Gatherin of Conservatives Calls For 3rd Party


Tecumsehsbones
#31
Quote: Originally Posted by tay View Post

At the “Alberta Can’t Wait” meeting

the obvious solution was "It's down the hall on the left."
 
Curious Cdn
#32
"This is not so different from the mistake made by the Democratic Party in the United States, which underestimated Donald Trump’s ability and willingness to use perverse notions of Western decline to his advantage."
 
DaSleeper
#33
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

"This is not so different from the mistake made by the Democratic Party in the United States, which underestimated Donald Trump’s ability and willingness to use perverse notions of Western decline to his advantage."

 
tay
#34
A last-minute news conference with PC leader Jason Kenney Friday morning posed a glimmer of unite-plan possibilities, but that faded when it became clear Wildrose Leader Brian Jean wasn’t coming.

Instead, as the NDP marked two years since the 2015 election that shot them into power, Kenney slammed the government for what he called two years of “ideological, socialist” rule.

“This is the reason why free-enterprise Albertans need to unite — to ensure the defeat of this government next election — and we’re working hard on that,” Kenney said.

It was six weeks ago that Kenney stood in the same spot in front of the Alberta Federal Building in Edmonton and declared his optimism there would be a roadmap to unity in four to six weeks.

On Friday, Kenney said that had been more of an aspirational goal than anything.

Unity is getting close, Kenney said, with the differences between the Wildrose and PCs narrowing considerably.

He wouldn’t weigh into what those differences are, saying he won’t negotiate in public, but said there are dozens of issues to sort out, from legal and governance questions to developing a statement of principles.

“I’m optimistic we’ll come in close to our timeline here,” he said, but would go no further than the word “soon.”

Jean has also bandied that word around, doing so again in a YouTube video posted online Friday.

“The news I have is encouraging,” he said.

“The unity discussion group has made significant headway and I’m very optimistic they will come out of this with a proposal for our members to review.”

Like Kenney, Jean has been hesitant to weigh into negotiations publicly, although he reiterated this week that he’s still behind the idea of a new united party being built on the Wildrose framework.

Jean’s argument in the past has been it would preserve his party’s strong legal basis.

It would also allow Wildrose to keep its significant war chest, since Alberta elections law doesn’t allow the transfer of assets between parties.

The PC leader received some criticism last week when he showed up in Vancouver, where a provincial election is currently being fought.

On Friday, Kenney denied he was campaigning for the Liberals, saying he was there mostly for a conference, but also attended one event with some “personal political friends” and one with the Vancouver Centre Conservative Party of Canada constituency association.

Kenney said a new conservative force might look a lot like the B.C. Liberal Party, but that doesn’t mean he agrees with the Liberals on every policy.

No matter the nature of a proposed unity agreement, Kenney is targeting — and expects — a majority vote far greater than 50 per cent plus one.

“At the end of the day, the members are in charge of the direction of the party, and 75 per cent of the members gave me a mandate to go in the unity direction,” he said.

“I’m going to be shooting for the biggest number we can get.”

As conservative unity deadline passes, Jason Kenney says it’s ‘close’ | Edmonton Journal
 
tay
#35
Maybe they should go with the WildCons........


Seriously, United Conservative Party? Well, it could’ve been worse. After all, it was basically the same group of people who floated the idea of the Canadian Reform Alliance Party around the turn of the century.

Yesterday, the PCs under Mr. Kenney and the Wildrosers led by Opposition Leader Brian Jean held a news conference in Edmonton to announce they’ve come up with a plan – a tentative one, actually – to merge the two parties. They’ve signed an agreement in principle that calls for members of both parties to vote on the deal on July 22 and choose a leader on Oct. 28 if they say yes.

This will not necessarily be easy. The Wildrose constitution requires a 75-per-cent ratification; the PCs’ 51 per cent. Many technical details remain to be resolved .

Alberta’s New Democrats certainly take this very seriously. Even with two competing conservative parties – which could still happen if the deal making comes a cropper, although it’s said here that’s unlikely – it will not be easy for New Democrats to get re-elected in this province. However, it is not, as so many on the right fervently believe, impossible.

Mr. Kenney certainly gave the impression at yesterday’s news conference in Edmonton that he thinks once the two conservative parties are united, the end of Premier Rachel Notley’s NDP Government is a slam-dunk the instant an election is called.

“This agreement ensures the defeat of this disastrous NDP government and the election of a free enterprise government that will renew the Alberta Advantage,” Mr. Kenney said in the clip Edmonton radio stations played over and over yesterday afternoon.

Mr. Jean’s comment was more thoughtful. The deal, he said, “cannot be based on a principle of gaining power for power’s sake. It must be about more than that.”

Arguably, three negative factors from the conservative perspective contributed directly to the election of the NDP in 2015. Only one was the division of the province’s right wing parties into two warring camps, which in many ridings didn’t make as much of a difference as the pro-conservative media’s narrative nowadays suggests.

The other two were Alberta voters’ distrust of the extremist far-right social conservative tendencies that seemed obvious at the time in the Wildrose Party, and the arrogance, entitlement and contempt for voters shown by the long-in-the-tooth PCs. Alert readers will recall that the PCs, who were coming up on their 45th anniversary in power, had in late 2014 engineered the attempted takeover of the Wildrose Party’s legislative caucus, a cynical maneuver Albertans across the political spectrum reacted to with revulsion.

Combined, these factors kept many voters who were fed up to here with the PCs from switching their votes as commentators expected to what was left of the Wildrose Party.

It is hard to see how the leadership of an intemperate social conservative like Mr. Kenney will remedy either of those problems for the Alberta right. Together in the UCP, it seems likely we will have a powerful political entity that combines the worst instincts of each party. This is quite clearly illustrated by Mr. Kenney’s news conference commentary.

Returning to the 2015 campaign, a positive factor helping the NDP was Premier Notley’s remarkable ability to leave voters with the impression she understood and respected them for voting for her opponents for so many years.

Given centrist voters’ dilemma in the spring of 2015, her political talent and empathetic personality, not to mention her law-trained debating skills, made it easy for them to give the NDP a whirl.

Mr. Kenney, by contrast, makes it clear in remarks like yesterday’s that he views Alberta voters with contempt for daring to support his political opponents, even once. His caricature of Ms. Notley’s pragmatic government in cartoonish ideological terms may please his most extreme supporters, but treats most middle-of-the-road voters as fools. His ongoing purge of moderate elements in his own party may satisfy the Wildrose hard core, but it will deprive him of the Red Tory early warning system when he oversteps his bounds and perhaps result in the creation of a new centre-right alternative party.

In this regard, Mr. Jean would be a better spokesperson for a united right, but the big money of the Tory Old Boys’ network has settled on Mr. Kenney as the most likely character to give them carte blanche if “conservative” government returns. This kind of insider entitlement is presumably what Mr. Kenney has in mind when he speaks of the return of the “Alberta Advantage.”

But the long-established conservative voting habits of Albertans will be hard for the NDP to overcome after a single term in office, though continuing improvement in the regional economy and Mr. Kenney’s obvious hubris and social conservative baggage may help.

So while the You See Pee may enter the 2019 election favoured by political odds makers, they are as capable of blowing their lead as they were in 2015 under Jim Prentice, the conservatives’ last Great Hope From Ottawa.

As Premier Notley observed yesterday, “whether it’s the Wildrose or the Tories, they clearly agree on things like making massive cuts to services in order to finance tax breaks for people at the top of the one per cent. They agree collectively on the fact that they’re not particularly sympathetic or supportive of LGBT rights. … They’re a group that are moving increasingly to more and more extreme positions, to the point where they may fall right off the map.”

Alberta PoliticsTories, Wildrosers agree to call new entity United Conservative Party


 
taxslave
#36
The problem with"uniting the right" is there are two basically distinct groups that are labeled as right. The religious fanatics, who are truly dangerous and the fiscal conservatives who are what is needed to run the economy. There are some that are in both groups but many fiscal conservatives cannot align with the fundies.
 
tay
#37
It's far from a done deal. Ratification requires a 'yes' vote from 75 per cent of Wildrose members and 50 per cent of Conservative members.

An executive member of the Lacombe Ponoka PC constituency association, Eileen Banks won't be one of them.

"It was a hostile takeover," said Banks. "There was no respect shown for the long-term members and supporters of the Progressive Conservative Party of Alberta — zero respect."

And while the proposed agreement lays out principles such as compassion for the less fortunate, that doesn't do enough to alleviate concerns held by Banks, who says Kenney hasn't clearly outlined his position on abortion or gay-straight alliances.

Banks said she and others plan to purchase a Wildrose membership, and vote 'no' twice. She urged others do the same. "Hold your nose, buy a Wildrose membership and sink this."

Banks said if the merger fails she expects Kenney to resign, which will allow Progressive Conservatives to rebuild their party.

In the meantime, she plans to vote NDP in the next election because of their "proven track record" in meeting her standards, adding they have done an "outstanding job under difficult circumstances."

Yager said the branding of the Wildrose "as a bunch of small-town, right-wing, knuckle-dragging wackos" continues to distress him. "I think it's free-enterprise with a social conscience."

The vote takes place July 22.

Wildrose, PC members urged to support merger while some plot its undoing - Edmonton - CBC News
 
Curious Cdn
#38
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

The problem with"uniting the right" is there are two basically distinct groups that are labeled as right. The religious fanatics, who are truly dangerous and the fiscal conservatives who are what is needed to run the economy. There are some that are in both groups but many fiscal conservatives cannot align with the fundies.

Amen. Steven Harper was masterful at keeping a lid on the former group. They wanted to outlaw abortion, for instance but Harper obviously knew that the debate itself is political Kryptonite and his govenment stuck with fiscal conservancy, up to near the end, anyway. Lots of Canadian conservatives confuse themselves with being northern Republicans. Our cultures are sufficiently divergent between the two countries that what works there, clangs like a bell here.
 
tay
#39
'This is do or die’: Jason Kenney rallies supporters as conservative unity vote nears

With less than three weeks to go until Progressive Conservative (PC) and Wildrose party members vote on whether to unite and form a new conservative party in Alberta, PC leader Jason Kenney

yheld a town hall at a south Edmonton hotel where he encouraged his supporters to vote yes to bringing them together.

“We have to make a hard decision on July 22,” Kenney said to reporters after his speech Wednesday night.

‘This is do or die’: Jason Kenney rallies supporters as conservative unity vote nears | Globalnews.ca
 
tay
#40
A new Mainstreet poll find the United Conservative Party would form a majority government if an election were held today. The Mainstreet poll has a margin of error of ± 2.14%, 19 times out of 20.

“It appears to be a summer of love for the newly minted United Conservative Party (UCP) in Alberta. Just over a week ago, both the Progressive Conservative Party and the Wildrose Party membership voted overwhelmingly to ratify the unification deal struck by the parties and that appears to be paying immediate dividends,” said Quito Maggi, President of Mainstreet Research. “But of course, there is no election yet – and more importantly, the UCP still needs a permanent leader. One side-effect of the merger vote appears to be a spike in the number of undecided voters. In April, 15% of voters were undecided, that number is now 27% on the generic ballot, nearly double.”

NDP 29% (+5), UCP 57% (NEW), Liberal 4% (-1), Alberta 9% (+4)

“Now we enter the Leadership contest between the frontrunners Jason Kenney, recently elected leader of the Progressive Conservatives and Brian Jean of the Wildrose. If we learned anything from the recent PC leadership contest, it is the divisive and combative nature of such contests can take a toll on a political brand. Jason Kenney who began the contest with a highly positive net favourability score ended the contest (which he won handily) with just a +9 net favourability score (41% favourable, 32% unfavourable).”

“The caution for the United Conservative Party leadership hopefuls is that a spirited contest can lead to increased excitement and support, but it can also have a negative effect on candidates. These numbers point to a majority government in the next election, but Rachel Notley and the NDP have time on their side. That combined with renewed strength in the economy in Alberta, means a unified Conservative Party cannot take anything for granted leading up to the 2019 election.”

http://www.mainstreetresearch.ca/con...e-summer-love/
 
Dixie Cup
#41
I'm hoping Brian Jean wins the leadership but will willingly change my mind once I know more about what other potential candidates have to say. Not impressed w/Kenny. Also interested in hearing more from the Alberta party.
 
Durry
#42
Quote: Originally Posted by Dixie Cup View Post

I'm hoping Brian Jean wins the leadership but will willingly change my mind once I know more about what other potential candidates have to say. Not impressed w/Kenny. Also interested in hearing more from the Alberta party.

The Alberta party is not concerned about Albertans, they are a selfish group and the leader Dave ?? Is only concerned about himself and having his own little party to lead so as to keep paying him his AB salary.
He will continue to tinker with policy ideas to stir controversy, but he is NOT a leader of a large party. He is self centered and selfish.

I think Kenny is a better communicator than Jean, and he is probably more politically astute than Jean
 
Johnnny
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The Con bots need to honestly get with the times.

Imagine that there might be people out there who would vote for a party that might "understand" the word, "fiscal".

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tay
#44
– Albertans seem happy with the prospect of Brian Jean becoming leader of the United Conservative Party (UCP), a new Insights West poll has found.


In the online survey of a representative provincial sample, 44% of Albertans say they have a favourable opinion of Jean, including 74% of those who voted for the Wildrose Party in the 2015 provincial election and 61% of those who supported the Progressive Conservatives.

The numbers are lower for fellow UCP leadership hopeful Jason Kenney. Only one third of Albertans (32%) have a favourable view of Kenney, including 55% of Wildrose voters and 54% of Progressive Conservative voters.

Jean is also viewed more favourably than Kenney by Albertans who voted for the governing New Democratic Party (NDP) in 2015 (26% for Jean and 11% for Kenney).

https://insightswest.com/news/jean-s...ty-in-alberta/
 
coldstream
#45
If a national party could be formed that supported small 'c' conservative social principles, a strong federated union and economic policies are nationalist, populist, dirigiste and progressive i'd support them in an instant.

But the Conservative Party of Canada has been under the control of NeoConservatives for decades. Under the cruddy, phony leaderships of Brian Mulroney and Stephen Harper they give lip service only to social conservatism and are rabid supporters of Free Trade, Monetarism, Deregulation, Privatization. They are quislings for global oligarchs and federal deconstructionists. They expect to be well rewarded by them on their retirement for services rendered.

They in no way promote real conservatism or an evolution of the policies of John A. MacDonald, the founding visionary of the party and of the country. It is inundated with Canada's pathetic Business Establishment, post-nationalists who are far more interested in lowering their marginal tax rates than serving their country. Or to the provincial potentates who want to turn Canada into an abstraction subservient to regional power interests.

They are really all Classic Economic Liberals with their pillars of of Free Markets and laissez faire regulatory policies.. and they are cultural libertarians who have no moral standards at all beyond 'do as thy please' but don't get in the way of business.
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White_Unifier
#46
Closed borders, protectionism, sounds like North Korea.