WE really need to get rid of this guy


Jinentonix
No Party Affiliation
+3
#241
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

The public service cannot administer it.

Uhh yeah. As Head of the Federal Public Service, the Clerk ensures that the Government of Canada is equipped to design and deliver high-quality programs and services to and for Canadians. Failure #1.



Failure #2.) How exactly could an organization that was in trouble with its bankers, had much of its assets tied up in real estate and laid off most of its employees deliver a $912-million program?
And how is it that the top public servants never wondered why the board of WE Charity had recently resigned and been replaced or why it reported in its 2019 financial statements that it had breached its bank covenants?


Easy, the top public servants are Groper cronies and WE was going tits up. A nice infusion of cash would have kept it afloat.


And finally, why the hell were the Trudeau's taking money from a charity for appearances? Mr "Woke" and family think they should be paid hundreds of thousands of dollars from charities they speak at. That's not very charitable. Especially when fees were STILL being paid AFTER Groper became PM.


So to sum up, you shit your britches every time Trump sneezes but our own PM now caught 3 times in a conflict of interest situation, (along with his attempt to obstruct justice), a Finance Minister now caught twice in a conflict of interest situation, with neither of them learning a goddam thing since their first one because a $500 fine per incident is a complete f*cking joke. Groper would have to speak at a WE charity event for 3 minutes to make that back. Poor guy.
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Hoid
#242
Here is Trudeau's testimony -

https://globalnews.ca/news/7237777/t...ity-takeaways/

Trudeau said he had originally expected the Canada Service Corps to deliver the program, which would have given grants to students and graduates for volunteering to help with lost job opportunities due to the COVID-19 pandemic-related shutdown.

However, the public service advised the Canada Service Corps, a youth volunteer service program created by the Liberals in 2018, was unable to scale up fast enough to deliver the emergency grant program in time to help students affected by the struggling economy this year.

That’s why the public service came back on May 21 to reaffirm its recommendation that WE was the only organization that could run the student-volunteer program, Trudeau said.

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Now, if this is not true then every member of that cabinet is aware of the lie, because he learned of it at the same time and place as they did.

Does it matter that right wing fanatics are lying about this on the internet.

No.

The only thing that matters is attacking Trudeau for the slightest political gain.

That's why you are all so laughable.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+3
#243
 
Jinentonix
No Party Affiliation
+3
#244
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Here is Trudeau's testimony -

https://globalnews.ca/news/7237777/t...ity-takeaways/

Trudeau said he had originally expected the Canada Service Corps to deliver the program, which would have given grants to students and graduates for volunteering to help with lost job opportunities due to the COVID-19 pandemic-related shutdown.

However, the public service advised the Canada Service Corps, a youth volunteer service program created by the Liberals in 2018, was unable to scale up fast enough to deliver the emergency grant program in time to help students affected by the struggling economy this year.

That’s why the public service came back on May 21 to reaffirm its recommendation that WE was the only organization that could run the student-volunteer program, Trudeau said.

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Now, if this is not true then every member of that cabinet is aware of the lie, because he learned of it at the same time and place as they did.

Does it matter that right wing fanatics are lying about this on the internet.

No.

The only thing that matters is attacking Trudeau for the slightest political gain.

That's why you are all so laughable.

And of course you 100% believe Prince Groper's testimony. So what was his pathetic excuse for not recusing himself? He forgot? He didn't know, failing to learn from Morneau's first attempt at that shit? Is he really that monumentally stupid, or just utterly corrupt?
 
JamesBondo
+1
#245
unlike the adscam where millions of dollars of taxpayer money was never returned, the Harper PMO scandal actually did return the money, I wonder if Trudeau will return the money. Any guesses on that one?
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Hoid
#246
Who really gets hurt by the We charity political football game?

https://www.manitoulin.ca/we-charity...ful-islanders/

It's the people who were trying to access the grant money.

Justin Trudeau is the target, but they are the collateral damage, and the opposition prefers to concentrate are their massive one point gain in the polls.

If you manage to ruin one plan are you not supposed to have an alternative lined up?

Or is it just like the republicans tearing down Obamacare and having no idea what to replace it with?
 
Tecumsehsbones
+1
#247
Um. . . Mr. Prime Minister?

That ain't how you spell "Wheeeeeee!"

Bet you're pretty red in the face, but I can't tell what with the shoe polish.
 
Jinentonix
No Party Affiliation
+3
#248
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Who really gets hurt by the We charity political football game?

https://www.manitoulin.ca/we-charity...ful-islanders/

It's the people who were trying to access the grant money.

Justin Trudeau is the target, but they are the collateral damage, and the opposition prefers to concentrate are their massive one point gain in the polls.

If you manage to ruin one plan are you not supposed to have an alternative lined up?

Or is it just like the republicans tearing down Obamacare and having no idea what to replace it with?

Oh f*ck off already. Once again, "As the Head of the Federal Public Service, the Clerk ensures that the Government of Canada is equipped to design and deliver high-quality programs and services to and for Canadians." I guess the student summer employment program isn't a high enough quality program for the Public Service to give a shit about. Seems like the Clerk is about as incompetent as the rest of Team Groper.


And just for clarification, designing and delivering high quality programs does NOT mean fobbing it off on some shell corporation of a charity that is going bankrupt.


Yep, let's all blame the opposition parties for the mess. Let's all blame the opposition parties for the Clerk being incompetent at their job. Let's all blame the the opposition parties for Groper appointing the incompetent boob to the position. Let's all the blame the opposition parties for Groper and Morneau's close ties and association with WE. Let's all blame the opposition parties for Groper and Morneau not recusing themselves, even though they're SUPPOSED to f*cking know better. Let's all blame the opposition parties for students signing up for farm work and then not showing up or quitting after an hour, and then listen to you cry about how the students really, really need this money. Too bad several of them just don't wanna earn it though.





It's astounding really, considering that Groper has managed to continually step all over his own dick since day 1, you keep trying to blame others for his colossal cock ups. Pathetic.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+1
#249
Conservatives ask watchdog to investigate if WE's student grant application portal breached privacy laws

Quote:

OTTAWA – Conservatives are asking the Privacy Commissioner to investigate if the online platform used by WE Charity to process applications to the Canada Student Grant Program violated federal privacy laws by potentially storing their data abroad.

“When Canadians sign up for taxpayer-funded programs, there is a reasonable assumption that their data is kept within Canada and will be protected under Canadian privacy law,” Conservative MPs Michelle Rempel Garner and Michael Barrett wrote in a letter to Commissioner Daniel Therrien’s office Wednesday.

At issue for the Conservatives is the website IWantToHelp.org, set up by WE Charity to receive applications to the Canada Student Service Grant (CSSG).

According to a Toronto Sun report last week, U.S.-based company JazzHR operated the application portal for the program, which promised to pay eligible students between $1,000 and $5,000 for volunteer work done until the end of October.

Before it pulled out of its controversial deal to run the CSSG with the Trudeau government in early July, WE says over 35,000 Canadian students had signed up to the program.

To apply for the CSSG, students had to provide their full name, email address, phone number, address, date of birth, Canadian citizenship status, school status and language of preference.

No students participated in WE-run program, Liberals say, to surprise of charity that hired nine students
WE Charity's plan to pay teachers to recruit students for grant program posed ethical dilemma for some
Controversy over grants program may destroy WE, Kielburger brothers tell parliamentary committee
According to the Toronto Sun report, the application website’s terms of reference warned that the data submitted through the portal could both be sent to a third-party organization and be stored in servers outside of Canada, such as in the U.S. or the U.K.......More

Quote:

Responding to questions about its commitment to reimburse every penny of the $30 million already paid by the Trudeau government for it to administer the CSSG, WE told the National Post that it had already sent back $22 million.

Any taxpayer moneys left in their accounts are waiting for government approval to be sent over, the Toronto-based organization added.

“WE Charity is in the process of returning all of the funds. It has thus far returned $22M of the $30M, which was received. WE Charity has repeatedly communicated to ESDC the desire to return the remaining funds as soon as the government is able to accept the transfer,” WE Charity responded in a separate statement on Wednesday.......More

 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+2
#250
Saskatchewan government drops contract with WE Charity over controversy

Quote:

REGINA — Saskatchewan is the latest province to cut ties with WE Charity, as the organization deals with fallout from a controversial contract with the federal government.

The Saskatchewan Party government had planned to partner with the organization on a $260,000 deal to promote mental well-being in schools.

The Opposition NDP raised concerns about that decision, pointing out that Premier Scott Moe and his wife had travelled to Kenya last year as guests of one of the charity's founders.

Education Minister Gord Wyant says the contract was paused and won't move ahead......More

 
Mowich
Conservative
+3
#251
Joe Oliver: Is there enough room under the bus for all the WE scandal's victims?

Leadership means taking responsibility for mistakes and not scapegoating subordinates. Trudeau’s defence strategy is neither credible nor admirable

So many implausible, self-serving and illogical explanations have been advanced to defend the prime minister’s involvement with the WE Charity student program that it is difficult to decide which to reject first. One evident purpose for all the imaginative argumentation from politicians, political operatives and public servants is to defend themselves by targeting victims, guilty or not, and throw them under the bus. The other is to hurl mess against the wall and hope the distasteful spectacle will divert the public from a central indisputable reality: Justin Trudeau and his government supported a massive sole-source contract with a financially troubled labyrinthian charitable/for profit conglomerate with which he, his relatives, several cabinet colleagues and senior political staff had close relationships — the Conflict of Interest Act and perhaps even the Criminal Code be damned.

I say “indisputable” because none of the convoluted justifications contradicts that reality. The Ethics Commissioner, and perhaps the RCMP, will determine whether statutes have been breached. Meanwhile, a heavy political penalty is being levied on Trudeau’s popularity, which, according to Angus Reid, is now 54 per cent unfavourable and just 44 per cent favourable, reflecting, no doubt, the cumulative impact of his previous behavioural lapses and ethical violations.

Let’s dispose of some of the detritus that poses as argument. Ian Shugart, Clerk of the Privy Council, has made several dubious comments, possibly intended to help his political masters, but which, ironically, assisted the PM in throwing the civil service to the wolves. His statement that “the prime minister’s involvement with the charity over a long period of time was of course in the public domain” seemed to imply the PM was somehow sanitized because everyone knew about the conflict. That is inconsistent with both conflict-of-interest law and common sense.

And in fact Shugart had not known the PM’s mother and brother had received payments for speeches from WE Charity or that Morneau’s family was involved (under the bus you go, minister). Yet Trudeau claimed he asked the public service to do due diligence after he had been shocked, shocked to first learn about WE’s proposal.

Shugart could not imagine how the government could go ahead without the involvement of the PM and minister of finance. What are the deputy PM and associate finance minister, chopped liver? If the big boys were so critical of such a highly problematic decision, the obvious course was to say no. There was also an absence of the most elementary due diligence into WE’s financial problems (including breach of its banking covenants) and governance (with almost the entire board having resigned or been dismissed). Either could have been a fatal impediment if uncovered earlier. Shugart’s seeming reluctance to learn too much about things that might be uncomfortable to confront raises questions about his own performance.

I doubt the PM’s first clerk, Janice Charette, would have remained silent. But she was moved out in 2016 (because it was 2016?), despite her competence, perhaps because Trudeau was not interested in a bureaucrat with backbone. If fear of pushback was indeed part of moving her off to be High Commissioner to the U.K., this early sidelining of a strong woman was remarkably short-sighted: a principled civil service can protect a government by speaking truth to power.

Last week, parliamentarians were treated to audacious new arguments from the PM and his chief of staff, Katie Telford. With straight faces, they claimed to have been unaware of the WE proposal for weeks. It strains credulity that a $910-million program was pursued without the PM or his office knowing, especially given their closeness to the sponsor. In my experience, that is not the way government works.

An even bigger nose-stretcher is that, when he finally found out, Trudeau was so troubled that he “pushed back” on the idea. It is passing strange that neither he nor any of his acolytes bothered to tell the public he had raised the “perception” problem, which would have reassured us earlier he is an exemplar of moral rectitude.

After an apparently superficial investigation, the public service presented the decision as binary: either WE administers the program or it isn’t done. So Trudeau felt he had to go ahead, and decided he might as well vote for it in spite of his acknowledged conflicts. As Brian Mulroney told John Turner in a knockout debate blow in 1984, “You had an option, sir — to say no.” And there were obvious alternatives to WE, including the civil service, which, with summer halfway over, is trying to salvage the Student Service Grant.

The PM’s latest tall tale would have the public service and possibly his minister of finance take the fall. How promising for Mark Carney, especially if Bill Morneau can be persuaded to resign his safe Toronto Centre seat. Sorry, Chrystia Freeland, your coronation may be contested.

Leadership means taking responsibility for mistakes and not scapegoating subordinates. Trudeau’s defence strategy is neither credible nor admirable.

financialpost.com/opinion/joe-oliver-is-there-enough-room-under-the-bus-for-all-the-we-scandals-victims/
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+1
#252
Liberal MPs grill charity watchdog that has been critical of WE during latest committee meeting

Quote:

OTTAWA – Liberal MPs spent most of their time during the parliamentary committee meeting on Thursday questioning the credibility of a charity watchdog that has been very critical of the WE organization.

During a two-hour meeting that suffered a near-hour-long delay because of internet server issues, executives at Charity Intelligence Canada (CI) — a four-person charity that analyzes and ranks other charities based on their financial statements — faced numerous questions about the “red flags” it has raised in the past regarding the WE organization’s corporate structure and financial situation.

The organization’s managing director Kate Bahen has very publicly questioned the Liberal government’s decision to outsource the $912-billion Canada Student Service Grant to WE Charity. Among the issues raised by Bahen was that WE was recently in breach of its bank covenants, and there were “blurred lines” between WE Charity and the for-profit enterprise ME to WE.

But Bahen also faced an unexpected grilling from Liberal MPs on the quality of the watchdog’s work, their ability to properly analyze any charity, as well as their past track record.

The questions began with Liberal MP Francesco Sorbara, who asked Bahen about a past apology she had to make to True North Youth Foundation, as well as the fact that one member of their team had donated “substantial sums” to the Conservative Party in the past.

He also wondered why CI had lost its charitable status back in 2012.

“I appreciate the, the work you’re doing at Charity Intelligence, it’s important,” Sorbara said. “But there’s a double-edged sword because when you make a wrong call, you can actually hurt a charity significantly. Because I don’t know who’s doing the due diligence on Charity Intelligence. And you have had to apologize in the past when you’ve made that wrong call and the damage was done.”

Government could have 'asked questions' about WE, charity watchdog group tells Commons' committee
Trudeau tells MPs that WE Charity received 'no preferential treatment' from his office
Commons committee puts spotlight on a WE empire often viewed with skepticism
Bahen responded that the only mistake she made regarding True North Youth Foundation was a “very rude comment” on a radio show for which she later apologized, but that there were no mistakes in CI’s research into the charity.

Kate Bahen did confirm that her organization had lost its charitable status “for one day,” and chalked that up to a delay in sending in CI’s annual returns to the Canada Revenue Agency. “It was a hard lesson learned well,” she noted.....More

 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+2
#253
Cabinet ministers to appear at House of Commons committee investigating WE Charity deal

Quote:

Two Liberal cabinet ministers will appear next week before a House of Commons committee investigating the government's decision to have the WE Charity administer its now-aborted student volunteer program.

Minister of Employment Carla Qualtrough and Minister of Small Business Mary Ng both have appeared on the notice of Wednesday's meeting of the finance committee, which was posted on Friday. They are each scheduled to speak for one hour.

Benoît Robidoux, the associate deputy minister at the Department of Employment and Social Development, is also scheduled to appear.

The government has been embroiled in controversy ever since Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced that WE would administer the Canada Student Service Grant (CSSG) in June. The program was meant to provide eligible students with grants of up to $5,000 in exchange for volunteer service.

The sole-sourced agreement with WE was to pay one of its foundations up to $43.5 million to administer the program, for which the government budgeted $912 million.

WE withdrew from the agreement amid a public outcry over the organization's ties to Trudeau and members of his family, who have received speaking fees from the group totalling more than $500,000.

Opposition politicians have accused Trudeau and Finance Minister Bill Morneau of being in a conflict of interest by participating in the cabinet decision to have WE Charity administer the student grants. .....More

 
Retired_Can_Soldier
+4
#254
Here are the facts. The Prime Minister was riding the same popularity wave as Donald Trump. Because both had a message of change. Both said they were going do things differently than the last guy. And as a result, hardcore believers thought that it was going to be better, and Trudeau did do one thing in his first term, aside from two ethics investigations, he legalized pot.


But beyond that?

Crickets.

He is as narcissistic as his American counterpart. He doesn't care about ethics, having clearly broken the rules on that three times. According to him: First it was an oversight. Then it was about saving 9000 Jobs in Quebec. After that, it was because WE was the only one that could administer the much needed grant program of 912 million dollars in grants to desperate students.

The fact of the matter is that he got a mulligan on the first breach of ethics. He was punished by voters over SNC Lavalin, his healthy majority government reduced to minority in the last election.

And yet, even after that he doesn't get it.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is as crooked as Donald Trump. He is just as big of a liar. He is a bully of women, a misogynist, a racist, and he is an arrogant sociopath who has used a world wide pandemic to launch his reelection bid by writing checks to anyone and everyone he can pander to get out the vote.

We don't even have a full accounting of that. Never mind this latest endeavor to enrich the lives of his family and his Finance Ministers family under the guise of getting students much needed grants during this pandemic.

He has removed the bar for ethics, he's campaigning on tax dollars, and he doesn't give a shit about Canada friends and neighbors.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+2
#255
Liberals turn over thousands of pages on WE decision, lawyers now vetting docs

Quote:

OTTAWA — The federal Liberal government has handed over thousands of pages of documents related to the WE controversy to a House of Commons committee, which lawyers are now vetting for personal information and cabinet secrets.

The finance committee demanded the documents last month as it probes whether Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's relationship with WE Charity influenced the government's ill-fated decision to have the organization run a federal student-volunteer program.

Committee members are hoping the documents will shed light on the discussions that led to the decision to have WE run the Canada Student Services Grant, before the deal was cancelled amid controversy in early July.

"People are asking a lot of questions," NDP finance critic Peter Julian said in an interview. "There's been a lot of contradictions in testimony. So the documents should be revealing a lot more of what the real answers are."

Yet while the Liberals turned more than 5,000 pages over to the committee ahead of Saturday's deadline, it wasn't clear when they would be released to members as committee lawyers go through them to prevent the release of protected information.......More

 
Mowich
Conservative
+3
#256
Ian Shugart - Clerk of the Privy Council is appearing before the Standing committee on Access to Information, Privacy, and Ethics right now. Apparently, in spite of a 2019 report on WE charity's financial irregularities and other obvious red flags, no one in his department nor any of the other departments involved had a ****ing clue. Right. And, he is perfectly happy with the due diligence that was done by his office. He also has no clue whether WE has paid back the money already given to them by the government. Chaggar was the one who signed off on the agreement - another liberal sycophant without a clue.

Listening to the liberals on the committee is enough to make one upchuck - clearly they were chosen to be cheerleaders for the minority government and not for being able to ask the tough questions needed to expose the lies behind the choice of WE. Oh **** liberal MP Gerretsen is providing another emetic moment as he praises Shugart for his wonderful service and sterling example of an efficient civil servant.

So, according to this dolt Shugart, the fact that the little potato's well-known involvement with WE was public knowledgewas more than enough to absolve him of any conflict of interest when he chose NOT to recuse himself from the decision. You simply can't make this shit up unless of course you have swallowed so much of the toxic liberal kool-aid that you no longer have the ability to see right from wrong.

Charlie Angus asked a question about who was responsible for preventing the little potato from his involvement in the ensuing scandal and Shugart promptly threw Telford under the bus on that one.

Shugart is insisting that he still hasn't seen any reason whatsoever for WE not being able to deliver the program.

Not the fact that We was broke
Not the fact that they were obviously in breach of financial regularities
Not the fact they had fired their chairman, their board and 450 employees just prior to being chosen to receive close to a billion dollars of tax payers money to deliver the program

He does admit that there was great pressure put on the public service to deliver a choice as fast as possible and if..........if mistakes were made that might be the reason. Looks like the Opposition was correct when they were insisting that the HoC should be sitting albeit with pandemic regs in place as there actually might have been a chance for this entire scandal to have been stopped in its tracks had those involved been made to answer questions in that venue.

What idiot appears before a committee without all the necessary documents at hand. Shugart is now saying that he doesn't remember whether he was or was not at the May 8th cabinet meeting where the decision was made. He may have been there, he says, but he's not sure..............but he can check his schedule. Good frickin' grief.
 
Hoid
-1
#257
Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_Soldier View Post

Here are the facts. The Prime Minister was riding the same popularity wave as Donald Trump. Because both had a message of change.

That is not even close to being a fact.

Trudeau's popularity was based on a country that is normally Liberal returning the Liberals to power after a short period of ruinous conservative rule.

It was and is more about the party than the man, while in Trump's case the opposite is true.
 
Mowich
Conservative
+4
#258
So now it is that sycophantic Chagger's turn to be grilled by the committee..........at least the members therein who give a flying **** about ethics and accountability. So far she is simply reading from the liberal playbook regarding such and is completely onside with the all the government has done in that regard. Not that I would expect someone with such a sterling history of figuratively kissing her great leaders butt to say anything else.

Yeah, Bardish......mechanisms are in place for the specific reason of preventing this type of complete shit show - we all know that. What we also now know is that those very same mechanisms were completely ignored by all those involved in the decision to choose WE.

It would really have behooved the little potato when insisting upon gender balance that he actually had the forethought to choose women who could think for themselves, speak for themselves and have the guts to stand up for the people of Canada and not their dear leader. From what I've seen of his choices, he failed miserably on all choices.


Good question by MP Barrett.............why hasn't the money taken by We been returned to the government yet. Bardish has no answer except to say the public service is apparently working on that...uh, huh............apparently not with the same immediacy with which they were so willing to hand it over to a company that was not properly vetted.
 
Mowich
Conservative
+3
#259
Chagger is refusing to answer questions regarding her involvement or contact with the public service regarding conflict of interests questions in spite of being asked a straight forward question regarding same.

Did you have any meetings with the K brothers or not is the question being asked by Charlie Angus as it has been revealed that indeed she did meet with one of the brothers and is now refusing to give a straight answer.

Charlie's a tiger. Go Charlie. Fact is that it is on the record that she DID meet with a K brother. So she can obfuscate, deny and deflect all she wants before the committee but she is not telling the truth.

Now a liberal MP is trying to deflect for Chaggar on a point of order that the chair just shot down. She is refusing to answer a yes or no question and now the chair just stepped in and told her bluntly that she HAS to answer the question and finally she admits that she did meet with a K brother.

She just told the committee that she didn't know if the K brothers knew about the program even though it was HER responsibility to have that information.

So this obviously intellectually challenged minister in charge of helping choose WE has absolute faith that all necessary due diligence was most definitely done when WE was being vetted and that all checks and balances were in place. Unfrickin' believable.
 
Mowich
Conservative
+3
#260
It appears that not a single liberal appearing before the committee has a firm grasp on the conflict of interest guideline nor what is or is not ethical whilst all the Opposition parties are well able to read the acts and understand fully what is stated therein. The liberals are also of the opinion that the actual acts are somehow open to debate on what is actually stated in them. Little wonder that they have such a difficult time doing the right thing instead of once again finding themselves for the 3RD time being hauled before a committee to answer why they don't get it.
 
gerryh
+4
#261
Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post

It appears that not a single liberal appearing before the committee has a firm grasp on the conflict of interest guideline nor what is or is not ethical whilst all the Opposition parties are well able to read the acts and understand fully what is stated therein. The liberals are also of the opinion that the actual acts are somehow open to debate on what is actually stated in them. Little wonder that they have such a difficult time doing the right thing instead of once again finding themselves for the 3RD time being hauled before a committee to answer why they don't get it.

This is not a surprise. When Trudeau took over the LPoC as leader he made it very clear that he did not want, nor would allow, members that thought for themselves. They had to follow the party line to the "t" and any decision he made was what the party had to support without question. This was made clear in the run up to the first election he ran in as leader. He told all members planning on running as a liberal that they must support abortion publically or they would not be allowed to run. Up to that time liberal mps were allowed to vote their conscience on things like abortion.
 
Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
+2
#262
Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post

Chagger is refusing to answer questions regarding her involvement or contact with the public service regarding conflict of interests questions in spite of being asked a straight forward question regarding same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gV-a92OwsI
 
Mowich
Conservative
+2
#263
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina View Post

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gV-a92OwsI


GOTCHA!!!! Now that was a moment worth witnessing Ron.......and when I was watching it live I got up and did a jig. We have the Chair to thank for Chaggar's denouement by forcing her to finally admit the truth. Was beginning to think she would once again weasel out of a straight answer after being asked the question at least once by several of the Opposition MPs.
 
Hoid
#264
Quote: Originally Posted by Mowich View Post

It appears that not a single liberal appearing before the committee has a firm grasp on the conflict of interest guideline nor what is or is not ethical whilst all the Opposition parties are well able to read the acts and understand fully what is stated therein. The liberals are also of the opinion that the actual acts are somehow open to debate on what is actually stated in them. Little wonder that they have such a difficult time doing the right thing instead of once again finding themselves for the 3RD time being hauled before a committee to answer why they don't get it.

i guess because nobody thinks Trudeau's Mommy being a paid by We meant anything at all.

Little did they know.
 
Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
+1
#265
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

i guess because nobody thinks Trudeau's Mommy being a paid by We meant anything at all.

Little did they know.

Little did they know what?
 
Hoid
+1
#266
Little did they know that people would seize on it and consider it a conflict of interest for Trudeau himself.
 
Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
+3
#267
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Little did they know that people would seize on it and consider it a conflict of interest for Trudeau himself.

Trudeau (Justin in this case with respect to Trudeau's & WE) says he knew months ago, and that's why he dragged out the announcement of the program until into the Summer (so that it would be too late to implement in another form through another body?), but didn't recuse himself from involvement in it.
 
Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
+3
#268
Here's one more just 'cuz it's fun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k2K2lE_goU
 
DaSleeper
+2
#269
hoid believes that trudeau, like dingwall, is entitled to his entitlements
 
Hoid
#270
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina View Post

Trudeau (Justin in this case with respect to Trudeau's & WE) says he knew months ago, and that's why he dragged out the announcement of the program until into the Summer (so that it would be too late to implement in another form through another body?), but didn't recuse himself from involvement in it.

I think you are just making that up.

The testimony is that he heard about the choice of WE at the same time as everyone else in that cabinet.