Agriculture: “The Worst Mistake in the History of the Human Race”


Cliffy
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Prior to agriculture, humans lived happier, healthier, freer and easier lives, claims one of the world’s top scientists and thinkers. In an article published in Discover Magazine nearly 30 years ago, Pulitzer Prize winning anthropologist and evolutionary biologist Jared Diamond calls agriculture “a catastrophe from which we have never recovered.”



Diamond claims the domestication of plants and animals – which began around 10 to 15 thousand years ago – led to the eventual domestication of humans and is ultimately responsible for the “the gross social and sexual inequality, the disease and despotism that curse our existence.”
For approximately 2 million years prior to the advent of agriculture, gatherer-hunters enjoyed excellent health, social and sexual equality, very light workloads, plenty of leisure time and freedom from any form of government.

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petros
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A Putzpuller Prize winner that doesn't know his azz from a hole in the ground.

Plains tribes never had agriculture. They were in a state of perpetual war
 
Angstrom
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It's a wonder why no one wants to do it
 
darkbeaver
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The worst mistake in an undefined history is an undefined mistake, if you can't figure a mistake how reliable are you?
 
Ludlow
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Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

The worst mistake in an undefined history is an undefined mistake, if you can't figure a mistake how reliable are you?

The worst mistake of the twentiety century is you Darkbungchute
 
darkbeaver
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ludlow View Post

The worst mistake of the twentiety century is you Darkbungchute

Will I get a statue?
 
Ron in Regina
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Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Prior to agriculture, humans lived happier, healthier, freer and easier lives, claims one of the world’s top scientists and thinkers....

So not having a consistent and reliable source of nourishment
leads to happier, healthier, freer & easier lives? The homeless
jobless street people must be envied for their joyous lifestyles.

Without a consistent and reliable source of nourishment, there
would be no permanent dwellings, so nobody would have had
a real home. Constant wandering to chase whatever bug and
berry and root was in season in an effort to try & keep
something in your belly doesn't sound so much easier than
what we currently have.

Without a reliable & consistent food source (=agriculture),
there would be no time for the studies of science & medicine.
Lifespans of 25-30yrs sounds so attractive compared to the
hell we have to endure today....not.
 
petros
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A great life of always trying to stay one step ahead of death, stealing women, killing your competitors, all while having the environment trying to kill you.
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina View Post

So not having a consistent and reliable source of nourishment
leads to happier, healthier, freer & easier lives? The homeless
jobless street people must be envied for their joyous lifestyles.

Without a consistent and reliable source of nourishment, there
would be no permanent dwellings, so nobody would have had
a real home. Constant wandering to chase whatever bug and
berry and root was in season in an effort to try & keep
something in your belly doesn't sound so much easier than
what we currently have.

Without a reliable & consistent food source (=agriculture),
there would be no time for the studies of science & medicine.
Lifespans of 25-30yrs sounds so attractive compared to the
hell we have to endure today....not.

I doubt there was much written from that time so the speculation of how these early people spent their days and if they had any leisure time is just that. And they would have had some form of government (not likely formal). Elections would be held when one of they youngsters challenged the tribes elders. I imagine the rituals would be similar to gorillas and chimps do today.
 
Jinentonix
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Dumbest theory I've heard in a while.
 
Ron in Regina
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I'm sure there'd be no competition for territory, leading
to happier, healthier, freer and easier lives...not.
 
IdRatherBeSkiing
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina View Post

I'm sure there'd be no competition for territory, leading
to happier, healthier, freer and easier lives...not.

That is the fundamental problem with anarchy. The massive amount of government and police to keep the anarchists safe from each other.
 
Cliffy
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Doesn't look like anybody actually read the article. Oh well...
 
petros
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Of course it was read, that is why it is being mocked.
 
Ron in Regina
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I too read the article before posting. Reading it & believing
it are two very different things.
 
Angstrom
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the problem we have is overpopulation, as a result of Agriculture. The competition for resources is extremely high at this point.
 
Curious Cdn
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Prior to agriculture, humans lived happier, healthier, freer and easier lives, claims one of the world’s top scientists and thinkers.


There is no way at all to know if this us true. One clue that it isn't is that almost everywhere in the world where the technology of agriculture became available, the people there took it up completely, regardless of their background, location or culture. This would not hsve happened if the pre-agricultural world was such a garden of eden.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Prior to agriculture, humans lived happier, healthier, freer and easier lives, claims one of the world’s top scientists and thinkers.

There is no way at all to know if this us true. One clue that it isn't is that almost everywhere in the world where the technology of agriculture became available, the people there took it up completely, regardless of their background, location or culture. This would not hsve happened if the pre-agricultural world was such a garden of eden.

Particularly since "happier," "freer," and "easier" aren't quantifiable, and "healthier" just barely so.

This isn't science, it's politics.

Actually, I take that back. This isn't even politics, it's just Cliffy.
 
Walter
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Worst mistake of the human race was me not having the courage to ask Esther to the prom.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

Worst mistake of the human race was me not having the courage to ask Esther to the prom.

You were probably too busy obsessing over men's genitalia.
 
petros
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This isn't science, it's anthropology.
 
lone wolf
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Point made - agriculture made gathering food much easier, therefore requiring less effort and thought - very easy to scope out among certain segments of the population
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

This isn't science, it's anthropology.

No, it's propaganda.

Anthropology does have honest methodologists.

A few, anyhow.
 
Blackleaf
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If it wasn't for agriculture we'd still be running around in fields and forests chucking spears at large mammals, like the Welsh do.
 
MHz
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What they need to do is spend more on cleaning the seeds before grinding it up as flour.
Stability of the mycotoxin deoxynivalenol (DON) during the production of flour-based foods and wheat flake cereal. - PubMed - NCBI
Deoxynivalenol (DON) is a mycotoxin found in cereal grains and cereal-based foods. DON concentrations in finished products are reduced under some processing conditions, but not others. DON concentrations in flour, wheat and selected foods made from them under commercially relevant conditions were compared by GC with electron capture detection. Average concentrations (n = 9/item) in cookies, crackers and pretzels ranged from 61% (cookies) to 111% (pretzels) compared with flour (100% = 0.46 μg g⁻¹). Lesser amounts were found in donuts and bread: their respective DON concentrations were 44% and 30% that of flour. Mass balance estimates for DON (μg g⁻¹ flour equivalents) ranged from 50% (bread = 0.23 μg g⁻¹ flour equivalents) to 120% (donuts), indicating that dilution by recipe ingredients contributed to DON reductions in bread and accounted for all of the apparent reduction in donuts. Mass balance estimates averaged 76% (crackers) to 107% (pretzels) for the other flour products. DON concentrations were higher in cereal flakes (0.55 μg g⁻¹ in the finished product and 0.58 μmg g⁻¹ on a mass balance basis) than in wheat (0.40 μg g⁻¹), suggesting that DON concentrations might increase during processing of wheat cereals under some conditions. In summary, DON concentrations of finished food products were reduced ≥ 50% only in bread and donuts. Reduction in bread resulted from a combination of DON ‘loss’ and dilution by recipe ingredients whereas the reduction in donuts was due entirely to dilution. These results are further evidence of DON stability during the preparation of popular flour or wheat-based products.
 
Blackleaf
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Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

What they need to do is spend more on cleaning the seeds before grinding it up as flour.
Stability of the mycotoxin deoxynivalenol (DON) during the production of flour-based foods and wheat flake cereal. - PubMed - NCBI
Deoxynivalenol (DON) is a mycotoxin found in cereal grains and cereal-based foods. DON concentrations in finished products are reduced under some processing conditions, but not others. DON concentrations in flour, wheat and selected foods made from them under commercially relevant conditions were compared by GC with electron capture detection. Average concentrations (n = 9/item) in cookies, crackers and pretzels ranged from 61% (cookies) to 111% (pretzels) compared with flour (100% = 0.46 μg g⁻¹). Lesser amounts were found in donuts and bread: their respective DON concentrations were 44% and 30% that of flour. Mass balance estimates for DON (μg g⁻¹ flour equivalents) ranged from 50% (bread = 0.23 μg g⁻¹ flour equivalents) to 120% (donuts), indicating that dilution by recipe ingredients contributed to DON reductions in bread and accounted for all of the apparent reduction in donuts. Mass balance estimates averaged 76% (crackers) to 107% (pretzels) for the other flour products. DON concentrations were higher in cereal flakes (0.55 μg g⁻¹ in the finished product and 0.58 μmg g⁻¹ on a mass balance basis) than in wheat (0.40 μg g⁻¹), suggesting that DON concentrations might increase during processing of wheat cereals under some conditions. In summary, DON concentrations of finished food products were reduced ≥ 50% only in bread and donuts. Reduction in bread resulted from a combination of DON ‘loss’ and dilution by recipe ingredients whereas the reduction in donuts was due entirely to dilution. These results are further evidence of DON stability during the preparation of popular flour or wheat-based products.

Eating seeds as a pastime activity,
The toxicity of our city, of our city...
 
mentalfloss
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Oh Cliffy you magnanimous Luddite.


The truth is that we have become more peaceful and the most dangerous times in our species existence was when we lived in prestate societies.
 
lone wolf
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...but there wouldn't be AGW....
 
Jinentonix
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Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf View Post

...but there wouldn't be AGW....

There still isn't. lol
 
mentalfloss
#30
The effects of AGW are still easily avoidable.

And we are ****ing less than we used to do that helps too.
 

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