Trudeau’s arrogance, disdain, and outward contempt towards the West


Decapoda
+2
#61
Quote: Originally Posted by Decapoda View Post

I'm doubtful that the plan ever was, or ever will be completion of the project and sale back to a private sector buyer. Trudeau is going to piss off one side or the other...better to just stall the project out indefinitely. It's only taxpayer money after all, why not waste billions to try and play both sides. Sounds like Trudeau's style.

One would think that the level of sneering pretentiousness Trudeau displays toward the people he supposedly represents would be enough to turn even the most devout Liberal off. One thing's for sure, there is no doubt this mentally deficient fool is trying to stall this project out until after Oct. 2019. I guess it's only the future of Canada's resource economy that's at risk, no big deal.


Trudeau's odd remarks siding with the court on Trans Mountain ruling

We’re left scratching our heads after some rather bizarre remarks Prime Minister Justin Trudeau delivered on Wednesday concerning the court’s squashing of Trans Mountain.

This is something the PM should be lamenting. But instead, he seems to be half celebrating it. Or, at the very least, gladly rationalizing it.

“When you look at the heart of the decision, the court actually gives a path forward,” Trudeau said of the Federal Court of Appeal decision on radio station 630 CHED in Edmonton.

The court complained about the National Energy Board’s review of the project, calling it flawed. They also said the government failed in their duty to meaningful consultations with First Nations groups.

“(The court) says ‘you need to do better and deeper consultation with Indigenous peoples if you want to get projects like this built, and you have to make sure you’re taking into account all the environmental impacts,” Trudeau continued. “This is something I’ve been saying for a long time.”

Huh? It’s almost like he’s doing a schoolboy’s chant of “I told you so.”

Instead of siding with the court’s terrible decision, he should be instantly challenging it. Both via legal mechanisms and by fighting it out in the court of public opinion.
 
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Mowich
Conservative
+3
#62
Quote: Originally Posted by Decapoda View Post

One would think that the level of sneering pretentiousness Trudeau displays toward the people he supposedly represents would be enough to turn even the most devout Liberal off. One thing's for sure, there is no doubt this mentally deficient fool is trying to stall this project out until after Oct. 2019. I guess it's only the future of Canada's resource economy that's at risk, no big deal.


Trudeau's odd remarks siding with the court on Trans Mountain ruling

We’re left scratching our heads after some rather bizarre remarks Prime Minister Justin Trudeau delivered on Wednesday concerning the court’s squashing of Trans Mountain.

This is something the PM should be lamenting. But instead, he seems to be half celebrating it. Or, at the very least, gladly rationalizing it.

“When you look at the heart of the decision, the court actually gives a path forward,” Trudeau said of the Federal Court of Appeal decision on radio station 630 CHED in Edmonton.

The court complained about the National Energy Board’s review of the project, calling it flawed. They also said the government failed in their duty to meaningful consultations with First Nations groups.

“(The court) says ‘you need to do better and deeper consultation with Indigenous peoples if you want to get projects like this built, and you have to make sure you’re taking into account all the environmental impacts,” Trudeau continued. “This is something I’ve been saying for a long time.”

Huh? It’s almost like he’s doing a schoolboy’s chant of “I told you so.”

Instead of siding with the court’s terrible decision, he should be instantly challenging it. Both via legal mechanisms and by fighting it out in the court of public opinion.


He may have been saying it for a long time, Dec but he did NOTHING to address the problems. NOTHING. Sorry for shouting, but this just burns my butt something fierce. I get even more steamed when I fail to see so much as one reporter ask him these questions. Why did you fail to act upon those words? Why were the problems not addressed three years ago when your government took over the file? Do you or will you admit that you and your government alone are solely responsible for adding a 4.5 billion debt to the Canadian economy through sheer carelessness and a failure of due diligence?
 
Mowich
Conservative
+1
#63
Trans Mountain Caught in Never-ending Trance

“The current state of affairs in Canada is such that building a pipeline to tidewater is practically impossible,” says Alberta Premier Rachel Notley. Truer words were rarely spoken. These ones were spoken at an August 30 press conference as the courts set back the TransMountain pipeline expansion. The hurdles, it seems, never-end.

The Federal Court of Appeal decided that the National Energy Board had an “unjustifiable failure” when it did not consider the effect of increased tanker traffic on water and marine life. It also ruled that there was inadequate consultation with First Nations as well. The court even added the federal government should have known better than to listen to the NEB, but insisted that a rectification process could be “brief and efficient,” resulting in only a “brief delay in the project.”

Really?

Moments later, the shareholders for Kinder Morgan held their pre-scheduled meeting to approve the $4.5 billion sale of the TransMountain Pipeline to the federal government. This was called “a surreal coincidence” by the Edmonton Journal, though skeptics might have a more dubious assessment.

43 First Nations groups have approved the project, 12 in alberta, 31 in BC https://globalnews.ca/news/4420341/t...d-happen-next/

The road ahead just got stretched, which had already been long. Kinder Morgan’s submitted its proposed Trans Mountain pipeline expansion to the NEB in 2013. It largely stuck to the same path as its initial pipeline, which had been in use in 1953. Only 11 percent of the route required new right-of-way approvals. The federal government approved the pipeline proposal in 2016, but the change of British Columbia’s provincial government brought fresh and determined opposition to the project. As a result, Kinder Morgan announced in April it would suspend the project until it received assurances. The federal government offered to buy the pipeline, something that happened just after the court verdict.

Against all odds, the project seemed to be making progress. On August 23th, the Supreme Court rejected an appeal by the City of Burnaby trying to stop the pipeline. It was the 17th straight legal victory for the project. The National Energy Board is used to being in court. It’s a lose-lose situation for taxpayers, who often fund both sides of the argument and the courts that adjudicate. The NEB defends itself on one side, sometimes with the help of provincial governments, while the opponents are most often municipal or provincial governments or First Nation bands.

In all, 43 First Nation bands had endorsed the project. They had secured the support of all the bands through whom the pipeline went and, by Kinder Morgan’s estimate, 80 percent of those nearby. The bands were looking forward to $400 million they had agreed to receive from Kinder Morgan, not to mention the employment provided as the pipeline made its way west. The only money coastal bands could hope for from this pipeline proposal is from pipeline opponents, such as the foundations in the United States which have funded and co-ordinated anti-oil sands efforts for at least ten years now.

The courts have recognized a “duty to consult” Aboriginal bands, but its interpretation has been largely left to judicial whims. Courts have consistently shown that the duty to consult Aboriginal bands does not constitute a veto. How reasonable or productive would it be to talk to coastal bands who would never agree to a pipeline or more west coast oil tankers? The project was already addressing 157 conditions placed on it by the NEB. It even agreed to share part of the profits with a new BC Clean Communities Program to fund local projects for the betterment of BC’s natural and coastal environments.

Law professor Dwight Newman, who authored a book and academic paper on the duty to consult, believes that governments need to be more proactive in eliminating the legal uncertainty around pipelines. To this end, he is fully supportive of Bill S-245 the Trans Mountain Pipeline Project Act, which was introduced by Alberta senator Douglas Black in February. It would declare the Trans Mountain project to be “for the general advantage of Canada.” This would invoke 92(10)(c) of the Constitution Act to clarify federal jurisdiction over the project. Such powers have been invoked hundreds of times before, and, in Newman’s opinion, would have made the nationalization of the project unnecessary.

For its part, the federal government insists it still supports the project. Yet, whether Ottawa appeals to the Supreme Court or abides by the decision, pipeline construction has been set back at least six months. This leaves Canadian oil and gas exports largely cut off from Asia, and fetching sub-world prices in the U.S. But Canada can’t put its best foot forward so long as it is busy shooting it.

https://fcpp.org/2018/08/31/trans-mo...ending-trance/
 
pgs
Free Thinker
+1
#64
Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post

Trans Mountain Caught in Never-ending Trance

“The current state of affairs in Canada is such that building a pipeline to tidewater is practically impossible,” says Alberta Premier Rachel Notley. Truer words were rarely spoken. These ones were spoken at an August 30 press conference as the courts set back the TransMountain pipeline expansion. The hurdles, it seems, never-end.

The Federal Court of Appeal decided that the National Energy Board had an “unjustifiable failure” when it did not consider the effect of increased tanker traffic on water and marine life. It also ruled that there was inadequate consultation with First Nations as well. The court even added the federal government should have known better than to listen to the NEB, but insisted that a rectification process could be “brief and efficient,” resulting in only a “brief delay in the project.”

Really?

Moments later, the shareholders for Kinder Morgan held their pre-scheduled meeting to approve the $4.5 billion sale of the TransMountain Pipeline to the federal government. This was called “a surreal coincidence” by the Edmonton Journal, though skeptics might have a more dubious assessment.

43 First Nations groups have approved the project, 12 in alberta, 31 in BC https://globalnews.ca/news/4420341/t...d-happen-next/

The road ahead just got stretched, which had already been long. Kinder Morgan’s submitted its proposed Trans Mountain pipeline expansion to the NEB in 2013. It largely stuck to the same path as its initial pipeline, which had been in use in 1953. Only 11 percent of the route required new right-of-way approvals. The federal government approved the pipeline proposal in 2016, but the change of British Columbia’s provincial government brought fresh and determined opposition to the project. As a result, Kinder Morgan announced in April it would suspend the project until it received assurances. The federal government offered to buy the pipeline, something that happened just after the court verdict.

Against all odds, the project seemed to be making progress. On August 23th, the Supreme Court rejected an appeal by the City of Burnaby trying to stop the pipeline. It was the 17th straight legal victory for the project. The National Energy Board is used to being in court. It’s a lose-lose situation for taxpayers, who often fund both sides of the argument and the courts that adjudicate. The NEB defends itself on one side, sometimes with the help of provincial governments, while the opponents are most often municipal or provincial governments or First Nation bands.

In all, 43 First Nation bands had endorsed the project. They had secured the support of all the bands through whom the pipeline went and, by Kinder Morgan’s estimate, 80 percent of those nearby. The bands were looking forward to $400 million they had agreed to receive from Kinder Morgan, not to mention the employment provided as the pipeline made its way west. The only money coastal bands could hope for from this pipeline proposal is from pipeline opponents, such as the foundations in the United States which have funded and co-ordinated anti-oil sands efforts for at least ten years now.

The courts have recognized a “duty to consult” Aboriginal bands, but its interpretation has been largely left to judicial whims. Courts have consistently shown that the duty to consult Aboriginal bands does not constitute a veto. How reasonable or productive would it be to talk to coastal bands who would never agree to a pipeline or more west coast oil tankers? The project was already addressing 157 conditions placed on it by the NEB. It even agreed to share part of the profits with a new BC Clean Communities Program to fund local projects for the betterment of BC’s natural and coastal environments.

Law professor Dwight Newman, who authored a book and academic paper on the duty to consult, believes that governments need to be more proactive in eliminating the legal uncertainty around pipelines. To this end, he is fully supportive of Bill S-245 the Trans Mountain Pipeline Project Act, which was introduced by Alberta senator Douglas Black in February. It would declare the Trans Mountain project to be “for the general advantage of Canada.” This would invoke 92(10)(c) of the Constitution Act to clarify federal jurisdiction over the project. Such powers have been invoked hundreds of times before, and, in Newman’s opinion, would have made the nationalization of the project unnecessary.

For its part, the federal government insists it still supports the project. Yet, whether Ottawa appeals to the Supreme Court or abides by the decision, pipeline construction has been set back at least six months. This leaves Canadian oil and gas exports largely cut off from Asia, and fetching sub-world prices in the U.S. But Canada can’t put its best foot forward so long as it is busy shooting it.

https://fcpp.org/2018/08/31/trans-mo...ending-trance/

And as many as eight thousand highly paid workers , without any .
 
Liberalman
Free Thinker
#65
Trudeau loves all of Canada from sea to sea to sea. Like his father he thought Alberta was number one. Trudeau is the best for Canada. Trudeau will be re-elected as long as he wants it
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#66
Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman View Post

Trudeau loves all of Canada from sea to sea to sea. Like his father he thought Alberta was number one. Trudeau is the best for Canada. Trudeau will be re-elected as long as he wants it

Thank you .
 
Hoid
#67
there will be no supreme court appeal to a ruling of the court of appeals.

what grounds could they appeal on? That the court failed to take into account that projects like this routinely break the rules and trample on people's rights?