Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix
A Canadian plane shot down? Is that from 1970? Why, yes it is.
UN Flight 51 was Buffalo 461's last flight designation, for a routine scheduled supply trip from Ismailia
, Syria. Five crew members and four military passengers were on board when the aircraft took off from Beirut International Airport
after a stopover.
The First Officer
Keith Mirau, received clearance to enter Syrian airspace from the Damascas air traffic control centre at 0945 GMT
. Shortly after crossing from Lebanon
into Syria the plane was hit by a surface-to-air missile launched from a Syrian airfield. Moments later two more missiles struck and destroyed the plane, scattering wreckage across a field near the Syrian town of Ad Dimas
. All nine on board were killed.
The Canadian Department of National Defence
launched a board of Inquiry
to investigate the loss of Buffalo 461. The board was led by LCol J.A. McCann who was unable to determine if the missile attack was accidental or done intentionally to put pressure on the United Nations
to curtail Israeli flights over Syrian airspace.
The flight from Beirut to Ismailia proceeded normally. After taking off from Ismailia, passage through Lebanon was also normal and at 0945GMT, UN Flight 51 first contacted Damascus air traffic control center (ATCC). Five minutes later, after receiving clearance to Damascus VOR, the last recorded transmission from Flight 51 to Damascus ATCC reportedly by Captain Mirau, was heard “Roger we are cleared to Damascus VOR to maintain 8000 cross Mike Echo Zulu at 10000 or above.”
As the Buffalo crossed into Syria at 11000’ ASL (about 6000’ above ground level), a surface to air missile was fired at the Buffalo from a Syrian airfield located 14 miles from the Lebanese border. Shortly after, the Buffalo was seen in a controlled descent smoking from the tail. A couple of minutes after the first missile attack, when the Buffalo was 8 miles into Syrian airspace and less than 1000’ above ground level, two more missiles were fired at the Buffalo. The first appeared to strike the left wing causing it to burn and the descent to increase. Just above the ground, the last missile hit the cabin area and destroyed the aircraft, scattering wreckage near the town of Ad Dimas in Syria, and killing all nine passengers and crew on board.
Each missile is launched by 4 solid-fueled
strap-on rocket boosters
After they burn out and drop away (between 3 and 5.1 seconds from launch) it fires a 5D67 liquid fueled sustainer rocket engine (for 51–150 seconds) which burns a fuel called TG-02 Samin (50% xylidine
and 50% triethylamine
), oxidized by an agent called AK-27P Melange (red fuming nitric acid
enriched with nitrogen oxides, phosphoric acid and hydrofluoric acid).
Maximum range is between 150 km (81 nmi) and 300 km (160 nmi), depending on the model.
The missile uses radio illumination mid-course correction to fly towards the target with a terminal semi-active radar homing
phase. Maximum target speed is around Mach
4. Effective altitude is 300 m (980 ft) to 20,000 m (66,000 ft) for early models and up to 35,000 m (115,000 ft) for later models. The warhead is either 217 kg (478 lb) high-explosive fragmentation (16,000 × 2 g fragmentation pellets and 21,000 × 3.5 g pellets) triggered by radar proximity fuse or command signal, or a 25 kt
warhead triggered by command signal only. Each missile weighs around 7,108 kg (15,670 lb) at takeoff.
The system utilises radio semi active guidance
throughout the missile's flight, which is far more accurate at long range than the command guidance method used by the earlier S-75 Dvina
and other missiles. The existence of an optional terminal passive radar homing mode for use against AEW
aircraft remains unconfirmed. Peak missile speed is around Mach
8 and the single-shot kill probability
is quoted as 0.85, presumably against a high altitude bomber-type target.[
A few minutes after passing Beirut, Captain Mirau made the compulsory position report to Beirut Air Traffic Control over the Dakweh Beacon in Lebanon at 12:46 p.m. local time, just before crossing the Syrian border. The ancient city of Damascus would have just been coming into view over the snub nose of the Buffalo. Captain Mirau promptly changed to Damascus ATC and repeated the routine position report. A few minutes later, the aircraft crew read back the Damascus approach clearance.
Six minutes later and 11,000 feet below them, an employee of the American Embassy in Damascus was returning from days off in Beirut. He was driving east along the Beirut-Damascus highway when, to his astonishment, a missile passed over him traveling in the opposite direction. He distinctly recalled seeing a second stage of the missile ignite, said he jammed on his brakes, stopped, leapt out his car and tried to visually follow the missile’s trajectory.
“At that time I noticed a silver-coloured plane flying in the air and it seemed to be smoking from the tail,” he said.
He said that he did not see an explosion or pieces falling off the aircraft. He probably witnessed a glancing blow or a near-miss by either a proximity or commanded detonation by a Soviet-made SA-2 surface-to-air missile (SAM).
It is impossible to imagine the frantic pandemonium going on the inside the Buffalo as white-hot, flesh-tearing, shrapnel ripped through it. Why did they not broadcast a distress call? It could be they did. Investigators revealed evidence that the Syrians had erased two-and-a half-minutes of conversation from the ATC communication tapes, and the Buffalo carried no flight data or cockpit voice recorders.
“Roger we are cleared to Damascus VOR to maintain 8000 cross Mike Echo Zulu at 10,000 or above.
This was the last transmission heard from UN flight 51. Or was it? Six minutes later and 11,000 ft below them, an employee of the American Embassy in Damascus was returning from days off in Beirut. He was casually driving along the Beirut-Damascus highway at a leisurely 55 mph due east when, to his astonishment, a missile passed over him traveling in the opposite direction. He distinctly recalls seeing a second stage of the missile ignite, said he jammed on his brakes, stopped, leapt out his car and tried to visually follow the missile’s trajectory.
He stated, “At that time I noticed a silver coloured plane flying in the air and it seemed to be smoking from the tail.”
He said that he did not see an explosion or pieces falling off the aircraft. He had probably witnessed a glancing blow, or a near-miss by either a proximity or commanded detonation by a Soviet-made surface-to-air SA 2 missile.
Purpose-built as a high altitude interception missile, the SA 2 was not particularly accurate at 11,000 ft. It did not have to be. Its warhead contained 450 lbs of high explosive (HE) fragmentation projectiles with a lethal radius of 215 ft. Even a near miss could have done severe damage to UN 51.
Had the crew seen the threat coming... perhaps the launch flash of the missile to the east of them, or its tell tale smoke trail?
Had they taken evasive action? According to a retired Buffalo pilot and resident of St. Catharines, Ontario, “Buffalo crews often talked, over a few beers, about how to evade a SAM attack, turning into the sun or whatever but we all agreed it was probably futile.”
Except that an outrageous attempt to make use of one of the Buffalo’s STOL capability just might work. Did Foster try it? The props were found against the stops in the STOL mode.
It is impossible to imagine the frantic pandemonium going on the inside the Buffalo as white-hot, flesh-tearing, shrapnel ripped through it. Had the rudder and elevator control cables in the vulnerable T-tail been severed or damaged? Were they on fire? After the first hit, it was seen trailing black smoke.
Why didn’t they broadcast a distress call? It could be they did since investigators revealed evidence that the Syrians had clumsily erased two-and-a half-minutes of conversation from the ATC communication tapes.
The truth of some of the mystifying questions will never be known. The Buffalo carried no flight data or cockpit voice recorders.
Back on the ground the most credible of the witnesses, the American, was horrified to see a second missile strike the Buffalo in the left wing area approximately a minute to a minute-and-a-half later. This time he said, “it bucked and it shook and I saw pieces fall.” There was no mistake it was a direct hit. The left wing was on fire and the descent attitude had suddenly increased to a steep dive.
Seconds later a third missile struck the burning hulk in the cockpit area at about 500 ft above the ground. The American witness explained, “The plane blew apart and she took a nose dive from what was left of it and it went straight into the ground.”
A lumbering, defenseless Buffalo was no challenge for the last two, deadly accurate SA6 SAMs, capable of acquiring fast manoeuvring targets from 300-69,000 ft each with a lethal war head containing 135 lbs of fragmentation HE.
I assume all that shows that the attack was from an aircraft using air to air missiles and an Israeli F-4 (I think) was in the area. That was from a link I posted about a week ago when the topic surfaced.
It was shot down by 3 anti-aircraft missiles based in Syria. It took off from Beirut and was to land at Damascus. At no point did it enter Israeli airspace.
So the story goes and not one word has changed. Back then the Gulf of Tomkin was still a fact rather than a false flag. This is pretty close to the time when an assassination took place that was also blamed on Syria. If you like I think I can show that it was the first drone strike using a certain type of munition. One that cooks you rather than scattering you to all the 4 corners of the wind. Your call at the moment.
If the Israelis had shot it down then they were invading Syrian airspace and I have grave doubts about that since it would have been major news.
They were on course and were expected. Storks taking out a new F035 had to be dragged out of them. They and their friends publish lies all the time. Another thread perhaps can explore that trend. You start it, I have to do my nails.
And there ain't no way the Israelis could have shot the plane down from Israeli airspace using air-to-air ordinance even if the IAF was right on the border.
No. It was widely known who it was and it flew over Israel to get to Beirut in the first place.
But it's funny how you ignore the Palestinian leadership's crimes. Coordinating and launching attacks from civilian and public infrastructure is a war crime and a crime against humanity. It's exactly the same thing as using human shields.
I see nothing funny about any needless death. Feel free to post something in the Muslim hate thread and I'll see if there is another version or some additional info. I seem to get lucky in that area more often than not.
I always learn something from a thread, let's see if it happens to you also