The Big Bang

Goober
#1
The Big Bang?

We have some knowledge of what occurred after the Big Bang.

A knowledge level that is comparable to holding a grain of sand on a sandy beach.

So what caused the Big Bang?

What preceded the Big Bang.

What was present before the Big Bang?
 
BaalsTears
#2
Deists think God was responsible. Catholic theology embraces the Big Bang. Maybe they're right. Who knows.

Personally, I think the Big Bang was more likely part of an endless feedback loop.

I've read Stephen Hawking on the subject. Unfortunately, his prose is as clear as mud, so I didn't understand it.

A Brief History of Time: Stephen Hawking: 9780553380163: Amazon.com: Books
 
L Gilbert
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#3
Yeah, I am still sticking with my hypothesis that the universe is and always was.
The rest of the Qs presented; I dunno.
 
Cliffy
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petros
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by Goober View Post

The Big Bang?

We have some knowledge of what occurred after the Big Bang.

A knowledge level that is comparable to holding a grain of sand on a sandy beach.

So what caused the Big Bang?

What preceded the Big Bang.

What was present before the Big Bang?

It never went bang at all.

Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

Yeah, I am still sticking with my hypothesis that the universe is and always was.
The rest of the Qs presented; I dunno.

The Bible types call the Universe in that state Yahweh.
 
BaalsTears
#6
Don't most theoretical physicists believe in multiple universes?
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by BaalsTears View Post

Don't most theoretical physicists believe in multiple universes?

If time was viewed as cyclical rather than linear one Universe would appear to be multiple.
 
El Barto
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by Goober View Post

The Big Bang?

We have some knowledge of what occurred after the Big Bang.

A knowledge level that is comparable to holding a grain of sand on a sandy beach.

So what caused the Big Bang?

What preceded the Big Bang.

What was present before the Big Bang?

Even if it is a grain of sand of knowledge it is far more valuable then a few pages in a book write a few thousand years ago where they had no instruments to explore the stars.
 
Blackleaf
#9
God was responsible for the Big Bang, of course.

As for what was around before it, I suppose the most obvious answer is nothing. Nothing whatsoever. No space. No solid. No air. Not matter. No time. No colour. There was NOTHING. Absolutely NOTHING. Completely and utterly NOTHING on a scale we can't comprehend. Well, not exactly. The only thing there was before the Big Bang was God.
 
SLM
#10
The Big Bang Theory Theme Song-Barenaked Ladies - YouTube
 
Blackleaf
#11


“They say it all started out with a big bang. But, what I wonder is, was it a big bang or did it just seem big because there wasn’t anything else to drown it out at the time”

- Karl Pilkington (head like an orange but still a brilliant mind)
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DaSleeper
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#12
Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

Yeah, I am still sticking with my hypothesis that the universe is and always was.
The rest of the Qs presented; I dunno.

Yup...They did it....
 
taxslave
+1
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

God was responsible for the Big Bang, of course.

As for what was around before it, I suppose the most obvious answer is nothing. Nothing whatsoever. No space. No solid. No air. Not matter. No time. No colour. There was NOTHING. Absolutely NOTHING. Completely and utterly NOTHING on a scale we can't comprehend. Well, not exactly. The only thing there was before the Big Bang was God.

So where did god come from if there was nothing before the Big Bang?
 
El Barto
+2
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

So where did god come from if there was nothing before the Big Bang?

BL knows a lot about it , he has a master of it ,
 
Cliffy
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#15
There is no beginning or end to infinity. The big bang and god require something from nothing, which proves they were invented by humans.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#16
According to Barenaked Ladies, the Big Bang occurred in Arizona.
 
taxslave
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#17
Quote: Originally Posted by El Barto View Post

BL knows a lot about it , he has a master of it ,

Also a PiledHigher&Deeper.
 
El Barto
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Also a PiledHigher&Deeper.

***Banging on desk*** hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa
 
darkbeaver
+1
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by El Barto View Post

Even if it is a grain of sand of knowledge it is far more valuable then a few pages in a book write a few thousand years ago where they had no instruments to explore the stars.

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El Barto
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

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darkbeaver
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

God was responsible for the Big Bang, of course.

As for what was around before it, I suppose the most obvious answer is nothing. Nothing whatsoever. No space. No solid. No air. Not matter. No time. No colour. There was NOTHING. Absolutely NOTHING. Completely and utterly NOTHING on a scale we can't comprehend. Well, not exactly. The only thing there was before the Big Bang was God.

There was no space to bang in either.
 
Dexter Sinister
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by BaalsTears View Post

Don't most theoretical physicists believe in multiple universes?

"Believe" is the wrong word.The idea emerges as a possibility from the equations, that's all, but so do other things, like the Big Bang being a quantum tunneling event from another universe, or a random quantum fluctuation, or a rebound from a Big Crunch in a previous universe, or the other side of a black hole in another universe... And there's a sort of tongue-in-cheek principle in theoretical physics to the effect that anything not forbidden is compulsory, so whatever the laws of nature allow has to happen eventually.
 
coldstream
#23
I posted a review on Amazon a few years ago about a book called The Big Bang Never Happened by Eric Lerner.. I haven't changed my opinion in support of the skepticism. It stems from the same root as AGW, and is an example of the dissolution of Western Science into occult superstition.



The Big Bang has gained a reputation of invincibility. It has become in the last 40 years a central pillar of scientific orthodoxy. It is the modern creation myth. The vehicle, however, is in constant need of shoring up and bailing out as its original intuitive simplicity is stoved in. Missing links, large and small, abound. Increasingly eccentric views of the architecture are pronounced to compensate for rips and gaps in the sciences needed to support it. New subatomic 'dimensions' are casually added, the noetic ether of superstrings, to accommodate an evermore insubstantial construct.

Dark matter, dark energy, dark flow, undefined and unconstrained by understood natural properties, are imposed to compensate for disequilibriums that have developed in the standard model. Time has lost its contingency as to 'direction' or spatial integrity. . Structural beams such as the primacy of light speed are tossed to notions of 'inflation' to account for the universe's 'lumpiness'. Uncertainty, entropy and 'consciousness' form an occult ethos of blind acceptance in respected scientific circles. All has become a magical superstructure understood within a closely held cryptography. Lerner's engaging critique is a colloquial history of the Big Bang, related to the societal and scientific cultures that spawned it. He argues the apprehension of the infinite universe, an anathema to the Big Bang, is directly related to an era's technological vigour.

The pervasive current in modern cosmology is that of its growing alienation from observable experiment. 'Experiments' conducted at the limits of conjectural horizons can produce only attributed results. Every 'finding' or anomaly must be insinuated into the grand master plan, geometrically complicating its conceptual foundation. By necessity, then, the test of validity becomes credulity, consonant with the scientist's rank in the priestly hierarchy, rather than by scientific method. A spectral edifice is the result, integrated into an understanding which relies on symbolic consistency rather than physical verification. Lerner notes that forces of electromagnetism and plasma physics provide a much more accessible explanation for the universe's large scale structure, using the pioneering theories of Hannes Alfven's filamentary universe. This takes the altogether reasonable route of explaining events of the past in terms of processes visible today. These, however, are so much less portentous and profound than a primal mythical singularity..

It is difficult to come up with one constructive industrial application that has been developed from contemporary cosmology beyond those based on the state of atomic science as at the end of Second World War. Its realms are now remote, exotic mathematics, far too refined and theologically pleasing than to be subjected to standards of empiricism or function. Unanchored by technological progress science loses its fundamental inspiration. One harkens back to Oswald Spengler's 'Decline of The West', where he predicted all sciences in late stage civilization would converge into number forms, abandon their proofs and utilities, and manifest boundless belief systems.

A vast academic bureaucracy, tenure, life works, Nobel prizes, research grants are now totally invested in the Big Bang. The current drift in the intellectual tides seems destined to continue along with public fascination. Lerner's contribution is in reasserting a healthy skepticism and proposing some realistic alternatives. Scientific paradigms have been fiercely defended throughout history, but have also been subjected to recurrent revolutions as their focus becomes more inward and aesthetic than useful.
Last edited by coldstream; Feb 27th, 2014 at 02:24 PM..
 
Goober
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Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

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#9 Ice
 
Walter
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

So where did god come from if there was nothing before the Big Bang?

It's a head-scratcher for us mere mortals but that's where faith comes into the picture.
 
taxslave
+2
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

It's a head-scratcher for us mere mortals but that's where faith comes into the picture.

Faith isn't proof. Actually it is the exact opposite of proof.
 
darkbeaver
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Quote: Originally Posted by Goober View Post

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#9 Ice

I always forget the ice Goober.

Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

It's a head-scratcher for us mere mortals but that's where faith comes into the picture.

Could you post that picture please.
 
Walter
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#28
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Faith isn't proof. Actually it is the exact opposite of proof.

That's why it's called faith.
 
Goober
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#29
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

I always forget the ice Goober.

I can bring the ice

Quote:

Could you post that picture please.

Last edited by Goober; Feb 27th, 2014 at 05:23 PM..
 
Dexter Sinister
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#30  Top Rated Post
Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

That's why it's called faith.

And what it really means is that you're content with not understanding and not knowing. That doesn't work for all of us.
 

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