Ought we start petitions...


Machjo
#1
..calling on the world's governments to pass a resolution against the US government, perhaps even requiring the current government to step down, in protest against the lik below from another thread in this forum? And if the resolution is violated, then military sanctions will be applied to the US?

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...th_2&printer=1

How effective do you think such a petition would be, and do you think it's realistic to believe that such a resolution could even pass?

Your thoughts.
 
Machjo
#2
..calling on the world's governments to pass a resolution against the US government, perhaps even requiring the current government to step down, in protest against the lik below from another thread in this forum? And if the resolution is violated, then military sanctions will be applied to the US?

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...th_2&printer=1

How effective do you think such a petition would be, and do you think it's realistic to believe that such a resolution could even pass?

Your thoughts.
 
Machjo
#3
..calling on the world's governments to pass a resolution against the US government, perhaps even requiring the current government to step down, in protest against the lik below from another thread in this forum? And if the resolution is violated, then military sanctions will be applied to the US?

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...th_2&printer=1

How effective do you think such a petition would be, and do you think it's realistic to believe that such a resolution could even pass?

Your thoughts.
 
Reverend Blair
#4
A resolution like that would never make it past the Security Council...the US, and likely Britain, would veto it.

Petitions like that can be effective if they get noticed by a major media outlet. They won't change what the US is doing, but they can influnce non-American politicians.
 
Reverend Blair
#5
A resolution like that would never make it past the Security Council...the US, and likely Britain, would veto it.

Petitions like that can be effective if they get noticed by a major media outlet. They won't change what the US is doing, but they can influnce non-American politicians.
 
Reverend Blair
#6
A resolution like that would never make it past the Security Council...the US, and likely Britain, would veto it.

Petitions like that can be effective if they get noticed by a major media outlet. They won't change what the US is doing, but they can influnce non-American politicians.
 
Detroit
#7
LMAO, America is to powerful and you know!! Just stay in your place and TALK about the actions that should be taken on a message board.

Also, should you sign a petition to overthrow the Sudan goverment? They treat people waaaaaaay worst that Americans. What about the North Korean government?

Stay in place and let the real countries protect the free world.

Man-up Canada
 
Detroit
#8
LMAO, America is to powerful and you know!! Just stay in your place and TALK about the actions that should be taken on a message board.

Also, should you sign a petition to overthrow the Sudan goverment? They treat people waaaaaaay worst that Americans. What about the North Korean government?

Stay in place and let the real countries protect the free world.

Man-up Canada
 
Detroit
#9
LMAO, America is to powerful and you know!! Just stay in your place and TALK about the actions that should be taken on a message board.

Also, should you sign a petition to overthrow the Sudan goverment? They treat people waaaaaaay worst that Americans. What about the North Korean government?

Stay in place and let the real countries protect the free world.

Man-up Canada
 
Reverend Blair
#10
What real country would that be, Detroit? You mean the one headed by war criminals? You mean the one that illegally invaded a sovereign state under false pretenses? You mean the one that uses banned weapons such as DU and napalm? You mean the one that has continually tried to undermine the aurthority of the UN? You mean the one that has become most disliked country on earth?

Real nations don't act like schoolyard bullies, Detroit.
 
Reverend Blair
#11
What real country would that be, Detroit? You mean the one headed by war criminals? You mean the one that illegally invaded a sovereign state under false pretenses? You mean the one that uses banned weapons such as DU and napalm? You mean the one that has continually tried to undermine the aurthority of the UN? You mean the one that has become most disliked country on earth?

Real nations don't act like schoolyard bullies, Detroit.
 
Reverend Blair
#12
What real country would that be, Detroit? You mean the one headed by war criminals? You mean the one that illegally invaded a sovereign state under false pretenses? You mean the one that uses banned weapons such as DU and napalm? You mean the one that has continually tried to undermine the aurthority of the UN? You mean the one that has become most disliked country on earth?

Real nations don't act like schoolyard bullies, Detroit.
 
Twila
#13
Quote:

Just stay in your place and TALK about the actions that should be taken on a message board.

But you've joined us in this discussion....So are you staying in your place too?


There's a pychiatric term for people who use the accomplishments of others to bolster their self esteem.......
 
Twila
#14
Quote:

Just stay in your place and TALK about the actions that should be taken on a message board.

But you've joined us in this discussion....So are you staying in your place too?


There's a pychiatric term for people who use the accomplishments of others to bolster their self esteem.......
 
Twila
#15
Quote:

Just stay in your place and TALK about the actions that should be taken on a message board.

But you've joined us in this discussion....So are you staying in your place too?


There's a pychiatric term for people who use the accomplishments of others to bolster their self esteem.......
 
Vanni Fucci
Free Thinker
#16
I have a question, and maybe you can answer it Rev...

Why hasn't the international community worked towards revoking their UN Charter? That would solve 2/3 of the problem with the UN Security Council having their resolutions vetoed by an obvious rogue state...and perhaps then the world could coalesce towards a multilateral solution by sanctioning the living $h!t out of this errant super-power...

Would not the American people wake up then?
 
Vanni Fucci
Free Thinker
#17
I have a question, and maybe you can answer it Rev...

Why hasn't the international community worked towards revoking their UN Charter? That would solve 2/3 of the problem with the UN Security Council having their resolutions vetoed by an obvious rogue state...and perhaps then the world could coalesce towards a multilateral solution by sanctioning the living $h!t out of this errant super-power...

Would not the American people wake up then?
 
Vanni Fucci
Free Thinker
#18
I have a question, and maybe you can answer it Rev...

Why hasn't the international community worked towards revoking their UN Charter? That would solve 2/3 of the problem with the UN Security Council having their resolutions vetoed by an obvious rogue state...and perhaps then the world could coalesce towards a multilateral solution by sanctioning the living $h!t out of this errant super-power...

Would not the American people wake up then?
 
Paranoid Dot Calm
#19
What if it all is a charade?

What if France and Germany bad-mouthed the US just for their domestic audience because of having such large Muslim populations?

What if "World" banking authorities were behind this invasion of Iraq and any "political" opposition within Europe is just for T.V. Land?

No European country has publicly asked for a boycott of American products.
All those countries which bad-mouthed the US still have not suggested any sort of sanction against America. Not one!

The complete "Western" economy rides upon this Iraq invasion.
The West needs a "secure" source of oil and to have that oil sold for U.S. greenbacks or Euro's ..... definitely not Dinars!

I still buy American products myself.

Calm
 
Paranoid Dot Calm
#20
What if it all is a charade?

What if France and Germany bad-mouthed the US just for their domestic audience because of having such large Muslim populations?

What if "World" banking authorities were behind this invasion of Iraq and any "political" opposition within Europe is just for T.V. Land?

No European country has publicly asked for a boycott of American products.
All those countries which bad-mouthed the US still have not suggested any sort of sanction against America. Not one!

The complete "Western" economy rides upon this Iraq invasion.
The West needs a "secure" source of oil and to have that oil sold for U.S. greenbacks or Euro's ..... definitely not Dinars!

I still buy American products myself.

Calm
 
Paranoid Dot Calm
#21
What if it all is a charade?

What if France and Germany bad-mouthed the US just for their domestic audience because of having such large Muslim populations?

What if "World" banking authorities were behind this invasion of Iraq and any "political" opposition within Europe is just for T.V. Land?

No European country has publicly asked for a boycott of American products.
All those countries which bad-mouthed the US still have not suggested any sort of sanction against America. Not one!

The complete "Western" economy rides upon this Iraq invasion.
The West needs a "secure" source of oil and to have that oil sold for U.S. greenbacks or Euro's ..... definitely not Dinars!

I still buy American products myself.

Calm
 
Machjo
#22
Good point, Calm.

Maybe we're all beiYemeni goals are long-term political aims whereas the American agenda focuses on short-term prosecution of military or law enforcement objectives," wrote Charles Schmitz, a specialist in Yemeni affairs, in 2004 report for the Jamestown Foundation, an influential US think tank.
crites here ad we don't even know it. That would mean that while the US, Canada and the Europeans are just as low on the ethics scale, the only real difference was that Bush was stupid enough to do al the dirty work and reap the future repercussions for the US while the rest sit back and will reap the benefits later.

Wow, scary thought there.
 
Machjo
#23
Good point, Calm.

Maybe we're all beiYemeni goals are long-term political aims whereas the American agenda focuses on short-term prosecution of military or law enforcement objectives," wrote Charles Schmitz, a specialist in Yemeni affairs, in 2004 report for the Jamestown Foundation, an influential US think tank.
crites here ad we don't even know it. That would mean that while the US, Canada and the Europeans are just as low on the ethics scale, the only real difference was that Bush was stupid enough to do al the dirty work and reap the future repercussions for the US while the rest sit back and will reap the benefits later.

Wow, scary thought there.
 
Machjo
#24
Good point, Calm.

Maybe we're all beiYemeni goals are long-term political aims whereas the American agenda focuses on short-term prosecution of military or law enforcement objectives," wrote Charles Schmitz, a specialist in Yemeni affairs, in 2004 report for the Jamestown Foundation, an influential US think tank.
crites here ad we don't even know it. That would mean that while the US, Canada and the Europeans are just as low on the ethics scale, the only real difference was that Bush was stupid enough to do al the dirty work and reap the future repercussions for the US while the rest sit back and will reap the benefits later.

Wow, scary thought there.
 
Reverend Blair
#25
Quote:

I have a question, and maybe you can answer it Rev...

Why hasn't the international community worked towards revoking their UN Charter?

There are a few reasons, Vanni:

Money and power. The US has more military might and a larger economy than anybody else. That gives them a fair bit of immunity. Consider the pressure they put on countries that did not enter the war on Iraq. Consider the pressure they put on countries to sign bilateral agreements not to extradite Americans to international courts.

Complicity. England and France are guilty of most of the same things the US is, just on a smaller scale.

One hand washing the other. Russia and China have a long record of abuses of power. They stay fairly quiet about the US and the US stays fairly quiet about them.

The general feeling in the international community is that it is better to have the US within the scope of the UN in hope of guiding them to some extent. At least they end up having to publicly veto things and must answer criticisms to some extent.

It works a little too. After Annan received his standing ovation in the General Assembly and everybody who was anybody endorsed Annan and the UN, the US had to send their guy to do the same. Bush has had to come crawling back to the UN for help several times since his illegal invasion of Iraq etc.

I'm not sure I agree anymore though. I think the US should have been removed from the Security Council when they invaded Iraq illegally. There is no mechanism to do that though, and none of the permanent members of the Security Council will back something like that because the same rules would then apply to them.
 
Reverend Blair
#26
Quote:

I have a question, and maybe you can answer it Rev...

Why hasn't the international community worked towards revoking their UN Charter?

There are a few reasons, Vanni:

Money and power. The US has more military might and a larger economy than anybody else. That gives them a fair bit of immunity. Consider the pressure they put on countries that did not enter the war on Iraq. Consider the pressure they put on countries to sign bilateral agreements not to extradite Americans to international courts.

Complicity. England and France are guilty of most of the same things the US is, just on a smaller scale.

One hand washing the other. Russia and China have a long record of abuses of power. They stay fairly quiet about the US and the US stays fairly quiet about them.

The general feeling in the international community is that it is better to have the US within the scope of the UN in hope of guiding them to some extent. At least they end up having to publicly veto things and must answer criticisms to some extent.

It works a little too. After Annan received his standing ovation in the General Assembly and everybody who was anybody endorsed Annan and the UN, the US had to send their guy to do the same. Bush has had to come crawling back to the UN for help several times since his illegal invasion of Iraq etc.

I'm not sure I agree anymore though. I think the US should have been removed from the Security Council when they invaded Iraq illegally. There is no mechanism to do that though, and none of the permanent members of the Security Council will back something like that because the same rules would then apply to them.
 
Reverend Blair
#27
Quote:

I have a question, and maybe you can answer it Rev...

Why hasn't the international community worked towards revoking their UN Charter?

There are a few reasons, Vanni:

Money and power. The US has more military might and a larger economy than anybody else. That gives them a fair bit of immunity. Consider the pressure they put on countries that did not enter the war on Iraq. Consider the pressure they put on countries to sign bilateral agreements not to extradite Americans to international courts.

Complicity. England and France are guilty of most of the same things the US is, just on a smaller scale.

One hand washing the other. Russia and China have a long record of abuses of power. They stay fairly quiet about the US and the US stays fairly quiet about them.

The general feeling in the international community is that it is better to have the US within the scope of the UN in hope of guiding them to some extent. At least they end up having to publicly veto things and must answer criticisms to some extent.

It works a little too. After Annan received his standing ovation in the General Assembly and everybody who was anybody endorsed Annan and the UN, the US had to send their guy to do the same. Bush has had to come crawling back to the UN for help several times since his illegal invasion of Iraq etc.

I'm not sure I agree anymore though. I think the US should have been removed from the Security Council when they invaded Iraq illegally. There is no mechanism to do that though, and none of the permanent members of the Security Council will back something like that because the same rules would then apply to them.
 

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