Open military to non citizens?


MHz
#211
You may not have noticed but we hire out the work the 'grunts do'. ISIS is an example and we don't have a clue what to do with them when they lose the war they were hired to win. (other than shelter them so they don't become witnesses at a war crimes trial with Canada acting as one of the defendants.
 
MHz
#212
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

I agree Canada should be researching supersonic drones, but the Americans and Brits are way ahead of us in this field

Now you know the knife that cut the Arrow into pieces also did that to our balls. By our closest partner, don't let that detail get minimized.
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#213
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Now you know the knife that cut the Arrow into pieces also did that to our balls. By our closest partner, don't let that detail get minimized.


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The Yankees are becoming increasingly worried- as Twin Moose has detailed- about China and Russia and others- including Iran - using Canada as an easy backdoor into United States for the purpose of stealing military secrets and technology!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Trump and his crew KNOW THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And so does Our idiot Boy Justin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy Justin is so wildly anti Yankee, anti capitalist and anti democratic that he is quite willing to turn Canada into a third world basket case of the type people in Venezuela endure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy is such a remarkable anti white bigot that he is ALTERING our legal system to make it harder for Cdns to defend themselves and their property from drunken native thugs like Coulton Boushie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Consider this LIE-beral sponsored legal crap:


Here is an article illustrating how petty and small our LIE-beral overlords can behave if they do not get their way! With some comments of my own in brackets):

Lawyer for Alberta man charged in farm shooting ‘frustrated’ at delays

Edouard Maurice is charged with aggravated assault and firearms counts after he allegedly confronted two people, but his lawyer says she still hasn’t received evidence from the Crown

By Bill Graveland. The Canadian Press. Fri., May 4, 2018

OKOTOKS, Alta. — The lawyer for a man charged after shots were fired during a confrontation on a rural property south of Calgary says she’s frustrated over delays in receiving evidence.

Edouard Maurice, who is 33, was charged with aggravated assault and firearms counts after he allegedly confronted two people rummaging through his vehicles on Feb 25.

Shots were fired and one of the suspects was later found with an arm injury and taken to hospital.

Maurice’s lawyer, Tonii Roulston, told court in Okotoks, Alta., that she still hasn’t received ballistic evidence from the Crown, so she can’t move forward with the case.

The matter was set over another two weeks to May 18.

Roulston has previously said Maurice will plead not guilty and will choose to be tried before a judge and jury.

(Yeah- one lone white guy and two thugs- and most Cdns think it looks good on the thug to get a wound from the encounter! But this all upsets LIE-berals who think that justice should ONLY be handed down by LIE-beral judges offering slaps on the wrist and endless excuses for drunken thieves- assuming a cop can be found and brought from many miles away in time to make an arrest!)

It’s her hope that the aggravated assault charge will eventually be withdrawn and the matter won’t have to go to trial.

“Obviously that’s what we’re hoping for. This family just wants to move on,” she said Friday.

“We’re concerned. These charges do carry an incarceratory sentence. This isn’t just house arrest and a slap on the wrist. These charges are very serious,” she said.

(It is appropriate that any time somebody gets a wound from a gun then the matter should be investigated. But LIE-berals are drowning in their own anti white bigotry as they defame ordinary Cdns who resist the thugs prowling our properties thanks to shameless LIE-beral catch and release policies! I suggest the total LACK of LIE-beral response to rising crime rates is going to be an election issue- not just for our municipal leaders next October but in the 2019 federal election as well! LIE-beral spending priorities and their legal interpretations are all messed up!)

(IN fact I suggest that Our idiot Boy Justin is in serious trouble and its getting WORSE! His grand assumption that he can round up and keep teeming swarms of illegals as if he was some sort of crazy cat lady is backfiring badly on him! The cost of keeping the illegals is now officially a big deal for Ontari-owe mayors in larger cities such as Ottawa and Toronto and for our premier Ford as well! With mayors in other provinces and cities getting ready to make their own demands! There is blood in the political water on this issue and Our idiot Boy Justin is bleeding support as he dumps the costs- and the need for higher taxes onto other levels of govt only a year before the federal election- during which time Our idiot Boy will also have to publicly explain why he is so careless of national security issues and street crime as well!)

“Do we want them to be withdrawn or stayed? Of course we do. We haven’t yet been able to have fruitful discussions with the Crown prosecutor.”

(AS I have said- it is proper to examine the circumstances of any shooting but in this case legal foot dragging by prosecutors seems DELIBERATELY designed to keep Maurice in legal limbo and suspense as long as possible- the idea being to torment the man for having the temerity to boh defend himself and to expose the fatal flaws in so much of LIE-beral legal policy related to Law and Native Affairs!)
 
NZDoug
Free Thinker
#214
Best chill on war toys until Trump decides which side USA is on.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#215
Quote: Originally Posted by NZDoug View Post

Best chill on war toys until Trump decides which side USA is on.

They're becoming a rogue nation.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#216
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Now you know the knife that cut the Arrow into pieces also did that to our balls. By our closest partner, don't let that detail get minimized.

The cut had to be made, the advances made in the program propelled the US into supersonic.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#217
Sophie Grégoire Trudeau officially names first Arctic and offshore patrol ship

Is this her first public appearance since the memorial India trip?
 
MHz
#218
Quote: Originally Posted by NZDoug View Post

Best chill on war toys until Trump decides which side USA is on.

You mean, 'told which side he is on' don't you?
 
MHz
#219
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

They're becoming a rogue nation.

Saddam played that same part for the IMF, take note the ending was the same for all their other partners they have stabbed in the back.


The world boycott of German goods by the Jews was driving home that the quantity and quality of manufactured goods doesn't mean shit if the means of delivery leaves them 'in transit' at a speed that makes sure they just don't ever show up. A delivery company doesn't need many brains compared to having ones that can throw their muscle around.

Canada's last trained fighters was ISIS/White Helmets who fought against the elected Government of Syria. I'm pretty sure we lose our Boy Scout image over that and take on one that rightly belongs in the shadows.


You seem to be unaware that climbing and falling is all part of a script that is being followed. The script is written by people who should be servants rather than leaders.
 
MHz
#220
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Sophie Grégoire Trudeau officially names first Arctic and offshore patrol ship

Is this her first public appearance since the memorial India trip?

Good example that show Canada is not even allowed to design it's own defense.
Question: What naval vessel is not hampered by surface conditions? Answer: Subs, if we can't buy the kind we need, and we can't, we build them and small un-manned ones on high alert 24/7 could keep the north watch enough that bears and seals were tracked in real-time. There is the motivation for electric motor R&D along with controllers and remote-driving as well as computer aided in the 'shipping channels'. Today a Russian Black Hole sub could probably come and go from the Hudson Bay after dropping off the load of missiles.


The US has said they will still patrol the Black Sea but they will not be going into the sea that is behind Crimea, no need to wonder why.
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#221
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

The cut had to be made, the advances made in the program propelled the US into supersonic.


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No it was election fever and cost over runs and a conviction that missiles were the way of the future......



The Arrow was an excellent plane- notably superior to the its Yankee competition- the upgraded Sabre F- 86


However to reach FULL potential the Arrow needed the Iroquois engines that were under development- with the usual cost over runs that attend the design and building of a record setting machine!


Canada was becoming embroiled in the Korean war, with the added bonus of rapidly expanding Soviet nuclear threats.


Cdns sent to Korean went with Lee-Enfield rifles- a slightly shorter barrelled and lighter version of the BOLT ACTION Lee Enfield their grand fathers carried up Vimy Ridge in 1917!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Of course all other armies carried assault rifles and modern automatic weapons.........which left Cdn soldiers trying to beg, borrow, steal- or buy modern weapons from the Yankees IN KOREA!!!!!!


Cdn tactics while on patrol in Korea involved making sure that when contact with an enemy occurred- all the Cdns with modern weapons would run to the front of the line- spray everything with their assault rifles- while the guys with bolt action rifles headed swiftly for the rear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Isnt it nice to know that life in the Cdn military has not changed much in a century!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Anyway- in order to get the govt books back in the black after LIE-beral Mackenzie King gave away the store- CUTS had to be made some place- and the Arrow was gone!!!!!!!!!!!


Killing the Arrow pleased both Yankees and Cdn LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


With the Arrow gone- U.S. airforce was able to sell a pile of Sabres around the world .....................


And LIE-berals were happy because we so swiftly shed our attempt at any real defense of Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Virtue signalling LIE-berals enjoy that double standard- that we Cdns are a peaceful bunch- with no need for a military - simply because we HIDE behind the Yankees!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


For some reason LIE-berals DO NOT see this position- with fearful Cdns pressed up against stalwart Yankee asses as being hypocritical or humiliating!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And incidentally the ONLY reason the Arrow was designed in Canada was because Britain was bankrupt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


A.V. Roe aircraft makers in Britain LOST a lot of good designers and engineers to immigration in the years after 1945!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Britain was so broke that food rationing there continued - to some degree- until 1954!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So a lot of A.V. Roe workers headed off to the bright lights of Toronto- work with the Cdn subsidiary- Avro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


For those who are curious- the worlds first jet aircraft flew in 1939!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Its just too bad the Brits were so hard pressed that the Gloster aircraft co. could not expand on their design!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
+1
#222
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Good example that show Canada is not even allowed to design it's own defense.
Question: What naval vessel is not hampered by surface conditions? Answer: Subs, if we can't buy the kind we need, and we can't, we build them and small un-manned ones on high alert 24/7 could keep the north watch enough that bears and seals were tracked in real-time. There is the motivation for electric motor R&D along with controllers and remote-driving as well as computer aided in the 'shipping channels'. Today a Russian Black Hole sub could probably come and go from the Hudson Bay after dropping off the load of missiles.
The US has said they will still patrol the Black Sea but they will not be going into the sea that is behind Crimea, no need to wonder why.

So, what kind of submarines do you think that we need (besides more of them?) Did you know that, almost simultaneously, we had two submarines out on extended patrols this year, thosands of miles from our own coasts?

HMCS Chicoutimi (the one that had the fire) patrolled the far Western Pacific for just shy of 200 days, this spring.

http://www.canada.ca/en/department-n...eployment.html

HMCS Windsor spent five months patrolling the Mediterranean at the same time.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-s...ifax-1.4714499

Most Canadians haven't the first clue. Advanced diesel boats like ours are greatly repected for their absolutely silent running capabilies. Nuclear boats are like brass marching bands and subs like ours are used for hunting nuclear subs under water. The antisubmarine forces have great respect for submaries that can vanish to the point where the US Navy is seriously debating whether they should get back into the diesel boat business because of the threat that they pose. Even old rustbuckets like the ones that the North Koreans operate are a real threat to them and advanced diesel boats like the ones that Canada, the Australians, Japanese, Dutch, Swedes and Germans operate are the real deal. We just need twice or thrice the number.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#223
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Good example that show Canada is not even allowed to design it's own defense.
Question: What naval vessel is not hampered by surface conditions? Answer: Subs, if we can't buy the kind we need, and we can't, we build them and small un-manned ones on high alert 24/7 could keep the north watch enough that bears and seals were tracked in real-time. There is the motivation for electric motor R&D along with controllers and remote-driving as well as computer aided in the 'shipping channels'. Today a Russian Black Hole sub could probably come and go from the Hudson Bay after dropping off the load of missiles.
The US has said they will still patrol the Black Sea but they will not be going into the sea that is behind Crimea, no need to wonder why.

So built at the Irving yard is not a Canadian design?
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
+1
#224
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

So built at the Irving yard is not a Canadian design?

It's a basic Danish design modified for the RCN by Canadian Naval Architects.

We are going to do that again with the new, about-to-be-chosen "Surface Combattant" replacements for our old 280 Destroyers and current 330 Frigates. Designing warships is an exitremely complex task, these days and we build them so infeprequently now that we literally have to relearn it, perhaps at the cost of mamy billions $$ more and the risk of producing done thing that is not cutting edge enough. (I'm betting that we end up with the jnew British Type 26 design but it's not in the bag, yet http://youtu.be/hfMqfoMQTs0 )

Even the Americans are considering buying a foreign design to replace that part of their really aging surface fleet. Specialist designers may do a better job. The Americans always have sturdy vessels of that sort but they are never cutting edge, exactly. The big experiment that they have going now is with the "littoral" classes of warships being launched right now but the jury is still out as to whether they are sea dogs or just plain dogs.
 
EagleSmack
#225
^

Jealous and once again proves to the forum he knows nothing.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#226
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

^
Jealous and once again proves to the forum he knows nothing.

Read this.

http://news.usni.org/2018/08/16/repo...ffgx-program-3
 
DaSleeper
#227
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

^

Jealous and once again proves to the forum he knows nothing.

Random internet military expert....................................
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#228
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

Random internet military expert....................................

Troll ...you're hardly worthy of even that.
 
NZDoug
Free Thinker
#229
Nice job dodging the F35 debacle.
No decision is a good decision.
Ban the Bomb.
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#230
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Good example that show Canada is not even allowed to design it's own defense.
Question: What naval vessel is not hampered by surface conditions? Answer: Subs, if we can't buy the kind we need, and we can't, we build them and small un-manned ones on high alert 24/7 could keep the north watch enough that bears and seals were tracked in real-time. There is the motivation for electric motor R&D along with controllers and remote-driving as well as computer aided in the 'shipping channels'. Today a Russian Black Hole sub could probably come and go from the Hudson Bay after dropping off the load of missiles.


The US has said they will still patrol the Black Sea but they will not be going into the sea that is behind Crimea, no need to wonder why.


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HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


MHz rants in ignorance as usual!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The "sea behind Crimea" that MHz rants about is RUSSIAN TERRITORIAL WATER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yankees will no more patrol that "sea" than Russians would "patrol" Chesapeake Bay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
spilledthebeer
#231
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Troll ...you're hardly worthy of even that.


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Curious Cdn is one of that slimy, slippery brigade of LIE-berals and latter day Quislings who want to sell out Canada to third world dictators- preferably dictators who support the World Wide Caliphate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Curious Cdn has been spouting some nonsense about RCN warships and I have chosen to respond. As always, my comments are presented in brackets):

Curious says: It's a basic Danish design modified for the RCN by Canadian Naval Architects.

(He is suggesting we are using an off the shelf standard design- and so far- this is logical- why design an entirely new hull when there are existing hulls available? The LIE-beral Devil is in the details! LIE-berals DO NOT want to waste their gravy on our military- LIE-berals are following the Pierre Trudeau path to TOTAL CDN DISARMAMENT!)

(The real challenge for warship designers is fitting all the electronic gear into the vessel! The fuel for missiles is often toxic and the crew must be shielded! Electronic gear must be shielded from static electricity! And of course the gear must be easy to get at for any needed repairs- whether from normal wear and tear or from enemy action!)

(It is notable that LIE-berals HAVE MANAGED to get the first UNARMED Arctic Patrol vessel completed! LIE-berals LIKE things that are UNARMED and best suited to search and rescue roles! Sadly, LIE-berals do not like warships- and the ones ordered by Harper govt ARE YEARS BEHIND SCHEDULE!!!!!!!!!)

(It is alleged that the reason for the warship delays relates to frequent changes in the type and design of weaponry that will be put aboard the ships and it seems fair to suggest that LIE-berals are taking advantage of repeated proposed weapon changes to ensure that the warships NEVER get finished!)

(Such wasteful and costly delays suit the LIE-beral temperament very well! Such stalling keeps an array of white collar designers busy and well paid and meets the LIE-beral desire to insult and denigrate Cdn military at every opportunity! And such delays allow LIE-berals to deflect some of the anger over Canada being a NATO Slacker- LIE-berals can point to the rusting, weatherbeaten and mostly forgotten hulks and say: “we are trying to build a navy here”! It is the standard sort of LIE-beral Fake News of course!)

(To understand just how much contempt LIE-berals have for our military- it is worth re-examining the EH 101 helicopter contract that Chretien LIE-berals paid $500 million dollars in penalties to be let out of the contract! Yeah- $500 million dollars for the privilege of BUYING NO helicopters!!!!)

(At the time the contract was cancelled- the EH 101 was state of the art- best in the world! It HAD a proven record from having already been used by various NATO allies! EH 101 has THREE ENGINES! If one engine conks out- the machine is still GUARANTEED strong enough to fly back to base and land safely! Such a feature seems useful for Cdn flyers travelling in the Arctic or out into mid Atlantic!)

(But LIE-berals did not want such a heavy duty weapon in Canada! EH 101 is FLEXIBLE! All its gear- for submarine hunting, plus various other stuff such as gun and rocket pods are “bolt on” and can be installed or removed swiftly! With the weapons and anti sub warfare gear taken off- the EH 101 can function well in search and rescue since it has a fine range and excellent passenger carrying capacity! In short it is a machine that can easily perform multiple tasks for RCAF on short notice! For this reason- LIE-beral SHUNNED the machine!)

(Repeated crashes of the antique RCAF Sea King helicopters eventually shamed LIE-berals into buying Cormorant helicopters- the little brother to EH 101! The Cormorant was a new- UNTESTED DESIGN - and it quickly became obvious there were costly design flaws with the tail rotors!)

(Cormorant featured TWO ENGINES- and if one engine failed - the machine was guaranteed not to hit the ground- too hard- with one engine! Yeah- EH 101 could fly back to base with a failed engine- but Cormorant could only hit the ground without being wrecked if an engine failed! This is what passes for good military investment in LIE-beral circles!!!!)

We are going to do that again with the new, about-to-be-chosen "Surface Combattant" replacements for our old 280 Destroyers and current 330 Frigates. Designing warships is an extremely complex task, these days and we build them so infrequently now that we literally have to relearn it, perhaps at the cost of many billions $$ more and the risk of producing done thing that is not cutting edge enough. (I'm betting that we end up with the new British Type 26 design but it's not in the bag, yet http://youtu.be/hfMqfoMQTs0 )

(LIE-berals are trying to stall using any means possible! Based on past LIE-beral choices- it seems they DO NOT WANT a modern military- nor even ANY military!)

(Pierre Trudeau LIE-berals avoided the NATO Slacker label by being shamed into buying the F 18 Hornet jet fighters. But later, when NATO started the bombing campaign in Kosovo- and Chretien LIE-berals sought to avoid the NATO Slacker label by offering our Hornet fighters- they were told to get lost!)

(Pierre Trudeau DID BUY modern fighters- but he made sure they would be as nearly USELESS as possible! NONE of the Cdn fighters had a bomb rack! So NO WAY to attack targets on the ground- not even with “dumb” bombs- much less “smart bombs”! And of course NO CDN fighter was equipped to fire missiles at ground targets either! Cdn fighters were so badly equipped that their radios could NOT communicate with other NATO craft! Cdn radios were seen by NATO as a LIABILITY because they were not encrypted and Serbs could listen in and get information from primitive Cdn radios!)

(And now we have Our idiot Boy Justin following in his fathers footsteps- wearing that same old NATO Slacker label and doing all he can to display his SCORN for Cdn military, for “imperialist” Yankees, for alleged white privilege, for our legal system and for NATO as well!)

(Our idiot Boy tried to calm Yankees by offering to buy some worn out Australian Hornet fighters- while studiously IGNORING the Real Yankee complaint! That Our idiot Boy had- in 2016 - imported 50,000 mostly Syrian Muslims from refugee camps run buy Terror group Hamas! LIE-berals are now puzzled as to why Yankees see Muslim refugees as probable terror threats- and why Yankees sneered at the LIE-beral proposal to erase the NATO Slacker label by buying those Australian jets- while GUTTTING the rest of the Cdn military!)

( For some reason Yankees ARE NOT reassured by Hamas security assurances regarding people sent to Caanda! Nor are Yankees reassured by Cdn security arrangements that feature Our idiot Boy taking a Sikh terrorist with him on a state visit to India- where the Sikh had been CONVICTED! Nor are Yankees happy with Cdn security that would let an accused Muslim terrorist pose for a selfie with Our idiot Boy- without Cdn cops noticing!!)

(And Yankees are even peeved at LIE-berals who think it is a fine thing to import some hundreds of thousands of illegals from around the world- with the usual utter LACK of security checks! LIE-berlas are bewildered as to why Yankees would be unhappy with letting total strangers- carrying newly issued Cdn passports that LIE-berals are giving out like they were worthless- just wander into United States as if all Cdns were equally trustworthy- when it is manifestly OBVIOUS that the opposite is true! Some so called Cdns are excited about opportunities to insult or injure Yankees!)

Even the Americans are considering buying a foreign design to replace that part of their really aging surface fleet. Specialist designers may do a better job. The Americans always have sturdy vessels of that sort but they are never cutting edge, exactly. The big experiment that they have going now is with the "littoral" classes of warships being launched right now but the jury is still out as to whether they are sea dogs or just plain dogs.

(And there is one last LIE-beral bit of Fake News! The ONLY TIME Yankees contract out anything is when they are getting worried about COSTS! Sadly it is a fact that a basic hull can be constructed by third world workers much cheaper than western unionized workers- and this is the sole interest of Yankees! Yankees WILL NOT be letting anybody outside United States install any weapons or electronic gear of any sort! Third world workers will be doing nothing more than building basic hulls and installing nothing more than bunks and kitchen equipment!)

(LIE-berals efforts to erase that NATO Slacker label have FAILED as completely as all other LIE-beral policy! And stalling and delaying will not erase that fact!)