What should Canada give up in new NAFTA


Bar Sinister
No Party Affiliation
#331
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

Looks like I caught another “milk piranha “!

How many gallons did you smuggle across at once?


Are you kidding? I live seven hours from the US - Canadian border.
 
Bar Sinister
No Party Affiliation
#332
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

Hard to say. As far as I'm concerned, Canada should unilaterally drop all intentional trade barriers against Hong Kong, Singapore, and the UK, wait five years, and see if the UK reciprocates. We don't need to wait for Hong Kong or Singapore since in those two cases, we ourselves would be the ones doing the reciprocating.

That said, unilateral free trade does have its limits. For example, while it allows Canada to drop tariffs and quotas against these jurisdictions, Canada would still need to negotiate trade agreements to harmonize our packaging and labeling rules, phytosanitary rules, and other such unintentional trade barriers. Even if negotiating such deeper agreements takes times, unilateral free trade, however superficial it may be by limiting itself only to tariffs and quotas, would still be a quick first step and quite beneficial even on its own. We could then take time to promote deeper trade agreements to supplement our unilateral free trade policies over time.




I think that was what the Trans Pacific Partnership is all about. Hong Kong last I noticed was part of China.
 
White_Unifier
#333
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

I think that was what the Trans Pacific Partnership is all about. Hong Kong last I noticed was part of China.

Yes, Hong Kong is a part of China, but an autonomous part with its government. That is another reason to trade with Hong Kong before the fifty years is up.

At present, Hong Kong's Basic Law (essentially its mini-constitution) entrenches the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. That is threatened once the fifty years are up. At present, Hong Kong can negotiate its own trade agreements. Canada could unilaterally adopt an act granting unilateral free trade with Hong Kong on the condition that Hong Kong continue to respect the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. While it might seem hypocritical on the surface given how the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms itself violates that Covenant with its separate schools, a simple solution would be for this act to not expect reciprocity until Canada meet the sane standard (which would be a mostly symbolic clause given how Hong Kong already imports freely from Canada as it is to its own benefit).

If Canada truly cares about promoting human rights abroad, that's one practical step Canada could take.
 
MHz
#334
Isn't Hong Kong kind of like the Amazon parts depot for all of China rather than China would let businesses run by the UK or any of their criminal friends deep into the country where they cannot be monitored 24/7.

That missing Interpol Chief turn up yet or is he on a really big case?
 
White_Unifier
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#335
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Isn't Hong Kong kind of like the Amazon parts depot for all of China rather than China would let businesses run by the UK or any of their criminal friends deep into the country where they cannot be monitored 24/7.
That missing Interpol Chief turn up yet or is he on a really big case?

It started off as the opium hub for the Brits into China after the first Opium War. When the Chinese tried to stop the opium trade a second time, the British started the second Opium War. A former governor general to Canada later led a battle in that second war, participated in the pillaging of the Old Summer Palace, and ordered its burning to the ground because the Chinese hesitated to sign a second opium deal.

And then we wonder how the Communist Party could have attracted so much support. We created that party however much we may want to deny it. Had it not been for the opium wars, China would probably have evolved into a prosperous constitutional monarchy today.
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Curious Cdn
Conservative
#336
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

That missing Interpol Chief turn up yet or is he on a really big case?

He's in really big case in the Yangtze River.
 
White_Unifier
#337
Sorry Walter, but even British journalists of the time acknowledged the UK was the aggressor in that war. Just because English speakers were the dealers didn't make it right.
 
Walter
#338
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

Sorry Walter, but even British journalists of the time acknowledged the UK was the aggressor in that war. Just because English speakers were the dealers didn't make it right.

There’s no evidence China would have developed into a constitutional monarchy.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
+1
#339
Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

There’s no evidence China would have developed into a constitutional monarchy.

Taipei has managed to transform themselves from being a military dictatorship into a reasonably healthy representative democracy. That's fairly close.
 
EagleSmack
#340
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

Are you kidding? I live seven hours from the US - Canadian border.


So were you one of the ones loading up with 20 Gallons of that Prime U.S Milk?
 
EagleSmack
+1
#341
Why Canada’s Trudeau Had to Sign a Trade Deal with the U.S.


He’s less popular than Trump, his party is trailing in the polls, and he couldn’t afford facing the heat coming his way if he failed to cut a deal.


http://www.nationalreview.com/2018/1...deal-politics/






*snicker*
 
White_Unifier
#342
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

Why Canada’s Trudeau Had to Sign a Trade Deal with the U.S.
He’s less popular than Trump, his party is trailing in the polls, and he couldn’t afford facing the heat coming his way if he failed to cut a deal.
http://www.nationalreview.com/2018/1...deal-politics/
*snicker*

So what are your thoughts on US subsidies to US milk producers? Do you favour free markets or do you not, comrade?
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#343
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

So what are your thoughts on US subsidies to US milk producers? Do you favour free markets or do you not, comrade?

It should be a fantastic opportunity for the Canadian dairy farmers to ramp up their production and flood the US with our "untainted" milk, complete with an agressive advertising campaign about the advantages of the pure Canadian product ... with Rocky Mountain streams, clear blue skies and other subliminal clap-trap to pull the less than brilliant.


"Pure Organic Milk from Canada"
 
White_Unifier
#344
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

It should be a fantastic opportunity for the Canadian dairy farmers to ramp up their production and flood the US with our "untainted" milk, complete with an agressive advertising campaign about the advantages of the pure Canadian product ... with Rocky Mountain streams, clear blue skies and other subliminal clap-trap to pull the less than brilliant.
"Pure Organic Milk from Canada"

Do you really think Americans favour the free market so much that they'd cut tariffs to their dairy industry? In many respects, they're commies in all but name.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#345
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

Do you really think Americans favour the free market so much that they'd cut tariffs to their dairy industry? In many respects, they're commies in all but name.

Who cares? We offer a different product that lacks a possibly dangerous additive. We should be out-competing them in the open market.
 
White_Unifier
#346
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Who cares? We offer a different product that lacks a possibly dangerous additive. We should be out-competing them in the open market.

Most Us farmers do not use the hormone; but apparently they're not allowed to advertise that, which means the consumer has no way to know which is which. If the label is Canadian though, then they know it better respects animal rights. Apparently those hormones don't hurt the milk itself but cause all kinds of health problems for the cows later.
 
MHz
#347
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

He's in really big case in the Yangtze River.

What makes your post so sad is that it was a serious attempt. It appears just another capitalist pig is about to roasted.
https://www.economist.com/china/2018...nt-of-interpol
AT A gathering in Beijing last year of Interpol, the body that promotes co-operation between police forces from different countries, the group’s Chinese president, Meng Hongwei (pictured, above left), warned of “political black-swan incidents” that were plaguing the world. He was probably not thinking of his own organisation. But in late September Mr Meng disappeared from public view. Not until days later did China confirm that he had been arrested at home on suspicion of taking bribes and inform Interpol that Mr Meng had resigned. It may be that the cop himself has been caught up in a political storm.
The Chinese government has released no more details of Mr Meng’s alleged crimes. But the way it has handled his arrest suggests that there may be more to it than a suspicion that he was involved in corruption. The Ministry of Public Security, for which Mr Meng still technically works as a vice minister, issued a statement on October 8th saying its Communist Party committee had held a pre-dawn meeting that day. Apart from condemning Mr Meng’s alleged graft, participants stressed the need for “absolute loyalty” (to the party, presumably) as well as “resolute support” for the country’s leader, Xi Jinping. It was agreed that attendees must “maintain a high level of conformity with the political stance, the political direction and the political principles of the party centre with Comrade Xi Jinping at its core.” Had Mr Meng erred in this respect, too?
 
MHz
#348
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

It started off as the opium hub for the Brits into China after the first Opium War. When the Chinese tried to stop the opium trade a second time, the British started the second Opium War. A former governor general to Canada later led a battle in that second war, participated in the pillaging of the Old Summer Palace, and ordered its burning to the ground because the Chinese hesitated to sign a second opium deal.

The Brits were well acquainted with opium by the time the discovered the poppy fields near China.




c.3400 B.C.

The opium poppy is cultivated in lower Mesopotamia. The Sumerians refer to it as Hul Gil, the 'joy plant.' The Sumerians would soon pass along the plant and its euphoric effects to the Assyrians. The art of poppy-culling would continue from the Assyrians to the Babylonians who in turn would pass their knowledge onto the Egyptians. c.1300 B.C.
In the capital city of Thebes, Egyptians begin cultivation of opium thebaicum,grown in their famous poppy fields.The opium trade flourishes during the reign of Thutmose IV, Akhenaton and King Tutankhamen. The trade route included the Phoenicians and Minoans who move the profitable item across the Mediterranean Sea into Greece, Carthage, and Europe. c.1100 B.C.
On the island of Cyprus, the "Peoples of the Sea" craft surgical-quality culling knives to harvest opium, which they would cultivate, trade and smoke before the fall of Troy. c. 460 B.C.
Hippocrates, "the father of medicine", dismisses the magical attributes of opium but acknowledges its usefulness as a narcotic and styptic in treating internal diseases, diseases of women and epidemics. 330 B.C.
Alexander the Great introduces opium to the people of Persia and India. A.D. 400
Opium thebaicum, from the Egytpian fields at Thebes, is first introduced to China by Arab traders. 1300's
Opium disappears for two hundred years from European historical record. Opium had become a taboo subject for those in circles of learning during the Holy Inquisition. In the eyes of the Inquisition, anything from the East was linked to the Devil. 1500
The Portugese, while trading along the East China Sea, initiate the smoking ofopium. The effects were instantaneous as they discovered but it was a practice the Chinese considered barbaric and subversive.


China already knew the drug was addictive, the Brits bringing it in by the ship load was similar to giving infected blankets to the Indians in NA and the Blacks in South Africa.



Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

And then we wonder how the Communist Party could have attracted so much support. We created that party however much we may want to deny it. Had it not been for the opium wars, China would probably have evolved into a prosperous constitutional monarchy today.

The 2 WW's and the sanctions in the last century replace the damage creating addicts did. It is a good primer of what happens everyplace the Brits move into. A sharp sort with little to zero morals. The Brits called their wars and the Jewish Banks financed them. After the English Stock Market crash of 1815 it was the Banks that were telling the Brits which wars to fight and which places needed colonies. Bringing as many European diseases along as possible turned out to be pretty effective 'first shot' in the the places they wanted all for themselves. The Brits did the rest of the killing and then forts with business men took over the conquest after that, again it was recorded enough times that there is a pattern to how it works. I/m wor5king on that but it is for a different thread.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#349
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

What makes your post so sad is that it was a serious attempt. It appears just another capitalist pig is about to roasted.
https://www.economist.com/china/2018...nt-of-interpol
AT A gathering in Beijing last year of Interpol, the body that promotes co-operation between police forces from different countries, the group’s Chinese president, Meng Hongwei (pictured, above left), warned of “political black-swan incidents” that were plaguing the world. He was probably not thinking of his own organisation. But in late September Mr Meng disappeared from public view. Not until days later did China confirm that he had been arrested at home on suspicion of taking bribes and inform Interpol that Mr Meng had resigned. It may be that the cop himself has been caught up in a political storm.
The Chinese government has released no more details of Mr Meng’s alleged crimes. But the way it has handled his arrest suggests that there may be more to it than a suspicion that he was involved in corruption. The Ministry of Public Security, for which Mr Meng still technically works as a vice minister, issued a statement on October 8th saying its Communist Party committee had held a pre-dawn meeting that day. Apart from condemning Mr Meng’s alleged graft, participants stressed the need for “absolute loyalty” (to the party, presumably) as well as “resolute support” for the country’s leader, Xi Jinping. It was agreed that attendees must “maintain a high level of conformity with the political stance, the political direction and the political principles of the party centre with Comrade Xi Jinping at its core.” Had Mr Meng erred in this respect, too?

He will be re-educated ... maybe, until he dies. There's a perfectly good heart in his chest to harvest, no doubt.
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#350
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

Actually there are a number of US-side border shopping centres that closed when the Canadian dollar dropped.




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Yes- back when the Cdn dollar was $1.07 U.S. all sorts of Cdn civil service union Hogs lined up for Hours to get through customs to shop in Buffalo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


City tv went down the line of vehicles and hit on one doofus- who had driven hid YUKON suv down from OTTAWA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Its only about a SEVEN HOUR RIDE - with who knows how much gas burned getting there and back again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But knucklehead was there for the savings and never mind the 1000 km he put on his vehicle or the $250 - 300 dollars in gas hr burned - PLUS the hotel room for the overnight stay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And is it not ODD - that civil service union Hogs will tell us we need to pay more taxes for our own good - and then they turn around and travel for HOURS just so they can AVOID PAYING THEIR SHARE OF THE TAXES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The number and range of LIE-beral ENTITLEMENTS is beyond belief!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And beyond our ability to pay for as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!


This is why all LIE-beral policy is failing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The LIE-beral greed is unsupportable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#351
Canada moves to block foreign steel

Quote:

The Canadian government says it will impose a 25 per cent surtax on some foreign steel products in a bid to head off dumping.
The Finance Department said "excessive imports" are harming the steel industry, prompting it to impose a surtax on seven products that range from rebar to wire rods.
The surtax, which begins Oct. 25, will be in place for 200 days, pending an inquiry by the Canadian International Trade Tribunal into whether longer-lasting safeguards are necessary, the government said.
The announcement comes more than three months after Canada imposed tariffs on $16.6 billion worth of American goods in retaliation for hefty U.S. tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminum.
The government also announced Thursday that some Canadian manufacturers can now import those products from the U.S. without paying the surtaxes that have applied since July 1. A portion of the relief will be temporary, offered until Canadian producers are able to adequately meet domestic demand.
The exemption applies on a case-by-case basis to companies that applied for it, and pertains to American steel, aluminum and certain other products.
The products affected by the fresh tariffs go into structures from condominiums to dams and bridges, "which encompasses a heck of a lot of steel," said Jesse Goldman, a lawyer representing the Canadian Coalition for Construction Steel.
He said the surtax puts the construction steel industry in "a very dire position" because of Canada's limited domestic steel supply.
"Because of the actual quota amounts for this type of steel from non-U.S. sources, U.S. steel is going to come into Canada at record high prices. They will simply pass on the 25 per cent retaliatory tariffs to their Canadian customers."
The surtax on steel plates and other products could "jeopardize" mega-projects in Newfoundland, which relies almost exclusively on foreign steel, primarily from Europe, Goldman said.
A lot of imported structural steel has been put toward the refurbishment of the Parliament buildings, he added. "It's more ironic than intentional, but it gives you an example of the importance of imported steel in Canada."
The country's geography deters West Coast buyers from purchasing from central Canadian mills. It costs more than four times extra to ship a tonne of steel to Vancouver from Ontario than it does from China or Korea, said Richard Lyall, president of the Residential Construction Council of Ontario.
With rebar an essential component in residential towers, the new steel tariff could boost the price of new condos in Vancouver by up to $10,000 per unit, Lyall said.
"Housing affordability got thrown under the bus on this one," he said.
Finance Minister Bill Morneau is slated to address the Commons international trade committee Tuesday on its study of how tariffs are impacting Canadian businesses and workers.

Forcing the East coast and the West coast to buy steel from Central Canada just like Gyprock, National security? Lol
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Curious Cdn
Conservative
#352
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Canada moves to block foreign steel
Forcing the East coast and the West coast to buy steel from Central Canada just like Gyprock, National security? Lol

Forcing central Canada to buy forest products from BC, natural gas from Alberta and grain from Saskatchewan is our national duty.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#353
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Forcing central Canada to buy forest products from BC, natural gas from Alberta and grain from Saskatchewan is our national duty.

You get a lot of wood locally and from Maine, only gas available for decades was from the West, now most of your gas comes through Spectra lines from the States, the only grain from the Prairies is what can't be grown locally. But you already knew that
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#354
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

The problem with a free trade agreement with Mexico is the vast difference in standard of living.Now if government employees were prepared to take a 90% cut in wages and zero bennies we might be able to level the playing field a bit. Probably have to cut pensions at least in half.Bring in a few million TFWs while we new at it to force wages downward. Yeah that should be good for the country.



I'm good with scraping taxpayer subsidies for all media. ANd supply management farming.


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OHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


THERE IS THE KEY:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::


Killing pensions for civil service union Hogs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Much of our debt is tied directly to Hog Entitlements!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Wynne-bag LIE-berals in Ontari-owe issued IOU`s to OSSTF- meaning our high school teachers - with those promises plus interest now totalling fifty five billion dollars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And there are EIGHTEEN MORE PROVINCIAL UNIONS RIGHT BEHIND OSSTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And every one of them is holding LIE-beral pension IOU`s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And there are HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS worth of LIE-beral IOU`s held by federal and municipal unions; as well as



billions more promised by LIE-berals to the "arms length" and allegedly independent - but really in LIE-beral pockets - Crown



corporations such as ORNGE, E-health- which is now operating without any set budget, Metrolinx, and the colleges and hospitals



and universities that ALL HOLD HUGE LIE-beral IOU`s offered by vote buying LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



It is the GREED of LIE-berals and their shameless vote buying that is crippling our economy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#355
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

You get a lot of wood locally and from Maine, only gas available for decades was from the West, now most of your gas comes through Spectra lines from the States, the only grain from the Prairies is what can't be grown locally. But you already knew that

All of the wood that I see in our stores is from BC, Ontario, Quebec but not Maine. Besides, the American stuff would be too expensive because of the tariffs. I'm trying to remember where in Ontario and Quebec we have rolling fields of wheat and Canola. I'm sure that they are here and there but mostly we see corn and soy planted around here.

Our gas comes from the Inter Provincial Pipeline, mostly. A small bit of it is produced locally.

Where to you live, Twin? Not around here, apparently.
 
MHz
#356
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

He will be re-educated ... maybe, until he dies. There's a perfectly good heart in his chest to harvest, no doubt.

NATO gave him a black heart, next life is the only hope chronic liar have at seeing the good life. Are Jews running the body collecting services there also or is China running the abortion clinics in North America.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/08/u...stigation.html
WASHINGTON — The Justice Department appears to be laying the groundwork for an investigation into the transfer of fetal tissue by abortion providers, including Planned Parenthood, picking up where several Republican-led inquiries in Congress had dropped off last year.


The KSA is an 'associate of the West' who is good standing Right?? Business as usual, Right??


http://12160.info/page/holy-f-k9
HOLY F--K! This missing journalist - Khashoggi - isn’t just a random journalist.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ple-Watch.html
Missing Saudi journalist 'recorded his own death on his Apple Watch with moments of his interrogation, torture and killing sent to his phone and the iCloud'

  • He reportedly switched on recording function before going into Saudi embassy
  • It is claimed his 'interrogation, torture and killing' were captured in an audio file
  • Security forces said to have found the file on phone he had left with his fiancée
  • CCTV shows Khashoggi going into the embassy on October 2 but not emerging
 
White_Unifier
#357
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Forcing central Canada to buy forest products from BC, natural gas from Alberta and grain from Saskatchewan is our national duty.

Some (cough, Coldstream, cought) think we need a 'dirigiste' government that will make us buy oranges from Nunavut too.
 
MHz
#358
It isn't like they are short on NG to warm the green houses, sell the produce to buy the parts needed to turn the top of Baffin Island into an R&D facility for things that need absolute zero as a working temp so a mag/lev rail is how things are launched into space so the Van Allen belt is by-passed. We would have to sell it before that level of development would be allowed on something that can do launches at the rate ofr 1/hour 24/7 and park them in orbit past the belt where it they are not in danger of a collision.


The only hope Canad has is if the US annexes the lowest 300 miles of Canad as a 'buffer zone' between them and somebody that would have the nerve to suggest free trade with Cuba
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#359
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

Some (cough, Coldstream, cought) think we need a 'dirigiste' government that will make us buy oranges from Nunavut too.

You'll be buying oranges grown on the North shore of Lake Erie soon enough.
 
spilledthebeer
#360
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

Yes, Hong Kong is a part of China, but an autonomous part with its government. That is another reason to trade with Hong Kong before the fifty years is up.

At present, Hong Kong's Basic Law (essentially its mini-constitution) entrenches the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. That is threatened once the fifty years are up. At present, Hong Kong can negotiate its own trade agreements. Canada could unilaterally adopt an act granting unilateral free trade with Hong Kong on the condition that Hong Kong continue to respect the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. While it might seem hypocritical on the surface given how the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms itself violates that Covenant with its separate schools, a simple solution would be for this act to not expect reciprocity until Canada meet the sane standard (which would be a mostly symbolic clause given how Hong Kong already imports freely from Canada as it is to its own benefit).

If Canada truly cares about promoting human rights abroad, that's one practical step Canada could take.


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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Hong Kong and Singapore are AUTONOMOUS from China in the same way that Nazi occupied Poland was autonomous from Berlin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals never cease to spew Fake News!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And LIE-berals never cease their efforts to align Canada with third world despots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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