Capitalism will save this world


MHz
#1801
Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

Atheists slay me.

I just became one, when and where?
 
Walter
+2
#1802
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

or make ignorant and stupid statements.

They do that, too.
 
Hoid
#1803
Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

Atheists slay me.

Obama killed you dead years ago.
 
Cliffy
+1
#1804
"As long as the general population is passive, apathetic, diverted to consumerism or hatred of the vulnerable, then the powerful can do as they please, and those who survive will be left to contemplate the outcome."
~Noam Chomsky





Artwork by Alex Gross
 
pgs
+1
#1805
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

"As long as the general population is passive, apathetic, diverted to consumerism or hatred of the vulnerable, then the powerful can do as they please, and those who survive will be left to contemplate the outcome."
~Noam Chomsky





Artwork by Alex Gross

How Gross .
 
petros
+6
#1806  Top Rated Post
Another person with no job, no money and nothing to do all day complaining about people who make and have money.

Poor bastard.
 
Twin_Moose
+1
#1807
He calls himself self employed
 
petros
+3
#1808
You need self motivation for that. He doesn't have that.
 
DaSleeper
+3
#1809
He doesn't have a single independent thought...
That's why he always quotes facebook ....his single source for an opinion!
 
Cliffy
-1
#1810
Ah, another alt-right circle jerk. You're welcome.


 
Twin_Moose
+2
#1811
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Ah, another alt-right circle jerk. You're welcome.

Your funny you didn't even realize that you were the receptacle of the climax
 
Curious Cdn
#1812
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

He doesn't have a single independent thought...
That's why he always quotes facebook ....his single source for an opinion!

You've made an entire internet career out of complaining about Cliffy's memes.

How limited can one be?
 
taxslave
+1
#1813
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Another person with no job, no money and nothing to do all day complaining about people who make and have money.
Poor bastard.

Usually refered to as penis envy.
 
darkbeaver
#1814
National Socialism will save this world from capitalism/fukkin bankers. Hitler will be back to finish the job he started, his crime was in thirty-six months elevating Germany from rags to riches highest standard of living on the planet at that time without the bankers. This is why he had to be crushed. He was a nice guy.
Last edited by darkbeaver; Jul 10th, 2019 at 11:20 PM..
 
darkbeaver
+1
#1815
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Another person with no job, no money and nothing to do all day complaining about people who make and have money.

Poor bastard.


If you,re making money you are a counterfitter. However you are permitted to earn money and accumulate it.
 
Twin_Moose
+1
#1816
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

National Socialism will save this world from capitalism/fukkin bankers. Hitler will be back to finish the job he started, his crime was in thirty-six months elevating Germany from rags to riches highest standard of living on the planet at that time without the bankers. This is why he had to be crushed. He was a nice guy.

He borrowed like a Liberal to get the people back to work, when he started funnelling it into the Military he started using slave labour on infrastructure and printing his own money to pay for it.

How did Germany rebuild so quickly after World War I?

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Germany's economic rebuilding came mostly between 1924 to 1929. The economic policies that made this happen was the following:
A return to the gold standard
Up to 1924 the German government would simply print more money to pay its debts and this led to hyperinflation. A return to the gold-standard stopped this.
Welfare capitalism
A liberal business-friendly market economy made industry prosper, and a liberal tax-financed social security prevented the worst forms of poverty.
Foreign loans
Since the German economy had collapsed, the Dawes Plan was put into place to save Germany and lessen the impact of the war reparations. As a part of this Germany would borrow quite large amounts of money from American banks.
These three parts worked together to stop the German economic collapse and rebuild it during what has been called "The Golden Era".
Hitler continued the last policy of borrowing large amounts of money after 1933 as well and used it to finance the German re-armament.
What can current governments learn from this?
Having a gold standard has other drawbacks, but it's better than hyper-inflation. However, an even better policy is to not have a gold standard, but have a politically independent central bank whose job it is to keep inflation within reasonable limits. The Euro already has this, so nothing can be learnt from that.
A liberal capitalist welfare state is a good idea, and this is also indeed the most common type of economic policy in Europe, so this lesson has been learnt as well.
The current crisis simply has its basis in related but slightly different problems. Many states in Europe have paid their debts by borrowing money instead of printing more.
Borrowing large amounts of money to kick-start your economy is a common political policy and inter-war Germany is a good example of this, so this lesson has been learned. The lesson that has not been learned is that you need to pay it back.
When the depression hit the United States in 1929, the banks would retract the money from Germany, making Germany one of the worst hit countries in Europe (arguably paving the way for Hitler). Hitler never paid back his loans (it has even been argued that the massive loans he took was one major reason for him to start WWII as Germany couldn't actually pay them back).

Hitler's Economics

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In the 1930s, Hitler was widely viewed as just another protectionist central planner who recognized the supposed failure of the free market and the need for nationally guided economic development. Proto-Keynesian socialist economist Joan Robinson wrote that "Hitler found a cure against unemployment before Keynes was finished explaining it."
What were those economic policies? He suspended the gold standard, embarked on huge public-works programs like autobahns, protected industry from foreign competition, expanded credit, instituted jobs programs, bullied the private sector on prices and production decisions, vastly expanded the military, enforced capital controls, instituted family planning, penalized smoking, brought about national healthcare and unemployment insurance, imposed education standards, and eventually ran huge deficits. The Nazi interventionist program was essential to the regime's rejection of the market economy and its embrace of socialism in one country.
Such programs remain widely praised today, even given their failures. They are features of every "capitalist" democracy. Keynes himself admired the Nazi economic program, writing in the foreword to the German edition to the General Theory: "[T]he theory of output as a whole, which is what the following book purports to provide, is much more easily adapted to the conditions of a totalitarian state, than is the theory of production and distribution of a given output produced under the conditions of free competition and a large measure of laissez-faire."
Keynes's comment, which may shock many, did not come out of the blue. Hitler's economists rejected laissez-faire, and admired Keynes, even foreshadowing him in many ways. Similarly, the Keynesians admired Hitler (see George Garvy, "Keynes and the Economic Activists of Pre-Hitler Germany," The Journal of Political Economy, Volume 83, Issue 2, April 1975, pp. 391–405).

 
DaSleeper
+3
#1817
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

You've made an entire internet career out of complaining about Cliffy's memes.

How limited can one be?

How about you and your renaming of pgs?
Is that childish or.... what?
 
Cliffy
-1
#1818
 
Curious Cdn
#1819
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

How about you and your renaming of pgs?
Is that childish or.... what?

No, your Troll partner is definitely a swine.
 
Cliffy
-1
#1820
 
Danbones
+1
#1821
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Usually refered to as pennies envy.

There

FTFY.

Cliffy is against playing with his pennies. But, they should always be washed and put away neatly when one is spent
 
Walter
+3
#1822
India lifted 271 million people out of poverty in 10 years: UN
https://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...le28397694.ece

The wonders of capitalism.
 
Cliffy
-1
#1823



We are all Slaves. When you understand who controls the creation of money it all makes sense.

At this point in history, virtually every human on the planet is enslaved whether they know it or not, the fact that most of the enslaved are unaware of their conditions and actually would argue fiercely that they are free is a testament to how strong these invisible chains are …

The key question we all need to ask is who controls the creation of money.



More: https://www.selfdevelopshop.com/we-a...ation-of-money
 
taxslave
+4
#1824
Break those shackles. Return your welfare cheque.
 
Curious Cdn
#1825
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Break those shackles. Return your welfare cheque.

Give up Communism.

Burn your Union card, Comrade.
 
Cliffy
-1
#1826
 
Hoid
+1
#1827
Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

India lifted 271 million people out of poverty in 10 years: UN
https://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...le28397694.ece

The wonders of capitalism.

Capitalism created the poverty.
 
MHz
#1828
It shows no loyalty to the West either.


https://sputniknews.com/business/201...abic-appstore/
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Apple Reportedly Eyes Entering Middle East Software Markets by Introducing Arabic AppStore





Economic analysts have indicated that the largely young population in Middle Eastern countries presents a lucrative opportunity for tech companies, but at the moment they lack Arabic-language content to effectively capitalise on this.

Apple has made an Arabic-only AppStore available to platform developers and participants of the Beta Software Program in a move that is viewed as preparation for a release to a broader public, The New Arab reported. According to the media outlet, the full-fledged launch will coincide with the release of the iOS 13 operating system.
The localised AppStore will feature applications in Arabic, but the number of these programs currently remains relatively small. It's so far unclear whether the company will be investing in the development of new Arabic-language apps or in the localisation of existing ones.




Sam Blatteis, CEO for MENA Catalysts, a firm assisting companies willing to enter Middle Eastern markets, explained in an interview with The Media Line that the region is an "untapped growth opportunity" for tech firms, mostly due to the large percentage young people and constantly growing demand.
 
Walter
+1
#1829
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Ultra bullshit.
 
MHz
#1830
Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

Ultra bullshit.

Fuk you and every pig from the same group you fuks belong to.


https://gh.bmj.com/content/2/2/e000311
Analysis
Changing views on child mortality and economic sanctions in Iraq: a history of lies, damned lies and statistics

The Iraq Child and Maternal Mortality Survey

In February to May 1999, Unicef was allowed to conduct a major national survey focused on child mortality. This was the Iraq Child and Maternal Mortality Survey (ICMMS). The ICMMS was similar to household surveys that have been undertaken in many countries. However, because of the political situation in Iraq it was conducted concurrently as two parallel surveys. Thus, in the autonomous Kurdish north the ICMMS was supervised directly by Unicef. But in the centre and south, Unicef conducted the ICMMS in cooperation with Saddam Hussein’s government.
Whereas the earlier IST and FAO surveys had been quite limited in various respects—for example, in terms of their sample sizes and time depth—the ICMMS represented a significant advance. For example, the sample was large, being about 14 000 households in the north and 24 000 in the centre/south. Also, the ICMMS focused on child mortality—with little other information being gathered. In the centre and south, the government of Iraq provided the field staff from the health sector. The interviewers, all women, were either junior doctors or recent medical graduates, and considerable effort was made to train them. The ICMMS questionnaire was comparable to that used in other countries, and it was pretested carefully. Full, rather than truncated, birth histories were collected from ever-married women aged 15–49. Lastly, Unicef established an independent panel of experts to assess the ICMMS survey procedures and data quality. The panel identified no problems.8
In August 1999, Unicef released the preliminary findings of the ICMMS with considerable publicity. The survey results indicated that children in the centre/south of Iraq were dying at over twice the rate of 10 years earlier. Unicef’s Executive Director noted that there was an ongoing humanitarian emergency in the country and that there would have been 500 000 fewer child deaths during 1991–1998 had the fall in mortality of the 1980s continued throughout 1991–1998. Concern was understandably expressed that whenever economic sanctions are imposed on a country they should be designed and executed so that they do not have a negative impact on children.9
In 2000, an article titled ‘Sanctions and childhood mortality in Iraq’ presented a detailed analysis of the ICMMS data. The article contained estimates of child mortality by 5-year periods. The authors estimated that between 1984–1989 and 1994–1999, the U5MR rose from 56 to 131 deaths per 1000.8 A subsequent article provided annual estimates.10 For the centre/south, the results indicated a rise in the U5MR from 59 to 116 per 1000 between 1990 and 1991, with a further increase to 142 per 1000 by 1998. For the north, the U5MR rose from 72 to 128 per 1000 between 1987 and 1991. With its onset well before 1991, however, this rise mainly reflected Saddam Hussein’s persecution of the Kurds—recall in this context that the poison gas attack on the Kurdish town of Halabja took place in 1988. In the north, with the Iraqi army withdrawn, the ICMMS results suggested that the U5MR fell back sharply to 68 per 1000 in 1993.
The ICMMS results for the centre/south of Iraq indicating that there was a huge rise in child mortality between 1990 and 1991 and sustained high mortality thereafter were generally thought to be reliable and were widely cited. The results were used to warn against the potentially disastrous consequences of the US/UK invasion of Iraq in 2003.11 And they were also used as justification for that invasion by its proponents. Thus, giving evidence to the Iraq Inquiry, chaired by Sir John Chilcot, Tony Blair stated in 2010 that during 2000–2002 (ie, before the invasion) those living under Saddam Hussein’s regime ‘had a child mortality rate of 130 per 1000 children under the age of five … That equates to roughly about 90 000 deaths under the age of five a year. The figure today is not 130, it is 40 … that’s the result that getting rid of Saddam makes.’12
It is now known, however, that the ICMMS results for the centre/south of Iraq were a deception.5 13 But this fact has received virtually no publicity or attention. Unicef has neither acknowledged the error nor made the ICMMS data publicly available. Indeed, the article containing the detailed analysis of the ICMMS estimates by 5-year periods, and its conclusion that there was a sharp rise in mortality due to the sanctions, remain widely cited.14–22 Yet the UN unobtrusively changed its own U5MR estimates in 2009.23 24 We now consider how the deception was revealed.

Uncovering the deception

Following the US/UK invasion of Iraq in March 2003, there was concern in the coalition’s military occupation authorities to assemble information on Iraq’s population. In this context, it became known that a census had been undertaken in the centre and south of Iraq in 1997. Moreover, the census had included some very basic questions on child mortality. A copy of the census report was unearthed and forwarded to the US Census Bureau in Washington, DC. And, significantly, an article published in the New York Times in August 2003 quoted a Census Bureau official as stating that ‘it looks like child mortality may not have been quite as high during the mid-to-late 1990s as has been thought.’25
Then, in 2005, the report of a Working Group of an Independent Inquiry Committee established by the Secretary General of the UN to investigate the OFFP was published. This report contained an analysis of the child mortality data from the 1997 census.26 The data suffered from serious errors and limitations. Nevertheless, and to some surprise, the Working Group questioned whether there had been a huge rise in child mortality around 1991 as was indicated by the IST and, more especially, the ICMMS. The Working Group suggested that the Iraqi government might have tampered with the ICMMS data. These ideas were rejected by those who saw no reason to question the ICMMS child mortality estimates on the basis of the 1997 census data.27 28
However, since 2003 three major household surveys covering the whole of Iraq and collecting full birth histories from adult women have been conducted. The first survey was the 2004 Iraq Living Conditions Survey (ILCS). The ILCS was funded by the United Nations Development Programme and organised with Norwegian technical assistance. The main purpose of the ILCS was to provide general socioeconomic data. But it also collected birth histories from women in 21000 Iraqi households. When the birth history data began to arrive from the field, the organisers of the survey decided that child deaths were being greatly under-reported. Accordingly, they resolved ‘to re-interview all households again with (a) small questionnaire’ containing the birth history.29 Nevertheless, the U5MRs for 1999–2003 obtained from the reinterviews were still surprisingly low. Indeed, in its report of 2005, even the Working Group of the Independent Inquiry Committee largely dismissed the ILCS results.
The second major survey was the 2006 Multiple Indicator Cluster Survey (MICS).30 This entailed collaboration between Unicef and Iraq’s Ministry of Health, and it collected birth histories from women in 18 000 households. The third survey was the 2011 MICS. This involved a similar collaboration and interviewed women in about 36 000 households.31 It should be noted that the MICS surveys developed by Unicef have been used in over 60 countries to provide key indicators relating to the state of young children.
With this as background, figure 1 compares the U5MRs calculated from the ICMMS of 1999, the ILCS of 2004, and the MICS surveys of 2006 and 2011. It shows that, in contrast to the ICMMS, the U5MRs from the three recent surveys reveal no sign of a huge rise in child mortality after 1990. This is compelling evidence that it simply did not happen. In short, as suggested with notable intuition by the Working Group of the Independent Inquiry Committee in 2005, the ICMMS data were evidently rigged to show a huge and sustained—and largely non-existent—rise in child mortality. The falsification might have occurred during the data entry stage at the behest of the Iraqi government. However, recall that the government provided the field staff for the ICMMS in the centre and south, so it may be that under the strong-arm influence of government authorities the deception happened during the fieldwork stage (as seems to have occurred during the much smaller 1995 FAO survey in Baghdad). The objective of Saddam Hussein’s government was to heighten international concern and so get the economic sanctions ended.



Figure 1 Annual estimates of the child mortality rate in Iraq from four retrospective surveys (under-5 deaths per 1000 live births), 1974–2010. ICMMS, Iraq Child and Maternal Mortality Survey; ILCS, Iraq Living Conditions Survey; MICS, Multiple Indicator Cluster Survey.

That is not to say that there was no rise at all in the U5MR in Iraq between 1990 and 1991. All three major surveys conducted since 2003 suggest that there was a slight increase. Moreover, recall the substantial rise indicated by the ICMMS for the period 1988–1992 in the north—reflecting the oppression of the Kurds. In this context, the rise indicated for January to August 1991 by the modest IST survey was also much greater in the north. That said, for Iraq as a whole the IST survey probably understated the level of child mortality that prevailed during 1985–1990 and overstated the level during 1991.
If we ignore the—false—U5MRs for 1991–1998 from the ICMMS in figure 1, and take account of the fact that older women are more likely to under-report child deaths (indicated most clearly in figure 1 by the U5MRs from the ILCS for the 1980s) then a significant degree of agreement actually emerges. The three surveys conducted since 2003 all put the U5MR in Iraq during 1995–2000 in the vicinity of 40 per 1000. In relation to the difficult conditions of the 1990s, it should be noted that Saddam Hussein’s government became increasingly proficient at evading the sanctions and Iraq’s basic food rationing system probably also helped the situation.
Lastly, for 1970–2015 figure 2 plots the UN’s latest U5MR estimates by 5-year periods for Iraq and neighbouring countries.32 The estimates for Iraq are based mainly on the 2004, 2006 and 2011 surveys we have discussed, with consideration of the ICMMS results for before 1990. In the 1970s, there was considerable variation in child mortality, the trend in Iraq broadly paralleling the trends in Syria and Jordan. From the early 1980s onwards, however, progress in Iraq seems to have been much slower. Indeed, by 2010–2015 the U5MR in Iraq was roughly twice that of the other countries. The period of miserable progress in reducing child mortality broadly corresponds to the period of Saddam Hussein. He brought a host of troubles and disasters to his country of which, however evaluated, the economic sanctions constituted a very small part.



Figure 2 United Nations estimates of the child mortality rate in Iraq and neighbouring countries by 5-year periods, 1970–2015.
 

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