God's dealing with the nations of disbelievers


Torch light
#1
God terminated many cities and countries and their peoples when they disbelieved, and rebelled against God and His messengers.

This includes also the present generation: their blasphemy, their insisting on the atheism, the enthusiasm about their religious leaders and their idolatry.

Therefore, you disbelievers beware of God's punishment!
And you believers beware also of God's dealing and don't be like the disbelievers or you will lose in the same way.

Quran 65: 8-11, which mean:
(8. Yet how many cities rebelled against the command of its Lord and of His messengers [: apostles], so We punished them [in the World] with a severe punishment [according to their rebellion], and chastised them [in the Next Life] with a dreadful chastisement [: of which souls dread.]

9. So they suffered the evil consequences of their ‘disbelief and deception’, and the end of their ‘disbelief and deception’ was complete loss [; for they lost their Next Life.]

10. God has prepared [for Doomsday] for them severe chastisement; –– then ward off God's [punishment], O men of understanding: You who believe! God has revealed to you an admonition [included in the Quran, which He revealed to His messenger Mohammed, who is …]

11. A messenger [of God] reciting to you the revelations of God, evidently indicating [that their source is from God]; to bring forth those who believe and do righteous [works] from [the depths of] darkness [of ignorance and disbelief] to the light [of knowledge and belief.])

For more explanation:
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/65.htm#a65_8
quran-ayat.com/pret/65.htm#a65_8

Here is also the recitation of these horrible ayat of the Quran
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4P-GKkmrYI
 
Torch light
#2
God terminated many cities of the disbelievers and idolaters

So that their civilizations and corruption ended and disappeared.


[God – be glorified – explained about what He did to the deniers, and He said:]
Quran 21: 11-15, which mean:
11. How many a city, [the people of] which were wrong-doers, We broke up [with the earthquake], and raised up after it [another city and] other people!

12. Yet, when they perceived Our might, behold, they [tried to] run out of the [city.]

13. [The angels said to them, mocking:]
"Run not; Return to [the wealth with] which you were prosperous, and to your dwelling-places; that you may be questioned [about your wealth: who bestowed it on you: We or your idols?]"

14. [At that time] they said: "Alas for us! We have wronged [the messengers.]"

15. So they ceased not to cry such words, until We [exterminated and] made them [mown down motionless] dead corpses.

More explanation and interpretation:
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/21.htm#a21_11
quran-ayat.com/pret/21.htm#a21_11

this is the recitation of these ayat of the Quran:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPNtqA0LyHk
 
DaSleeper
#3
You're just as bad with your quran bullshite as Cliffy with his Fakebook!


Last edited by DaSleeper; Feb 17th, 2020 at 03:51 PM..
 
Torch light
#4
Coronavirus is the God's punishment for blasphemers and wrong-doers :

The recent Coronavirus epidemic in China and many other countries of the world is an obvious example of God's punishment for the disobedient, the blasphemer, the transgressor and wrong-doer.

God punishes them that they may desist from their evil, but they insist and most of them do not pray God even in the time of distress and affliction, so that He may remove the plague from them.

Some people ask of God and pray Him, but at the same time, they put trust in their patron saints and imams and pray them besides God, while this is a sort of idolatry and associating the imams and patron saints together with God Most Gracious.

http://www.quran-ayat.com/man/3.htm#Question_26
quran-ayat.com/man/3.htm#Question_26
 
Cliffy
#5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pjJEtA3Br4


You Gotta Believe - Nina Paley
 
Walter
#6
Please list the believer nations.
 
Torch light
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

Please list the believer nations.

Almost most nations are idolaters, ungodly and wrong-doers.

Some people among Muslims are believers, on condition they believe in God alone without associate, son, daughters, and they do not set some patrons besides Him.

Therefore, such believers like Abu Abd-Allah (the Mahdi: Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly) and some of my friends, and many Muslims who follow the same way of monotheism and the exclusive devotion to God alone without associate, in addition to believing in all God's messengers including Jesus Christ as a prophet and messenger but not as god or a son of God, and believing also in Mohammed as a prophet and a messenger of God, and believing in the Quran in addition to believing in the original Torah and Gospel.
They also believe in the Next Life.

The rest of people are erring and misguided.

http://www.quran-ayat.com/man/3.htm#Question_26
quran-ayat.com/man/3.htm#Question_26
Last edited by Torch light; Mar 9th, 2020 at 08:05 PM..
 
Walter
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by Torch light View Post

Almost most nations are idolaters, ungodly and wrong-doers.
Some people among Muslims are believers, on condition they believe in God alone without associate, son, daughters, and they do not set some patrons besides Him.
Therefore, such believers like Abu Abd-Allah (the Mahdi: Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly) and some of my friends, and many Muslims who follow the same way of monotheism and the exclusive devotion to God alone without associate, in addition to believing in all God's messengers including Jesus Christ as a prophet and messenger but not as god or a son of God, and believing also in Mohammed as a prophet and a messenger of God, and believing in the Quran in addition to believing in the original Torah and Gospel.
They also believe in the Next Life.
The rest of people are erring and misguided.
http://www.quran-ayat.com/man/3.htm#Question_26
quran-ayat.com/man/3.htm#Question_26

Please list the believer nations.
 
Torch light
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

Please list the believer nations.

Please listen: no believer nations (especially your nation of the tri-theism or Trinity followers.)

But true Muslim believers who do not associate the imams or prophets with God Almighty .. True Muslims are now the only believer nation. While the rest are in extreme error of the enthusiasm and idolatry.

Now, true Muslims are the Chosen people of God: God has chosen and guided them to glorify and worship Him alone.

And all other religions should follow the last heavenly religion: the Islam and believe in God as One God without associate or peer or son.

The interpreter of the Quran and the Bible said:
"I have studied the present Torah (or Hebrew Bible), the Gospel, the Psalms and the Quran: to realize that the first three books have been somewhat manipulated by the hands of men, so that they altered some of their statements and distorted the truth. Therefore, from now on we cannot rely on them.

For this reason, anyone who seeks after the truth should hold fast with the Quran which no falsehood may affect whether beforehand or afterwards; it is the revelation from a Wise and Praiseworthy (God.)"


http://quran-ayat.com/conflicts/index.htm#forward
quran-ayat.com/conflicts/index.htm#forward
Last edited by Torch light; Apr 25th, 2020 at 04:53 PM..
 
gerryh
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by Torch light View Post

Please listen: no believer nations (especially your nation of the tri-theism or Trinity followers.)
But true Muslim believers who do not associate the imams or prophets with God Almighty .. True Muslims are now the only believer nation. While the rest are in extreme error of the enthusiasm and idolatry.
Now, true Muslims are the Chosen people of God: God has chosen and guided them to glorify and worship Him alone.
And all other religions should follow the last heavenly religion: the Islam and believe in God as One God without associate or peer or son.
The interpreter of the Quran and the Bible said:
"I have studied the present Torah (or Hebrew Bible), the Gospel, the Psalms and the Quran: to realize that the first three books have been somewhat manipulated by the hands of men, so that they altered some of their statements and distorted the truth. Therefore, from now on we cannot rely on them.
For this reason, anyone who seeks after the truth should hold fast with the Quran which no falsehood may affect whether beforehand or afterwards; it is the revelation from a Wise and Praiseworthy (God.)"

http://quran-ayat.com/conflicts/index.htm#forward
quran-ayat.com/conflicts/index.htm#forward

Quran=satan's bible
 
HarperCons
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by Torch light View Post

God terminated many cities and countries and their peoples when they disbelieved

Why is Vegas still around then?
 
HarperCons
+1
#12  Top Rated Post
If God was real and benevolent he would redo the human race, capitalism in 2020 is an colossal moral failure.
 
Torch light
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by HarperCons View Post

Why is Vegas still around then?

I don't know or grasp God's wisdom. I don't object to His work of wisdom and authority.

The interpreter of the Quran and the Bible once told me:

"One who drinks wine may be better than one who [even a Muslim] but this Muslim associates the imams with God; because the association with God is like the idolatry: God will not forgive the idolatry or the associating of others with Him:

that is to equalize others like Jesus, Ali or others to equalize anyone with God: it is the most flagrant crime; it is worse than the wine drinking:

because the wine drinker may repent, and God may accept his repentance, but God never forgives the one who associates others with Him."


Moreover, who knows what punishment they already have (as individuals or else); and it maybe God has postponed their punishment to another time.

Haven't you seen New York and what has befallen them!?

See also the interpretation of this great aya 17: 58, which means:
(There isn't any city but We are going to terminate its [people with heat and thirst] before Doomsday, or chastise its [people] with dire chastisement [of starvation and coldness.]

This, indeed, is written in the Book [: the preserved tablet in heaven.]
)

More explanation:
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/17.htm#a17_58
quran-ayat.com/pret/17.htm#a17_58
Last edited by Torch light; Apr 26th, 2020 at 02:48 PM..
 
Torch light
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by HarperCons View Post

If God was real and benevolent he would redo the human race, capitalism in 2020 is an colossal moral failure.

Of course God is Real and Benevolent; He is the Most Gracious and Almighty.

Moreover, capitalism and communism and other materialistic ways of living: it is the injustice and corruption.

The communism is like a dry tree without water, and like a dead body without spirit; it leads to poverty of all people in general.

While the capitalism also leads to corruption and hoarding the money by some few people while the majority are in need.

The best is to follow God's religion: the "Zakat" taken by force from the rich and distributed into many divisions some of which to the poor and needy, and to those with heavy debts and in other ways..

Moreover, no usury to be taken, and the community help each other. And then God will bless people and they will live in prosperity and peace.

In addition, when a rich man dies, his wealth will be distributed among his nearest kindred, and will not go to one individual, and by this way also the wealth will be distributed among people worthy of it: his family members and the near kindred.
Last edited by Torch light; Apr 26th, 2020 at 03:03 PM..
 
Torch light
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh View Post

Quran=satan's bible

You are deluding yourself; read the interpretation of the Glorious Quran
http://quran-ayat.com/
quran-ayat.com
 
gerryh
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by Torch light View Post

You are deluding yourself; read the interpretation of the Glorious Quran
http://quran-ayat.com/
quran-ayat.com

Satan's back pedaling his bullshit.
 
DaSleeper
#17
Arguing with torchy is like arguing with a Jehovah witness!
 
HarperCons
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by Torch light View Post

You are deluding yourself; read the interpretation of the Glorious Quran
http://quran-ayat.com/
quran-ayat.com

God is not real, he would never allow capitalism.
 
HarperCons
#19
Quote:

The communism is like a dry tree without water, and like a dead body without spirit; it leads to poverty of all people in general.


For the large brain you have you can't even define communism correctly, you have no clue what it is. Sad. You're easily indoctrinated by capitalist media.
 
Torch light
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by HarperCons View Post

For the large brain you have you can't even define communism correctly, you have no clue what it is. Sad. You're easily indoctrinated by capitalist media.

Don't you see the individuals live as poor in general, in the communist countries!?
 
Torch light
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by HarperCons View Post

God is not real, he would never allow capitalism.

God is Real; He does not allow capitalism and communism.
 
HarperCons
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by Torch light View Post

Don't you see the individuals live as poor in general, in the communist countries!?

we live in a world dominated by the capitalist economy, it's not even possible for a communist country to exist. yes there are countries that strive for socialism but ultimately still forced into adopting a 'free market' economy for survival.


you should read Micheal Parenti or watch videos on youtube of his speeches if you're interested in learning success of socialism, yes.
 
HarperCons
#23
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npkeecCErQc



here's a short clip of his.
 
Torch light
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by HarperCons View Post

we live in a world dominated by the capitalist economy, it's not even possible for a communist country to exist. yes there are countries that strive for socialism but ultimately still forced into adopting a 'free market' economy for survival.
you should read Micheal Parenti or watch videos on youtube of his speeches if you're interested in learning success of socialism, yes.

Why do you want 'socialism' and 'communism'? It is not just to let all people be equal in everything..
It can't be.. because people differ in their capabilities and ambitions and work.. so if all people are given the same gain, they will lax and be lazy.. it is against human nature.

But better than all:
Let no poverty among people, and let no needy one stay with his need.. that's the community will support each other.

Moreover, for the capitalist: there are many things that restrict them: no bribe, no usury, no monopoly, no cheating .. in addition the Zakat tax will be taken from him by force.

Another point: God has made people differ in their provision (this is true even among the communists and socialists: they differ among themselves with their provision: some of them are luxurious, and others are restricted)

God Most Gracious knows about His servants: some of them He enriches and others He impoverishes in a way of testing and trial.. and in this way also the work will keep going and life continues.. so why do you insist on something against normal human nature?

Some people are OK with much money, others are OK with moderate money.. some people given much riches may become tyrants, others when impoverished will blaspheme .. so it is a trial.. this needs a thread to be written.

(See, [Mohammed], how We prefer [with provision] some of them over others [in provision!]
And surely the Next Life is greater in ranks [for believers] and greater [than the ranks of the World] in preferment.
)

More explanation
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/17.htm#a17_21
quran-ayat.com/pret/17.htm#a17_21
 
HarperCons
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by Torch light View Post

Why do you want 'socialism' and 'communism'? It is not just to let all people be equal in everything..
It can't be.. because people differ in their capabilities and ambitions and work.. so if all people are given the same gain, they will lax and be lazy.. it is against human nature.

But better than all:
Let no poverty among people, and let no needy one stay with his need.. that's the community will support each other.

Moreover, for the capitalist: there are many things that restrict them: no bribe, no usury, no monopoly, no cheating .. in addition the Zakat tax will be taken from him by force.

Another point: God has made people differ in their provision (this is true even among the communists and socialists: they differ among themselves with their provision: some of them are luxurious, and others are restricted)

God Most Gracious knows about His servants: some of them He enriches and others He impoverishes in a way of testing and trial.. and in this way also the work will keep going and life continues.. so why do you insist on something against normal human nature?

Some people are OK with much money, others are OK with moderate money.. some people given much riches may become tyrants, others when impoverished will blaspheme .. so it is a trial.. this needs a thread to be written.

(See, [Mohammed], how We prefer [with provision] some of them over others [in provision!]
And surely the Next Life is greater in ranks [for believers] and greater [than the ranks of the World] in preferment.
)

More explanation
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/17.htm#a17_21
quran-ayat.com/pret/17.htm#a17_21

that's liberal definition of communism with no basis in reality. no communist talks about being equal in everything. equality in this sense means being treated with equal respect, not same wage or something.

right now workers who run the economy are treated poorly, while the wealthy who are parasites, have too much power and worshiped by the ignorant.
 
Torch light
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by HarperCons View Post

that's liberal definition of communism with no basis in reality. no communist talks about being equal in everything. equality in this sense means being treated with equal respect, not same wage or something.
right now workers who run the economy are treated poorly, while the wealthy who are parasites, have too much power and worshiped by the ignorant.

There is some right, but not entirely:
The respect can be in every way: not necessarily the communism.
The respect should not be for money or position; the respect for the righteousness and piety, the disrespect for the transgression and wronging others and ungodliness.

Some description of the Christ or the Mahdi (I don't remember): "he does not show respect for person" it means: he does not consider the wealth or position or lineage of person: but only he considers his morals and righteousness or his indecency.
 

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