Setting up a new Homeland for the Quebecois


View Poll Results: Where should a Quebecois Homeland be located
Switzerland 2 100.00%
Alaska 0 0%
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General James Wolfe
#1
Since Quebec belongs to Anglo-Canadains and not the ungratefull Quebecois. I think the Quebecois should be sent to set up a homeland somewhere else.
 
s_lone
#2
I have officially put you on my ignore list; you will no longer hear from me Wolfy. The stench of your stagnant intellect is too much to endure.
 
CDNBear
#3
Quote: Originally Posted by s_lone View Post

I have officially put you on my ignore list; you will no longer hear from me Wolfy. The stench of your stagnant intellect is too much to endure.

You know what s_lone, as much as I half heartedly agree with your view on the General. He is voicing his dismay at what he sees as an ungrateful group. A view I share with him.

His views, as repugnant as you see them, are without a doubt, better thoughtout and put out then those of Numure, who only garnerred a slight lash from you.

If you haven't noticed, I am the biggest critic on this board of the Native peoples. Let me clarify that. I am the bigest critic on this board, that uses knowledge and facts, of the Native people to formulate a judgement, not racist rhetoric and conjecture.

Why you would ignore the General and, but mildly chastise Numure, shows a certain bias as to what you find acceptable and not.

A bias that you have assured me you do not have, but this action, shows that the seed is planted. It may not have sprouted, but it surely germinates within.
 
s_lone
#4
CDN bear, Wolfy is only repeating the same old thing since the beginning and has proved unable to have a normal and reasonable discussion on the subject. I'm just tired of reading the same old thing so if eventually he posts something smart, let me know and I will look it up. You think I can discuss with someone saying "death to Quebec nationalism"? I prefer ignoring him then to become agressive with him.
 
CDNBear
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by s_lone View Post

CDN bear, Wolfy is only repeating the same old thing since the beginning and has proved unable to have a normal and reasonable discussion on the subject. I'm just tired of reading the same old thing so if eventually he posts something smart, let me know and I will look it up. You think I can discuss with someone saying "death to Quebec nationalism"? I prefer ignoring him then to become agressive with him.

And I appriciate that, as I do your words and views. You are with out a doubt the most level headed separatist I have ever met.

You arguement as to why you wish to separate, as it dismissed the myths I had, only formed bigger questions.

But you broke years of my own misconceptions, with wise words and absent rhetoric. If applied, that same voice used to break my step, could be posed to the General. Perhaps?

I am still curious as to why the need for independance, though.
 
s_lone
#6
Oh you big cuddly bear... Ok, I'll take him off my ignore list if you put it that way!

I'm off to Quebec city to celebrate Xmas with my loved ones so I'll be more quiet in the next few days... Looking forward to keep on with those discussions. You all have a good time, even you Wolfy!
 
General James Wolfe
#7
S_Lone and Company


For years I was a moderate when it came to Quebec. I felt sorry for the Quebecois for a long time. I supported the Canadian goverment giving more autonomy for Quebec and enacting billengualim. I supported the civil rights of the Quebecois.


But since 1995 my views on Quebec and the Quebecois have hardend. The Canadian goverment has shown moderation and have given the carrot to Quebec and the Quebecois so many times and the result was nothing. The Quebecois over 10 years changed me from a moderate to a hardliner. The Quebecois are an ungrateful people who should know their place. I am sick and tired of all their wining and complaining when they get the most money from Canada and treated better than any other province.


Moderation has been thrown out the window and I no longer feel sorry for the Quebecois, quite the opposite. These troublesome people have to be shown their place.


The Quebecois can move to Switzerland where they can establish a French homeland. They can restore the Napoleonic Helvetic Republic. Queebcois are too much trouble to be allowed to remain in Canada. I say deport the whole dam ungratefull population if you have to Switzerland.


Quebec Nationalist are leading Canada to Civil War.


Time to show the Quebecois the stick, since they have rejected the carrot.


Canada and Quebec would be better of with out the Quebecois and their troublemaking leaders.
 
s_lone
#8
Whoa... Do I see a speck of hope for dialogue in Wolfe's words?

Thank you for finally starting to loosen up, too bad you immediately recoiled in your same old repetitive clown talk.

I see Quebecers as having been very ambiguous since 1995, of course the sponsership scandal gave a little boost to seperatism but nothing to create a civil war! I'm not sure I see the ungratitude you see. A strong majority of us are thankful to be part of the Canadian community. We just wish this community would have more acceptation and tolerance for Quebec's desire to be independant. Again, independance does not equal seperation and does not exclude inter-dependance.
 
General James Wolfe
#9
S_Lone


The French are Fascist when it comes to their language. Only in France their is a language ministry to enforce French. Hell the French are so chaunvinsitic about their language that President Chriac left a confrence when he heard a fellow Frenchmen speakin English. The Language Ministry in Quebec remindes me of the Taliban Relgieous Minstry that forced Islam down the throats of people and whom force women to cover up and force men to grow beards.


The Language Police are a bunch of Linguestic Fascists who should be dismantled.


If the French won in the French and Indian War they would have banned English and drove of all the Anglo-Canadians by ethnic cleansing. The French are so intollerant of other languages, but unlike the French the British are so tollerant of other language they allowd the French language to continue in Quebec. Maybe the Anglo-Canadains should copy the French and impose the English language on Quebec.


IN DEMOCRATIC NATIONS THEIR SHOULD BE NO LANGUAGE POLICE.
 
L Gilbert
No Party Affiliation
#10
What if the Swiss and the Alaskans don't want Canadian French? Even France doesn't want Canadian French there (except as tourists).
The idea of moving a people that have lived in an area for a couple hundred years is no different than that of the people that confiscated a piece of land to make room for the Israeli at the chagrin of the others that occupied that area. It's childish. How does Switzerland deal with having different cultures within its borders? It seems to be a relatively content and peaceful population. Here, let me take a chunk of your property so I can give it to someone else. As far as culture loss goes, if a particular people don't want to lose touch with their culture, there is nothing that can be done to force them to lose it. I know of several people who had their own cultures and between the English and french kept their culture hidden in spite of the English and French best efforts at destroying those cultures. As soon as the pressure was off, the cultures were back out in the open.
Last edited by L Gilbert; Dec 24th, 2006 at 02:14 PM..
 
s_lone
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by General James Wolfe View Post

S_Lone


The French are Fascist when it comes to their language. Only in France their is a language ministry to enforce French. Hell the French are so chaunvinsitic about their language that President Chriac left a confrence when he heard a fellow Frenchmen speakin English. The Language Ministry in Quebec remindes me of the Taliban Relgieous Minstry that forced Islam down the throats of people and whom force women to cover up and force men to grow beards.


The Language Police are a bunch of Linguestic Fascists who should be dismantled.


If the French won in the French and Indian War they would have banned English and drove of all the Anglo-Canadians by ethnic cleansing. The French are so intollerant of other languages, but unlike the French the British are so tollerant of other language they allowd the French language to continue in Quebec. Maybe the Anglo-Canadains should copy the French and impose the English language on Quebec.


IN DEMOCRATIC NATIONS THEIR SHOULD BE NO LANGUAGE POLICE.

There you go! At least now you have something to say! Thank for sharing it!

Don't forget Quebec has been seperated from France since 1759 (how could YOU ever forget that?!) This discussion is dealing with Quebec, not France. Quebecers are not concerned with imposing French to the world, only to preserve a society in which French is striving because whether you like it or not, language is a huge and essential part of culture. Preserving French is a way to assure the survival of our cultural nation or society if you don't like the word nation.

The laws used to preserve French are I agree, quite debatable, but is it a crime to preserve one's culture?
 
CDNBear
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

What if the Swiss and the Alaskans don't want Canadian French? Even France doesn't want Canadian French there (except as tourists).
The idea of moving a people that have lived in an area for a couple hundred years is no different than that of the people that confiscated a piece of land to make room for the Israeli at the chagrin of the others that occupied that area. It's childish. How does Switzerland deal with having different cultures within its borders? It seems to be a relatively content and peaceful population.

That's a good point, but if you missed it, some of the sepratists have suggested that the non French can move out of Quebec, so why can't the French.

As to your Israeli analogy, the territory in question, was actually theirs to begin with, They were forced out, much like the Natives of North America. Being mandated the chance to go home again seems pretty justified, no matter who was squatting on their land.
 
CDNBear
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by s_lone View Post

The laws used to preserve French are I agree, quite debatable, but is it a crime to preserve one's culture?

Absolutely not, it is a duty to preserve ones culture. But to what extent is that duty to go, before it becomes detrimental to the well being of all.

Lets see, bill 101 polarized a nation against the Quebecois. Did it serve any real good?

Or was it better at sticking it to the Anglais then it was at preserving Francais culture?
 
L Gilbert
No Party Affiliation
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

That's a good point, but if you missed it, some of the sepratists have suggested that the non French can move out of Quebec, so why can't the French.

As to your Israeli analogy, the territory in question, was actually theirs to begin with, They were forced out, much like the Natives of North America. Being mandated the chance to go home again seems pretty justified, no matter who was squatting on their land.

Well, I admit to forgetting alot of history, but I still stand by what I said and it goes for both sides of the issue. I see forcing people out of where they live as abuse of authority and it is childish: "It's my sandbox and you can't be here, nyah nyah".
 
s_lone
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

Absolutely not, it is a duty to preserve ones culture. But to what extent is that duty to go, before it becomes detrimental to the well being of all.

Lets see, bill 101 polarized a nation against the Quebecois. Did it serve any real good?

Or was it better at sticking it to the Anglais then it was at preserving Francais culture?

One thing is for sure, asking newly arrived immigrants to send their kids to French schools has very largely contributed to the survival of French in Quebec.

(This is an interseting debate but I really gotta catch that bus now... I'll stay tuned...)

Y'all be well.
 
CDNBear
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by s_lone View Post

One thing is for sure, asking newly arrived immigrants to send their kids to French schools has very largely contributed to the survival of French in Quebec.

(This is an interseting debate but I really gotta catch that bus now... I'll stay tuned...)

Y'all be well.

Have a Merry Christmas s_lone!!!
 
L Gilbert
No Party Affiliation
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

Absolutely not, it is a duty to preserve ones culture. But to what extent is that duty to go, before it becomes detrimental to the well being of all.

Lets see, bill 101 polarized a nation against the Quebecois. Did it serve any real good?

Or was it better at sticking it to the Anglais then it was at preserving Francais culture?

Exactly, people cannot seem to cooperate anymore; taking sides in some idiotic polarisation seems to be almost mandatory these days. Today's politics and press seem to be wroking to ensure this distastful activity, too.
 
L Gilbert
No Party Affiliation
#18
HAve a great xmas and wonderful new year, S_.
 
CDNBear
#19
To some extent I would agree.
I may even resemble those remarks.

I get aggressive, when the Natives are cast to the side lines as the big boys sit at the big table and ignore we're here. Or worse yet, dismiss with racism.

As much as it would break my heart to see Quebec separate, I do not feel it is our place to stand in her way. It is only in the notion that the natives that reside on their own land within the colonial boundries of Quebec, must follow along because our land merely sits inside somebody elses borders. We agreed to share the land, not give it or our rights away. A fact I have proven time and tima again, only to have it ignored by some.

Me and my people, do not trust Quebec for a meriad of valid reasons, we do not wish to reside within the borders of a soveriegn Quebec, but we are told by Quebec that we will.

How exactly shall we take that. It sure looks a lot like someone is throwing down the guantlet to me. That is a dangerous scenerio. The French Mohawks, have shown their capacity to pick up said gauntlet, and slap the powers that be, with it.
 
General James Wolfe
#20
S_Lone


Here is a mathimatical reason why the Quebecois should move to Switzerland.


The Population of Switzerland
7.252.000

The French Population of Switzerland
1.479.408

The French population represents 20.4% of Switzerland's Population


The Population of Canada
(32.623.490)


The French Population of Canada
(5.158.199)


So if you add the French population of Canada 5.158.199 to the French Population of Switzerland 1.479.408 you will have a combined population of 6.637.607 people, which will make French the majority of Switzerland.
Last edited by General James Wolfe; Dec 24th, 2006 at 02:55 PM..
 
L Gilbert
No Party Affiliation
#21
I can understand your position and sympathize. I don't think the feds would allow separatists to dictate to Canadian citizens, wherever they may live. Personally, I don't think Quebec will separate but will continue to hold their hand out for bribes to not separate.
 
L Gilbert
No Party Affiliation
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by General James Wolfe View Post

S_Lone


Here is a mathimatical reason why the Quebecois should move to Switzerland.


The Population of Switzerland
(7.252.000)

The French Population of Switzerland
(1.479.40

The French population represents 20.4% of Switzerland's Population


The Population of Canada
(32.623.490)


The French Population of Canada
(5.158.199)


So if you add the French population of Canada (5.158.199) to the French Population of Switzerland (1.479.40 you will have a combined population of 6.637.607 people, which will make French the majority of Switzerland.

Talk the Swiss into it then.
 
L Gilbert
No Party Affiliation
#23
I repeat.
Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

Well, I admit to forgetting alot of history, but I still stand by what I said and it goes for both sides of the issue. I see forcing people out of where they live as abuse of authority and it is childish : "It's my sandbox and you can't be here, nyah nyah".

 
CDNBear
#24
This is a quotation from a Supreme Court of Canada trial decision on the secession of Quebec. It outlines International Law as it pertains to the secession of a group of people and defines the criteria, in myinterpritation, as to what must be met to attain that sovereignty.

In my honest opinion, the Native Peoples fit the bill better then the Quebecois.

"Undoubtedly, one of the key considerations motivating the enactment of the Charter, and the process of constitutional judicial review that it entails, is the protection of minorities. However, it should not be forgotten that the protection of minority rights had a long history before the enactment of the Charter. Indeed, the protection of minority rights was clearly an essential consideration in the design of our constitutional structure even at the time of Confederation: Although Canada's record of upholding the rights of minorities is not a spotless one, that goal is one towards which Canadians have been striving since Confederation, and the process has not been without successes," Justice Lamer wrote.
The court decision then went on to the second question that dealt with international law rather than Canadian internal law.
"[A] right to secession only arises under the principle of self-determination of people at international law where "a people" is governed as part of a colonial empire; where "a people" is subject to alien subjugation, domination or exploitation; and possibly where "a people" is denied any meaningful exercise of its right to self-determination within the state of which it forms a part. Quebec does not meet the threshold of a colonial people or an oppressed people, nor can it be suggested that Quebecers have been denied meaningful access to government to pursue their political, economic, cultural and social development," the court wrote.
The answers to the first two questions made answering the third question unnecessary, the justices decided.

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Sparrow
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by General James Wolfe View Post

S_Lone


The French are Fascist when it comes to their language. Only in France their is a language ministry to enforce French. Hell the French are so chaunvinsitic about their language that President Chriac left a confrence when he heard a fellow Frenchmen speakin English. The Language Ministry in Quebec remindes me of the Taliban Relgieous Minstry that forced Islam down the throats of people and whom force women to cover up and force men to grow beards.


The Language Police are a bunch of Linguestic Fascists who should be dismantled.


If the French won in the French and Indian War they would have banned English and drove of all the Anglo-Canadians by ethnic cleansing. The French are so intollerant of other languages, but unlike the French the British are so tollerant of other language they allowd the French language to continue in Quebec. Maybe the Anglo-Canadains should copy the French and impose the English language on Quebec.


IN DEMOCRATIC NATIONS THEIR SHOULD BE NO LANGUAGE POLICE.

First of all I agree there be no such thing as language police. However they are more pesky than anything else, because when they passed Bill 101 they put a noose around the French not the English. As English I had the right to choose the education language of my son(I was educated in English as most of us were) but the French no longer have that right. Today a lot of them are realizing that because of this their children are paying the bill in job oportunities. There are parts of the Bill that I agree with such as French in the workplace. I live in a mining town and from the time they opened until this Bill was passed they had to work in English (about 100 yrs.), where was the respect. Many of the English here at that time refused to learn French. RESPECT!!! They were stubborn and to narrow minded to realize that two languages are better than one.

The complaining you have hear comes from the hardliners because as usual they made good copy but there are alot of moderates that you never heard. They want change so instead of insulting them you might find some of their ideas would be good for the whole country. It is people like you who fan the fires of radicals and give them reason for their spoutings.

MERRY CHRISTMAS to everyone.
 
CDNBear
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by Sparrow View Post

First of all I agree there be no such thing as language police. However they are more pesky than anything else, because when they passed Bill 101 they put a noose around the French not the English. As English I had the right to choose the education language of my son(I was educated in English as most of us were) but the French no longer have that right. Today a lot of them are realizing that because of this their children are paying the bill in job oportunities. There are parts of the Bill that I agree with such as French in the workplace. I live in a mining town and from the time they opened until this Bill was passed they had to work in English (about 100 yrs.), where was the respect. Many of the English here at that time refused to learn French. RESPECT!!! They were stubborn and to narrow minded to realize that two languages are better than one.

The complaining you have hear comes from the hardliners because as usual they made good copy but there are alot of moderates that you never heard. They want change so instead of insulting them you might find some of their ideas would be good for the whole country. It is people like you who fan the fires of radicals and give them reason for their spoutings.

MERRY CHRISTMAS to everyone.

Doyon?

Rouyn Noranda?

I know there are others, but I lived there while working for a mining company.
 
CanadienA1
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by General James Wolfe View Post

Since Quebec belongs to Anglo-Canadains and not the ungratefull Quebecois. I think the Quebecois should be sent to set up a homeland somewhere else.

I understand your frustration. Always remeber, everybody is Canadian in Canada, even those who wish to destroy our contry. Most of those are just "usefull idiots(btw, i hate the term)" brainwashed by stupids hard-leftist.

Do not felt in the hate of the PQ, its what they want and what they are seeking! PQ is a trap!
 

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