans gladly cheer for getting one of the worst business deals in all of human history. .

Just because the media is saying there is cheering going on doesn't mean there is any.


http://www.investmentwatchblog.com/c...-accelerating/


Last edited by MHz; 4 weeks ago at 01:15 PM..
 
Hoid
#1373
Recently revealed that the majors in the oils sands have no problem with pipeline capacity or low prices.

It's just the small Canadian players that are getting shafted.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#1374
Alberta Party calls on province to curtail oil production

Quote:

The Alberta Party caucus is calling on the province to curtail all oil production.
In a statement released on Saturday, the Alberta Party said the government should require oil producers to reduce production until bitumen prices improve.
”This is a national crisis,” said Greg Clark, Alberta Party caucus energy critic. “Curtailing production is a dramatic step, but it’s the right thing to do to maximize the value of the resource that all Albertans own.
“We’re giving our oil away for free. This has to stop.”
Clark said that production should be reduced for each producer on a percentage basis based on their production.
Alberta Finance Minister Joe Ceci responded, saying the government is pursuing different courses of action.
"We are looking at all options. As you know, we already sent a request to the federal government for rail cars, we are pushing for pipelines and we will consider all the options. But I am not at liberty to say what those are yet," he said.
The massive discount on the price of Alberta oil had Cenovus Energy asking the government to step in, however, energy giants Suncor and Husky rejected that call.

 
MHz
#1375
Perhaps we should curtail voting for that party for 20 years or so. This is the same one that said the World Bank was going through some stress so it was a bad time to increase the royalty rate. It should comfort the east to know they aren't the only politicians working for the 'other side'
 
spilledthebeer
#1376
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Don't blame the family owned gas stations, it's not their fault we are being raped at the pump.





It's astonishing how many Albertans gladly cheer for getting one of the worst business deals in all of human history. Here's a bit of tar sands math for anyone confronted with lies about oil production being the driver of Canada's economy. The truth is that the majority of ownership and profits from the biggest single greenhouse gas emissions source on the face of the planet are foreign. Any new pipelines we let these people build might as well be designed strictly to speed up the rate that cash flows out of the country.
https://business.financialpost.com/…/majority-of-oil-sands-…
Canada is basically giving its oil away far more cheaply than the rest of the planet does.
https://www.theguardian.com/…/revealed-oil-giants-pay-billi…
Alberta collected just $827-million in royalties on oil-sands company sales of $120-billion.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/…/beyond-p…/article38296846/
Canada produces 45 per cent more petroleum than Norway. Imagine for the sake of argument that Canada collected what Norwegians did per barrel just for the years between 2009 and 2012. In those four years alone, Canada would have enjoyed revenues of $365 billion -- enough to pay off more than half of our national debt.
http://thetyee.ca/Opin…/…/03/31/Canada-Lousy-Oil-Negotiator/
Instead, after asking the oil industry for pocket change as they walk away with our national resources, we also give them nearly $800 taxpayer dollars per citizen in handouts on top of it.
http://ecoopportunity.net/…/fossil-fuel-subsidies-nearly-8…/
The cost to clean up what the oil industry has done to Alberta will be more than a quarter of a trillion dollars, but the province has only collected $1.9 billion (0.6% of what's needed) to pay for it. Expecting that the fossil fuel industry is going to happily shell out the rest once their revenues dry up and bitumen becomes a completely stranded asset is completely absurd. So for screaming angrily for years at the rest of the country, and the planet, for suggesting they might acknowledge climate reality, Albertans will get saddled with an environmental debt six times larger than the province's current financial debt to thank them for it, while the entire planet pays the price in extreme weather and agricultural losses.
https://www.nationalobserver.com/…/silence-albertas-260-bil…
All this so that fossil fuels can cost Canada more jobs than they create,
http://commonsensecanadian.ca/petro-state-economy-costs-ca…/
and make sure that as the renewable energy market, already the fastest growing part of the global economy, really takes off, Canada will be left in its dust, clinging to a dead industry.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/…/act-now-or-forever-play-global-cat…
Not in the national best interest, not in the climate's best interest, and not in the economy's best interest. Bitumen just sucks.


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OH CLIFFY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!


I SEE HORSE SH+T in your post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Back in 2005, 2006 -that period of a few years when we had real federal surpluses in the $10 b8illion to $14 billion dollar range- AND ALL THE SURPLUS was from taxes and revenues from oil - and oil companies pay to get access to oil fields for drilling and extraction and etc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Your claims about poor Ottawa getting nothing from Cdn oil do NOT ADD UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It looks to me that you are using LIE-beral math!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



IT IS TRUE we are getting MUCH LESS than we used to when oil was $120.00 per barrel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals are remarkable for their capacity to cherry pick through facts and come up with answers THAT SUIT THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Using accounting methods NEVER TAUGHT IN ANY REPUTABLE BUSINESS SCHOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And yes- most of our oil industry IS FOREIGN OWNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


What of it?????????????????????????????


With your shirt made in Bangladesh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Your shoes made in Viet Nam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Your German car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Your Japanese electronics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!


When you stop by IKEA to shop for stuff from God Knows where, you can enjoy a meal of Swedish Meatballs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So yes- IT IS A BAD THING that our ENTIRE ECONOMY is a Branch plant SUBSIDIARY of somebody else!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Sadly- THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS when govt chooses to go for the quick economic boost of throwing money at some foreign corporation to bribe it to build a branch plant here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


We have been doing this since before there was a Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



This IS the major problem with ALL LIE-beral economic policy at this time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


IT is ALL FOCUSED on what makes LIE-berals look good- without regard to REALITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Cdns can see through the LIE-beral crap- which is why Our idiot Boy is in such serious trouble!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy is just not smart enough to come up with new propaganda to replace the old, disgraced stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Look at the green energy contracts that Wynne-bag LIE-berals signed with foreign corporations like Samsung - as LIE-berals were turning our electrical system into a vast slush fund for the purpose of BUYING civil service union Hog votes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Or we could point to the $100 million dollars that Wynne-bag LIE-berals gave to Honda motor company to expand their Aliston Ont plant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But must I remind you that LIE-berals want to FORCE US TO STOP USING FOSSIL FUEL.......so is this GIFT to Honda nothing but a WASTE OF MONEY??????????????????


Or how about the tax breaks given to Hollywood North in Toronto?????????????????


Is this not an OPEN ADMISSION that LIE-beral taxes are too high????????????????????????


If the biz cannot exist without tax cuts - it seems reasonable to say that LIE-beral GREED is damaging our economy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Or look at the BILLION DOLLARS in assorted grants that LIE-berals gave to Bombardier!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


A BILLION DOLLAR GIFT and Bombardier IS STILL IN TROUBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And what about the LIE-beral carbon crap and trade tax scam??????????????????????


The LIE-berals modelled their carbon crap on the European version and it is NOW WELL VERIFIED that carbon crap and trade ONLY CLEANS CASH FROM WALLETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And carbon crap and trade kills economies but leaves the dirt in the air!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Better go check your math Cliffy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


See if you can find some LIE-beral propaganda that is not so easy to dismiss as stupid NONSENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
spilledthebeer
#1377
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Recently revealed that the majors in the oils sands have no problem with pipeline capacity or low prices.

It's just the small Canadian players that are getting shafted.


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So Hoid................from your LIE-beral perspective.......................how is it a problem that small Cdn players in the oil Biz are getting screwed??????????????????????????





Our idiot Boy and his loser LIE-berals have told us they will be making Canada fossil fuel free in the next 20 years or so............




So who cares if small Cdn biz gets screwed on a DYING oil industry????????????????????????


Unless LIE-berals ARE LYING TO US ABOUT THE FUTURE of fossil fuel in Canada??????????????????????


And Our idiot Boy has told us HE BELIEVES that completing the Kinder Morgan pipeline IS IN THE NATIONAL INTEREST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Except that he also says he wants to KILL the Cdn oil patch???????????????????


So if he kills Cdn oil exports and forces us all to use LIE-beral electric TOY cars...........then will this NOT SCREW Cdn small biz on oil exploration, extraction and usage????????????????????????



Please help me here Hoid................................


WHICH LIE-beral LIES should I believe?????????????????????????
 
Hoid
#1378
Trouble in the oil patch and the cry is the same as its always been: please save us, government!
 
spilledthebeer
#1379
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Trouble in the oil patch and the cry is the same as its always been: please save us, government!


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Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And hey Hoid.............what will your beloved LIE-berals do to BUY VOTES in Alberta now????????????????????????



Will they create a new Petro Canada that will turn into another black hole for Cdn tax dollars????????????????????????


How about a NEW ENERGY POLICY?????????????????????????????????


WE even have a new Trudeau- a 2.0 version to implement that NEP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And after all the CRAP related to LIE-beral electricity price gouging and the completely shameless LIE-beral carbon crap and trade



tax rip off that only cleans cash from wallets and leaves the dirt in the air- a whole lot of Cdns are willing to buy "let the LIE-beral



bastards freeze in the dark" bumper stickers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Hoid
#1380
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/1...paign=trending

250,000 liter oil spill in Nfld can not be cleaned up