Liberals are considering a guaranteed income for all Canadians


mentalfloss
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Guaranteed income has merit as a national policy, minister says

The federal minister responsible for reducing poverty says he is interested in the idea of a guaranteed income in Canada.

Veteran economist Jean-Yves Duclos, who is Minister of Families, Children and Social Development, told The Globe and Mail the concept has merit as a policy to consider after the government implements more immediate reforms promised during the election campaign.

“There are many different types of guaranteed minimum income. There are many different versions. I’m personally pleased that people are interested in the idea,” said Mr. Duclos, who has a mandate to come up with a Canadian poverty-reduction strategy.

The federal Liberals have made ambitious promises to tackle poverty and to work with the provinces on improving Canada’s social safety net in areas such as skills training and employment insurance. Any major reforms would require the co-operation of the provinces, given the overlapping responsibilities for dealing with poverty. Mr. Duclos is in Edmonton this week to meet with his provincial counterparts. The agenda is expected to include a wide-open discussion of how Ottawa and the provinces can work together to address issues such as unemployment and housing shortages.

A minimum or basic income involves a government ensuring everyone receives a minimum income regardless of their employment status.

Interest in the idea of a guaranteed income is heating up since the Finnish government announced last year that it will research and test the concept.

That has led to growing calls to explore the idea here. Former senator Hugh Segal and Conference Board of Canada chief economist Glen Hodgson are among those recommending pilot projects.

Dauphin, Man., was the site of a short-lived test of the concept in the 1970s that researchers say was successful at reducing poverty.

The general concept is that a guaranteed income would cover basic needs and reduce demand on existing social programs. However, proposals vary widely on whether it should be paired with a drastic reduction in social programs such as welfare and unemployment insurance or complement them.

This means versions of the idea have appeal across the political spectrum, as it could lead to a larger or smaller role for government depending on the model.

Guaranteed income has merit as a national policy, minister says - The Globe and Mail
 
B00Mer
No Party Affiliation
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Trying to turn Canada into a Socialist Shyte Hole... just look at Greece.

 
Walter
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#3
Justine will provide.
 
Sons of Liberty
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Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

Trying to turn Canada into a Socialist Shyte Hole... just look at Greece.

The problem in Greece is the culture, they have a sense of entitlement.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by Sons of Liberty View Post

The problem in Greece is the culture, they have a sense of entitlement.

Sounds like the Liberal voter base.
 
Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by Sons of Liberty View Post

The problem in Greece is the culture, they have a sense of entitlement.

How does a "culture of entitlement" come into existence?
That's something to ponder.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7GroZ60UYc
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina View Post

How does a "culture of entitlement" come into existence?

"Natural governing party".
 
Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
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#8
If things come too easy, or are just repeatedly given to
someone....can they appresiate they effort/labor that
was/is behind that entitlement? Maybe, or maybe not.
 
CDNBear
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina View Post

If things come too easy, or are just repeatedly given to
someone....can they appresiate they effort/labor that
was/is behind that entitlement? Maybe, or maybe not.

More likely to be "not".
 
Cannuck
No Party Affiliation
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

Sounds like the Liberal voter base.



...and the Conservative's as well
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck View Post

...and the Conservative's as well

Just the retired ones.
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
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#12
The elephant in the room that folks like Flossy are eager to ignore relates to where the cash will come from to provide this magical guaranteed income.

The reference to Greece is spot-on, but we might want to add-in France in terms of their punishing, upper marginal tax rates. They too had this wonderful socialist, utopic vision but have since learned that the high income earners split double quick with their cash and jobs when the policy is enacted
 
mentalfloss
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Actually, there is an apparent argument (whether it is credible or not I cannot say) that a guaranteed income is a libertarian measure.

Now what's that pet term for libertarianism again?

It's the opposite of authoritarianism...

Oh yes..

It would be a right wing idea.


Go figure.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina View Post

If things come too easy, or are just repeatedly given to
someone....can they appresiate they effort/labor that
was/is behind that entitlement? Maybe, or maybe not.


I would guess it enables the ability to take things for granted. I wonder what Justin has in mind for the source of the money. Perhaps reducing the depth of some "deep pockets"?
 
davesmom
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I would be in favour of a guaranteed income for all Canadians with certain conditions.
1) eliminate welfare payments
2) eliminate disability payments
3) eliminate 'minimum wage'
4) guaranteed payments only to those with no other income or to equalize income of low paid workers.
5) Equal guaranteed payments to all persons regardless of number of dependents.( ie the same for a 1 child family as for a 4child family)

There would be questions; such as, would a husband and wife living together each get a guaranteed income or would there be one payment per household?
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
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Quote: Originally Posted by davesmom View Post

I would be in favour of a guaranteed income for all Canadians with certain conditions.
1) eliminate welfare payments
2) eliminate disability payments
3) eliminate 'minimum wage'
4) guaranteed payments only to those with no other income or to equalize income of low paid workers.
5) Equal guaranteed payments to all persons regardless of number of dependents.( ie the same for a 1 child family as for a 4child family)

There would be questions; such as, would a husband and wife living together each get a guaranteed income or would there be one payment per household?


I was going to give you a "thumbs up" until I read # 5.
 
B00Mer
No Party Affiliation
+1
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Quote: Originally Posted by Sons of Liberty View Post

The problem in Greece is the culture, they have a sense of entitlement.

Starting with our Health Care, so do Canadians..

Still think we need a co-pay or user fee added per visit with Health Care, $25 Doctor Visit, $50 Urgent Care, $100 Emergency visit.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by B00Mer View Post

Starting with our Health Care, so do Canadians..

Still think we need a co-pay or user fee added per visit with Health Care, $25 Doctor Visit, $50 Urgent Care, $100 Emergency visit.


That would work well up until the point where some poor bastard dies because he doesn't have the cash!
 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
+2
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

I would guess it enables the ability to take things for granted. I wonder what Justin has in mind for the source of the money. Perhaps reducing the depth of some "deep pockets"?

The largest source of untapped capital in Canada is held by seniors.

Perhaps Trudeau will be taking aim at all of those fat cats in the senior population
 
JamesBondo
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

Guaranteed income has merit as a national policy, minister says

The federal minister responsible for reducing poverty says he is interested in the idea of a guaranteed income in Canada.

Veteran economist Jean-Yves Duclos, who is Minister of Families, Children and Social Development, told The Globe and Mail the concept has merit as a policy to consider after the government implements more immediate reforms promised during the election campaign.

“There are many different types of guaranteed minimum income. There are many different versions. I’m personally pleased that people are interested in the idea,” said Mr. Duclos, who has a mandate to come up with a Canadian poverty-reduction strategy.

The federal Liberals have made ambitious promises to tackle poverty and to work with the provinces on improving Canada’s social safety net in areas such as skills training and employment insurance. Any major reforms would require the co-operation of the provinces, given the overlapping responsibilities for dealing with poverty. Mr. Duclos is in Edmonton this week to meet with his provincial counterparts. The agenda is expected to include a wide-open discussion of how Ottawa and the provinces can work together to address issues such as unemployment and housing shortages.

A minimum or basic income involves a government ensuring everyone receives a minimum income regardless of their employment status.

Interest in the idea of a guaranteed income is heating up since the Finnish government announced last year that it will research and test the concept.

That has led to growing calls to explore the idea here. Former senator Hugh Segal and Conference Board of Canada chief economist Glen Hodgson are among those recommending pilot projects.

Dauphin, Man., was the site of a short-lived test of the concept in the 1970s that researchers say was successful at reducing poverty.

The general concept is that a guaranteed income would cover basic needs and reduce demand on existing social programs. However, proposals vary widely on whether it should be paired with a drastic reduction in social programs such as welfare and unemployment insurance or complement them.

This means versions of the idea have appeal across the political spectrum, as it could lead to a larger or smaller role for government depending on the model.

Guaranteed income has merit as a national policy, minister says - The Globe and Mail

wow this is a totally original idea.
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
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This idea could work. You get rid of welfare, EI, CPP, OAS and a whole bunch of other social programs and just replace it with one. Of course some of those are provincial so it would require the co-operation of all 10 provinces so the idea is likely dead before it starts.

I also think that that minimum income should be tax free. If it was $20K, the first $20k of all taxpayers should have a 0% tax rate.
 
DaSleeper
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Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondo View Post

wow this is a totally original idea.

Can Flossy remember the Social Credit party?
 
mentalfloss
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The Libertarian Case for a Basic Income | Libertarianism.org
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
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Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

Can Flossy remember the Social Credit party?


Is Flossie more than 20 years old?

Quote: Originally Posted by IdRatherBeSkiing View Post

This idea could work. You get rid of welfare, EI, CPP, OAS and a whole bunch of other social programs and just replace it with one. Of course some of those are provincial so it would require the co-operation of all 10 provinces so the idea is likely dead before it starts.

I also think that that minimum income should be tax free. If it was $20K, the first $20k of all taxpayers should have a 0% tax rate.


The only problem I can foresee is that it sounds like everyone is going to have to fit into the same mold. Every person has different needs and when you make everyone adhere to something that is close to the minimum survivable income, I think people are going to fall through the cracks. Poverty is just one criteria. The reasons behind the poverty have to be examined and there's probably a hundred of them from laziness to lack of mobility to mental health to various addictions, to inability to meet modern day job requirements, to lack of self esteem etc. etc. etc.
 
Ludlow
No Party Affiliation
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Canadian politics aren't really any of my business and I know very little concerning it but the idea is not altogether bad but the reality is it simply would not work for ideological reasons in my opinion.
 
davesmom
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

I was going to give you a "thumbs up" until I read # 5.

Change #5 and you'd be back to the Welfare system of giving according to need rather than giving equally to all. So what would be the advantage of guaranteed income?

The number of kids determines the amount of Welfare paid. That rule should apply to seniors on pensions too then. Some pensioners need specialized treatments that are not covered by Health care so why shouldn't those seniors get a higher pension?
That's where these 'equalization' plans run into trouble. The usually cause more problems than they solve.

Would guaranteed income be paid to every citizen, even the well-off, like the 'baby bonuses' were? If not then we'd be back to the old days when seniors had to pass a means test to qualify for old age security. There's be a lot of screaming over that!

Would guaranteed income be paid by the household or by the individual? A married couple each receiving guaranteed income would provide a higher standard of living than that of a widow living alone. Not fair! If the widow receives the same as the married couple that's not fair either.

What happens to the person/family that spends all their guaranteed income on beer, bingo and lottery tickets and ends up broke before the next payment is due? You know that would happen in some cases! Does the person/family then demand and get more to tide them over?

Government would be faced with those and many more questions and the whole issue would end up an unfathomable dog's breakfast like most government endeavors and would create more bureaucracy besides.
 
petros
#27
I learned through the grapevine that a BC dipper MP is going to pitch a federal disability income program.
 
davesmom
#28
If the population of Canada is, let's say 40 million Government could give every adult citizen 1 million $s per year on a monthly payment plan, eliminate all other payments and pensions and still be money ahead. That ought to provide adequately for everyone.
 
petros
+1
#29
The entitled would say $1M is not enough.
 
darkbeaver
Republican
#30
There goes cash. Every purchase will be scrutinized and your card will be disconnected for non compliance with the new game.