Outdoors schools. Why not?


View Poll Results: Good idea?
Yes 6 75.00%
No 1 12.50%
My brain hurts thinking about it. 1 12.50%
Voters: 8. You may not vote on this poll

Angstrom
+1
#1
Star Dispatches: Why the modern classroom is moving outside | Toronto Star

Why? Because there’s mounting evidence that nature enhances children’s health, learning and confidence while cutting down on behavioural issues.




Imagine a class room that's ever changing.
Never at the same place twice in the same year.
I want to go back to school now.


Could money be saved? With smaller or zero building cost?
Planet earth as your class room. There is a idea worth exploring.
 
WLDB
+1
#2
It could work on nice days. It probably wouldnt be too fun in rain or snow though.
 
Sal
#3
I voted yes because there weren't enough choices...you need to do both, in Canada the weather dictates
 
Angstrom
#4
Quote: Originally Posted by WLDB View Post

It could work on nice days. It probably wouldnt be too fun in rain or snow though.

Would sure build strong character into the little rascals though.
But ya. Extreme weather is out of the question.

I also see them visiting tall buildings, banks etc.... The way I envisioned it, is, not always in the forest.. Could have some urban periods.
Lots to learn everywhere outside.

Quote: Originally Posted by Sal View Post

I voted yes because there weren't enough choices...you need to do both, in Canada the weather dictates

I was trying to keep it simple. And we can discuss the complications and potential ways of managing it in the thread.

The poll is to see if there is at least political will to make it happen In the first place, here in Canada.
 
Sal
+1
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by Angstrom View Post

Would sure build strong character into the little rascals though.
But ya. Extreme weather is out of the question.

I also see them visiting tall buildings, banks etc.... The way I envisioned it, is, not always in the forest.. Could have some urban periods.
Lots to learn everywhere outside.



I was trying to keep it simple. And we can discuss the complications and potential ways of managing it in the thread.

The poll is to see if there is at least political will to make it happen In the first place, here in Canada.

since they say we are already doing it I think there is. I also think that when they said it helps with behavioral issues that is an important consideration. Kids need to run and explore and get rid of energy...tiny little desks don't allow for that
 
gerryh
#6
and how small will the class have to be for the teacher to be able to keep track of the kids under her charge out in the woods?
 
darkbeaver
+2
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh View Post

and how small will the class have to be for the teacher to be able to keep track of the kids under her charge out in the woods?

You advance the perceived problem of supervision when it is already fact that a proper natural education is most likely to occur under the least supervision. Those students that fail to return from forestry class are simply and properly given a failing grade for truancy.
 
L Gilbert
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

You advance the perceived problem of supervision when it is already fact that a proper natural education is most likely to occur under the least supervision. Those students that fail to return from forestry class are simply and properly given a failing grade for truancy.

Bears, yotes, cougars, etc. wouldn't care about grades anyways.
 
darkbeaver
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#9  Top Rated Post
Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

Bears, yotes, cougars, etc. wouldn't care about grades anyways.

Exactly, the student teacher ratio would be organically adjusted to optimum. Where do we apply for grants Dr Gibson?
 
Angstrom
+1
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

You advance the perceived problem of supervision when it is already fact that a proper natural education is most likely to occur under the least supervision. Those students that fail to return from forestry class are simply and properly given a failing grade for truancy.


Let nature do the grading.
Survival.


Good post.. It made me laugh.

Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

Bears, yotes, cougars, etc.

They would be the test.
 
Sal
+1
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

You advance the perceived problem of supervision when it is already fact that a proper natural education is most likely to occur under the least supervision. Those students that fail to return from forestry class are simply and properly given a failing grade for truancy.

besides the wolves might do a better job of raising some of them
 
Angstrom
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by Sal View Post

besides the wolves might do a better job of raising some of them



You guys are on a roll .....

Better then a crack addicted mother ya. Lol

Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh View Post

and how small will the class have to be for the teacher to be able to keep track of the kids under her charge out in the woods?

You think they would need more teachers to supervise?
 
gerryh
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by Angstrom View Post



You guys are on a roll .....

Better then a crack addicted mother ya. Lol



You think they would need more teachers to supervise?


I obviously mistook this thread to be serious rather than a joke or a troll. My mistake. Carry on.
 
Cliffy
+1
#14
Life is a much better teacher than a classroom. 12 years is way too much time to waste a child's life sitting learning stuff they could learn in a few years. Teach them the basics (like grade 1 & 2) then let life do the teaching. If they need specialized training for a future career, then 11 & 12 stuff would be sufficient. I've always said, school is there to train worker drones for the factories. As George Carlin said, teach them just enough so they are smart enough to run the machines but not smart enough to be capable of critical thought.
 
gerryh
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Life is a much better teacher than a classroom. 12 years is way too much time to waste a child's life sitting learning stuff they could learn in a few years. Teach them the basics (like grade 1 & 2) then let life do the teaching. If they need specialized training for a future career, then 11 & 12 stuff would be sufficient. I've always said, school is there to train worker drones for the factories. As George Carlin said, teach them just enough so they are smart enough to run the machines but not smart enough to be capable of critical thought.


Ya gotta remember, Carlin was a comedian first and foremost. Somethings he was dead on, other things...well.... he was a comedian first and foremost.
 
Cliffy
+1
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh View Post

Ya gotta remember, Carlin was a comedian first and foremost. Somethings he was dead on, other things...well.... he was a comedian first and foremost.

He was also an astute social commentator.
 
gerryh
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

He was also an astute social commentator.


No, he was a comedian that people, that were to lazy to think for themselves, elevated to an "astute social commentator".
 
WLDB
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh View Post

No, he was a comedian that people, that were to lazy to think for themselves, elevated to an "astute social commentator".

If you go watch some interviews of him or shows he was a guest on you can see him getting pretty serious and arguing about major issues. He wasnt trying to be funny all the time.

Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Life is a much better teacher than a classroom. 12 years is way too much time to waste a child's life sitting learning stuff they could learn in a few years. Teach them the basics (like grade 1 & 2) then let life do the teaching. If they need specialized training for a future career, then 11 & 12 stuff would be sufficient. I've always said, school is there to train worker drones for the factories. As George Carlin said, teach them just enough so they are smart enough to run the machines but not smart enough to be capable of critical thought.

Id love to see that model at least tried. I found childhood to be incredibly tedious. I know a fair number of people who would love to do it again, not me.
 
darkbeaver
+1
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by WLDB View Post

Id love to see that model at least tried. I found childhood to be incredibly tedious. I know a fair number of people who would love to do it again, not me.

That tediousness was from the first engineered into the public school systems by Prussians. It was to break the will on the wheel of rote.
A graduate slave stays a slave for life. That conditioning is the primary reason for the dismal human condition today. To be broken in a wooden desk seven hours a day is cruel and destructive beyond understanding to children. Anyway you made it out alive I guess.

Quote: Originally Posted by Angstrom View Post


Let nature do the grading.
Survival.


Good post.. It made me laugh.



They would be the test.

All joking aside, nature will do the grading in every case despite our best efforts to insulate children from nature. Of course you know that life is and was always a test of fitness in every way so in a very real sense, as we see today, you cannot pass a test you have not undertaken, and in life you do not advance unless you pass. How many kids know how to operate the TV at seven or eight but don,t have a clue where food comes from?
 
Sal
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

All joking aside, nature will do the grading in every case despite our best efforts to insulate children from nature. Of course you know that life is and was always a test of fitness in every way so in a very real sense, as we see today, you cannot pass a test you have not undertaken, and in life you do not advance unless you pass. How many kids know how to operate the TV at seven or eight but don,t have a clue where food comes from?

yeah they think it comes from a grocery store
 
Cliffy
+1
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by Sal View Post

yeah they think it comes from a grocery store

Wasn't it just a year or so ago that there was an announcement that some lab was growing meat in a petri dish in a lab? Soon animals will become obsolete and kids won't have to know the terrifying details of their food supply.
 
L Gilbert
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Wasn't it just a year or so ago that there was an announcement that some lab was growing meat in a petri dish in a lab?

Meet 'Schmeat': Lab-grown meat hits the grill this month - Technology & Science - CBC News
Quote:

Soon animals will become obsolete and kids won't have to know the terrifying details of their food supply.

Not that many people know it now.
 
Angstrom
+1
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh View Post

I obviously mistook this thread to be serious rather than a joke or a troll. My mistake. Carry on.

Maybe its like, we can have a little of both happening at the same time.
Things aren't always cut into stone and so, they shouldn't be.

Sometimes it's best to roll with it and see where it leads you.
Your contribution will shape it in the direction you wish it to go.
But like a team sport, forums tend to have a mind of there own.

And maybe that's one of the reasons they can be so enjoyable,
And frustrating.
 
WLDB
+1
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by Angstrom View Post

Maybe its like, we can have a little of both happening at the same time.
Things aren't always cut into stone and so, they shouldn't be.

They kind of did when I was in school. Around grades 1-3 we did do a few classes outside and did go into the bush (right beside the school) to learn about trees and animals.

It happened a few times in high school too but usually only when the AC was dead.

Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

Meet 'Schmeat': Lab-grown meat hits the grill this month - Technology & Science - CBC News Not that many people know it now.

Everyone in a rural area would know. There is usually farmers or hunters or both there.
 
Angstrom
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by WLDB View Post



Id love to see that model at least tried. I found childhood to be incredibly tedious. I know a fair number of people who would love to do it again, not me.

Not with the current schooling method no... It's ridiculousness to spend so many years learning nothing.
Now out in the open forest and always moving to new places. That would be a awesome childhood education.


I'd want to start over in that case.
 
Sal
#26
I remember us going on a camp-out to the Pinery Provincial Park in grade 8. We learned how to measure the height of a tree from a pencil. How to tell tree age and how to identify various flora and fauna. We also had a ton of fun.

In today's world due to all kinds of liability it would be hard to take grade 8's into that type of environment and camp out for several nights.
 
Angstrom
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

Meet 'Schmeat': Lab-grown meat hits the grill this month - Technology & Science - CBC News Not that many people know it now.

My 9 year old daughter had a friend over the other day.
She didn't know where the chicken meat came from...

I asked her why do you think they call it chicken?
She said, I don't know.

Now that's terribly wrong to me.
How can a 9 year old be missing such critically important information about her everyday life?
 
gerryh
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by Angstrom View Post

My 9 year old daughter had a friend over the other day.
She didn't know where the chicken meat came from...

I asked her why do you think they call it chicken?
She said, I don't know.

Now that's terribly wrong to me.
How can a 9 year old be missing such critically important information about her everyday life?


ask her parents why she doesn't know.
 
Angstrom
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh View Post

ask her parents why she doesn't know.

Well she knows now

She has IPod, Ipad, 3DS, the whole works... Totally spoiled.
Both parents have good paying full time jobs......

How do you ask a question like that without feeling like I'm insulting their parenting job?
May as well just ask them why there doing such a piss poor job educating their kid.
 

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