Capitalism will save this world


pgs
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#2521
Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaEmber View Post

$135 K is still high pay even for heavy machine operators. https://www.payscale.com/research/CA...or/Hourly_Rate
Here's more info: https://www.payscale.com/research/CA...on/Hourly_Rate

Factor in camp wages and overtime hours and it is not a stretch .
 
VIBC
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#2522
Political party followers often repeat the cliché that minority governments "can't get anything done" - which is, of course, nonsense.

What they really mean is that without a clear majority no party can pass any part of its ideological agenda without convincing parliament that it's worth passing - which is exactly as it should be.

Sadly our political system with its party whips, its leaders' ability to coerce and threaten their members, is prone to keeping members more aligned with the party's election potential than with the wishes of their constituents or the welfare of the nation.

Much more could be said about the bizarre irrationality of the party system. It quite destroys the potential for true democracy.
 
AnnaEmber
#2523
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Factor in camp wages and overtime hours and it is not a stretch .

So camp wages and overtime are the norm or the exception to the rule? I think the people in the links were referring to normal work weeks.
 
petros
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#2524
Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaEmber View Post

So camp wages and overtime are the norm or the exception to the rule? I think the people in the links were referring to normal work weeks.

A regular work week in industrial? That doesn't happen.
 
pgs
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#2525
Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaEmber View Post

So camp wages and overtime are the norm or the exception to the rule? I think the people in the links were referring to normal work weeks.

I am not sure , however when I worked in certain industries it was the OT that paid the bills .
 
petros
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#2526
On a "get r done" job it's usually 5 10s and 2 8s on weekends at double and triple. Add in a per diem and its easy to have a $6K week.
 
petros
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#2527
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

On a "get r done" job it's usually 5 10s and 2 8s on weekends at double and triple. Add in a per diem and its easy to have a $6K week.

I wonder what would happen to the Canadian economy if 250,000 jobs paying that well dried up in a matter of 6 months.

Just imagine....
 
AnnaEmber
#2528
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

A regular work week in industrial? That doesn't happen.

It's relative and subject to the industry. Like what is the "norm" for that industry?
 
AnnaEmber
#2529
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

On a "get r done" job it's usually 5 10s and 2 8s on weekends at double and triple. Add in a per diem and its easy to have a $6K week.

Why would a job be a "get-it-done" type unless management didn't project properly? Can't blame everything on the weather.
 
AnnaEmber
#2530
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

I am not sure , however when I worked in certain industries it was the OT that paid the bills .

So how many people working for $175K per year need overtime to pay the bills?
That's an exception, not the rule.
The fact is, the less income potential one has the harder life is and it is extremely hard to improve. Those born into wealth literally have it made and so they can't understand how life is for the less fortunate, especially when they are just out-for-themselves.
 
VIBC
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#2531
Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaEmber View Post

So how many people working for $175K per year need overtime to pay the bills?
That's an exception, not the rule.

Well maybe. But if you feel you need a 2000 sf house with 5 bedrooms, 6 bathrooms, a hot tub, outdoor 'rooms', a crew cab truck with 5th wheel plus a 'town car', cabin cruiser/speedboat, ATVs and PWCs for everybody and overseas holidays .....
 
pgs
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#2532
Quote: Originally Posted by VIBC View Post

Well maybe. But if you feel you need a 2000 sf house with 5 bedrooms, 6 bathrooms, a hot tub, outdoor 'rooms', a crew cab truck with 5th wheel plus a 'town car', cabin cruiser/speedboat, ATVs and PWCs for everybody and overseas holidays .....

Those are the things that make the economy go around and around .
 
petros
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#2533
Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaEmber View Post

Why would a job be a "get-it-done" type unless management didn't project properly? Can't blame everything on the weather.

It's how industrial, resource and infrastructure construction and maintenance is done.

24/7/365

If you need an examples pick a project and research the man hours involved then match that to trade pay scales.

Canada has the best tradesmen on the planet.

Too bad 1 Million of them aren't practicing their craft thanks to an immature Govt.
Last edited by petros; Dec 29th, 2019 at 08:04 PM..
 
taxslave
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#2534
Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaEmber View Post

$135 K is still high pay even for heavy machine operators. https://www.payscale.com/research/CA...or/Hourly_Rate
Here's more info: https://www.payscale.com/research/CA...on/Hourly_Rate

I wouldn't get out of bed for those rates. $40 + and bennies for operators. Couple of bucks more for trades.
 
taxslave
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#2535
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Factor in camp wages and overtime hours and it is not a stretch .

Double on weekends and holidays. Double after 10. Mostly 12 hr shifts and it adds up.
 
petros
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#2536
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

I wouldn't get out of bed for those rates. $40 + and bennies for operators. Couple of bucks more for trades.

$15hr more for fitter/welders and another $150 for their machine.
 
taxslave
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#2537
Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaEmber View Post

So camp wages and overtime are the norm or the exception to the rule? I think the people in the links were referring to normal work weeks.

A normal work week is a minimum of 50 hrs. Anything less is for government workers.and slackers.
 
taxslave
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#2538
Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaEmber View Post

Why would a job be a "get-it-done" type unless management didn't project properly? Can't blame everything on the weather.

Mill shutdowns. Most tradespeople won't go unless there is lots of OT. Even when we were building the Kitamat Smelter and it almost took an act of gawd to get more than 10 hrs we made good money because weekends and holidays are all double time.
 
taxslave
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#2539
Quote: Originally Posted by VIBC View Post

Well maybe. But if you feel you need a 2000 sf house with 5 bedrooms, 6 bathrooms, a hot tub, outdoor 'rooms', a crew cab truck with 5th wheel plus a 'town car', cabin cruiser/speedboat, ATVs and PWCs for everybody and overseas holidays .....

Pretty much the essentials of life. There has to to be more to life than just surviving.
 
petros
#2540
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Mill shutdowns. Most tradespeople won't go unless there is lots of OT. Even when we were building the Kitamat Smelter and it almost took an act of gawd to get more than 10 hrs we made good money because weekends and holidays are all double time.

No triple on Sunday?
 
NZDoug
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#2541
Edible plastic is the solution,
Shopping bag soup.
Wma,ha ha !
 
taxslave
+1
#2542
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

No triple on Sunday?

Never. Never get triple at any time. Although depending on how you view it stats could be considered triple time, just doesn't show that way on pay stubs. We get a percentage on every cheque for stats an another for holidays.
 
Cliffy
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#2543
 
Walter
#2544
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Prog shit.
 
petros
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#2545
Cliff obviously has never ridden a train.

Most of the banner ads are public service or cultural event promos.
 
taxslave
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#2546
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

And yet capitalism is simply supplying the mostly socialist workers with the things they want. No market, no capitalist. So who is creating the problem?
 
Cliffy
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#2547
 
Walter
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#2548
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Prog shit.
 
VIBC
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#2549
Capitalist and socialist 'systems' have consequences both desirable and undesirable for the individuals they affect. Sadly most people are unwilling to admit this, but make a religion of a single ideology - particularly if they are personally advantaged by it.
 
pgs
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#2550
Quote: Originally Posted by VIBC View Post

Capitalist and socialist 'systems' have consequences both desirable and undesirable for the individuals they affect. Sadly most people are unwilling to admit this, but make a religion of a single ideology - particularly if they are personally advantaged by it.

Capitalism allows for upward mobility .
 

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