8 reasons why Scots voted ‘No’ to independence


B00Mer
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8 reasons why Scots voted ‘No’ to independence



Scottish citizens have voted to stay in the UK, with the ‘No’ camp securing 55 percent of votes against 45 percent for ‘Yes’. Support for independence energized huge swaths of the population. So why did the majority vote ‘No’?

It's No: Scotland votes to stay in UK - YouTube

source: 8 reasons why Scots voted ?No? to independence ? RT UK

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Hope the Quebecois will get over themselves now and see Canada as a whole country for the next 100 years or so.

Although, severing ties to a Welfare state would be a benefit to Canadians and Canada, I guess we can let them suckle from the breast a little longer, before we kick them out of the basement.
 
Blackleaf
#2
It's not only a blow for Quebec, but it's also a blow to other regions in other countries wanting to break away.

The Spanish, for example, were desperate for a NO vote in the Scottish referendum because, had Scotland voted YES, that would have spurred on their separatist movements, like that in the Basque region, to campaign for a similar referendum. In fact, if all the regions of Spain that wanted to breakaway managed to achieve that, there wouldn't be much left of Spain.

So Scotland's decision to stay in the UK was a blow to many nationalist movements.
 
gore0bsessed
#3
Russia calls foul over Scottish referendum | Politics | theguardian.com

Russia calls foul over Scottish referendum

Russian observers say the count took place in rooms that were too big and did not meet international standards




Russia calls foul over Scottish referendum

Russian observers say the count took place in rooms that were too big and did not meet international standards






Ballot boxes are opened as counting begins in the Scottish referendum in Aberdeen. Photograph: Scott Heppell/AP

Russia has said the conduct of the Scottish referendum "did not meet international standards", with its observers complaining the count took place in rooms that were too big and that the procedure was badly flawed.
In an apparent attempt to mirror persistent western criticism of Russia's own elections, Igor Borisov – an accredited observer – said the poll failed to meet basic international norms.


Borisov and three other Russians arrived in Edinburgh on Wednesday evening, the state news agency Ria Novosti reported. The team from Moscow's Public Institute of Suffrage watched voting take place in the Scottish capital and the surrounding area. It also met with Scottish politicians, voters and representatives from non-governmental organisations, Ria said.


Borisov said he was unimpressed by what he saw. He said the room where he watched the count on Thursday night was a cavernous "aircraft hangar" next to an airfield. It was difficult to see what was going on, he said, adding: "The hangar is approximately 100m by 300m. There are tables, with voting papers stacked upon them, but the observers are stuck around the perimeter. Even if you want to, it's impossible to tell what's happening. It's also unclear where the boxes with ballot papers come from."


Borisov said the US state department, the UK and other western countries loudly hectored the Kremlin about Russia's supposed democratic deficiencies. But in this instance, he said, London and Edinburgh had not "fully met" the requirements of a proper referendum.


"Nobody was interested in who was bringing in the voting slips. There were no stamps or signatures as the bulletins were handed over," he said.


Supporters of the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, had been fervently hoping for a yes vote. Some Russian nationalists had even fixed yes badges to their Twitter profiles, with one –Konstantin Rykov – adding a "Mc" to the front of his Cyrillic surname. (The badge and "Mc" had disappeared by Friday morning). The Kremlin apparently saw Scottish independence as a way of justifying its own hasty annexation of Crimea in March, following a "referendum" conducted in just three weeks and condemned by the west, as armed Russian forces and irregulars swarmed over the Crimean peninsula. Moscow also felt that a yes vote would weaken the UK and bring to power a post-independence Scottish government more amenable to Moscow's wishes. Alex Salmond, Scotland's first minister, expressed qualified admiration for President Putin in an interview with GQ in March.


The Kremlin propaganda channel RT, meanwhile, speculated that the result might have been rigged and expressed surprise at the "North Korean" levels of turnout.


Afshin Rattsani, the presenter of RT's Going Underground show, said there were "international considerations", such as the UK's nuclear deterrent, which had affected the outcome. He said: "With the vote as close as this, with the mainstream media on one side, with a massive amount of people from Westminster running up to beg Scotland the other way, and certain recounts in certain bits of the poll, which way did the vote go, really?"


He added: "It is normally the sort of turnout you would expect in North Korea. Usually media here would go 'we don't believe it. How can it be nearly 90%?'".
 
taxslave
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Mostly it was economic reality that prevented a yes. All of a sudden there would have to be a new coin minted, an armed forces built andmoneyfound for a welfare program. Somehow like in Quebec separtists expected to go their own way and still have all the benifits they now have with no cost.

Quote: Originally Posted by gore0bsessed View Post

Russia calls foul over Scottish referendum | Politics | theguardian.com

Russia calls foul over Scottish referendum

Russian observers say the count took place in rooms that were too big and did not meet international standards




Russia calls foul over Scottish referendum

Russian observers say the count took place in rooms that were too big and did not meet international standards






Ballot boxes are opened as counting begins in the Scottish referendum in Aberdeen. Photograph: Scott Heppell/AP

Russia has said the conduct of the Scottish referendum "did not meet international standards", with its observers complaining the count took place in rooms that were too big and that the procedure was badly flawed.
In an apparent attempt to mirror persistent western criticism of Russia's own elections, Igor Borisov – an accredited observer – said the poll failed to meet basic international norms.


Borisov and three other Russians arrived in Edinburgh on Wednesday evening, the state news agency Ria Novosti reported. The team from Moscow's Public Institute of Suffrage watched voting take place in the Scottish capital and the surrounding area. It also met with Scottish politicians, voters and representatives from non-governmental organisations, Ria said.


Borisov said he was unimpressed by what he saw. He said the room where he watched the count on Thursday night was a cavernous "aircraft hangar" next to an airfield. It was difficult to see what was going on, he said, adding: "The hangar is approximately 100m by 300m. There are tables, with voting papers stacked upon them, but the observers are stuck around the perimeter. Even if you want to, it's impossible to tell what's happening. It's also unclear where the boxes with ballot papers come from."


Borisov said the US state department, the UK and other western countries loudly hectored the Kremlin about Russia's supposed democratic deficiencies. But in this instance, he said, London and Edinburgh had not "fully met" the requirements of a proper referendum.


"Nobody was interested in who was bringing in the voting slips. There were no stamps or signatures as the bulletins were handed over," he said.


Supporters of the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, had been fervently hoping for a yes vote. Some Russian nationalists had even fixed yes badges to their Twitter profiles, with one –Konstantin Rykov – adding a "Mc" to the front of his Cyrillic surname. (The badge and "Mc" had disappeared by Friday morning). The Kremlin apparently saw Scottish independence as a way of justifying its own hasty annexation of Crimea in March, following a "referendum" conducted in just three weeks and condemned by the west, as armed Russian forces and irregulars swarmed over the Crimean peninsula. Moscow also felt that a yes vote would weaken the UK and bring to power a post-independence Scottish government more amenable to Moscow's wishes. Alex Salmond, Scotland's first minister, expressed qualified admiration for President Putin in an interview with GQ in March.


The Kremlin propaganda channel RT, meanwhile, speculated that the result might have been rigged and expressed surprise at the "North Korean" levels of turnout.


Afshin Rattsani, the presenter of RT's Going Underground show, said there were "international considerations", such as the UK's nuclear deterrent, which had affected the outcome. He said: "With the vote as close as this, with the mainstream media on one side, with a massive amount of people from Westminster running up to beg Scotland the other way, and certain recounts in certain bits of the poll, which way did the vote go, really?"


He added: "It is normally the sort of turnout you would expect in North Korea. Usually media here would go 'we don't believe it. How can it be nearly 90%?'".

Like we care what the greatest threat to democracy thinks.
 
gore0bsessed
#5
Here are your NO voters




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School student Katie Cocozza poses at her friends house in Linlithgow in central Scotland on March 16, 2014. Katie will be 16 when she votes in September and plans to vote "No" at the moment. She said, "There is a lack of engagement within my year group and we haven't seen much campaign material from each of the political parties explaining their position and the effects it would have specifically for my generation."




Zak Clarkson, who will be 16 at the time of the referendum, poses outside Lochend amateur boxing club in Edinburgh on March 6, 2014. Zak plans to vote "No" in the referendum. He said, "We are stronger together as Great Britain, especially in things like the Olympics. I also think we have a better army within Great Britain."

Roflmfao.
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by gore0bsessed View Post

Here are your NO voters




12
School student Katie Cocozza poses at her friends house in Linlithgow in central Scotland on March 16, 2014. Katie will be 16 when she votes in September and plans to vote "No" at the moment. She said, "There is a lack of engagement within my year group and we haven't seen much campaign material from each of the political parties explaining their position and the effects it would have specifically for my generation."




Zak Clarkson, who will be 16 at the time of the referendum, poses outside Lochend amateur boxing club in Edinburgh on March 6, 2014. Zak plans to vote "No" in the referendum. He said, "We are stronger together as Great Britain, especially in things like the Olympics. I also think we have a better army within Great Britain."

Roflmfao.

Don't you hate it when people your age are so much smarter than you?
 
gore0bsessed
#7
No. But that doesn't apply here.
 
Kreskin
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Quote: Originally Posted by gore0bsessed View Post

Here are your NO voters




12
School student Katie Cocozza poses at her friends house in Linlithgow in central Scotland on March 16, 2014. Katie will be 16 when she votes in September and plans to vote "No" at the moment. She said, "There is a lack of engagement within my year group and we haven't seen much campaign material from each of the political parties explaining their position and the effects it would have specifically for my generation."




Zak Clarkson, who will be 16 at the time of the referendum, poses outside Lochend amateur boxing club in Edinburgh on March 6, 2014. Zak plans to vote "No" in the referendum. He said, "We are stronger together as Great Britain, especially in things like the Olympics. I also think we have a better army within Great Britain."

Roflmfao.

Very astute kids. The YES crowd didn't them a clear picture of an independent future. They didn't fall for politicians feeding them cherry-picked stats, cliches and rose-colored half truths.
 
gore0bsessed
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There's nothing astute about wanting to compete better in the Olympics or have a better military.
 
DaSleeper
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The obsessed one looking to Russia as a model for free elections.....pathetic


Next.....
 
#juan
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All in all the referendum was a great, fizzeling, wet firecracker. I was expecting a battle to the wire with the yes side
fighting tooth and nail against the no side......hell.....The battle was probably over by eleven o'clock last night with the
no side winning by a comfortable 55 to 45 percent margin. We'll probably have to do this again in another hundred years or so.
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by #juan View Post

All in all the referendum was a great, fizzeling, wet firecracker. I was expecting a battle to the wire with the yes side
fighting tooth and nail against the no side......hell.....The battle was probably over by eleven o'clock last night with the
no side winning by a comfortable 55 to 45 percent margin. We'll probably have to do this again in another hundred years or so.

Why? Do it next year, the year after at the latest!
 
Blackleaf
#13
The Russians lecturing people on democracy! The irony.

I think Scotland, and the United Kingdom as a whole, should be proud of such a great example of democracy.

With a huge turnout in Scotland last night, the people really did speak.
 
damngrumpy
#14
While personally disappointed the will of the majority is the way of democracy
I do find it disappointing that people didn't take the opportunity to explore their
own destiny when given the chance. I wonder if this is the end, will it become
an ongoing issue like Quebec? I hope not I think if they are to try again it should
be a long way down the road, It is counter productive to have successive votes
on an issue that at the moment is decided.
 
Kreskin
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Quote: Originally Posted by gore0bsessed View Post

There's nothing astute about wanting to compete better in the Olympics or have a better military.

At least the vision is based on fact.
 
BruSan
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Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

Why? Do it next year, the year after at the latest!

That will happen now regardless as they've found that well known Quebec feature of whining gets you something you didn't have yesterday.


Whanna get rid of that nuclear reactor on our north shore why we'll just enact another referendum vote with that thrown in as one of the reasons why, et-voila filthy Thurso reactor gone overnight!
 
gore0bsessed
#17
Scottish "No" vote versus disposable income by region

 
Colpy
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Quote: Originally Posted by gore0bsessed View Post

Russia calls foul over Scottish referendum | Politics | theguardian.com

Russia calls foul over Scottish referendum

Russian observers say the count took place in rooms that were too big and did not meet international standards




Russia calls foul over Scottish referendum

Russian observers say the count took place in rooms that were too big and did not meet international standards






Ballot boxes are opened as counting begins in the Scottish referendum in Aberdeen. Photograph: Scott Heppell/AP

Russia has said the conduct of the Scottish referendum "did not meet international standards", with its observers complaining the count took place in rooms that were too big and that the procedure was badly flawed.
In an apparent attempt to mirror persistent western criticism of Russia's own elections, Igor Borisov – an accredited observer – said the poll failed to meet basic international norms.


Borisov and three other Russians arrived in Edinburgh on Wednesday evening, the state news agency Ria Novosti reported. The team from Moscow's Public Institute of Suffrage watched voting take place in the Scottish capital and the surrounding area. It also met with Scottish politicians, voters and representatives from non-governmental organisations, Ria said.


Borisov said he was unimpressed by what he saw. He said the room where he watched the count on Thursday night was a cavernous "aircraft hangar" next to an airfield. It was difficult to see what was going on, he said, adding: "The hangar is approximately 100m by 300m. There are tables, with voting papers stacked upon them, but the observers are stuck around the perimeter. Even if you want to, it's impossible to tell what's happening. It's also unclear where the boxes with ballot papers come from."


Borisov said the US state department, the UK and other western countries loudly hectored the Kremlin about Russia's supposed democratic deficiencies. But in this instance, he said, London and Edinburgh had not "fully met" the requirements of a proper referendum.


"Nobody was interested in who was bringing in the voting slips. There were no stamps or signatures as the bulletins were handed over," he said.


Supporters of the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, had been fervently hoping for a yes vote. Some Russian nationalists had even fixed yes badges to their Twitter profiles, with one –Konstantin Rykov – adding a "Mc" to the front of his Cyrillic surname. (The badge and "Mc" had disappeared by Friday morning). The Kremlin apparently saw Scottish independence as a way of justifying its own hasty annexation of Crimea in March, following a "referendum" conducted in just three weeks and condemned by the west, as armed Russian forces and irregulars swarmed over the Crimean peninsula. Moscow also felt that a yes vote would weaken the UK and bring to power a post-independence Scottish government more amenable to Moscow's wishes. Alex Salmond, Scotland's first minister, expressed qualified admiration for President Putin in an interview with GQ in March.


The Kremlin propaganda channel RT, meanwhile, speculated that the result might have been rigged and expressed surprise at the "North Korean" levels of turnout.


Afshin Rattsani, the presenter of RT's Going Underground show, said there were "international considerations", such as the UK's nuclear deterrent, which had affected the outcome. He said: "With the vote as close as this, with the mainstream media on one side, with a massive amount of people from Westminster running up to beg Scotland the other way, and certain recounts in certain bits of the poll, which way did the vote go, really?"


He added: "It is normally the sort of turnout you would expect in North Korea. Usually media here would go 'we don't believe it. How can it be nearly 90%?'".

You're NOT serious,............are you??

PUTIN says the UK runs a crooked election??

The Scottish nationalists obviously tried to weigh the vote by lowering the voting age to 16 years, fer God's sake!!!!

And they still clearly and fairly LOST....big time.



 
Kreskin
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Quote: Originally Posted by gore0bsessed View Post

Scottish "No" vote versus disposable income by region

Which signifies what?
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

It's not only a blow for Quebec, but it's also a blow to other regions in other countries wanting to break away.

England is pretty well known for blowing people all over the world.
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

England is pretty well known for blowing people all over the world.

That must be why their teeth are all crooked.
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

That must be why their teeth are all crooked.

Yes, but do they understand irony.
 
tay
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bill barilko
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#24
So the sour drunkards now have another excuse to be....well...more sour and drunker than ever.
 
MHz
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

You're NOT serious,............are you??

PUTIN says the UK runs a crooked election??

The Scottish nationalists obviously tried to weigh the vote by lowering the voting age to 16 years, fer God's sake!!!!

And they still clearly and fairly LOST....big time.

Do you need the Queen herself to explain that they aren't an honest group?
To back up your claim you would have to show that they all voted to separate rather than voting to stay connected. Can't do can you so there goes your 'facts'.

Lets see how you 'big time' turns out. Did you not see the vids of the votes being tampered with or do you eyes automatically block out anything that you haven't already determined to be the truth.

Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

That must be why their teeth are all crooked.

That has more to do with incest. (and gnawing on acorns and asking the Royals if they are sure that is actually a full meal deal.
 
gore0bsessed
#26
Scottish independence: Video ‘proves vote was rigged,’ say Yes voters

BOOM! PROOF 'SCOTLAND INDEPENDENCE VOTE' WAS RIGGED! - YouTube

A video of a female vote counter appearing to place Yes votes in the No pile at a polling station has led to allegations by Scottish nationalists that the independence referendum was rigged.
Supporters of Scottish independence on social media – dubbed ‘Cybernats’ – have claimed that the video, taken at a Dundee polling station, and an image of a Clackmannanshire counting table show evidence that there was foul play in the election process.
 
petros
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#27
Ever worked an election? At the end of the day table space is at a premium and the photo can easily be taken out of context.
 
Blackleaf
#28
Bloody dopey Yank in that video commenting on something happening in a faraway land he knows little about.

And thank God I'm around, otherwise none of these silly conspiracy theorists would ever get demolished.

I seem to have noticed that the article and video which you have copied and pasted comes from the Metro website.

For some reason, you have neglected to mention the bit later on in the same article which states:


However, the conspiracy theory was quickly dismissed by vote counters while exasperated commentators told YES voters to ‘get a grip’, with one remarking ‘this is Scotland, not Sudan.’



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Yes Dundee @YesDundee Follow

To clarify, ballot papers have not yet been sorted into Yes/No and are just resting on table where No will go once sorted. No need to worry.


12:50 AM - 19 Sep 2014

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madison @howesx Follow

all the 'yes' voters are sulking so have brought out the "fixed" card. urm no, the majority of scotland have common sense
.#realitycheck


4:36 AM - 19 Sep 2014
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Robbie Callander @RobbieCallander Follow

If you think that one of the world's oldest democracy's, the UK, has rigged this referendum you need to get a grip. #indyref

2:06 AM - 19 Sep 2014

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Scottish independence: Video 'proves vote was rigged,' say Yes voters | Metro News
 
gore0bsessed
#29
it was rigged

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v...type=2&theater
 
petros
#30
Rigged like schooner?