some thing 911 was contrived and controlled from some dude living in a cave


Stretch
#1
eaglesmack and cannuck will try to persuade us otherwise....I'll post the links as I see fit.......


9/11 - ARE AMERICANS THE VICTIMS OF A HOAX?

The time has come to stop using the flag as a blindfold, to stop waving our guns and our gods at each other, to take a close look at the facts which have emerged from the attacks on the World Trade Towers and to recognize the very real possibility, indeed probability, that We The People are the victims of a gigantic and deadly hoax. In a normal terrorist event, the terrorists cannot wait to take credit, in order to link the violence to the socio-political intent of the terrorist organization. Yet the prime suspect in the New York Towers case, ex(?) CIA asset Osama Bin Laden (whose brother was one of George W. Bush's Texas business partners), has issued only two statements regarding the September 11th attacks, and both of those are denials of any involvement.
Huge problems are emerging in the official view of events. It's known that the United States was planning an invasion of Afghanistan long before the attacks on the World Trade Towers. Indeed the attacks on the World Trade Towers perfectly fit the timetable of an invasion by October stated by US officials just last summer.
The 19 names of suspected hijackers released by the FBI don't point to Afghanistan. They come from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, United Arab Emirates; all across the middle east without a focus in any one region. Indeed, even as the FBI was admitting that its list of 19 names was based solely on identifications thought to have been forged, Saudi Arabia's Foreign Minister Prince Saudi Al-Faisal insisted that an investigation in Saudi Arabia showed that the 5 Saudi men were not aboard the four jet liners that crashed in New York, Virginia and Pennsylvania on September 11. "It was proved that five of the names included in the FBI list had nothing to do with what happened," Al-Faisal told the Arabic Press in Washington after meeting with U.S. President George W. Bush at the White House. A sixth identified hijacker is also reported to still be alive in Tunisia, while a 7th named man died two years ago!
The 19 names of suspected hijackers released by the FBI don't even appear on the passenger lists of the hijacked planes. Check it out for yourself - here's the full list of alleged hijackers along with the passenger manifests .
CNN reported that the men who hijacked those aircraft were using phony IDs, using the names of real people still living in Arab nations in the middle east.
In another development, the BBC is reporting that the transcript of a phone call made by Flight Attendant Madeline Amy Sweeney to Boston air traffic controls shows that the flight attendant gave the seat numbers occupied by the hijackers, seat numbers which were NOT the seats of the men the FBI claimed were responsible for the hijacking!
FBI Chief Robert Mueller admitted on September 20 and on September 27 that at this time the FBI has no legal proof to prove the true identities of the suicidal hijackers. Yet in the haste to move forward on the already planned war in Afghanistan, our government and the FBI (which does not have the best record for honesty in investigations to begin with, having been caught rigging lab tests, manufacturing testimony in the Vincent Foster affair, and illegally withholding/destroying evidence in the Oklahoma Bombing case) are not taking too close a look at evidence that points away from the designated suspect, ex(?) CIA asset Osama Bin Laden.
In particular, the FBI, too busy harassing political dissenters to find spies in its midst, the long rumored mole inside the White House, or plug leaks in high-tech flowing to foreign nations, has willfully and criminally ignored the implications of some vital pieces of information the FBI is itself waving around at the public.
We are being told that this crack team of terrorists, able to breeze past airport security as if it wasn't there, wound up leaving so much evidence in its wake that the bumbling Inspector Clouseau (or the FBI) could not fail to stumble over it. The locations where the terrorists supposedly stayed are so overloaded with damning materials that they resemble less a crimes scene, and more a "B" detective movie set, with vital clues always on prominent display for the cameras.
Yet another problem lies with the described actions of the hijackers themselves. We are being told on the one hand that these men were such fanatical devotees of their faith that they willingly crashed the jets they were flying into buildings. Yet on the other hand, we are being told that these same men spent the night before their planned visit to Allah drinking in strip bars, committing not just one, but two mortal sins which would keep them out of Paradise no matter what else they did. Truly devout Muslims would spend the day before a suicide attack fasting and praying. Not only does the drinking in strip bars not fit the profile of a fanatically religious Muslim willing to die for his cause, but the witness reports of the men in the bars are of men going out of their way to be noticed and remembered, while waving around phony identifications.
Because of the facts of the phony identifications, we don't really know who was on those planes. What we do know is that the men on those planes went to a great deal of trouble to steal the identities of Muslims, and to make sure those identities were seen and remembered, then to leave a plethora of planted clues around, such as crop dusting manuals, and letters in checked baggage (why does a terrorist about to die need to check baggage?) that "somehow" didn't get on the final, fatal, flight.
Fake terror is nothing new. According to recently released files, our government planned Operation NORTHWOODS to stage phony terror attacks against American citizens in the wake of the Bay Of Pigs, to anger Americans into support for a second invasion of Cuba. The plan was spiked by JFK. If our government has ever actually carried out such plans to stage phony terror attacks, the documents have remained classified. But given the reality of Operation NORTHWOODS, or the manner in which FDR maneuvered Japan into attacking Pearl Harbor, one cannot rule out the possibility that, once again, the people of the United States are being lied to by their own government, to manufacture consent for a war of invasion already being discussed with other nations the previous summer.
It is also quite possible, indeed likely, that the United States is being spoofed by a third party to trigger a war. It has happened before. According to Victor Ostrovsky, a defector from Israel's secret service, Mossad, Israel decided to mount a false flag operation designed to further discredit Libya, and provoke the US to attack an Arab nation. A transmitter loaded with pre-recorded messages was planted in Tripoli, Libya, by a Mossad team.
The `Trojan Horse' beamed out fake messages about Libyan-authorized bombings and planned attacks that were immediately intercepted by US electronic monitoring. Convinced by this disinformation that Libya was behind the 1986 bombing of a Berlin disco in which a US soldier died, President Ronald Reagan ordered massive air attacks on Libya, including an obvious- and illegal (under US law) attempt to assassinate Qadaffi himself. Some 100 Libyan civilians were killed, including Qadaffi's two year old daughter. Libyan officials had no idea why they were attacked.
It is worth remembering the motto of the Mossad is, "By way of deception, thou shalt do war."
Whether they were involved in the attacks or not, it cannot be doubted that Israel has benefited from the attacks in New York. While world attention is focused on what the US will do in Afghanistan, Israel has escalated its attacks against Palestinians towns. Israel has repeatedly tried to claim that Palestinians were involved in the New York attacks, hoping to bury the Palestinian cause under the rubble of the World Trade Towers.
Because of the faked IDs and stolen identities, we don't really know who planned the World Trade Towers attacks. We only know who they wanted us to blame.
And we know that the United States has been tricked in the past into bombing someone who did not deserve the attack, and that those who were bombed then embarked on what from their point of view was justified retaliation that culminated over Lockerbie. And while bombs were falling and planes were crashing, Israel was laughing at us that we had been so easily fooled into bombing Israel's targets for them.
Are we being hoaxed again, by Israel, or by our own government, or by both? It's impossible to rule that out. Right now there are a lot of people who want war. Oil companies want Afghanistan's petroleum products. Our corporations want "friendlier" markets. The CIA wants all that opium. And all those war-mongers, with all their greed and agendas, will not hesitate in the least to pour your tax dollars and your children's blood all over Afghanistan, to get those "friendlier" markets, oil, and opium.
Because of the vested interests at work here, American citizens must, more than at any other time in recent history, rely on themselves to decide what is happening in our nation. Too many of those who purport to report the "truth" to us are eager to grab more tax money and more children to pour into a war of invasion, poised at a region which has swallowed up every army that has tried to conquer it since the time of Alexander The Great.
And one more thing. Take a good look at the map of Eurasia and plot out where the United States has military deployments. They march in a straight line through the middle of Eurasia, Macedonia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Turkmenia, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan.
The United States is prepared to cut the Russian Federation off from the oil rich middle east, and to control transportation routes from China and India into the Middle East. When Russia realizes that this is the real agenda, that's when "Dubya Dubya Three" will really get going!
POSTSCRIPT: Looks like the cat is out of the bag. See http://english.pravda.ru/main/2001/10/08/17401.html
your turn guys.......
 
lone wolf
#2
Another one? Why are you so obsessed over things that suddenly go limp?
 
Stretch
#3
Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf View Post

Another one?

yes... why the hell not.....none of the others have come to a conclusion




this one is for eaglersmack and cannuck to post their version of events re the fire in beijing in relation to the twin towers and wtc7 which they seem to have said was hit by debris...and then fell down.....
 
CDNBear
#4


Please tell me the pseudo science types aren't trying to compare the Beijing skyscraper to the Twin Towers?

Does not one of these asshats have one clue as to was type of build design and structural design.

This isn't rocket science. It's easily verifiable information.

 
Stretch
#5
cool why is a 48 story building still standing when a 44 story building fell in its own footprint?
remember, the afor said 44 story building had less damage.....according to mainstream media.
 
CDNBear
#6
Look it up. You have all the time and ability to investigate every half witted theory. Why not try simple architecture?

Two totally different structures. This is all old hat Stretch.
 
lone wolf
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by Stretch View Post

yes... why the hell not.....none of the others have come to a conclusion

Precisely. We had one of the scientific greats in to explain it all in seven-and-a-half miles worth of cut 'n' paste and still you question his findings. If everyone has the answers, how are they ever going to have room for facts. Best advice? Invent a time machine ... or borrow Mister Peabody's....




this one is for eaglersmack and cannuck to post their version of events re the fire in beijing in relation to the twin towers and wtc7 which they seem to have said was hit by debris...and then fell down.....

Is there room within your answers for theirs?
 
darkbeaver
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

Look it up. You have all the time and ability to investigate every half witted theory. Why not try simple architecture?

Two totally different structures. This is all old hat Stretch.

Still believe the buildings was attacked by the Tallyban do ya? It would have to be very simple architecture for you to understand it, you're an old hat Bear.
 
Stretch
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post



Please tell me the pseudo science types aren't trying to compare the Beijing skyscraper to the Twin Towers?

Does not one of these asshats have one clue as to was type of build design and structural design.

This isn't rocket science. It's easily verifiable information.

actually no, it was about wtc7, of which you have bugger all knowledge........
 
CDNBear
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

Still believe the buildings was attacked by the Tallyban do ya? It would have to be very simple architecture for you to understand it, you're an old hat Bear.

Quote: Originally Posted by Stretch View Post

actually no, it was about wtc7, of which you have bugger all knowledge........

To the both of you.

It matters not what my credentials are. I've tried repeatedly to explain the differences between the WTC buildings. With information readily available at your local library. I even posted the comments made to me by several Firefighters. Of which I'm sure you have in your hometowns as well. Whom I assure will attest to the fact that a simple carbon based fire can and will melt steel.

I've posted very little from other sites as to this topic. Choosing instead to give you my first hand expertise. Of which you dismiss, without so much as a lick of proof.

So again. It matters not what my credentials are. I could by a Metallurgical Professor and post all my credentials here for you to verify and you'ld still dismiss it. You've made up your minds as to what happened. A man whom you all feel couldn't find his ass with a map, a flashlight and the help of a 60 year old hooker (GW Bush for those just tuning in). Planned and executed one of the most covert attacks on the US in history. In doing so, he pulled the wool of the eyes of millions of people who have been involved in the process of investigation, clean up and recording the events.

Yes...You the internet monks have all the facts. From a plethera of websites dedicated to god knows what.

Try something simple, call your local Fire Station. Talk to a Fire Fighter. See if that gets some real critical thought processes going...
Last edited by CDNBear; Feb 17th, 2009 at 06:23 PM..
 
ironsides
#11
Sure was, they are such nice guys.

U.S. Muslim TV network founder charged with beheading wife
U.S. Muslim TV network founder charged with beheading wife | Reuters


Some are so ignorant.
 
TenPenny
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by Stretch View Post

cool why is a 48 story building still standing when a 44 story building fell in its own footprint?
remember, the afor said 44 story building had less damage.....according to mainstream media.

Do you really want an answer? No, no you don't.
 
barney
#13
I have to admit that the article's language is sometimes a bit over the top, but the logic isn't off: past US regimes (as with other powerful regimes throughout the world) have been willing to engage in illegal action--even that which would result in harm coming to American citizens--as circumstances required to meet their foreign policy objectives. Why would the 21st century be any different?

Personally I'd say the details don't mean much by themselves: it's the big picture that's important. Namely, the question is, 'why?' If it was planned what are the benefits? And so on.

I would go with CDNBear that it's better to avoid too much reference to Internet articles and use one's own intuition and understanding of how things work. Otherwise it just becomes somebody else's argument.

But just to address an earlier comment: George W. Bush, like Regan was mostly a puppet of certain interests within the private sector. Obviously he would not have planned something on that scale (or planned anything at all really). It's unlikely that anyone would've planned the *whole* thing; usually these kinds of things are a combination of factors and interests. If there was complicity on behalf of the administration, the general evidence would seem to place them in the role of facilitator (mainly by slowing down the state's ability to respond, thus allowing the danger to continue being so unabated).

As for the benefits: well, the article makes reference to them in the Russia/China talk and achieving that would require military action.

(I talked a bit about this in scratch's "biggest arseholes" thread.)
 

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