Quote: Originally Posted by petros
The reason it isn't taught much in school as a genocide is people are still debating whether the Ukrainians were targeted for being Ukrainian (which is what would make it a genocide) or whether it was just the unintended result of Stalin's policies of collectivization.
I take it you've never been there?
Where? The famine occurred over the entire soviet union, it extended in parts of the Ukraine SSR that were ethnically Russia (like Crimea) and parts outside the Ukraine which were in no way Ukrainian.
Its an emotional issue with Ukrainians because so many died and it helped ferment Ukranian nationalism. Its one of the "National Myths", not in that its fake, but that its been taken out of historical and into political arenas.
Much like the US national myth of its fight for independance, ignoring that half the population fought against it and it only succeeded due to french intervention.
The US really did secede from the British Empire, but you'd never get a US patriot/nationalist to take an objective look at the matter.
Nor will you get a Ukranian, Georgian , Kazahk or Russian to look at it fairly. Ukranians think it targetted them, Russians often think Stalin targeted them because he was Georgian, Georgians think they were targeted because the Russian elite hated Stalin getting the helm and Kazahks and Germans, well they have ample reason to feel hated.
Not every crime against humanity is genocide in the same way not every capital offence is homocide. That doesn't mean other crimes are less serious (ie, Rape isn't homocide but its still a horrid crime) but you can't throw the label around in error.