What happened to the disbelievers who died?


selfsame
#1
Today I read these four marvellous ayat .. wonderful .. truly the Quran is unique; there is nothing like this in the other heavenly books

The Quran tells about the outcome of disbelievers who died, and what they said:

When the angels of death captured their souls, the disbelievers startled with terror .. then their repentance and belief at that time was not accepted

See it here:

Quran 34: 51-54, which mean:

[Then God – be glorified – told about the associaters who died, and He said:]
51. If you [Mohammed] could only see [the disbelievers after their death] when they were terrified [by seeing the angels of death a]; when there was no escape b , and they were seized from a place nearby [to their families c .]

52. And [after their death] they said: "We have [now] believed in [the Quran and Mohammed.]"

[So God – be glorified – said:]
But how could they exchange even few words [with Mohammed e ] from a place faraway from him [when they are in the Afterlife and he is still in the World.]

53. The while they disbelieved in [the Quran] before [their death], and even they accused f [the Torah with a false charge] from a place faraway [from them in Mecca when the Torah was in Palestine.]

54. And they were barred from what [belief] they desire [and from accepting it], as it had been dealt before with those [disbelievers g ] of their kind; surely they were in disquieting doubt [about the apostle-hood of Mohammed and the Quran.]
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a Who seized their spirits.

b i.e. We did not miss them, neither could they escape from Our hands and Our authority.

c So that none of their family members could help them or prevent Our angels from seizing their spirits.
It means: their spirits were taken and their bodies were left.

Similar to this in meaning is His saying – be glorified – in the Quran 56: 85, which means:
(And We [: Our angels] are nearer to him than you are, but you see [the angels] not.)
It means: Our angels are nearer, to the dying one, than you are, but you do not see them; because they are spiritual ethereal and you are material.

e To tell him that they believed in him.

f Their accusing the Torah with a false charge, is their saying as in the Quran 28: 48, which means (“The [Torah and the Quran] are only two works of magic which prevailed.”
(And they said also: “We disbelieve in either of them.”) They mean by that: the Torah and the Quran, and Moses and Mohammed.

g Who died before them.

The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.

https://youtu.be/W61q0N4q7xY?t=673
Last edited by selfsame; Mar 12th, 2016 at 03:06 PM..
 
taxslave
+4
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DUDE: THey died. Theyare worm food. End of story.
 
selfsame
#3
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

DUDE: THey died. Theyare worm food. End of story.

Dude: you are one of the disbelievers, and the ayat are applicable to you, read them to know about your destiny.
 
Curious Cdn
+1
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Quote: Originally Posted by selfsame View Post

Dude: you are one of the disbelievers, and the ayat are applicable to you, read them to know about your destiny.

[trills tongue like a savage and fires Kalashnikov into the air]
 
selfsame
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

[trills tongue like a savage and fires Kalashnikov into the air]

A loser, for sure.
The ayat are concerning you and every disbeliever who will die being a disbeliever, then will realize that he only has gone to another spiritual world after this material life.
 
petros
+2
#6
Why worry about death and being chosen?
 
Curious Cdn
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by selfsame View Post

A loser, for sure.
The ayat are concerning you and every disbeliever who will die being a disbeliever, then will realize that he only has gone to another spiritual world after this material life.

Does an Ayat hide under your bed and smell like khat, stale hooka smoke and an unwashed body?
 
selfsame
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Why worry about death and being chosen?

None is chosen concerning death.
The 'chosen' is the 'guided' and even the 'guided' should work righteousness and avoid the disobedience or else he will lose.
The 'guided' is the believer in the new messenger in addition to the old ones, and in the new revelation in addition to the old ones.
 
MHz
#9
They are resurrected at the Great White Throne just like everybody else that isn't alive for the 1,000 year reign.
 
petros
+2
#10
Embrace life and accept death. Spending you life worrying about your judgment in life and in death is a waste of time.
 
selfsame
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Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

They are resurrected at the Great White Throne just like everybody else that isn't alive for the 1,000 year reign.

Nothing like this; these are only illusions, obscurity and misinterpretations.
When man dies: his Doomsday is due and will face his reward: if he is an associater, he will lose and none can save him, even Jesus or Mohammed cannot intercede for the associater and idolater. The matter is by God's hand only.

The 1000 years : righteous believers (: monotheists: devoting themselves to God alone) these will go to Paradise of Refuge 1000 years before others: these others will suffer the punishment when the earth will stop its axial rotation for 1000 years and then Doomsday will occur.
 
MHz
#12
It is exactly like that. The ones who are closest to losing salvation are the ones sent to hell for the 1,000 years. In Isa:65 that is expanded on and they are the ones in the new earth verses so while it is true that there is punishment for some it is followed with eternal forgiveness for those sins. Death covered Adam's sin and it applies to everyone that enters the grave, all their sins are washed away by the time of their judgment at the GWT event.
 
selfsame
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Embrace life and accept death. Spending you life worrying about your judgment in life and in death is a waste of time.

No, it is not any waste of time: it is serious thing: the inevitable fate: man should not ignore it.
 
MHz
#14
Only Mohammad will be silent on that day.


Heb:12:22-25:
But ye are come unto mount Sion,
and unto the city of the living God,
the heavenly Jerusalem,
and to an innumerable company of angels,
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn,
which are written in heaven,
and to God the Judge of all,
and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant,
and to the blood of sprinkling,
that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
See that ye refuse not him that speaketh.
For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth,
much more shall not we escape,
if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
 
talloola
+1
#15
your imagination is running rampant again, take a deep breath, and an aspirin, but don't call me in

the morning.
Last edited by talloola; Mar 12th, 2016 at 03:37 PM..
 
petros
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by selfsame View Post

No, it is not any waste of time: it is serious thing: the inevitable fate: man should not ignore it.

If you embrace life you can only please the source of all life.

That is all that is asked of you by its Creator.
 
selfsame
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

It is exactly like that. The ones who are closest to losing salvation are the ones sent to hell for the 1,000 years. In Isa:65 that is expanded on and they are the ones in the new earth verses so while it is true that there is punishment for some it is followed with eternal forgiveness for those sins. Death covered Adam's sin and it applies to everyone that enters the grave, all their sins are washed away by the time of their judgment at the GWT event.

Do not evade; such words will not avail you anything: unless you believe in the Quran and in Mohammed on whom the Quran was revealed to confirm the original Torah and Gospel and to believe in God alone without associate or son.

Adam's sin was for him, and he repented and was forgiven his disobedience: he was in a garden on a mountain, not in the Garden of heaven.
The grave is nothing more than a garbage bin: in which the torn and decayed material body is buried; the spirit or soul is not in the grave, unless some are imprisoned in the grave as a punishment.
What they call as purgation: it is true for believers: the monotheists with their sins: they will be punished in the afterlife and then will go to the temporary Garden of Refuge. Then on Judgment Day they will go to the Garden or Paradise of Everlasting and Prosperity, according to the forgiveness and mercy of God.

But Jews who keep to their Judaism and Christians who keep to their Christianity even after the coming of Mohammed without believing in him and in the Quran .. they will lose in the Next Life, and their righteous work will not be accepted form them.
 
petros
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Quote:

But Jews who keep to their Judaism and Christians who keep to their Christianity even after the coming of Mohammed without believing in him and in the Quran .. they will lose in the Next Life, and their righteous work will not be accepted form them

No they won't. Moses, Jesus or Mohammad will NOT be judging you on how you embraced life, God will. All three have told you that, why didn't you listen?
 
selfsame
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

If you embrace life you can only please the source of all life.

That is all that is asked of you by its Creator.

These are only general words.
No objection about embracing life; but the Next Life is better and more enduring than the life of the World; so man should work for the Next Life which is his lasting future.
Man after Death

Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

No they won't. Moses, Jesus or Mohammad will NOT be judging you on how you embraced life, God will. All three have told you that, why didn't you listen?

Nice idea: embracing life: why should anyone object? But the Next Life is preferred to this life of the World.

In fact God will not judge people, but Moses, Jesus and Mohammed (and other apostles) will be judges of people on Judgment Day.
God will judge Moses, Jesus and Mohammed, then He will command them to judge their peoples: according to what they applied or neglected of the Torah, Gospel and the Quran.

See here about the Judgment of the prophets and messengers:
Judgment of the prophets and apostles
http://www.quran-ayat.com/man/2.htm#__[_The_Shout_and_the_Crier:]_
See it just before this link of Question 18
http://www.quran-ayat.com/man/2.htm#Question_18
 
damngrumpy
#20
God himself is going to be the great bouncer in the sky? If you don't have the
secret decoder letter you can't get in? I think we should put cell phones in the
coffins and the spirits can call and tell us about all the fun and parties going on.
Ya Right This is pie in the sky when you die the oldest form of snake oil sales
 
petros
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by selfsame View Post

These are only general words.
No objection about embracing life; but the Next Life is better and more enduring than the life of the World; so man should work for the Next Life which is his lasting future.
Man after Death



Nice idea: embracing life: why should anyone object? But the Next Life is preferred to this life of the World.

In fact God will not judge people, but Moses, Jesus and Mohammed (and other apostles) will be judges of people on Judgment Day.
God will judge Moses, Jesus and Mohammed, then He will command them to judge their peoples: according to what they applied or neglected of the Torah, Gospel and the Quran.

See here about the Judgment of the prophets and messengers:
Judgment of the prophets and apostles
http://www.quran-ayat.com/man/2.htm#__[_The_Shout_and_the_Crier:]_
See it just before this link of Question 18
Man after Death

If you didn't embrace life and all life created what makes you think you'll get a second one?
 
selfsame
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy View Post

God himself is going to be the great bouncer in the sky? If you don't have the
secret decoder letter you can't get in? I think we should put cell phones in the
coffins and the spirits can call and tell us about all the fun and parties going on.
Ya Right This is pie in the sky when you die the oldest form of snake oil sales

damngrumpy damned it
Such words will not avail you anything; even if you do not believe, this will be worse for you.

Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

If you didn't embrace life and all life created what makes you think you'll get a second one?

Don't I embrace life?
Quran 62: 6
{Say, [Mohammed]: "O Jews, in case you claim that you are favorite friends of God, apart from other people e , then do long for death if you are truthful [in your claim that God loves you.]"}
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e It means: If you claim that God loves you in preference to other people.

It means: if you are true in your claim that you are preferred by God, then wish and long for death, so that you may go to Paradise in heaven, because according to your claim that God loves you, so He will not punish you, but will reward you in Paradise.
 
damngrumpy
#23
OH God I am shuttering in my boots God is going to get me
Are you suggesting God is a hypocrite? God gave us free will
remember? It is not free will if he is going to punish you for
not doing what he commands he gave you free will. He
gave away his power to free will or did you miss that.
What you need is a few beer to loosen you up a bit
 
selfsame
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy View Post

OH God I am shuttering in my boots God is going to get me
Are you suggesting God is a hypocrite? God gave us free will
remember? It is not free will if he is going to punish you for
not doing what he commands he gave you free will. He
gave away his power to free will or did you miss that.
What you need is a few beer to loosen you up a bit

It is not like this.
God gave you free will in order to choose the correct way, and you are responsible about your choice. If you choose the goodness you will be rewarded, but if you choose the evil you will be punished.
It is like people and government: citizens are free to choose: if they choose to act well, it will be well, but if commit crime there will be the prison and the punishment.

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Quran 62: 7

[Then God be glorified disapproved their claim, and He said:]
7. But they will never long for the [death], on account of [the crimes, wrong-doing and disobedience] that their hands have forwarded [to the Next Life.]
God is All-Knowing about the wrong-doers
g .
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g It means: Jews who wrong people and plunder their rights.
 
Ron in Regina
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#25
Selfsame. What if you are wrong? What if all your efforts to
recruit others to your religion as translate by Ali Hill Billy are
leading others astray from the true path, whatever that may
be? What kind of celestial peepee-whack can you expect in
the afterlife that you preach of then? What if your preaching
and recruitment attempts are really pissing off this god?

Oh yeah, and Jews are evil. Got it.
 
taxslave
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by selfsame View Post

Dude: you are one of the disbelievers, and the ayat are applicable to you, read them to know about your destiny.

Got any proof? And I don't mean more of your fairy tales but real live proof.

Quote: Originally Posted by selfsame View Post

These are only general words.
No objection about embracing life; but the Next Life is better and more enduring than the life of the World; so man should work for the Next Life which is his lasting future.
Man after Death



Nice idea: embracing life: why should anyone object? But the Next Life is preferred to this life of the World.

In fact God will not judge people, but Moses, Jesus and Mohammed (and other apostles) will be judges of people on Judgment Day.
God will judge Moses, Jesus and Mohammed, then He will command them to judge their peoples: according to what they applied or neglected of the Torah, Gospel and the Quran.

See here about the Judgment of the prophets and messengers:
Judgment of the prophets and apostles
http://www.quran-ayat.com/man/2.htm#__[_The_Shout_and_the_Crier:]_
See it just before this link of Question 18
Man after Death

SInce the next life is so much better why not just skip this one and move on?
 
petros
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina View Post

Selfsame. What if you are wrong? What if all your efforts to
recruit others to your religion as translate by Ali Hill Billy are
leading others astray from the true path, whatever that may
be? What kind of celestial peepee-whack can you expect in
the afterlife that you preach of then? What if your preaching
and recruitment attempts are really pissing off this god?

Oh yeah, and Jews are evil. Got it.

Buenos dias! - San Pedro
 
selfsame
-1
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina View Post

Selfsame. What if you are wrong? What if all your efforts to
recruit others to your religion as translate by Ali Hill Billy are
leading others astray from the true path, whatever that may
be? What kind of celestial peepee-whack can you expect in
the afterlife that you preach of then? What if your preaching
and recruitment attempts are really pissing off this god?

Oh yeah, and Jews are evil. Got it.

Ron in Regina, I am not wrong.

You are more worthy to think: if what I am telling you according to the Quran and the inspired interpreter of the Quran and the Bible (Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly) is true, what's your outcome then?

So by stirring doubts in others you want to turn the truth of God and the afterlife upside down.

The belief in God prompts the belief in the afterlife.

Such stirring of doubts concerning God and the Next Life was said by the idolaters of Mecca, and God said, in reply to their words:

Quran 67: 29, which means:
{Say, [Mohammed, to the disbelievers]: "It is He the Most Gracious: we have believed in Him [alone, as having no associate nor any son or daughter], and in Him we put [all] our trust [in preaching the religion of the Islam]; then [after your death] you will know which [of us] is in manifest error [: we or you.] }

The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
 
Ludlow
#29
You are alive today. That is all you need concern yourself with. I normally do not quote very many people other than this one who said, " take no thought for tomorrow, for todays troubles are enough "
 
selfsame
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by petros View Post

Buenos dias! - San Pedro

Also in reply to this objection, this aya was revealed midway between Mecca and Medina, during the migration of Prophet Mohammed:
Quran 28: 85, which means:

[When the Prophet arrived at Juhfa, which is a site midway between Mecca and Medina, and he recognized the way to Mecca, he longed for it; so Gabriel came to him and said: “Do you miss your hometown?”
He said: “Yes.”
[Gabriel] said: “Then God says:]


85. Surely, [God] Who has imposed upon you [Mohammed, to recite] the Quran [to people] will bring you [to Mecca] again [victorious over them, so don’t grieve for departing from it.]

[And when the associaters said to God’s messenger: “You are misguided away from the truth”, God – be glorified – said:]

Say, [Mohammed, to them]: "My Lord knows best which [of us] has brought the guidance, and which [of us] is in manifest error [I or you.]"