USA's Unfinished Wars


pgs
Free Thinker
#91
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze View Post


Turkey launches offensive against U.S.-allied Kurdish forces in Syria



Turkish airstrikes and shelling targeted Syrian Kurdish fighters who have played a central role in aiding the U.S.-led battle against the Islamic State militant group.

source: WAPO

Would you be happy if American air craft splashed the Turkish force ?
 
Hoid
#92
Splashed?

That's some good lingo
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
+1
#93
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Would you be happy if American air craft splashed the Turkish force ?

this is not a "happy" situation. People are going to die. The Kirds had a deal with the US........that provided some degree of support and protection. This BETRAYAL is not going down well around many nations.....who are watching Trump crazy behavior get worse. This says again.......that the US cannot be trusted . It is astonishing that the Turkish leader had that much influence on Trump................ then again...
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#94
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze View Post

this is not a "happy" situation. People are going to die. The Kirds had a deal with the US........that provided some degree of support and protection. This BETRAYAL is not going down well around many nations.....who are watching Trump crazy behavior get worse. This says again.......that the US cannot be trusted . It is astonishing that the Turkish leader had that much influence on Trump................ then again...

So the Americans should have provided air Defense ?
 
Curious Cdn
No Party Affiliation
#95
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

So the Americans should have provided air Defense ?

... and shoot down their Turkish NATO allies?
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
#96
Tulsi Gabbard


1 2 h r s ·




Trump is not removing our troops from Syria. He’s just moving them from the northern Syrian border, allowing Turkey to invade Syria and slaughter the Kurds. He lied to the Kurds, promising them our support while simultaneously preventing them from reconciling with the Syrian government and coordinating a common defense against the Turkish invasion.
In short, the impending slaughter and ethnic cleansing of the Kurds in northern Syria by Turkey is happening because Trump refuses to end our efforts to overthrow the Syrian government. The Kurds are just another casualty of this regime change war which is supported by war-mongering Republicans, Democrats, and the corporate media.
The hypocrisy of warmongers like Nikki Haley, Senator Graham and others who have demanded that we continue our regime change war in Syria, who are now crying crocodile tears for the Kurds, is nauseating. Starving the Syrian people through draconian sanctions, strengthening terrorists like AQ and ISIS, wasting billions of dollars, creating a refugee crisis, and now this impending genocide and ethnic cleansing of the Kurds — the warmongers consider these costs to be a small price to pay in their effort to change the Syrian regime.
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#97
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Tulsi Gabbard


1 2 h r s ·




Trump is not removing our troops from Syria. He’s just moving them from the northern Syrian border, allowing Turkey to invade Syria and slaughter the Kurds. He lied to the Kurds, promising them our support while simultaneously preventing them from reconciling with the Syrian government and coordinating a common defense against the Turkish invasion.
In short, the impending slaughter and ethnic cleansing of the Kurds in northern Syria by Turkey is happening because Trump refuses to end our efforts to overthrow the Syrian government. The Kurds are just another casualty of this regime change war which is supported by war-mongering Republicans, Democrats, and the corporate media.
The hypocrisy of warmongers like Nikki Haley, Senator Graham and others who have demanded that we continue our regime change war in Syria, who are now crying crocodile tears for the Kurds, is nauseating. Starving the Syrian people through draconian sanctions, strengthening terrorists like AQ and ISIS, wasting billions of dollars, creating a refugee crisis, and now this impending genocide and ethnic cleansing of the Kurds — the warmongers consider these costs to be a small price to pay in their effort to change the Syrian regime.

So should they stay or should they go . If they stay there will be trouble , if they go it will be double . Should they stay or should they go ?
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
+1
#98
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Maybe, the Kurds refused to spy on Biden for him and he's punishing them, instead.
It is becoming crystal clear that the United States can no longer be trusted to be a steadfast ally.
Wait for Trump to tear up NORAD, next.

LOL, we already proved that biden thing is the opposite of what you say ( LOL, so much for actual quotes and transcripts) and you know that MR commie nazi globalist pedo, but you just keep licking the same ol' tired weener day after day.

On full display as well.

AS far as allowing the Kurds to invade Syria...well that's what YOU actually stand for.
LOL, Megaphonies are so imperialistically silly.


Operation Peace Spring: Turkish forces amass at Syrian border
Sage Thinker
53 minutes ago
When the biggest cheer leaders for Kurds are Netanyahu and Lindsay Graham you know Turkey is in the right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3UiAbjFmzU

Don't tell sleepies there is a conspiracy!!!
Last edited by Danbones; Oct 10th, 2019 at 08:29 AM..
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
#99
Trump defends abandoning the Kurds by saying they didn't help the US in WWII




  • President Donald Trump on Wednesday continued to defend his decision to withdraw US troops from northeastern Syria, abandoning Kurdish forces in the region, by saying the Kurds did not help the US during World War II.
  • "They didn't help us in the Second World War; they didn't help us with Normandy," Trump said of the Kurds, who played a vital role in the US-led campaign against ISIS.
  • And when asked by reporters whether he felt the Syria retreat and treatment of the Kurds sent a poor message to other potential US allies, Trump said, "Alliances are very easy."
  • Trump's comments came hours after Turkey launched a military operation against the formerly US-backed Kurdish forces in Syria.
President Donald Trump on Wednesday defended his decision to abandon the Kurds to a Turkish military incursion in Syria by saying they didn't help the US during World War II.
This came amid reports that Turkish ground troops were crossing the border into Syria after air strikes that began earlier in the day.
"They didn't help us in the Second World War; they didn't help us with Normandy," Trump said of the Kurds. He added, "With all of that being said, we like the Kurds." The Kurdistan region, which stretches across the borders of Iraq, Syria, Turkey, Iran, and Armenia, is roughly 4,000 kilometres (2,500 miles) from Normandy, France. The Kurds are a distinct ethnic group — with an estimated population between 25 to 35 million — that have never had a permanent or official nation state.
The Trump administration on Sunday abruptly announced the US was withdrawing troops stationed in northeastern Syria ahead of a Turkish operation.
The move has been broadly condemned in Washington, including by top congressional Republicans and former Trump administration officials, as many feel Trump paved the way for Turkey to go after key US allies.
The Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) bore the brunt of the US-led campaign against ISIS, losing about 11,000 fighters in the process.
Ahead of the Trump administration's announcement, Kurdish forces had recently dismantled defensive positions along the Turkey-Syria border under assurances from the US it would not allow a Turkish assault. The SDF described Trump's decision to withdraw troops as a "stab in the back" and made clear it felt betrayed by the US.



More: https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...allies-2019-10
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
+1
#100

Trump��s Syria decision tests GOP support amid impeachment inquiry



Instead of enjoying uncontested Republican support as he plunges into a constitutional showdown and prepares for a bruising reelection campaign, President Trump is now fighting on two fronts within his own party.

source: WAPO

He brought all of this on himself...........

Does anyone know his REAL motive to withdraw those limited number of troops

Seems his conversation with the Turkish leader ( who had been talking to Putin before this phone call)........ triggered this decision. He might have been promised something.....but I speculate ..
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
+1
#101
30 to 40% of Kurdish military forces are women freedom fighters. Many of the 11000 Kurds killed fighting ISIS for the American Government are women. These women warriors do not allow themselves to be taken prisoner by ISIS forces. ISIS has [alleged] Koran based rules of war that allow them to enslave and/or rape prisoners of war. For these women warriors it is better to die fighting then to be captured and repeatedly raped by ISIS soldiers before being executed. That is one of the reasons why they have been some of the fiercest Kurdish fighters. They will never surrender while still alive. These women are some of the people now being abandoned by the current American president as he attempts to curry favor with both Russia and Turkey.






Females on the Frontline





Kurdish women have always played an important role defending their country.



History describes women fighting alongside men as well as leading armies as early as 605 BC. With the worldwide coverage of the war against ISIS, Kurdish female fighters have emerged as popular figures for their effectiveness and bravery in battle. Leading by example, they have also inspired millions of people around the world to stand up for women’s equality.
To celebrate Women's History Month this March, please join us in thanking these women for their strength, breaking gender norms, and fighting for freedom and equal opportunity.


More: https://femalesonthefrontline.org
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#102
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

30 to 40% of Kurdish military forces are women freedom fighters. Many of the 11000 Kurds killed fighting ISIS for the American Government are women. These women warriors do not allow themselves to be taken prisoner by ISIS forces. ISIS has [alleged] Koran based rules of war that allow them to enslave and/or rape prisoners of war. For these women warriors it is better to die fighting then to be captured and repeatedly raped by ISIS soldiers before being executed. That is one of the reasons why they have been some of the fiercest Kurdish fighters. They will never surrender while still alive. These women are some of the people now being abandoned by the current American president as he attempts to curry favor with both Russia and Turkey.






Females on the Frontline





Kurdish women have always played an important role defending their country.



History describes women fighting alongside men as well as leading armies as early as 605 BC. With the worldwide coverage of the war against ISIS, Kurdish female fighters have emerged as popular figures for their effectiveness and bravery in battle. Leading by example, they have also inspired millions of people around the world to stand up for women’s equality.
To celebrate Women's History Month this March, please join us in thanking these women for their strength, breaking gender norms, and fighting for freedom and equal opportunity.


More: https://femalesonthefrontline.org

Wonderful . But do you really care ?
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#103
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Wonderful . But do you really care ?

Don't YOU???
 
pgs
Free Thinker
+1
#104
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze View Post

Don't YOU???

No , why should I ? according to the article it has been going on since 605 BC .
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#105
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

No , why should I ? according to the article it has been going on since 605 BC .

In case you haven’t noticed we have women in our armed forces , heck in America they even have women veterans sitting in congress and a presidential contender is a women . Ya gets what you ask for .
 
Curious Cdn
No Party Affiliation
#106
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

In case you haven’t noticed we have women in our armed forces , heck in America they even have women veterans sitting in congress and a presidential contender is a women . Ya gets what you ask for .

Do you spit on them too, pigs?
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
#107



 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#108
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze View Post

Of course not. It is HOW Donald is doing it. He is doing it impulsively........and with little consideration for the negative consequences the departure will have. Each situation is different and has to be evaluated on its own merit. The problem is that trump dose not listen to anyone but his own "instincts" He does not operate on logic and facts but relies on his" instincts"...........as if they are a barometer for good judgement .or fact based They are NOT....... they are just primal emotions........."fight or flight" mechanisms.

Yeah of course not, a full withdrawal from the Middle East is a lot different than 10,000 troops still in Iraq, in case of an uprising. smh
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#109
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Trump defends abandoning the Kurds by saying they didn't help the US in WWII

  • President Donald Trump on Wednesday continued to defend his decision to withdraw US troops from northeastern Syria, abandoning Kurdish forces in the region, by saying the Kurds did not help the US during World War II.
  • "They didn't help us in the Second World War; they didn't help us with Normandy," Trump said of the Kurds, who played a vital role in the US-led campaign against ISIS.
  • And when asked by reporters whether he felt the Syria retreat and treatment of the Kurds sent a poor message to other potential US allies, Trump said, "Alliances are very easy."
  • Trump's comments came hours after Turkey launched a military operation against the formerly US-backed Kurdish forces in Syria.
President Donald Trump on Wednesday defended his decision to abandon the Kurds to a Turkish military incursion in Syria by saying they didn't help the US during World War II.
This came amid reports that Turkish ground troops were crossing the border into Syria after air strikes that began earlier in the day.
"They didn't help us in the Second World War; they didn't help us with Normandy," Trump said of the Kurds. He added, "With all of that being said, we like the Kurds." The Kurdistan region, which stretches across the borders of Iraq, Syria, Turkey, Iran, and Armenia, is roughly 4,000 kilometres (2,500 miles) from Normandy, France. The Kurds are a distinct ethnic group — with an estimated population between 25 to 35 million — that have never had a permanent or official nation state.
The Trump administration on Sunday abruptly announced the US was withdrawing troops stationed in northeastern Syria ahead of a Turkish operation.
The move has been broadly condemned in Washington, including by top congressional Republicans and former Trump administration officials, as many feel Trump paved the way for Turkey to go after key US allies.
The Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) bore the brunt of the US-led campaign against ISIS, losing about 11,000 fighters in the process.
Ahead of the Trump administration's announcement, Kurdish forces had recently dismantled defensive positions along the Turkey-Syria border under assurances from the US it would not allow a Turkish assault. The SDF described Trump's decision to withdraw troops as a "stab in the back" and made clear it felt betrayed by the US.
More: https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...allies-2019-10

Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze View Post


Trump��s Syria decision tests GOP support amid impeachment inquiry

Instead of enjoying uncontested Republican support as he plunges into a constitutional showdown and prepares for a bruising reelection campaign, President Trump is now fighting on two fronts within his own party.
source: WAPO
He brought all of this on himself...........
Does anyone know his REAL motive to withdraw those limited number of troops
Seems his conversation with the Turkish leader ( who had been talking to Putin before this phone call)........ triggered this decision. He might have been promised something.....but I speculate ..

Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

30 to 40% of Kurdish military forces are women freedom fighters. Many of the 11000 Kurds killed fighting ISIS for the American Government are women. These women warriors do not allow themselves to be taken prisoner by ISIS forces. ISIS has [alleged] Koran based rules of war that allow them to enslave and/or rape prisoners of war. For these women warriors it is better to die fighting then to be captured and repeatedly raped by ISIS soldiers before being executed. That is one of the reasons why they have been some of the fiercest Kurdish fighters. They will never surrender while still alive. These women are some of the people now being abandoned by the current American president as he attempts to curry favor with both Russia and Turkey.

Females on the Frontline
Kurdish women have always played an important role defending their country.
History describes women fighting alongside men as well as leading armies as early as 605 BC. With the worldwide coverage of the war against ISIS, Kurdish female fighters have emerged as popular figures for their effectiveness and bravery in battle. Leading by example, they have also inspired millions of people around the world to stand up for women’s equality.
To celebrate Women's History Month this March, please join us in thanking these women for their strength, breaking gender norms, and fighting for freedom and equal opportunity.
More: https://femalesonthefrontline.org

Don't you 2 have this backwards didn't the US support the Kurds against ISIS, It wasn't the US's war the were just partly responsible for it and came back to support them.
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
#110
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Don't you 2 have this backwards didn't the US support the Kurds against ISIS, It wasn't the US's war the were just partly responsible for it and came back to support them.

The US of Aggression financed the whole regime change in Syria, supplied arms, trained insurgents. They are totally responsible for the whole debacle. I bet you have no idea why.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#111
Because Obama pulled out and wanted to remove Assad by proxy, why what do you think?
 
Curious Cdn
No Party Affiliation
#112
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Because Obama pulled out and wanted to remove Assad by proxy, why what do you think?

Obama didn't pull out of Syria. The Americans weren't in Syria, back then.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#113
Nope they weren't in the ME anywhere, just Afghanistan, but they wanted Assad gone
 
Curious Cdn
No Party Affiliation
#114
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Nope they weren't in the ME anywhere, just Afghanistan, but they wanted Assad gone

Afghanistan, Iraq, Qatar, The Emirates, Dubai, Diego Garcia ... but not Syria.
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#115
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Do you spit on them too, pigs?

No just losers like you . If I was standing beside you in the urinal I would purposely piss on your shoes .
 
Curious Cdn
No Party Affiliation
+1
#116
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

No just losers like you . If I was standing beside you in the urinal I would purposely piss on your shoes .

Pigs do things like that.
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#117
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Pigs do things like that.

Only to idiots like you .
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#118
Trump’s False Tweets on Syria

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/10/tr...eets-on-syria/
 
Serryah
Free Thinker
+2
#119
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

... and shoot down their Turkish NATO allies?


IMO for this Turkey should be kicked out of NATO.
 
petros
+1
#120
How many US troops were in Syria coaching Kurds?
 

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