Trans Mountain ‘pipeline is going to get built’: Trudeau dismisses B.C.’s bitumen ban


pgs
Free Thinker
#2371
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

Tell that to the Fed gvt.


Considering that the oceans are Fed jurisdiction, you would think that they would 'protect' the waters and marine life in the same way that they put in a tanker ban off the NW coast of BC to protect the environment and aquatic life.


Come to think of it, you'd wonder why that same tanker ban isn't in place in the St Lawrence Seaway or the East coast.


Food for thought, huh?

Actually the feds did create a marine protected area in the so called Salish Sea .
 
pgs
Free Thinker
+1
#2372
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

The bed of the Fraser river is painted with toxic sludge 5-6 feet deep from all the millions of gallons of raw sewage that is dumped in it each and every day

No not really , the river is constantly dredged for marine traffic and flow control , many of the marshes and water courses in the delta are being restored and shoreline restoration is happening throughout the lower river . The river is healthier now then fifty years ago .
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
+1
#2373
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

No not really , the river is constantly dredged for marine traffic and flow control , many of the marshes and water courses in the delta are being restored and shoreline restoration is happening throughout the lower river . The river is healthier now then fifty years ago .

than
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#2374
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

more from the article for those still considering an expansion of this through BC

The spill realized some of the biggest fears of the pipeline project, which was approved in 2006 — despite opposition from farmers, indigenous groups, and environmental organizations — and started pumping oil back in 2010. The Keystone Pipeline carries oily sludge from the enormous tar sands fields in Alberta, Canada, across more than 2,000 miles of pristine wetlands in the Dakotas, through Nebraska to Patoka, Illinoi

The company, TC Energy, formerly TransCanada, projected that the pipeline would spill just 11 times over the course of 50 years, or about once every seven years. Since it started pumping, it’s already spilled large amounts of oil four times.

Yes we would rather have rolling pipelines through our major salmon bearing rivers .
 
captain morgan
No Party Affiliation
+2
#2375
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Pulp and paper mills located at Prince George and Quesnel, adjacent to the Fraser River, are sources of contamination; although contamination downstream of these mills still exists, changes to bleaching processes in the 1990s dramatically improved water quality. Other sources of contamination originate as urban and agricultural runoff. Additionally, industrial mineral, coal, and metal mining operations exist in the Fraser River basin, all of which are potential sources of pollution.On 4 August 2014, a breach of the tailings pond dam at the Mount Polley mine sent 8 million m3 of contaminants into Hazeltine Creek, Polley Lake and Quesnel Lake in the Fraser River basin.The waste water contained cobalt, nickel, antimony, arsenic, lead, selenium, mercury and cadmium. The disaster had a substantial impact on the local aquatic environment and may have long-term impacts on salmon spawning in the area


BC is just an environmental disaster, it's part of their rich tradition alongside clear cutting vast swaths of trees
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+1
#2376
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

more from the article for those still considering an expansion of this through BC
The spill realized some of the biggest fears of the pipeline project, which was approved in 2006 — despite opposition from farmers, indigenous groups, and environmental organizations — and started pumping oil back in 2010. The Keystone Pipeline carries oily sludge from the enormous tar sands fields in Alberta, Canada, across more than 2,000 miles of pristine wetlands in the Dakotas, through Nebraska to Patoka, Illinoi
The company, TC Energy, formerly TransCanada, projected that the pipeline would spill just 11 times over the course of 50 years, or about once every seven years. Since it started pumping, it’s already spilled large amounts of oil four times.

So what does that mean to you? To me it looks like it was an acceptable worst case scenario by the licensing bodies to me
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#2377
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

not to mention the whale poop




WELL GOSH hemerHOID................................


you are organic and thus biodegradable..................................... ..


can we BURY YOU in your own heap of LIE-beral crap...................................


and let you decompose??????????????????????

 
pgs
Free Thinker
+2
#2378
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

BC is just an environmental disaster, it's part of their rich tradition alongside clear cutting vast swaths of trees

Come now captain , I agree with you most of the time , but B.C. even under the Social Credit and Liberals have been cleaning up our act . It isn’t even the industrial wasteland that Cliffy and Anne Ember think they live in .
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
-1
#2379
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Come now captain , I agree with you most of the time , but B.C. even under the Social Credit and Liberals have been cleaning up our act . It isn’t even the industrial wasteland that Cliffy and Anne Ember think they live in .


We're actually in pretty good shape as a province, probably the best in Canada anyway! We've got a lot to be thankful for.
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
#2380
Well, looky there, another right wing circle jerk.
 
pgs
Free Thinker
+2
#2381
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Well, looky there, another right wing circle jerk.

Dispute my claims .
 
Girth
+1 / -1
#2382
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

When tar sands oil spills, the diluent evaporates pretty quickly — causing toxic, short-term air pollution — and leaves the heavy bitumen behind, which sinks.
“Once bitumen sinks to the bottom of a lake or wetland, it is much more problematic to clean up than conventional oil, which floats nicely and can be skimmed off the surface,” Diane Orihel, a professor in aquatic ecotoxicology at Queen’s University, told VICE News.


Anyone that uses Vice news as a reliable news source, needs to get their head examined.
 
spilledthebeer
#2383
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

No not really , the river is constantly dredged for marine traffic and flow control , many of the marshes and water courses in the delta are being restored and shoreline restoration is happening throughout the lower river . The river is healthier now then fifty years ago .






Oh I think that is a LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Or else it is a REAL BACKHAND COMPLIMENT to the river condition!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If it is "BETTER NOW' then God only knows what condition it was in a few years back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And that brings us to the question of how such a pack of SELF PROCLAIMED TREE HUGGERS................................


could so happily and thoughtlessly POLLUTE A MAJOR RIVER SO THOROUGHLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


AND THEN FLUSH ALL THEIR TOILETS into the Marine Environment THEY CLAIM they want to save!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Did I not hear that the Fraser is the SECOND MOST POLLUTED RIVER in Canada??????????????

Right after St Lawrence????????????


Certainly the Fraser IS UNQUESTIONABLY the DIRTIEST RIVER in B.C!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And yes - various B.C. govts have enacted assorted "user pay" type punishments ................................


that have been reported as TOTALLY INEFFECTUAL by reports printed in various media............................


such as Cdn Geographic Magazine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!


IF IT IS LIE-beral...........ITS A LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#2384
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

Oh I think that is a LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Or else it is a REAL BACKHAND COMPLIMENT to the river condition!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If it is "BETTER NOW' then God only knows what condition it was in a few years back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And that brings us to the question of how such a pack of SELF PROCLAIMED TREE HUGGERS................................


could so happily and thoughtlessly POLLUTE A MAJOR RIVER SO THOROUGHLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


AND THEN FLUSH ALL THEIR TOILETS into the Marine Environment THEY CLAIM they want to save!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Did I not hear that the Fraser is the SECOND MOST POLLUTED RIVER in Canada??????????????

Right after St Lawrence????????????


Certainly the Fraser IS UNQUESTIONABLY the DIRTIEST RIVER in B.C!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And yes - various B.C. govts have enacted assorted "user pay" type punishments ................................


that have been reported as TOTALLY INEFFECTUAL by reports printed in various media............................


such as Cdn Geographic Magazine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!


IF IT IS LIE-beral...........ITS A LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will say you are incorrect and leave it at that .
 
Hoid
#2385
Quote: Originally Posted by Girth View Post

Anyone that uses Vice news as a reliable news source, needs to get their head examined.

Vice is not the source.Diane Orihel, a professor in aquatic ecotoxicology at Queen’s University is the source
 
captain morgan
No Party Affiliation
+2
#2386
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

No not really , the river is constantly dredged for marine traffic and flow control , many of the marshes and water courses in the delta are being restored and shoreline restoration is happening throughout the lower river . The river is healthier now then fifty years ago .


The doc that highlighted the conditions of the Fraser was published by none other than Suzuki. I'll try and source the PDF and shoot it out.


That said, I do not doubt that the applicable efforts are engaged, I pretty much just wanted to give hoid some food for thought


Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Vice is not the source.Diane Orihel, a professor in aquatic ecotoxicology at Queen’s University is the source


What's her opinion on the effects of millions of gallons of RAW SEWAGE being dumped in the rivers and oceans EACH AND EVERY DAY?
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
+4
#2387
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Actually the feds did create a marine protected area in the so called Salish Sea .

Only problem is all the ships going to Puget Sound travel through the same water with an imaginary line keeping the oil on the US side.
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
+3
#2388
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Dispute my claims .

Not until welfare Wednesday so he can buy some more Facebook memes.
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
+3
#2389
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

The doc that highlighted the conditions of the Fraser was published by none other than Suzuki. I'll try and source the PDF and shoot it out.
That said, I do not doubt that the applicable efforts are engaged, I pretty much just wanted to give hoid some food for thought
What's her opinion on the effects of millions of gallons of RAW SEWAGE being dumped in the rivers and oceans EACH AND EVERY DAY?

What is hoid supposed to use to think with?
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
+1
#2390
The same hoid he wears his hiot oin?
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
-1
#2391
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

What is hoid supposed to use to think with?


A brain? …………...if he has one!
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
-1
#2392
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

BC is just an environmental disaster, it's part of their rich tradition alongside clear cutting vast swaths of trees


Quite often fire breaks as a precaution against forest fires.
 
MHz
#2393
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

BC is just an environmental disaster, it's part of their rich tradition alongside clear cutting vast swaths of trees

A look at the water quality of lakes in 'remote regions of BC' show the early miners fukked up the water forever. If there were any environmental regulations they were ignored. That is due to industry and Government working together to pull a robbery by not spending money to put the land back into a good condition after the clear-cut.
A virgin forest has no roads so right off the start there is a need to leave it in a condition that makes the next harvest much easier on the companies and the land. It is the lack of care after that caused the damage when spending a good amount will make the forest tame rather than wild so the products taken all have value.
If industry and Government wanted the wood they would just take it and leave a worse mess than usual. If the Government has a history of letting businesses in and let them operate as cheaply as possible so the owners max out the profits then they should be hit with the bill to clean it up rather than their method of leaving the mess as is and just ignoring all of it as far as 'fixing things'.

The Frazer Canyon was fukked when the road was build. the debris was pushed into the river which changed the current so fish could not use it. When a action plan sees that fixed then there might be hope that industry and Government will make the land more useful than the way they found it.

Don't hold your breath.


Russia is building a lot of pipelines in areas that mirror the Canadian West. They would be using 21st century methods rather than what Canada used in the last century.
Such as this:


https://www.worldpipelines.com/proje...am-2-pipeline/
Last edited by MHz; Nov 7th, 2019 at 03:13 AM..
 
spilledthebeer
#2394
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

I will say you are incorrect and leave it at that .






Typical LIE-beral!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Too lazy to bother defending your propaganda!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#2395
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

A look at the water quality of lakes in 'remote regions of BC' show the early miners fukked up the water forever. If there were any environmental regulations they were ignored. That is due to industry and Government working together to pull a robbery by not spending money to put the land back into a good condition after the clear-cut.
A virgin forest has no roads so right off the start there is a need to leave it in a condition that makes the next harvest much easier on the companies and the land. It is the lack of care after that caused the damage when spending a good amount will make the forest tame rather than wild so the products taken all have value.
If industry and Government wanted the wood they would just take it and leave a worse mess than usual. If the Government has a history of letting businesses in and let them operate as cheaply as possible so the owners max out the profits then they should be hit with the bill to clean it up rather than their method of leaving the mess as is and just ignoring all of it as far as 'fixing things'.

The Frazer Canyon was fukked when the road was build. the debris was pushed into the river which changed the current so fish could not use it. When a action plan sees that fixed then there might be hope that industry and Government will make the land more useful than the way they found it.

Don't hold your breath.


Russia is building a lot of pipelines in areas that mirror the Canadian West. They would be using 21st century methods rather than what Canada used in the last century.
Such as this:


https://www.worldpipelines.com/proje...am-2-pipeline/




DELUSIONAL MORON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


IN CANADA - pipelines may be either.....


above ground as in your photo...................



OR BURIED so that the pipelines do not act


as an impediment to migrating wild life such as Caribou!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The pipeline shown in your photo is CLEARLY ..........


a MAJOR IMPEDIMENT to the movement.................


of LARGER species of wildlife such as.......................


Moose and Caribou!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
pgs
Free Thinker
+1
#2396
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

Typical LIE-beral!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Too lazy to bother defending your propaganda!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are funny and you type a lot but you certainly don’t pay attention to who the posters are if you call me a liberal .
Did I say the river is pristine ? I don’t remember that . The river has two major rail lines on its banks , millions of people living in its watershed and most of their effluent is treated prior to release . Victoria on Vancouver Island 50 miles from the mouth of the Fraser releases its untreated effluent vis pipeline deep into Juan de Fuca Straight .
There are many problems with the river and man created most of them but we are doing a lot with respect to keeping the river healthy .
 
spilledthebeer
#2397
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Yes we would rather have rolling pipelines through our major salmon bearing rivers .




What are you afraid of?????????????????


That a pipeline near the Fraser River might interfere with the flushing of your TOILET???????????


One has to WONDER if the west coast....................


is much like the east coast where a surprising number...........


of toilets that are SUPPOSED to be flushing into............


a septic tank - are actually draining into....................


the NEAREST RIVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Are you afraid your little toilet diversion will BE EXPOSED


by oil pipeline work??????????????????


Some kid in New Brunswick - with an interest in cleaning up her local river - managed to trace the sewage


back to SEVERAL DOZEN houses in her little town that had pipes discreetly running straight from toilet to river!!!!!!!!



In other news .........................LIE-beral CLAIMS about concern for the environment...................................


CONTAIN MORE CRAP than most of our rivers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!



Here is yet another article illustrating just how careless LIE-berals really are about the environment. With some comments of my own in brackets):

Raw sewage overflowing into Ontario waterways at alarming rate: Watchdog

From Canadian Press.

Published: November 13, 2018. Updated: November 13, 2018 10:19 AM EST

Filed Under: Toronto SUN/ News/ Ontario

Ontario’s environmental watchdog says the province is allowing raw sewage to overflow into lakes and rivers at an alarming rate.

(Of course it is the responsibility of MUNICIPALITIES to ensure sewage does not overflow in such fashion! And any attempt by the province to persuade municipal civil service union Hogs that they should clean up THEIR ACT would start a political WW3!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Environmental Commissioner Dianne Saxe is raising concerns about the issue in her annual report, released Tuesday.

(This ongoing govt inaction on sewage over flows is CLEARLY A DELIBERATE ATTEMPT to avoid building more of those COSTLY sewage treatment plants!! The building of such infrastructure would cut deeply into the supply of LIE-beral Gravy!! Therefore it is easier for LIE-berals to blame “global warming” for the sh+t storms than to admit our treatment plants ARE TO SMALL for the growing population!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

The report says that between April 2017 and March this year, raw sewage overflowed into southern Ontario waterways 1,327 times from nearly 60 outdated municipal sewer systems that combine sewage and stormwater.

(There is of course NOTHING unusual about this as it has been going on for DECADES! And it is the result- in part of those “out dated” sewer systems that were DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY to dump sewage in heavy rains! And of course as our towns and cities grow- and ever more pavement is poured- the amount of run off steadily increases!)

(It is not harsher weather that is overflowing sewage systems- it is careless govt that considers that pay raises for civil service union Hogs are more important than clean water! I know of one residential area that has had 3 floods- meaning basements full of raw sewage in 5 years! But the floods CEASED just as soon as local govt built more rainwater retention ponds so storm water is released more slowly!)

Saxe recommends the province require every municipality with combined sewers to take action to eliminate overflows using measures like additional stormwater fees and building additional infrastructure.

(The City of Toronto has been discussing this separation of storm water and sewage for several decades! It would have cost a billion dollars to implement such a split in services 20 years ago when we were vastly LESS sunk in debt! And Silly Hall chose instead to spend that billion on Ataratiri- this was to be the grand new housing development in what is now called “The Portlands”! Yes- a billion dollars in 1980`s dollars to buy out and expropriate businesses and chase away jobs- only to discover The Portland are to polluted to live on!)

(But now real estate in Toronto is so costly that the original BILLION DOLLAR CLEAN UP cost looks low enough for developers to work with! And yet- why has there been so much trouble with the Sidewalk Group that is involved in developing The Portlands?)

(Should we ask if the Ford govt has begun sniffing into those LIE-beral deals and smells a LIE-beral RAT?)

Saxe says the province’s waterways are also being affected by run-off laden with fertilizer and road salt.

Yes- and is it not RIDICULOUS that The Portlands/Ataratiri is being developed at who knows what real cost to the public- when we might do better to RETURN IT to its ancient status as MARSHLAND? WE all know that marshes have a wonderful capacity to clean water! And how much would local Toronto tourists benefit from having a bird sanctuary in the Point Pelee style right down town on the bus lines?)

(Would Toronto prefer birds in a LOW COST wild life sanctuary that will also enure that less sewage and other contaminants end up their beaches on hot summer days? Or would they prefer another Regents Park MONEY PIT- with govt and developers working together to produce mixed housing - some “affordable” and some geared to market- and the city is holding all the usual cost over runs while the developer is apparently doing nicely according to some news reports!)

(Councilors at Silly Hall think my questions about developer profits and city hall cost over runs versus having a low cost and scenic wild life sanctuary are silly! They think huge cost over runs are a good way to conduct business!)

The report also notes that provincial standards on toxic waste poured into waterways haven’t been updated in 25 years.

(No- Toronto Silly Hall WOULD NOT want to update such standards even if you held their feet in the fire! One MAJOR REASON Silly Hall USED TO GIVE for not dredging the lower Don River in order to prevent flooding on nearby Don Valley Parkway was because there was so much heavy metal in the silt that such dredging would stir it up and result in it entering our drinking water- with harmful consequences!)

(But of course the City is now DESPERATE for more gravy and there will no longer BE ANY PROBLEM dredging down there any longer! Toronto Silly Hall desperately wants the new flow of gravy from Ataratiri/The Portlands!)

(And the sewage problem? LIE-berals DO NOT CARE!!!!!!!!)
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#2398
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

What are you afraid of?????????????????


That a pipeline near the Fraser River might interfere with the flushing of your TOILET???????????


One has to WONDER if the west coast....................


is much like the east coast where a surprising number...........


of toilets that are SUPPOSED to be flushing into............


a septic tank - are actually draining into....................


the NEAREST RIVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Are you afraid your little toilet diversion will BE EXPOSED


by oil pipeline work??????????????????


Some kid in New Brunswick - with an interest in cleaning up her local river - managed to trace the sewage


back to SEVERAL DOZEN houses in her little town that had pipes discreetly running straight from toilet to river!!!!!!!!



In other news .........................LIE-beral CLAIMS about concern for the environment...................................


CONTAIN MORE CRAP than most of our rivers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!



Here is yet another article illustrating just how careless LIE-berals really are about the environment. With some comments of my own in brackets):

Raw sewage overflowing into Ontario waterways at alarming rate: Watchdog

From Canadian Press.

Published: November 13, 2018. Updated: November 13, 2018 10:19 AM EST

Filed Under: Toronto SUN/ News/ Ontario

Ontario’s environmental watchdog says the province is allowing raw sewage to overflow into lakes and rivers at an alarming rate.

(Of course it is the responsibility of MUNICIPALITIES to ensure sewage does not overflow in such fashion! And any attempt by the province to persuade municipal civil service union Hogs that they should clean up THEIR ACT would start a political WW3!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Environmental Commissioner Dianne Saxe is raising concerns about the issue in her annual report, released Tuesday.

(This ongoing govt inaction on sewage over flows is CLEARLY A DELIBERATE ATTEMPT to avoid building more of those COSTLY sewage treatment plants!! The building of such infrastructure would cut deeply into the supply of LIE-beral Gravy!! Therefore it is easier for LIE-berals to blame “global warming” for the sh+t storms than to admit our treatment plants ARE TO SMALL for the growing population!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

The report says that between April 2017 and March this year, raw sewage overflowed into southern Ontario waterways 1,327 times from nearly 60 outdated municipal sewer systems that combine sewage and stormwater.

(There is of course NOTHING unusual about this as it has been going on for DECADES! And it is the result- in part of those “out dated” sewer systems that were DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY to dump sewage in heavy rains! And of course as our towns and cities grow- and ever more pavement is poured- the amount of run off steadily increases!)

(It is not harsher weather that is overflowing sewage systems- it is careless govt that considers that pay raises for civil service union Hogs are more important than clean water! I know of one residential area that has had 3 floods- meaning basements full of raw sewage in 5 years! But the floods CEASED just as soon as local govt built more rainwater retention ponds so storm water is released more slowly!)

Saxe recommends the province require every municipality with combined sewers to take action to eliminate overflows using measures like additional stormwater fees and building additional infrastructure.

(The City of Toronto has been discussing this separation of storm water and sewage for several decades! It would have cost a billion dollars to implement such a split in services 20 years ago when we were vastly LESS sunk in debt! And Silly Hall chose instead to spend that billion on Ataratiri- this was to be the grand new housing development in what is now called “The Portlands”! Yes- a billion dollars in 1980`s dollars to buy out and expropriate businesses and chase away jobs- only to discover The Portland are to polluted to live on!)

(But now real estate in Toronto is so costly that the original BILLION DOLLAR CLEAN UP cost looks low enough for developers to work with! And yet- why has there been so much trouble with the Sidewalk Group that is involved in developing The Portlands?)

(Should we ask if the Ford govt has begun sniffing into those LIE-beral deals and smells a LIE-beral RAT?)

Saxe says the province’s waterways are also being affected by run-off laden with fertilizer and road salt.

Yes- and is it not RIDICULOUS that The Portlands/Ataratiri is being developed at who knows what real cost to the public- when we might do better to RETURN IT to its ancient status as MARSHLAND? WE all know that marshes have a wonderful capacity to clean water! And how much would local Toronto tourists benefit from having a bird sanctuary in the Point Pelee style right down town on the bus lines?)

(Would Toronto prefer birds in a LOW COST wild life sanctuary that will also enure that less sewage and other contaminants end up their beaches on hot summer days? Or would they prefer another Regents Park MONEY PIT- with govt and developers working together to produce mixed housing - some “affordable” and some geared to market- and the city is holding all the usual cost over runs while the developer is apparently doing nicely according to some news reports!)

(Councilors at Silly Hall think my questions about developer profits and city hall cost over runs versus having a low cost and scenic wild life sanctuary are silly! They think huge cost over runs are a good way to conduct business!)

The report also notes that provincial standards on toxic waste poured into waterways haven’t been updated in 25 years.

(No- Toronto Silly Hall WOULD NOT want to update such standards even if you held their feet in the fire! One MAJOR REASON Silly Hall USED TO GIVE for not dredging the lower Don River in order to prevent flooding on nearby Don Valley Parkway was because there was so much heavy metal in the silt that such dredging would stir it up and result in it entering our drinking water- with harmful consequences!)

(But of course the City is now DESPERATE for more gravy and there will no longer BE ANY PROBLEM dredging down there any longer! Toronto Silly Hall desperately wants the new flow of gravy from Ataratiri/The Portlands!)

(And the sewage problem? LIE-berals DO NOT CARE!!!!!!!!)

First you tell me I live in a sh-t hole and when I counter that you post an article describing the sh-t hole you live in.
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
+2
#2399
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Actually the feds did create a marine protected area in the so called Salish Sea .

There are several marine protected areas. Far as I know they are not off limits for fishing and whale watching. The two things that cause the most marine damage.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
-1
#2400
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

What are you afraid of?????????????????


That a pipeline near the Fraser River might interfere with the flushing of your TOILET???????????


One has to WONDER if the west coast....................


is much like the east coast where a surprising number...........


of toilets that are SUPPOSED to be flushing into............


a septic tank - are actually draining into....................


the NEAREST RIVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Are you afraid your little toilet diversion will BE EXPOSED


by oil pipeline work??????????????????


Some kid in New Brunswick - with an interest in cleaning up her local river - managed to trace the sewage


back to SEVERAL DOZEN houses in her little town that had pipes discreetly running straight from toilet to river!!!!!!!!



In other news .........................LIE-beral CLAIMS about concern for the environment...................................


CONTAIN MORE CRAP than most of our rivers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!



Here is yet another article illustrating just how careless LIE-berals really are about the environment. With some comments of my own in brackets):

Raw sewage overflowing into Ontario waterways at alarming rate: Watchdog

From Canadian Press.

Published: November 13, 2018. Updated: November 13, 2018 10:19 AM EST

Filed Under: Toronto SUN/ News/ Ontario

Ontario’s environmental watchdog says the province is allowing raw sewage to overflow into lakes and rivers at an alarming rate.

(Of course it is the responsibility of MUNICIPALITIES to ensure sewage does not overflow in such fashion! And any attempt by the province to persuade municipal civil service union Hogs that they should clean up THEIR ACT would start a political WW3!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Environmental Commissioner Dianne Saxe is raising concerns about the issue in her annual report, released Tuesday.

(This ongoing govt inaction on sewage over flows is CLEARLY A DELIBERATE ATTEMPT to avoid building more of those COSTLY sewage treatment plants!! The building of such infrastructure would cut deeply into the supply of LIE-beral Gravy!! Therefore it is easier for LIE-berals to blame “global warming” for the sh+t storms than to admit our treatment plants ARE TO SMALL for the growing population!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

The report says that between April 2017 and March this year, raw sewage overflowed into southern Ontario waterways 1,327 times from nearly 60 outdated municipal sewer systems that combine sewage and stormwater.

(There is of course NOTHING unusual about this as it has been going on for DECADES! And it is the result- in part of those “out dated” sewer systems that were DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY to dump sewage in heavy rains! And of course as our towns and cities grow- and ever more pavement is poured- the amount of run off steadily increases!)

(It is not harsher weather that is overflowing sewage systems- it is careless govt that considers that pay raises for civil service union Hogs are more important than clean water! I know of one residential area that has had 3 floods- meaning basements full of raw sewage in 5 years! But the floods CEASED just as soon as local govt built more rainwater retention ponds so storm water is released more slowly!)

Saxe recommends the province require every municipality with combined sewers to take action to eliminate overflows using measures like additional stormwater fees and building additional infrastructure.

(The City of Toronto has been discussing this separation of storm water and sewage for several decades! It would have cost a billion dollars to implement such a split in services 20 years ago when we were vastly LESS sunk in debt! And Silly Hall chose instead to spend that billion on Ataratiri- this was to be the grand new housing development in what is now called “The Portlands”! Yes- a billion dollars in 1980`s dollars to buy out and expropriate businesses and chase away jobs- only to discover The Portland are to polluted to live on!)

(But now real estate in Toronto is so costly that the original BILLION DOLLAR CLEAN UP cost looks low enough for developers to work with! And yet- why has there been so much trouble with the Sidewalk Group that is involved in developing The Portlands?)

(Should we ask if the Ford govt has begun sniffing into those LIE-beral deals and smells a LIE-beral RAT?)

Saxe says the province’s waterways are also being affected by run-off laden with fertilizer and road salt.

Yes- and is it not RIDICULOUS that The Portlands/Ataratiri is being developed at who knows what real cost to the public- when we might do better to RETURN IT to its ancient status as MARSHLAND? WE all know that marshes have a wonderful capacity to clean water! And how much would local Toronto tourists benefit from having a bird sanctuary in the Point Pelee style right down town on the bus lines?)

(Would Toronto prefer birds in a LOW COST wild life sanctuary that will also enure that less sewage and other contaminants end up their beaches on hot summer days? Or would they prefer another Regents Park MONEY PIT- with govt and developers working together to produce mixed housing - some “affordable” and some geared to market- and the city is holding all the usual cost over runs while the developer is apparently doing nicely according to some news reports!)

(Councilors at Silly Hall think my questions about developer profits and city hall cost over runs versus having a low cost and scenic wild life sanctuary are silly! They think huge cost over runs are a good way to conduct business!)

The report also notes that provincial standards on toxic waste poured into waterways haven’t been updated in 25 years.

(No- Toronto Silly Hall WOULD NOT want to update such standards even if you held their feet in the fire! One MAJOR REASON Silly Hall USED TO GIVE for not dredging the lower Don River in order to prevent flooding on nearby Don Valley Parkway was because there was so much heavy metal in the silt that such dredging would stir it up and result in it entering our drinking water- with harmful consequences!)

(But of course the City is now DESPERATE for more gravy and there will no longer BE ANY PROBLEM dredging down there any longer! Toronto Silly Hall desperately wants the new flow of gravy from Ataratiri/The Portlands!)

(And the sewage problem? LIE-berals DO NOT CARE!!!!!!!!)


"Some kid in New Brunswick - with an interest in cleaning up her local river - managed to trace the sewage


back to SEVERAL DOZEN houses in her little town that had pipes discreetly running straight from toilet to river!!!!!!!!"
When I was a kid there was a story going around of a family who switched over from their septic tank to the city sewer system and shortly there after their well went dry!