Venezuela : Leadership Crisis


Twin_Moose
Conservative
#361
She Was Duped and Shipped to a Brothel at 16. Then the Boat Sank.

Cliffy and company tell me again about this socialist utopia, and how great it is for the people.
 
Hoid
#362
ok this is what I mean about working on those paperboy skills

you are really not putting much effort into it.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#363
Doesn't need much effort I just throw the stick and you go fetch
 
Hoid
#364
Do you honestly think anyone reads these ridiculous links you for some reason insist on spamming us with?
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#365
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Do you honestly think anyone reads these ridiculous links you for some reason insist on spamming us with?

Here I'll spoon feed you with a part of the article

Quote:

Mr. Díaz was slowly watching his family disappear.
First his younger son, a petroleum engineer, left to Brazil, crossing treacherous borderlands controlled by criminal groups. Suddenly his 22-year-old daughter, Oriana Díaz, was talking about smuggling herself into Trinidad.
He never imagined anything like this. Until recently, he had enjoyed a middle-class life as a public high school teacher. His other son was an accountant. The family used to vacation around the Caribbean, not flee there.
But food was in short supply. Domestic production had collapsed and the few imported foods on the shelves had become unobtainable ever since hyperinflation had destroyed his salary. His daughter was a single mother with two children to feed, ages 5 months and 2.
“I would leave the food for my wife and daughter, and I would go to sleep with none,” said Mr. Díaz. “This is what is happening in Venezuela, the parents stop eating to give food to our children, our grandchildren.”
So when Oriana said she would head to Trinidad to send money back to the family, her father felt he couldn’t object.
“I took her 2-year-old to the football field that was beside our house so he wouldn’t see his mother leave the house,” said Mr. Díaz.
In another part of town, Héctor Torres, recently penniless after he lost his job at a soda factory, was busy recruiting teenage girls for his first attempt at smuggling women to the island.

And if your not reading them you really have no right to comment on the headlines now do you?
 
Hoid
#366
what on earth does it have to do with socialism?

are you saying that bad things only happen to people in socialist states?

is that the theory?
 
Hoid
#367
do you understand that President Trump's old running mate is in jail right now for preying on destitute young girls?

is he a socialist

is America a socialist state too?
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#368
Are we starting to see the goalposts move? Maybe you can hire Boomer with one of his trucks to move them quicker
 
Hoid
#369
no we are starting to see the evasion appear

there's a good reason Walter does not actually do a lot of talking.

maybe you should take the hint.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#370
Why? Because you like to change the narrative so posters give up?
 
Hoid
#371
change what narrative?

you post a link about something unfortunate happening to someone in Venezuela and suggest that it is because of socialism.

something bad happened to a bunch of little girls in Mar a Lago

does that mean democracy is faulty?
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#372
So people are not suffering in that Socialistic utopia? Gotcha, by the way where is the link to back up your assfact on the little girls abused in Mar a lago
 
Hoid
#373
no you are absolutely right.

nothing bad has ever happened to anyone in America or any other non socialist state

I should have known better than to suggest such a thing
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#374
There you go changing the narrative again, do you think an injection of money from the capitalist world would save them?
 
Hoid
#375
look its simple:

when something bad happens to someone in Venezuela its because of their form of government

when something bad happens to someone in America it is not because of their form of government

the narrative is intact
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#376
I see the people are to blame for Venezuela, but the Gov. is to blame in America, OK, gotcha
 
Hoid
#377
did I misunderstand your narrative?

I know you are all about the narrative.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#378
I wish you would signal before you make a turn in the forum, hate to see you get rear ended
 
Hoid
#379
But isn't he narrative that Cliffy and others have told you that Venezuela is a socialist paradise?

Isn't that the basis of the false narrative?
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
#380
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

She Was Duped and Shipped to a Brothel at 16. Then the Boat Sank.

Cliffy and company tell me again about this socialist utopia, and how great it is for the people.


Yup, Venezuela is fukked. If you think it is because of socialism, you are even more fukked.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#381
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

She Was Duped and Shipped to a Brothel at 16. Then the Boat Sank.
Cliffy and company tell me again about this socialist utopia, and how great it is for the people.

Too bad the boat sank. She could have been a sex slave in a capitalist paradise! Where everybody's free!
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
+1
#382
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Too bad the boat sank. She could have been a sex slave in a capitalist paradise! Where everybody's free!

.........free to abuse others as it suits their perverse wishes.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#383
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy View Post

Yup, Venezuela is fukked. If you think it is because of socialism, you are even more fukked.

Well it's not because of the recent sanctions' so what is the reason Cliffy?
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#384
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Too bad the boat sank. She could have been a sex slave in a capitalist paradise! Where everybody's free!

Sold to them by a fellow Venezuelan trying to make a little money to feed his family, so where does the blame lie T-bones?
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#385
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

But isn't he narrative that Cliffy and others have told you that Venezuela is a socialist paradise?
Isn't that the basis of the false narrative?

The narrative is they ran out of money and are punishing their citizens to retain power, same as what happened to every communist country that didn't open their borders to free commerce and foreign investment.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#386
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Sold to them by a fellow Venezuelan trying to make a little money to feed his family, so where does the blame lie T-bones?

I lay it on all the people in the chain. You only blame it only on those people in the chain who are in countries you don't like.

And you clearly don't give two shits about the sex slaves. So quit pretending to be a decent human being.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+1
#387
OK T-bones let's put it this way they are doing it in Venezuela in desperation, it happens in a capitalist world for greed. Feel better?
 
MHz
+1
#388
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Sold to them by a fellow Venezuelan trying to make a little money to feed his family, s

LIAR
https://therealnews.com/stories/vene...an-aid-scandal
An opposition-oriented website uncovered a $125,000 corruption scandal involving associates of Venezuelan opposition leader and self-declared president Juan Guaidó. Independent journalist Dan Cohen tracked down the details of this story
DAN COHEN Well, so far, we know that $125,000 was embezzled between February and May of this year by Juan Guaido’s operatives, his colleagues, in the Colombian border town of Cucuta. This money was actually supposed to be used largely for Venezuelan deserters, soldiers who had come to Colombia on promises and offers of not only amnesty, but also of money, a place to stay, health care, some of whom simply would be mercenaries. Instead of paying for the hotel rooms and everything that these soldiers— these deserters— were promised, these two figures basically stole the money and lived lavishly between Cucuta, a border town, and Bogota, the capital of Colombia, staying in fancy hotels, going out to five-star dinners, drinking, partying, and just, you know, living a lavish life.
GREG WILPERT Now, it seems that most of this was actually pretty well-documented in that PanAm Post article with the receipts and so on. Do we know who were the main people that were involved in this corruption scandal, and what has been the reaction from Guaido and his campaign to all of this?
DAN COHEN Yeah. The two figures are Rosanna Barrera and Kevin Rojas, who are both Popular Will Party members. This is the party that Guaido along with Leopoldo Lopez, the real opposition figure, founded back in 2009. Now, these two were placed in this coordinator position to oversee the delivery of so-called humanitarian aid. Kind of suddenly, they replaced two other figures who were there and it’s not really clear why Guaido made this order, but once they were in position, they basically took all of this money. It turns out that according to the PanAm Post article by Orlando Avendano, who as you explained is a pro- opposition journalist, Venezuelan journalist who is very much a supporter of Guaido, and basically explained himself as he just felt compelled to publish this because of such extreme corruption. But he found, according to Avendano, Guaido knew about this the whole time.
Colombian intelligence had basically been watching these two spend all of this money and alerted Humberto Berti, the Guaido envoy to Colombia, at which point he told Guaido and Guaido didn’t actually do anything. In fact, according to Avendano, Guaido actually tried to shift the blame onto his so-called basically fake embassy in Colombia. Only when this was revealed to the public by the PanAm article, that’s when Guaido finally said, you know, I’m against this and, you know, we must be transparent, and says he’s ordered an investigation. Now, as soon as he ordered that investigation, twenty minutes later, Berti says, well now the investigation is concluding. That shows that the investigation had been going on for some time and they had basically been hiding it in order to protect these people.
GREG WILPERT Now, the Branson concert was supposed to raise something like $100 million for humanitarian aid for Venezuelans. How did that concert actually pan out in the end? Has there been any accounting of this money on the part of Branson, and what about the other humanitarian aid? What do we know about that?
DAN COHEN Right. So this is the February 22nd concert that Richard Branson, the British billionaire and CEO of Virgin Records, organized in just a week’s time actually, as Juan Guaido was promising to deliver this humanitarian aid, the so-called humanitarian aid into Venezuela’s borders. Which, you know, as a—I was in Cucuta for that concert and for the following day when, you know, they attempted to ram this aid through. As a Colombian priest who is responsible for basically guiding these deserter soldiers told me, it wasn’t actually about humanitarian aid at all. It was a tiny amount and what it actually was meant to do was ram through the borders and show that Maduro has a loss of sovereignty, that he doesn’t actually control his own country, and that would foment an uprising, and finally depose Maduro. Now that’s failed spectacularly, but the day before this concert, which as you said, they said they would raise a $100 million.
Well, they said they, a few days later, they announced they raised only $2.5 million and they never said where that money was going, who it would be distributed to, or any kind of plan. I’m actually in a WhatsApp group with all these opposition journalists— this was the Venezuela Aid Live official WhatsApp group— and they had been asking, where’s this money going? And the coordinator said, you know, we’re going to make a statement and they never really made a statement. There’s major questions about where this money went and how much of it may have been spent by, you know, these same hucksters of Guaido in Cucuta. They did make a statement, the Venezuela Aid Live organizers did make a statement saying that they have nothing to do with the embezzled money, and they’re looking forward to the investigation as well, and that their money doesn’t have anything to do with it, but the $125,000— it may be much more than that. Avendano, the journalist who reported this stuff, has more receipts and more documents that I assume he’ll be continuing to expose.
GREG WILPERT Now, I just want to turn to Guaido himself. You’ve written about him as well, also for The Grayzone. What can you tell us about his background and how it came to be that he is the fresh face of the Venezuelan opposition now?
DAN COHEN Well, until Juan Guaido declared himself President of Venezuela in January of this year after receiving a phone call from Mike Pence urging him to do so, most Venezuelans had never actually heard of him. He was a middling figure in a, kind of, opposition party that had been discredited thoroughly throughout Venezuela for acts of street violence and leading what they call guarimbas, which are basically riots in the street that shut down certain areas of the city, and where they’ve actually murdered people who support the government. Guaido was basically catapulted into this position, but his history is really remarkable. Essentially, he was trained by a CIA cutout called CANVAS, which is the Center for Application of Nonviolent [Action and] Strategies, and this is a Serbian group that came out of Yugoslavia, the collapse of Yugoslavia, where the CIA basically poured huge amounts of money into student groups.
There was a group called Otpor! that was a key student group that led to the downfall of Milosevic. And then, this group basically became professional regime change trainers. So they’re going all around the world training student groups mostly to overthrow their governments. Basically, governments that the US doesn’t like. Certainly not governments the US is in line with— Saudi Arabia, Israel or anything like that. No, it’s only targets of the US empire. And so, Juan Guaido and many of his Popular Will Party colleagues attended these trainings. Guaido allegedly took part in what’s called the Mexican Fiesta Plot in a Mexican hotel in 2010 where he went to one of these trainings and they also plotted an assassination attempt of the President, Nicolas Maduro, which failed. But basically, Guaido has been a figure at the center of street violence for many years and he was vaulted into this position in order to basically have this US-backed scheme of a coup that has failed repeatedly since it was declared in January.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#389
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

LIAR
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Hey Muzzie Nazi the article is based on her and the kidnappers account of the incident, So who is the liar the victim and perpetrator or Russian news?
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#390
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

ok this is what I mean about working on those paperboy skills

you are really not putting much effort into it.


Oh yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Go ahead hemer-HOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Tell us ALL ABOUT the joys of Socialism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!


Why dont you explain to us HOW IN HELL..............................


Venezuela- a CHARTER MEMBER of OPEC...................................


could end up SO UTTERLY BANKRUPT????????????????????????


And when you supply that explanation....................................... .......


we will ALL GET A GOOD LAUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!


As you struggle to blame individuals....................................... ....


who betrayed their country.......................



INSTEAD of BLAMING the Socialist system...........................................


that "useful idiots" like Our idiot Boy Justin............................................ ..


is so very fond of!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Or will you just DISMISS IT ALL????????????????


By blaming the Yankees???????????????????


Yankees are the favoured whipping boy these days!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Which is WHY so many people around the world are PISSED


that Trump wont quit complaining about BEING the whipping



BOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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