Sorry If You’re Offended, but Socialism Leads to Misery and Destitution


spilledthebeer
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#91
Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaE View Post

Irrelevant. What I am saying is that some of the wealthy, big biz, etc. engineer society to benefit them and in the least, ignore what benefits the average. I simply pointed out the obvious. It's classic "trickle-down" theory on a massive scale.






OH FOOLISH BURNED OUT EMBER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Thank you for confirming that abuse that grossly entitled civil service union HOGS


ARE HAVING IN CANADA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!
 
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NZDoug
#92
Please inform me by private message if STB actually post anything on subject, aside from personal attacks and name calling.
This has been a time saving public service announcement by NZDoug.
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pgs
#93
Quote: Originally Posted by NZDoug View Post

Please inform me by private message if STB actually post anything on subject, aside from personal attacks and name calling.
This has been a time saving public service announcement by NZDoug.
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Waayyyy .
 
Hoid
#94
Socialism now the only hope

it must rankle the righties
 
DaSleeper
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#95
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Socialism now the only hope

it must rankle the righties

What a pile of.......


 
spilledthebeer
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#96
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Socialism now the only hope

it must rankle the righties






Yes hemerHOID - we HAVE KNOWN FOR SOME TIME NOW - that the ONLY HOPE for Our idiot Boy Justin to retain his political



career is if he stages a Soviet Socialist COUP and sets himself up as Dictator of the Cdn North For Life!


Such an act would save HIS CAREER but as Soviet Socialist asshats around the world have repeatedly demonstrated



such an act will KILL the careers of all the rest of us!


That Venezuelan SWINE Maduro is only the MOST RECENT Soviet Socialist FAILURE!
 
taxslave
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#97
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Socialism now the only hope
it must rankle the righties

I suppose if you shift the goal posts enough and twist the meaning of the word it might. One thing for sure we will have socialist style debt.
 
AnnaE
#98
You mean like Canadian-style debt where everyone's share is about $19,000 per person or Trumplican style debt ($73,000 per person) and people can go bankrupt paying off medical bills?
 
DaSleeper
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#99
Actually Its about 68.000 per person but 183,000 per taxpayer
 
AnnaE
#100
https://www.debtclock.ca/
https://www.usdebtclock.org/
 
Hoid
#101
Governments all over the world busily transferring billions and billions of dollars to banks and there is still someone left complaining about socialism?

Without all that tax money going to all those private businesses everything stops.

Once again the public pays the freight - because capitalism doesn't actually work.
 
Twin_Moose
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#102
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Socialism now the only hope
it must rankle the righties

Do tell which Socialist country is actually doing better than the capitalist countries during this epidemic? While we're on the subject which socialist countries are generating as much wealth to throw at the epidemic as the capitalist countries? Why are they begging the IMF for aid in this epidemic?
 
spilledthebeer
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#103
Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaE View Post

You mean like Canadian-style debt where everyone's share is about $19,000 per person or Trumplican style debt ($73,000 per person) and people can go bankrupt paying off medical bills?






OH honey that is a LIE!


The ugly truth is that our national debt - meaning from ALL FOUR LEVELS of govt - IS WELL OVER ONE HUNDRED GRAND

PER CITIZEN! In fact - prior to the Wuhan Pestilence- our individual debts from ALL govt sources was in the $150 grand range!



The reality is that much of our debt is BEING CREATED by LIE-beral IOU`s! LIE-berals promised HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS worth of pension UPGRADES to our civil service union HOGS in exchange for their votes - in a SHAMELESS CONFLICT OF INTEREST THAT IS ONGOING!


Ontari-owe Wynne-bag LIE-berals promised our high school teachers ALONE something around $55 BILLION DOLLARS in future pension upgrades which LIE-berals tried to deliver on with their MOULDY GREEN POWER electricity price SCAM!


That went so badly it DESTROYED the Ontari-owe LIE-beral party!


The truth is that we COULD CUT OUR DEBTS IN HALF - by simply admitting that the LIE-berals CANNOT pay off their SELFISH AND SELF SERVING IOU`s for the simple reason that Cdn tax payers CANNOT AFFORD IT!


Such an HONEST admission would FORCE HOG pension planners to drastically curtail the solid gold benefits currently offered to retired HOGS IN ORDER TO AVOID THE total bankruptcy of all HOG pension plans!



Such an act would also let a LOT OF HOGS start collecting Canada Pension Plan but since it tops out at about $7 grand - not including Old Age Supplement - and this is STILL CHEAPER than trying to give retired teachers pension benefits representing about 80 percent of their NINETY GRAND PER YEAR WORKING SALARY!



It would be FAR EASIER to pay HOG s CPP and OAS than to let them continue with their solid gold pension CRAP that happens

to be KILLING our economy! IN FACT WE SHOULD ASSUME that the cost of fighting the Wuhan Pestilence WILL CRIPPLE ANY HOG HOPE of getting more LIE-beral gravy!


LIE-berals had driven us dangerously close to the debt wall before the Wuhan Pestilence - and we will be WAY BEYOND any normal concept of bankruptcy after the Pestilence is defeated - HOGS are DOOMED TO GRAVY DISAPPOINTMENT!



In related news - our Lie-beral finance minister Bil Morneau - the guy who has already been fined for his insider type sale of stocks a week before introducing new laws that reduced the value of the sold stocks - HAS ALREADY BEEN WARNED by our auditor general and by bond rating services NOT to play fast and loose in the Wynne-bag style with accounting rules re pension obligations!



Fake News is a LIE-beral SURVIVAL TOOL!
 
captain morgan
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#104
Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaE View Post

https://www.debtclock.ca/
https://www.usdebtclock.org/


Take into account unfunded pension liabilities, Muni and Provincial/State debt and you'll see a very different number


Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Do tell which Socialist country is actually doing better than the capitalist countries during this epidemic? While we're on the subject which socialist countries are generating as much wealth to throw at the epidemic as the capitalist countries? Why are they begging the IMF for aid in this epidemic?


Ummm, well, there's Venezuela, North Korea and Cuba.. I hear that they are nothing less than paradise on Earth
 
spilledthebeer
#105
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

Take into account unfunded pension liabilities, Muni and Provincial/State debt and you'll see a very different number





Ummm, well, there's Venezuela, North Korea and Cuba.. I hear that they are nothing less than paradise on Earth




Wow- burned out Ember got a strong response to her DEBT NONSENSE NUMBERS!



One wonders why she would posy such CLUELESS NUMBERS - unless she really IS THAT BADLY INFORMED?
 
taxslave
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#106
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Governments all over the world busily transferring billions and billions of dollars to banks and there is still someone left complaining about socialism?
Without all that tax money going to all those private businesses everything stops.
Once again the public pays the freight - because capitalism doesn't actually work.

Every thinking person is complaining about socialism. So if you are not complaining about it.....
 
spilledthebeer
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#107
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Governments all over the world busily transferring billions and billions of dollars to banks and there is still someone left complaining about socialism?

Without all that tax money going to all those private businesses everything stops.

Once again the public pays the freight - because capitalism doesn't actually work.




That`s ODD! The LIE-beral loving newspapers - that Our idiot Boy rewarded with six hundred million dollars in bribe money -


all say Our idiot Boy is giving gobs of gravy to laid off workers and starving small biz owners that have been forced to shut down!



Were do you get YOUR NEWS hemerHOID? If you are making up your own nonsense then why not become a PROPER



FICTION WRITER and pen a genuine novel that might actually entertain?



Or are LIE-berals like you somehow philosophically OPPOSED to doing anything genuinely GOOD for the public?
 
spilledthebeer
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#108
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Do tell which Socialist country is actually doing better than the capitalist countries during this epidemic? While we're on the subject which socialist countries are generating as much wealth to throw at the epidemic as the capitalist countries? Why are they begging the IMF for aid in this epidemic?




OH LOOK! Moose asked HemerHOID some HARD QUESTIONS and now hemerHOID is doing his messed up TURTLE IMITATION!


He has pulled his head into his ass and is blocking out the world!
 
captain morgan
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#109
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Every thinking person is complaining about socialism. So if you are not complaining about it.....


He used to be the smartest most handsome boy in school, just ask his mom.


... It would be interesting to know when the horribly disfiguring accident and massive head trauma happened
 
AnnaE
#110
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

OH honey that is a LIE!
The ugly truth is that our national debt - meaning from ALL FOUR LEVELS of govt - IS WELL OVER ONE HUNDRED GRAND
PER CITIZEN!

Don't just blab. Prove it, bigmouth. And don't the same things you claim, also apply to the USA's per person debt?
 
AnnaE
#111
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

Take into account.........

No shifting goalposts there, huh?
 
captain morgan
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#112
Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaE View Post

No shifting goalposts there, huh?


And why wouldn't you?


Your household debt isn't just limited to one credit card and a twenty spot you borrowed from your buddy
 
petros
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#113
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Governments all over the world busily transferring billions and billions of dollars to banks and there is still someone left complaining about socialism?
Without all that tax money going to all those private businesses everything stops.
Once again the public pays the freight - because capitalism doesn't actually work.

Tax money? It was borrowed.
 
spilledthebeer
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#114
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

He used to be the smartest most handsome boy in school, just ask his mom.


... It would be interesting to know when the horribly disfiguring accident and massive head trauma happened








We may NEVER know the truth! If I was the parent who had responsibility for creating hemerHOID


I WOULD NOT ADMIT ANYTHING TO ANYBODY!
 
spilledthebeer
#115
Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaE View Post

Don't just blab. Prove it, bigmouth. And don't the same things you claim, also apply to the USA's per person debt?




POOR BURNED OUT EMBER!

Math is NOT her strong suit! Lyin Brian Mulroney was forced to sign up for NAFTA because our federal debt had reached over one trillion dollars!


That MASSIVE FEDERAL DEBT plus the still relatively MINOR provincial and municipal debt added up to a face off with the debt wall


and added up to about $120 grand per citizen - INCLUDING CHILDREN!


Subsequently our municipalities ran wild on debt to provide gravy for HOGS and higher levels of govt got SO WORRIED



they BANNED CITIES from running deficits!


Later - Ontari-owe elected Bob Rae who DOUBLED the Ontari-owe debt in 4 years!

This brought in Mike Harris who stabilized Ontari-owe finances but the election of LIE-beral PM Chretien messed that up!
CHretien had his own brush with the debt wall and he solved his problem by dumping on the provinces!


Then Harper came along - and had the luck to pick up a HUGE PILE OF OIL REVENUE which enabled federal Conservatives to make MAJOR PAYMENTS against the federal debt! In addition Harper FROZE the HOG wages and DERAILED the HOG gravy train


thus enabling govt funding and debt loads to be further stabilized - too bad that Ontari-owe elected provincial LIE-berals and THEY DOUBLED the provincial debt! Things got so OUT OF CONTROL that it scared even LIE-beral premier Dalton McGinty and he tried to freeze HOG WAGES - in the Harper style!


The HOG response was SO UGLY that McGinty PANICKED and resigned from office! - thus opening the door for Wynne-bag who was a KEY PLAYER in DOUBLING the Ontari-owe debt!


So Harper had to federal debt DOWN from about a trillion dollars - down to about $500 million until the 2008 mortgage meltdown hit

and LIE-berals raged that Harper did not spend enough to bail us out - yet after Our idiot Boy won that 2015 election - LIE-berals

RAGED AT HARPER for his $1.5 billion dollar deficit!


Then LIE-berals went out and created a $32 billion dollar deficit! PLus a bunch of #20 plus billion dollar deficits!


Add in the insane debts run up by the municipalities BEFORE they were forced to run balanced budgets!
ADD in the over $300 billion in new Ontari-owe debt created by NDPees and LIE-berals
Add in the huge new deficits created by NDPees in Alberta and BC
Add in the massive new debts run up by LIE-berals in New Brunswick



and our govt debt is NOW WELL PAST THE MARK it hit when Mulroney signed us up for NAFTA!


THEN YOU NEED TO GET HONEST about the scale of HOG DEBT! LIE-berals have issued a HUGE PILE of IOU`s to the HOGS and we CANNOT PAY! WE do not have the gravy!


Our LIE-beral friendly news media STOPPED TALKING about HOG PENSION DEBTS in 2012! At that time FEDERAL LIE-beral

promises to HOGS totaled OVER $300 Billion dollars!


With MORE BILLIONS OWED to the other THREE levels of govt! Pension issues had grown to such a POISONED STATE that 97 percent of ALL defined benefit plans were running IN THE RED and heading for BANKRUPTCY!


As an example -the out going chairman of the OSSTF Ontari-owe high school came on TVO/The Agenda and told us that Ontari-owe

WOULD HAVE TO PAY ITS HIGH SCHOOL TEACHERS AN ADDITIONAL $55 Billion dollars in pension top ups to keep the high school teachers fund SOLVENT!


And there are EIGHTEEN OTHER Ontari-owe provincial unions right behind OSSTF and ALL DEMANDING BILLIONS that we dont have - especially NOT NOW after breaking the bank on this Wuhan Virus!


God only knows how many BILLIONS of dollars MORE that LIE-berals plan to funnel into municipal HOG POCKETS and into the pockets of HOGS at crown corporations such as Ornge and E-health and Metrolinx and to our colleges and universities!



Not only have WE SQUANDERED ALL the payments made during the Harris and Harper years - we are NO DUG IN WAY DEEPER than ever - and that is WITHOUT COUNTING for Wuhan costs!


Things are SO BAD that Wynne-bag LIE-berals altered the law to allow a defined benefit pension fund to be considered fiscally solvent if it CAN MEET 85 PERCENT OF ITS DEBTS!


With all the new debt LIE-berals dumped on us we already owed over $140 grand per person and now with the federal LIE-berals adding !00 billion in new debt between 2015 and 2019 - and THEN WE ADD IN ANOTHER COUPLE OF HUNDRED BILLION for the Wuhan DISASTER and we are WAY PAST THE DREADED DEBT WALL!


IN 2018 - Ontari-owe GOT WARNED by bond rating services that another year of LIE-beral $16 billion dollars in debt would result in HARSH PENALTIES for the province! And now here we are trying to save the provincial economy with a TWENTY BILLION DOLLAR PROVINCIAL GOVT DEFICIT! And that DOES NOT INCLUDE for debts run up in other provinces!


Poor burned out Ember - the debt numbers she presents HAVE NO MORE BASIS IN REALITY than those other claims by LIE-berals



that ALLEGE LIE-berals are good money managers! LIE-berals have SET RECORDS for deficit financing while our economy was


ALLEGEDLY BOOMING!



LIE-beral policies are DYING FASTER than Wuhan sufferers in ITALY!







and BOTH Toronto mayor Rob Rod and Ontari-owe premier Doug Ford are ON THE SAME TRACK- GROW THE ECONOMY
 
AnnaE
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#116
What's that noise in the background?
Oh, yeah, it's Waste of Beer frothing at the mouth and gibbering again.
 
spilledthebeer
#117
Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaE View Post

What's that noise in the background? Oh, yeah, it's Waste of Beer frothing at the mouth and gibbering again.




OH DEAR ME!


Burned out Ember demonstrates yet again her KEEN LACK OF INSIGHT and stillborn sense of sarcasm!
 
Dixie Cup
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#118
Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaE View Post

Venezuela. And its plight is due to corruption, not necessarily socialism.



Both - socialism leads to corruption and the general populace will not be able to do much about it because they have no way to defend themselves (see Biden/Sanders talk about the 2nd amendment).


At least in a Capitalist society, the rules (usually) apply to everyone and there are ways to bring about justice. People are better able to defend themselves, especially from tyranny.
 
AnnaE
#119
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

OH DEAR ME!


Burned out Ember demonstrates yet again her KEEN LACK OF INSIGHT and stillborn sense of sarcasm!

haha Jealous again, huh?
 
AnnaE
#120
Quote: Originally Posted by Dixie Cup View Post

Both - socialism leads to corruption and the general populace will not be able to do much about it because they have no way to defend themselves (see Biden/Sanders talk about the 2nd amendment).


At least in a Capitalist society, the rules (usually) apply to everyone and there are ways to bring about justice. People are better able to defend themselves, especially from tyranny.

lol Yeah right. No government is out to protect citizens, that I can think of.
For instance, gov'ts don't care about as how bad (C↓8HF↓150↓2) perfluorooctanoic acid is (even at concentrations as low as 1 part in a billion) for human health and the governments have known about it for at least 50 years a nd yet gov'ts allow people to cook with it and let people's babies crawl around on carpets covered with it. It's what most people call teflon.
The only people that protect us is us.