Gun Control is Completely Useless.


Curious Cdn
Conservative
#11941
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

To wack-jobs, yeah. On the upside, your head of government, for all that he's a useless, feckless pretty boy, isn't actively pumping up Nazism in your country.

It's quite marginal here, although you wouldn't know it by reading this forum. To the West of us where men are men and so are a lot of the women, the extreme right might attract ... just barely ... double digit support.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
+1
#11942
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

To wack-jobs, yeah. On the upside, your head of government, for all that he's a useless, feckless pretty boy, isn't actively pumping up Nazism in your country.


He will be replaced soon, the public still at large is beginning to listen to the idiot closer than they had in the past, he,s an empty bucket what can be filled with slop and flung at the average Canadian as if it were fairy dust. That specimins training is of the sort. He,s photogenic of course but they should keep his mouth shut unless absolutely it must be engaged. His supposed progenator was leaps and bounds ahead of the idiot in smarts.
 
MHz
#11943
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

Will someone please translate the above post in intelligent language huh?

Why do you need to know, see your name anywhere in it?
 
MHz
#11944
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

He will be replaced soon, the public still at large is beginning to listen to the idiot closer than they had in the past, he,s an empty bucket what can be filled with slop and flung at the average Canadian as if it were fairy dust. That specimins training is of the sort. He,s photogenic of course but they should keep his mouth shut unless absolutely it must be engaged. His supposed progenator was leaps and bounds ahead of the idiot in smarts.

Before the hanging you better see who is waiting in the wings.

Want to know who has graduated from the M. Albright School of Not Charm? Wicked witch of the west is a job title in their world.

 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
-1
#11945
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

Will someone please translate the above post in intelligent language huh?


Maybe best just to let it go. He may be engaging in a little soliloquy!
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
-1
#11946
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Why do you need to know, see your name anywhere in it?


No need to get cheeky now!
 
MHz
#11947
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Maybe best just to let it go. He may be engaging in a little soliloquy!

Fuk you retard.

That coming across clear or not?
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
-1
#11948
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Fuk you retard.

That coming across clear or not?


Ooooooooooooh, sounds like we are in high dudgeon today.
 
MHz
#11949
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

No need to get cheeky now!

You trying to up your post count again?? (without adding any real substance) So far you rolling the dice with me has not worked out in your favor, why would you think that has change? (or is this to show you are a member of the collective rather than you have come across a rational lately)
 
JamesBondo
#11950
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Both of the synagogues in my neighborhood have armed cops standing by whenever there is an activity in the synagogue.

but the schools have to call when there is trouble?
 
Tecumsehsbones
#11951
Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondo View Post

but the schools have to call when there is trouble?

No, but nice try.
 
JamesBondo
#11952
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

No, but nice try.

so the schools have police?
 
Tecumsehsbones
#11953
Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondo View Post

so the schools have police?

Yes. Congratulations on following that trail of logic.
 
Colpy
Conservative
+3
#11954
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Both of the synagogues in my neighborhood have armed cops standing by whenever there is an activity in the synagogue.


Geezus, what is it about the JOOS that sets the whack jobs off so badly?


I don't get it. I grew up surrounded by Jews..........including our next door neighbour, who was a doctor, and who paid free housecalls once a week for months when my brother had rheumatic fever back in the mid 60s.


I have no problem with Jews.


In fact I have much admiration for all the things they have accomplished.
 
JamesBondo
+2
#11955
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

Okay folks, I went crazy.
I got thinking about the insistence of the anti-gun folks that we don't want to be like the AMERICANS, with no gun control, and blood running in the streets! I had read that murder was so high in American ghettoes that it skewed national figures, as (obviously) there could be social causes for murder in those circumstances.........SOOOOOO
I went looking to isolate two populations, as close as possible in population make-up, culture, etc, with the ONLY difference being gun control laws. I settled on the west, the provinces of Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta in Canada, and the three American states that border them, Montana, North Dakota, and Minnesota. These seemed to be the best examples, as they are the two areas of Canada and the United States that are the most alike in population culture, etc., yet most different in gun legislation.
Let me lay it out for you.
In Canada, before you buy a long gun, you must pass a safety course, undergo an investigation, get references including your spouse, obtain a license, and register the firearm. Most military semi-autos are prohibited. Semi-auto rifles can only have magazines with 5 rounds
In these states, if you want the semi-auto version of the American military M-16, you walk into the gun store, put down your cash, buy the piece and as many 30 round magazines as you like. You wait a federally-mandated 7 days, and go get your rifle. No license, no registration, no course, any rifle is OK.
In Canada, the vast majority of handguns are prohibited. If you want a handgun, you must either be a collector, or a target shooter. Self-defense is NOT allowed. You must have a long gun license (see above), pass ANOTHER course, and register your pistol. You must belong to a gun club, and you are ONLY allowed to transfer the weapon back and forth from the club to home, it must be trigger locked, and in a locked case.
If you want a handgun in any of these states, it is exactly the same as the process for buying a military "assault" rifle in the Sates, as laid out above. No license, no registration, no course, no NOTHING. NO handguns are prohibited.
In Canada, getting a license to carry a handgun is practically impossible.
In these states, the gov't MUST give you a license to carry a handgun for self-defense if you don't have a criminal record.
Just to make it clear, here are the ratings for the states given by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence: Montana (F), North Dakota (D), Minnesota ( C-)
Believe me, Canada would get an A+++ from Sarah Brady.
So, Canada is a wonderful, peaceful place where everyone is safe and happy, but step across the border and you trip over bodies and fall into the mess of blood, guts and expended shell casings, right?
Well, maybe not.
MURDER RATES
------------------------2000...2001...2002...2003...2004
Manitoba------------ 2.61...2.95...3.12...3.70... 4.27 (per 100,000)
(2002 - 1,151,000)-----30.....34......36.....43..... 49 (murders)
Saskatchewan------2.58...2.70... 2.71...4.12...3.92
(2002 - 1,000,000).... 26.... 27..... 27.....41.....39
Alberta---------------1.96...2.29... 2.25...2.03...2.69
(2002 - 3,056,000).... 60.....70......69.....62 .... 82
Montana.............1.80...3.80....1.80...3.30...3 .20
(2003 - 917,000).......17.....35......17......30.....29
North Dakota.......0.60...1.10... 0.80....1.90...1.40
(2003 - 633,000)........4.......7.......5......12.......9
Minnesota..........3.10... 2.40... 2.20... 2.50...2.20
(2003 - 5,059,000)..157.....121.....111....126....111
HERE'S THE SHOCKER!
MURDER RATES PER 100,000
----------------------------------2000...2001...2002...2003...2004
Canada West-----------------2.22----2.52----2.54---2.80----3.26 (per 100,000)
Population 5,207,000........116.... 131.....132....146....170 (murders)
USA Northwest---------------2.69----2.47----2.01---2.54----2.25
Population 6,609,000........178.... 163......133....168.....149
GUN CONTROL IS A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME!
BTW Figuring this out took me HOURS.............Canadian stats are from Stats Canada, American Stats on population are from http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0004986.html
American Stats on murder rates are from http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/arti...cid=12&did=169
Facts on state gun laws are from http://www.stategunlaws.org/
Math concerned is by ME.
Edited to say: DAMN, I had those all set out in coherent tables, but all spacing disappeared when I submitted it........so (being computer illiterate) I've used spacers......sorry about that)

Btw, thanks again for the original post, Colpy. It helps put things into perspective.
 
spilledthebeer
#11956
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

Before the hanging you better see who is waiting in the wings.

Want to know who has graduated from the M. Albright School of Not Charm? Wicked witch of the west is a job title in their world.




OH GOSH MHz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Is she a Jew banker?????????????????????????????????????????


And if she is???????????????????


Then WHO CARES??????????????????


Other than an LSD muddled radical Muslim??????????????



We have problems much closer to home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!


Thanks to LIE-beral SWINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !











Here is an article suggesting that the Billion dollar “grant” - meaning BRIBE that Our idiot By Justin gave to Bombardier last year might have been WASTED! With some comments of my own in brackets):

Has Bombardier finally run out of track?

By David Olive - Business Columnist, Toronto Star

Published December 17. 2018

Bombardier’s archrivals Siemens and Alstom are merging, with combined global market share more than twice that of BT’s approximately 4 per cent..

What was the death knell for Bombardier Transportation (BT), the rail division of Bombardier Inc.?

Was it the 2017 decision by New York’s Metropolitan Transportation Authority to disqualify BT from even bidding on a landmark contract for as many as 1,800 rail cars? Was it the 2017 decisions in Bombardier’s home Canadian market by the transit systems of Montreal and Toronto to order their next-gen rail cars from China Railway Rolling Stock Corp. (CRRC) and France’s Alstom SA, respectively?

Or, finally, was it the decision announced last week by Via Rail, yet another firm in Bombardier’s home country, to award a $1-billion (Cdn) contract for railcars to Germany’s Siemens AG?

There have been many such setbacks at BT.

(Yes- Bombardier has become unwelcome in San Francisco -and other places for screwing around with the street car contract for various cities in the same way they have screwed Toronto Transit Commission! And New York City had the same sad experience! We should ask how many major markets a company can MESS UP before common sense kills the company off!!! Via Rail is simply following the market trend to avoid Bombardier!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(And the plight of Bombardier makes one ask if Toronto will EVER GET its full fleet of Bombardier vehicles? And even if they do- will Bombardier have the resources to repair all the shoddy frame welds that have been exposed??????)

Always, BT’s record of unreliability in delivering glitch-free products on time is why it loses contracts. And each setback also costs BT lucrative after-sales service contracts.

And all of this Bombardier crap is self inflicted! Bombardier got a BILLION DOLLAR GRANT from Our idiot Boy Justin- and STILL COULD NOT produce Toronto street cars in anything close to specified contract time!!!!!!!!)

You could say that it’s time for Bombardier to shed its arrogant incompetence- problems with faulty BT equipment are usually the buyer’s fault, in BT’s view, now that archrivals Siemens and Alstom are merging, with combined global market share more than twice that of BT’s approximately 4 per cent.

And BT has no realistic hope of holding off Chinese state-owned industry leader CRRC -13 per cent market share, a growing threat to BT in North America, where it already has planted its flag in Montreal, Chicago, Boston and Philadelphia.

You could say that.

But, as a still-bloated General Motors Co. has shown us in waking up one morning with the realization it needed to shutter seven North American plants including GM Oshawa, entrenched cultures of arrogant complacency that are decades in the making usually end only with liquidation.

(Wer have a LONG HISTORY of watching companies evolve from making a useful product -sold at a profit - over to becoming gravy grabbing proteges of LIE- beral govt! General Motors is one such entity that can no longer survive without that govt gravy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(The Urban Transport Development Corporation- UTDC -conceived of by Red Tory premier Bill davis and later expanded by Peterson Ontari-owe LIE-berals and then heavily sponsored by transit loving Bob Rae NDPers grew so fat and lazy on govt gravy that by the time Conservative premier Harris cut off the gravy and UTDC died- nobody cared!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(Bombardier is simply following in the footsteps of UTDC, GM, ORNGE. E-health, MaRS building and a host of other LIE-beral govt proteges that could not survive in the real world!! Or we could look at how quickly the green energy market COLLAPSED once the LIE-beral subsidies were cut back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
 
Tecumsehsbones
+1
#11957
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

Geezus, what is it about the JOOS that sets the whack jobs off so badly?
I don't get it. I grew up surrounded by Jews..........including our next door neighbour, who was a doctor, and who paid free housecalls once a week for months when my brother had rheumatic fever back in the mid 60s.
I have no problem with Jews.
In fact I have much admiration for all the things they have accomplished.

When you turn the Klan loose, the Nazis are never far behind.

By the way, I found out about the cops at the synagogues by volunteering.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
-1
#11958
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

Geezus, what is it about the JOOS that sets the whack jobs off so badly?


I don't get it. I grew up surrounded by Jews..........including our next door neighbour, who was a doctor, and who paid free housecalls once a week for months when my brother had rheumatic fever back in the mid 60s.


I have no problem with Jews.


In fact I have much admiration for all the things they have accomplished.


Right on - I don't think there are innate problems with ANY race. There are varieties of behaviour though that I DO have problems with.
 
spilledthebeer
#11959
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

When you turn the Klan loose, the Nazis are never far behind.

By the way, I found out about the cops at the synagogues by volunteering.




HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


TECUMSEHBONESFORBRAINS IS ALMOST AS obsessed with cops as MHz is with Jews!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


There is a piece in the Quran that talks about the last days of the Jews............................


when the world becomes so sick of them that even the rocks and trees turn on them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



The Quran tells us that the rocks and trees will call out to The Faithful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Saying: "there is a Jew hiding behind me, oh yea Righteous, come and kill him"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



It is not a precise quote...........................................


I cannotb be bothered looking up the PRECISE wording.................................



but you get the idea.................................


Jews will NOT BE TOLERATED in the Brave New Muslim World Wide Caliphate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Muslims are convinced that the Jews have STOLEN their place as the "Chosen People of God"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Imagine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The nerve of those Jews thinking they are more entitled to Gods consideration than Muslims!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And MOST GALLING for Muslims................................


the JEWS THINK they have more right to the lands of Israel than Muslims do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Just because Jews have LIVED THERE FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And Jews have lived there MUCH LONGER as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!


Apparently a knowledge of history and comprehension of logic will not be highly valued in the Caliphate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



What a bunch of Muslim Maroons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!
 
Tecumsehsbones
#11960
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Right on - I don't think there are innate problems with ANY race. There are varieties of behaviour though that I DO have problems with.

Well. . . there's that whole "white people trying to dance" thing. . .
 
Colpy
Conservative
+1
#11961
Venezuelans regret gun ban, 'a declaration of war against an unarmed population'




CUCUTA, Venezuela/Colombia border – As Venezuela continues to crumble under the socialist dictatorship of President Nicolas Maduro, some are expressing words of warning – and resentment – against a six-year-old gun control bill that stripped citizens of their weapons.


“Guns would have served as a vital pillar to remaining a free people, or at least able to put up a fight,” Javier Vanegas, 28, a Venezuelan teacher of English now exiled in Ecuador, told Fox News. “The government security forces, at the beginning of this debacle, knew they had no real opposition to their force. Once things were this bad, it was a clear declaration of war against an unarmed population.”


Under the direction of then-President Hugo Chavez, the Venezuelan National Assembly in 2012 enacted the “Control of Arms, Munitions and Disarmament Law,” with the explicit aim to “disarm all citizens.” The law took effect in 2013, with only minimal pushback from some pro-democracy opposition figures, banned the legal commercial sale of guns and munitions to all - except government entities.


Chavez initially ran a months-long amnesty program encouraging Venezuelans to trade their arms for electrical goods. That year, there were only 37 recorded voluntary gun surrenders, while the majority of seizures - more than 12,500 – were by force.


In 2014, with Nicolás Maduro at the helm following Chavez’s death but carrying through his socialist “Chavista” policies, the government invested more than $47 million enforcing the gun ban – which has since included grandiose displays of public weapons demolitions in the town square.


A former gun store owner inside Venezuela – who told Fox News he has now been relegated to only selling fishing supplies since the ban – said he can’t sell any type of weaponry - even a slingshot - and underscored that even BB ammunition and airsoft guns are only issued to police and military officers.


The punishment for illicit carrying or selling a weapon now is 20 years behind bars.

CARACAS, VENEZUELA - MARCH 04: A sticker on a car window honors former Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez near the military barracks where Chavez is entombed on March 4, 2014 in Caracas, Venezuela. (Photo by John Moore/Getty Images) (2014 Getty Images)




Prior to the 2012 reform, there were only around eight gun stores in the entire country. And the process of obtaining a legal permit to own and carry was plagued by long wait lines, high costs and bribery “to make the process swifter” at the one department allowed to issue licenses, which operated under the umbrella of the Ministry of Defense.


“Venezuelans didn’t care enough about it. The idea of having the means to protect your home was seen as only needed out in the fields. People never would have believed they needed to defend themselves against the government,” Vanegas explained. “Venezuelans evolved to always hope that our government would be non-tyrannical, non-violator of human rights, and would always have a good enough control of criminality.”


He said it didn’t take long for such a wide-eyed public perception to fall apart. “If guns had been a stronger part of our culture, if there had been a sense of duty for one to protect their individual rights, and as a show of force against a government power – and had legal carry been a common thing – it would have made a huge difference,” he lamented.


Since April 2017, almost 200 pro-democracy protesters in Venezuela – armed mostly with stones – were shot dead by government forces in brutal retaliation to their call to end the oppressive socialist regime. The once oil-wealthy nation has continued its downward spiral into financial ruin, extreme violence, and mass human rights violations. An estimated three million Venezuelans have been forced to flee since 2015.


“Venezuela shows the deadly peril when citizens are deprived of the means of resisting the depredations of a criminal government,” said David Kopel, a policy analyst, and research director at the Independence Institute and adjunct professor of Advanced Constitutional Law at Denver University. “The Venezuelan rulers – like their Cuban masters – apparently viewed citizen possession of arms as a potential danger to a permanent communist monopoly of power.”

More than three million Venzuelans have fled into neighboring Colombia since the crisis of 2015.




Although the bill was sold to the population as a hardline effort to improve security, and sharply reduce crime, many now point to Venezuela as a case study for how gun prohibition can actually produce the opposite effect.

The violent crime rate, already high, soared. Almost 28,000 people were murdered in 2015 – with the homicide rate becoming the world’s highest. Compare that, according to GunPolicy.org – an international firearms prevention and policy research initiative – to just under 10,000 in 2012, and 6,500 thousand in 2001, the year before Chavez came to power.


The total number of gun deaths in 2013 was estimated to 14,622, having steadily risen from 10,913 in 2002. While comprehensive data now goes unrecorded by the government, in September this year, Amnesty International declared Venezuela had a murder rate “worse than some war zones” – 89 people per 100,000 people - and three times that of its volatile neighbor Brazil.


Much of the crime has been attributed by analysts to government-backed gangs – referred to in Spanish as “collectivos” – who were deliberately put in place by the government.


“They were set up by the government to act as proxies and exert community control. They're the guys on the motorcycles in the poor neighborhoods, who killed any protesters,” said Vanessa Neumann, the Venezuelan-American president and founder of Asymmetrica, a Washington, D.C.-based political risk research and consulting firm. “The gun reform policy of the government was about social control.



As the citizenry got more desperate and hungry and angry with the political situation, they did not want them to be able to defend themselves. It was not about security; it was about a monopoly on violence and social control.”


So while Venezuelan citizens were stripped of their legal recourse to bear arms, the “collectivos” – established by Chavez when came to power – were legally locked and loaded. Deemed crucial to the survival of the socialist dictatorship, the “collectivos” function to brutally subjugate opposition groups, while saving some face as they aren’t officially government forces, critics contend.


Eduardo Espinel, 35, who serves as a representative for the rapidly growing Venezuelan population in the Colombian border town of Cucuta – having fled his ailing nation two years ago under the threat of being kidnapped by local gangsters – said the law had proliferated the violence by allowing the collectivos to freely and legally shoot and kill.


“Everyone else but the common citizen. This law asks for the disarming of the common people, but everyone else can carry,” Espinel said. “The kind of law might make sense in a normal country, but in Venezuela, it makes no sense. People are faced with crime and have no easy means to defend themselves.”

Eduardo Espinel, 35, who serves as a representative for the rapidly growing Venezuelan population in the Colombian border town of Cucuta, said a gun bam law had actually proliferated the violence in Venezuela. (Fox News/Hollie McKay)




And Maribel Arias, 35, who was once a law and political science student at the University of Los Andes in her home state of Mérida but fled to the Colombian border with her family two years ago – living mostly on the streets as she and her husband take turns finding odd jobs such as selling water and attending bathrooms and while sharing the parenting duties of tending to their four children – bemoaned that they simply cannot rely on the nation’s law enforcement.


“The people of Venezuela should have rights for gun carrying because there is just too much crime and people should have the right to defend themselves because the justice system is not working,” Arias asserted. “If you call the police, the police come only if they want. If they capture the criminal maybe they will take away whatever they stole, but they normally go free again. It’s a vicious cycle.”

Maribel Arias, 35, who fled to the Colombian border with her family two years ago – living mostly on the streets as she and her husband take turns finding odd jobs while sharing the parenting duties for their four children – said Venezuelans cannot rely on the nation’s law enforcement.




Many contend the gun ban has in some ways hurt police and law enforcement, who have themselves become a more fervent target of street gangs. There was a 14 percent increase in police murders in 2016. And more than 80 percent of assailants subsequently stole the officer’s gun, according to Insight Crime.


Some experts contend many of the weapons and ammunition used by gangsters were once in the hands of government forces, and obtained either through theft or purchase from corrupt individuals.


And adding to the complication, the ranks of the police force are beleaguered by crime and corruption. “Crimes are committed by police, a lot of the criminals are police themselves,” said Saul Moros, 59, from the Venezuelan city of Valencia.
Luis Farias, 48, from Margarita, said that gun violence was indeed bad when guns were freely available for purchase. But it became much worse after the gun ban was passed. “Now the criminal mother is unleashed,” Farias said. “Trying to ban guns didn’t take guns off the streets. Nobody cares about the law; the criminals don’t care about the law.”

“Crimes are committed by police, a lot of the criminals are police themselves,” Saul Moros, 59, from the Venezuelan city of Valencia. (left) Luis Farias, 48, said gun violence was bad when guns were freely available – but became much worse after the so-called prohibition. (Fox News/Hollie McKay)




A black market in weapons is also thriving. There are an estimated six million unregistered firearms circulating in Venezuela, but they remain far from reach for the average, non-criminal Venezuelan.


“The black market of weapons is very active, mostly used by violent criminals,” said Johan Obdola, a former counter-narcotics chief in Venezuela and now president of Latin America-focused, Canada-based global intelligence and security firm IOSI. “Venezuelans simply looking to protect themselves from the regime are totally vulnerable.”


Prices vary daily. But an AR-15 rifle goes for around $500, sources said, while handguns sell for about $250. Those prices are far beyond the reach of the average Venezuelan.


“Most guns can be bought illegally in a sort of pyramid structure. A big irregular group or criminal organization has the best access to weapons directly from the government, and they sometimes even get access to basically new unused weaponry," explained Vanegas.



"The longer down the pyramid you are, you must get your weapon from the nearest big irregular group that overpowers you within your territory. This is not an option for any moral person, due to the fact that you need to deal with criminals in order to get an illegal gun. And for many obvious reasons, people will not even consider this.”


The Venezuelan government denies it is in a deeply deteriorating crisis, caused by its own policies. Rather, it blames the United States and opposition leaders for waging an “economic war.”

Feb. 22, 2014: A group of masked men run for cover after riot police launched tear gas in Caracas, Venezuela. (AP)




According to Omar Adolfo Zares Sanchez, 48, a lawyer, politician, and former mayor of Campo Elías municipality in the Venezuelan state of Mérida, it is now all but too late to make guns legally accessible to the average person.


“Without a doubt, if there had been a balance of armed defense we could have stood up and stopped the oppression at the beginning,” he contended. “But there is too much anarchy on the streets now. Making guns easier for anybody to buy now would start a civil war.”


Other Venezuelans argue that while violence has indeed rapidly increased in the years since the gun ban, it might have been that much worse as the economy collapsed, and the country deteriorated. “The problem from the beginning and still now is that there are too many people in Venezuela who are lawless. Crime is a way of living,” said Emberly Quiroz, 25, mother of three. “Access to weapons won’t solve the problem.”


Hollie McKay has a been a Fox News Digital staff reporter since 2007. She has extensively reported from war zones including Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Burma, and Latin America investigates global conflicts, war crimes and terrorism around the world.


https://www.foxnews.com/world/venezu...rSPtkHpI3sLY-w
 
Hoid
#11962
What all states that are teetering on the brink of collapse really need is more guns.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#11963
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

What all states that are teetering on the brink of collapse really need is more guns.

Lots more ... and more powerful weapons, too!!

Banning RPGs is unconstitutional! Let Freedom ring!
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#11964
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Well. . . there's that whole "white people trying to dance" thing. . .

Hey John Revolta , burned down the house .
 
Colpy
Conservative
+1
#11965
Quote:

Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid

Quote:

What all states that are teetering on the brink of collapse really need is more guns.


Quote:

Quote originally posted by Curious Canadian



Lots more ... and more powerful weapons, too!!

Banning RPGs is unconstitutional! Let Freedom ring

!


Good Lord, there is two of them!


Here's a bulletin for you two.....when people are shooting at you it is always good to have the ability to shoot back.


When people are enslaving you, it is always good to have the means to fight.


When people are starving you to death, it is best to rise up and change things, with gunfire if necessary.


Honestly, the two of you, if they added your IQs together, I doubt they would get three digits.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#11966
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

[B]
!
Good Lord, there is two of them!
Here's a bulletin for you two.....when people are shooting at you it is always good to have the ability to shoot back.
When people are enslaving you, it is always good to have the means to fight.
When people are starving you to death, it is best to rise up and change things, with gunfire if necessary.
Honestly, the two of you, if they added your IQs together, I doubt they would get three digits.

Better still! Call in an airstrike! Look how well it works keeping the crime rate down in Damascus!

MAGA!
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#11967
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Better still! Call in an airstrike! Look how well it works keeping the crime rate down in Damascus!

MAGA!

What is the crime rate in Damascus ? Do you have the stats handy ?
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#11968
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

What is the crime rate in Damascus ? Do you have the stats handy ?

I'm sure that it's damned close to zero because everybody's dead, pigs.
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#11969
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

I'm sure that it's damned close to zero because everybody's dead, pigs.

So you were just throwing that out there ? Ever been to Damascus in the spring ?
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#11970
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

So you were just throwing that out there ? Ever been to Damascus in the spring ?

Have you, pigs?