On the End of History


moha66
#1
History could have ended the day Noah boarded the ark. The whole civilisation Man had succeeded in erecting was gone overnight. No cities, no palaces, no schools, no roads, no gardens- nothing survived the Deluge. Nothing but what was saved in the ark. Hence, history had a second chance to go on thanks to those saved in the ark.

Those were, among other things, a handful of people with knowledge in their heads. Their knowledge included both what they knew about the world (or Nature) and what they knew about God. Having experienced firsthand both kinds of knowledge, Noah’s companions knew the worth of each.

Noah’s companions learned from their unprecedented experience that God was more interested in Deen than in Dunya. They learned that people were more important than their dwellings, mounts, money or anything else they might possess. Equally, people should care more about God than any of those possessions.

But the ark saved not only people, but also « two of every type of animal ». The people saved in the ark had the knowledge to deal with those things they carried along with them as well as the world as a whole. They had brought that knowledge -in their heads- from their old people, and then they passed it on to the next generations. In addition to that knowledge of the world, the Noah’s ark people left « a message » with those who came after them. The message said in essence that the world belonged to God and therefore Man should worship God.

Another human civilisation, by the name of ’Aad, emerged thereafter. New palaces, schools, roads, gardens, factories, etc, were built. Man’s knowledge of the world expanded. God reminded Man that all this was good if he did not forget Him. God said -through his Messenger- that He was not against such a prosperous civilisation if Man worshipped Him, because it’s Him who made this civilisation possible in the first place.

The ’Aad people did not care about what God said, nor did Thamood. Nor did God care about their « civilisations ». Only those who cared about God’s Word were saved so that they could pass on God’s message to the next generations.

That message reached Abraham. He told his people about it. But like ’Aad and Thamood, Abraham’s people were proud of their civilisation. Their king, Nemrod, compared himself with God. Abraham was far from impressed by the king and his kingdom. He knew that it was God who made kings and kingdoms. So he left his people altogether.

Abraham then went to a place far less prosperous than his home country. He went to Palestine in order to spread the knowledge which he believed was more worthwhile than Nemrod’s kingdom. His children followed his teachings. They too believed that knowledge of God was much better than knowledge of the world. As a result of that unshaken belief, one of Abraham’s grandchildren, Joseph, became king.

Unlike Nemrod, King Joseph did not measure his strength against God. He simply worshipped Him. And so did King David and King Solomon. They were all kings and good believers in God. They were proof that God was not against civilisation and prosperous kingdoms if Man worshipped Him.

The question is, why didn’t those « good » kingdoms last for ever ? Why were there « bad » kingdoms as well ? That’s a hard one to answer. But, interestingly, history gives us some clues.

Many of the things we use today were invented by different peoples in different places at different times. Bronze, for example, was invented by the Chineese, glass by people in Mesopotamia, paper by the Egyptians, alphabet by Phoenicians, and so on. Each people learned from the other peoples and made their own inventions, thus expanding Man’s knowledge of the world. This knowledge spread through trade and conquest. The conquerors inherited the knowledge of the vanquished people and took it home or spread it to other places. At the same time, the conquerors brought in their own way of life, their thoughts, their arts and their religion.

The interaction between so many powers, so many civilisations and so many ways of life made it necessary for each people to defend their own existence. Each people had to defend everything that was at stake for them. That included their culture. So those who happened to believe in God had to defend their own faith by using all the tools available, including those that had been invented or developed by non-believer nations. Such tools may have included Phoenicians’ alphabet and Greeks’ logic. Thus non-believer nations were not « redundant ». They were just as useful as believer nations in that they contributed to the spread of belief in God.

It is also interesting to notice that most of those early interactions between various contending nations took place just where Abraham was once : Palestine. The Egyptians, the Babylonians, the Persians, the Hittites, the Greeks, the Romans, and many more in between- all had a foothold there at some point in history. And then came the Arabs. They came from another place to where Abraham was once : Mecca. Those Arabs found themselves thrusting in every direction, going towards nations who had known impressive empires, and ended up building their own empire stretching across most of the then known world.

There followed a magnificent world interaction. The Arabs borrowed old, dormant knowledge from the Greeks, the Persians and other nations, and updated and enriched it, and then spread it in every direction. Baghdad emerged as the world capital of knowledge. And in the West there was Cordoba, where Arab knowledge was passed on to Europe through translation. Averroes spoke to Muslims and non-Muslim Europeans of God using Aristotle’s logic.

Baghdad was destroyed, but Islamic knowledge survived. It survived because it was not only in the books that the Mongols threw into the Tigris River, but also in people’s hearts and minds. Like the destruction of the Alexandria Library in antiquity, the loss of Baghdad libraries could have been a much more awful tragedy had there not been what I called interactions. Marrakesh, which was built and made their capital by Morocco’s Almoravid dynasty, was deliberately and completely destroyed by their Almohad successors. These rebuilt the whole city in the most beautiful possible way, because they had already « received » the necessary knowledge from their predecessors. As long as knowledge is intact, it does not matter how beautiful or big a destroyed place was. It can always be rebuilt.

Even the rebuilding of a whole nation is possible if there is the necessary knowledge. Europe milked the Arabs of their knowledge and rebuilt itself in a matter of generations.

But the Arabs’ knowledge was « poisonous » somehow. Averroes’ lectures taught Europeans how to look at religion differently. This led to voices rising against the way the Church taught religion. The Church defended itself by persecuting people of knowledge such as Galileo.

The conflict between the Church and new scientists resulted in new thinking. Some clung to their religious beliefs, defending themselves by use of logic and philosophy. Others broke with the Church altogether and called their way « Secularism ». They defended themselves by experimenting with their knowledge of the world, excluding any reference to the Unknown.

The new knowledge of the world, based on experimentation, led to the Industrial Revolution. The boom in industry led to the spread of knowledge on a phenomenal scale. But this knowledge remained confined to where industry was thriving.

The Church was clever enough to make good use of that thriving industry. Wherever there was a new industrial site there was a large church. Moreover, church men paved the way for their respective industrial states to seize new lands on other continents. Both church men and those who were only interested in wealth agreed on a magic word : civilisation. That civilisation had to be spread through occupation.

Occupation made it possible for more people to go to more places. Africans « went » to America, taking with them their religions, including Islam. Other Muslims were taken into Europe, where they continued to practise their faith. Orientalists (from Europe) went to the Arab and Islamic world to « return » part of the Arabic and Islamic heritage to the newly awakening Arabs and Muslims.

Now that imported material is being exported with an added value. It is done through the Internet and satellite TV stations.

Islam has become the fastest growing religion in America, which invented the Internet and satellite TV. There are now American-born imams who know the Koran and the Haddith by heart and are authorized to issue fatwas. All the Islamic literature is now everywhere, thanks to the Internet. This was made possible by American technology and Arab oil money.

Arab oil money has contributed to the building of large mosques, big Islamic institutes and libraries, and to the printing of the Holy Koran and other religious books in large quantities in many languages in many parts of the world.

Even within the poorest Islamic states Islam is growing as fast as demography. Wherever you go, there is a new mosque and a new school (where people are introduced to God) because there is a new village, town or suburb. Small towns are swelling into big cities, and so small mosques and schools are becoming bigger and bigger. Therefore, the number of people who know (of) God is ever increasing.

Modern means of communication and transportation together with modern educational systems have made world interaction incredibly easier every day. More and more people are coming out of illiteracy. More and more people are learning more and more about each other. More and more people are coming towards each other. Emigration, tourism and business travel are playing a great role in the ever-increasing exchange of human experience. Globalisation will push this exchange even further.

It is again interesting to remember that Islam entered many parts of the world without having to draw the sword for it. Indonesia and parts of sub-Saharan Africa are such places where Islam was introduced through trade rather than war.

This is still possible today. There is no need for cluster bombs to promote Christianity or for suicide-bombings to promote Islam. Islam is for freedom of choice. Islam is self-confident because the Koran says it is the true Word of God. So truth will out in the end. Otherwise, why should it be called truth ? There should be no fear, therefore, for a Christian priest to talk about Christianity live on Iqraa TV, or for a Muslim imam to talk about Islam live on World Harvest Radio. Why shouldn’t there be a fair competition between all ? Truth will out !

I like to call mine « al-Haq theory ». Read, if you like, Verse 52 of FUSSILAT. It looks as if history is heading towards the day when knowledge of God will reach every corner of the world. AL FATIHA will become the most known-by-heart text all over the world. God will be prayed in all languages, in all parts of the world, on land, on the sea, on air, and even in space. There will be hardly a place on earth where God won’t be known to Man.

Only then could history end. One could imagine God saying then to Angels : « Did I not tell you that…. (ALBAQARA : 32).

And then, « Islam will end up strange as it began strange ». A sad dénouement, isn’t it ?
WALLAHU A’LAM.
 
Northboy
#2
I'm not sure if this a political statement on behalf of the Islamic federation or the opening of a debate on what you have written.

To me, this paradigm speaks to an Age in sunset, not to the Age dawning.

You speak of knowledge, but in reality it appears you are speaking of gnosis, which is different, gnosis being the hidden agendas behind the organized religions of the World.

All have fallen, all need to repent....Including Islamic orthodoxy.

Orthodoxy is the doctrine of men....
 
L Gilbert
#3
The title of the thread interested me. Then I read, "History could have ended the day Noah boarded the ark." and quit reading further.
History can end any day, so picking a day that history could end written about in a book of largely stories of fantasy is a bit silly.
 
darkbeaver
#4
History will never end but we will. haha
 
moha66
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@ Northboy , L Gilbert and darkbeaver

Thank you so much for your comments. You can find the same post elsewhere on the Web with comments such as yours. You can find more at my blog:

http://lagouader.over-blog.com/article-20879346.html

I am a fiction writer and I know the difference between fiction and reality. Thousands have viewed my novels on the Web, but many more are viewing my non-fiction as well. I respect this board and its users, so I can't permit myself to post anything "a bit silly".

THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN.
 
darkbeaver
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by moha66 View Post

@ Northboy , L Gilbert and darkbeaver

Thank you so much for your comments. You can find the same post elsewhere on the Web with comments such as yours. You can find more at my blog:

http://lagouader.over-blog.com/article-20879346.html

I am a fiction writer and I know the difference between fiction and reality. Thousands have viewed my novels on the Web, but many more are viewing my non-fiction as well. I respect this board and its users, so I can't permit myself to post anything "a bit silly".

THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN.

Thank you moha66, your blog is a nice peaceful diversion. "A bit silly" why not? In my opinion there's nothing wrong with harmless entertaining sillyness, the world needs more of it and less of the rest.
 
darkbeaver
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert View Post

The title of the thread interested me. Then I read, "History could have ended the day Noah boarded the ark." and quit reading further.
History can end any day, so picking a day that history could end written about in a book of largely stories of fantasy is a bit silly.

I so infrequently disagree with you Les, as you know. How can history end any day? The history of mankind would not necessarily end if Noahs boat had capsized with all aboard lost at sea. I would hope that some observent others would keep journals for all time thus preserving the arrested (not ended) history of mankind. Would god not also remember, stupid question, god cannot forget, by definition. So I content that history (ours) can only end in extraordinary circumstances such as the total anihalation of this universe, but wait, what if the next universe mirrors our own would we not still be making history only left to right right to left like? As you may have already noted I have difficulty with an end of history of which I am sure we are just a footnote. I'm no longer sure that I'v disagreed with you, I'm no longer sure that I'v disagreed with you,I'm no longer sure that I'v disagreed with you,I'm no longer sure that I'v disagreed with you,I'm no longer sure that I'v disagreed with you,I'm no longer sure that I'v disagreed with you,I'm no longer sure that I'v disagreed with you,I'm no longer sure that I'v disagreed with you, hehe, roll em if you got em
 
Dexter Sinister
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by moha66 View Post

History could have ended the day Noah boarded the ark. The whole civilisation Man had succeeded in erecting was gone overnight. No cities, no palaces, no schools, no roads, no gardens- nothing survived the Deluge. Nothing but what was saved in the ark. Hence, history had a second chance to go on thanks to those saved in the ark.

You think this is history? If there had been a global flood there would be unmistakable signs of it in the geological record all over the planet. There are no such signs, only signs of local floods such as still happen today. Moreover, there are records of ancient civilizations unbroken over the supposed time period of the Deluge. It's also clear from molecular biology that there was never a time when the population of humans was reduced to eight people, nor was there ever a time when all other creatures were reduced to two (or seven, depending what version of the story you like) breeding pairs. It didn't happen. That isn't history, it's fiction, and the evidence clearly shows it to be fiction. Believing otherwise is indefensibly ignorant and stupid.
 
darkbeaver
#9
and fun
 
Dexter Sinister
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Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

... there's nothing wrong with harmless entertaining sillyness, the world needs more of it and less of the rest.

I've long suspected that was your major motive here.
 
Scott Free
#11
The flood story is far older than the bible adaptation. Here is the original: Ziusudra

As is the case with so much of Christianity the Noah myth was taken from a pagan tradition.
 
darkbeaver
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter Sinister View Post

I've long suspected that was your major motive here.

sshhh not so loud eh
 
moha66
#13
After reading the last comments I thought it might be interesting to copy-and-paste here older comments to the same topic.

:void(0)" target="_blank"> Roy P

>Islam is self-confident because the
>Koran says it is the true Word of God

So, of course, it *must* be true.

More bloody religion.

:void(0)" target="_blank"> Joobs

Well thanks for this but you do realise it contains quite a few lies and misleading statements. Why are you religious types such deceivers?
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Originally posted by LAGOUADER:
History could have ended the day Noah boarded the ark.

And you can prove the Ark and Noah really existed can you? Oh, that's right your religion tells you so it must be true.
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But the ark saved not only people, but also « two of every type of animal ».
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Oh, that's right this Ark which could contain 2 of every animal - What size was it again?
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King David and King Solomon.

Ah, that massive prosperous kingdom and its Kings of whom no trace has ever been found. Not a statue, not a temple, not a city, not a bit of pottery, not a scrap of evidence to say it existed except some dodgy religious texts. So again it must be true.
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The question is, why didn’t those « good » kingdoms last for ever ? Why were there « bad » kingdoms as well ? That’s a hard one to answer. But, interestingly, history gives us some clues.

An astounding conclusion, who would have thought that history would give us some clues to why some civilisation came and went. I do so love it when real intellectuals grace us with their wisdom. Interesting that the same history failed us with David and Solomon. Oh, well.
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Such tools may have included Phoenicians’ alphabet and Greeks’ logic. Thus non-believer nations were not « redundant ». They were just as useful as believer nations in that they contributed to the spread of belief in God.

Don't you mean "the spread of belief in your god". I may be wrong but the Phoenecians, Greeks, et al already had thriving religions.
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It is also interesting to notice that most of those early interactions between various contending nations took place just where Abraham was once : Palestine. The Egyptians, the Babylonians, the Persians, the Hittites, the Greeks, the Romans, and many more in between- all had a foothold there at some point in history. And then came the Arabs. They came from another place to where Abraham was once : Mecca. Those Arabs found themselves thrusting in every direction, going towards nations who had known impressive empires, and ended up building their own empire stretching across most of the then known world.

You forgot to mention the Jews in there mate. Oh, your an Arab so they don't count. No probs. So Abraham was an Arab was he?

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There followed a magnificent world interaction. The Arabs borrowed old, dormant knowledge from the Greeks, the Persians and other nations, and updated and enriched it, and then spread it in every direction. Baghdad emerged as the world capital of knowledge.

That Arab knowledge you mention is that the same stuff you "borrowed" from the Greeks, Persians. etc. So you borrowed it so it is now yours. Interesting concept, any chance of borrowing £1000 pounds from you? Baghdad was the world capital of Knowledge? Really, I take it your "world" doesn't include the Far East, I had always heard that China was pretty advanced for that period. But if you say so I suppose it must be true.
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...but Islamic knowledge survived.

And the Arab (borrowed) knowledge now becomes Islam's.
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Europe milked the Arabs of their knowledge and rebuilt itself in a matter of generations.

Oh, that's right the Arabs (or rather Moors) invaded a foreign country (Spain), fought amongst each other for power and wealth, even joined up in alliances with their enemies, the Christians, who eventually kicked them out and reclaimed their country. I note the Europeans also milked the Arabs of "their" knowledge, is that the same "milking" the Arabs did to the Greeks and all those other nations you alluded to "borrowing" knowledge from.
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But the Arabs’ knowledge was « poisonous » somehow. Averroes’ lectures taught Europeans how to look at religion differently.

Averroes knowledge had nothing to do with the Protestant/Catholic split.
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The new knowledge of the world, based on experimentation, led to the Industrial Revolution. The boom in industry led to the spread of knowledge on a phenomenal scale. But this knowledge remained confined to where industry was thriving.

The spread of knowledge in Europe was due in most part to the invention of the Printing Press and our European language. The reason knowledge did not spread well in Islam and the Far East was due to their languages being incompatible with that printing technology. Basically your books had to be hand written so new knowledge took ages to promulgate.
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The Church was clever enough to make good use of that thriving industry. Wherever there was a new industrial site there was a large church. Moreover, church men paved the way for their respective industrial states to seize new lands on other continents. Both church men and those who were only interested in wealth agreed on a magic word : civilisation. That civilisation had to be spread through occupation.

And what did you call the Moorish invasion of Spain, or the earlier conquests of Arabs. Obviously they weren't occupations, or were they? And didn't Arabs build mosques in every city of theirs (and others) When were the Mosques in Spain built and what about Jerusalem, didn't your lot build a mosque on top of an earlier jewish temple? Why did the Moors go to spain - purely altruism was it, nothing to do with wealth or power I suppose.
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Occupation made it possible for more people to go to more places. Africans « went » to America, taking with them their religions, including Islam. Other Muslims were taken into Europe, where they continued to practise their faith. Orientalists (from Europe) went to the Arab and Islamic world to « return » part of the Arabic and Islamic heritage to the newly awakening Arabs and Muslims.

Oh, lets not forget Islam's black brothers in Africa. Those fraternal mates which Arabs and Islam had long established a slave trade in. Later they went to America again as slaves when the Europeans got into the Slavery scene. Of course the Europeans abolished slavery as morally wrong but Arabs and Africans still do it - you must be so proud of yourselves. And that'll be the heritage that the Arabs earlier "borrowed" from others, is it.
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American-born imams who know the Koran and the Haddith by heart and are authorized to issue fatwas.

Well isn't that reassuring, after all we wouldn't want them to be powerless. Where would a poor cleric be if he couldn't incite the religious rabble to violence.
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a new mosque and a new school (where people are introduced to God)

Don't you mean "indoctrinated into your god"
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It is again interesting to remember that Islam entered many parts of the world without having to draw the sword for it. Indonesia and parts of sub-Saharan Africa are such places where Islam was introduced through trade rather than war.

Only because your religious expansion was relatively late in comparison to others. You certainly used the sword when it suited. Selective memory problem again.
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Truth will out !

Not from religion it won't.
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There will be hardly a place on earth where God won’t be known to Man.

Now that truly is a depressing thought. Oh, don't worry it won't happen because some religious fundamentalists of one type or another will probably have triggered an Atomic War before then - and all in the name of their god.
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One could imagine God saying then to Angels : « Did I not tell you that….

Given my last, Yes, I could imagine someone saying that at the end but it'll probably be an atheist not God.
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And then, « Islam will end up strange as it began strange ». A sad dénouement, isn’t it ?

Well you certainly are on the right track here.

:void(0)" target="_blank"> kevlar

Salaams Mohammed,

Personally I loved reading your post, it can give non-Muslims an incite into the Muslim psyche. I would love to read your thoughts on the dajal and the signs of the end of times. I think this would be very interesting for non-Muslims to hear as it has a relevance to how Muslims view the current situations.

For people like Joobs and Roy P, I think it is blatantly obvious that you are not going to change a believer into a athiest, and vice versa. So with this in mined maybe it would be better to say, Mmmmh, interesting, so thats how you percieve things. Now let me tell you how I percieve things. I think this is what Mohammed was trying to convey, that there is no problem with people advising each other and interacting with each other about there personal beliefs. The inhierant truth will rise without need for war, violence, insult or belittleing of others.

For Muslims they should read this post with a faith in thier beliefs, knowing it to be the truth and understanding the power of truth. The message we believe in is very powerful, far more powerful than any homemade bomb or pathetic hate filled banner. There are only two things that are powerful enough to bring down the Muslims and that is God and the Muslims. We are taught that if we abuse our religion almighty God will take it away from us and give to those more deserving. This has happened many times before and can happen again, so beware. It is us that is bringing disrespect to our religion, the cartoons would not have existed if members of our community had not engaged in terrorist activities. The time has come for the true nature of our religion to raise it's head, one of peace, unity and respect for our fellow man.

:void(0)" target="_blank"> Joobs
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Originally posted by kevlar:
Salaams Mohammed,

For Muslims they should read this post with a faith in thier beliefs, knowing it to be the truth and understanding the power of truth.
No it wasn't the truth there were many inaccuracies in it even leaving aside the religious nonsense like noah and arks (which only the religious believe to be true anyway).

What is honest about stating that the Arabs "borrowed" knowledge, but when it comes to others suddenly you give them "your" knowledge. Or the later statements that imply that Europeans somehow withheld knowledge from the Arabs and that later that knowledge was returning to its rightful owners. This is not truth but propoganda.

I could have exposed much more of the propogandist rubbish in that post but I just couldn't be bothered. Fine, if you like to read stuff which says your chosen religion is so great. That is merely reinforcing your own self delusion that your religion is great and good it is not facing the truth about history and your religions true part in it.

:void(0)" target="_blank"> kevlar

I think there may have been inaccuracies (or untruths as you put it), but that was not the jist of the post. I think you have got so hung up on the details you missed the point of the post. I have no problem in excepting the historical inaccuracies you point out. I bow down to your greater knowledge, but it's time to start looking at the deeper knowledge of human beings. What we aspire to, what it is within us that makes us interact in the way we do, how does our upbringing and socialization effect our relations with other people. These are the more important questions. For instance I find myself being drawn into an ego boosting dual with other people on the forum, for what? I feel good when someone else excepts my beliefs and negative feelings when they don't, why? We all have something to learn of each other and from learning about each other we learn about ourselves.

:void(0)" target="_blank"> kevlar
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Originally posted by TechMouse:
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Originally posted by kevlar:

it can give non-Muslims an incite into the Muslim psyche.
That's either a stunningly ironic pun, or a terribly freudian typo.

I'm not sure which.
Nearly as bad as the slip I nearly made before, caught it just in time: "as I said in the earlier threat(d)"!!!! The fundamentalist in me must be coming out.

:void(0)" target="_blank"> Joobs
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Originally posted by kevlar:
I think there may have been inaccuracies (or untruths as you put it), but that was not the jist of the post.

I know full well what the jist was - To say how great Islam is. However, those inaccuracies are pertinent since they colour the overall message and present Islam as some sort of benevolent religion. And what do you mean there may have been inaccuracies either there are or aren't, I pointed some out you can check. See even you, since you sympathise, are doing it - using misleading language.

Obviously as an atheist I don't agree that Islam is such a great thing (as with any religion). If the poster had acknowledged the truth of its history there would have been very little for me to critisise or comment on except that I believe all religions are wrong.

That he didn't, shows either ignorance of its true place in history or, if he does, he is deliberately lying. Given that he signs with a Morocco tag then one assumes he does know that the Moors actually invaded Spain not just went there as some benevolent dispensers of knowledge. Throughout his change of language when describing the west's "taking" and "Islam's" giving show bias.
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I think you have got so hung up on the details you missed the point of the post.

I got the point of it and I thought it was wrong by dishonestly presenting its case. If the case he is making is so strong and obvious then why lie.
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I have no problem in excepting the historical inaccuracies you point out. I bow down to your greater knowledge, but it's time to start looking at the deeper knowledge of human beings.

No don't bow down do my knowledge check it for yourself, verify if it is correct and then accept or reject it. This I'll just accept it because I have been told it is correct is the very thing which Religions prey on. They know most people do not actually check their claims or facts. Dump religion it has no deeper meaning. Everything it offers can be found in Philosophy. Other questions are answered by Science.

What we aspire to, what it is within us that makes us interact in the way we do, how does our upbringing and socialisation effect our relations with other people. These are the more important questions. And they can all be answered or debated without recourse to the mythologies of religion. If anything inserting religions just adds complications.
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For instance I find myself being drawn into an ego boosting dual with other people on the forum, for what? I feel good when someone else excepts my beliefs and negative feelings when they don't, why?

Because that is the way we are. We crave certain things due to our evolutionary legacy. Many of the emotions we experience actually have a very good reason merely related to our survival as a species. I personally get some amusement and sometimes frustration from it but not ego trip.
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We all have something to learn of each other and from learning about each other we learn about ourselves.

I quite agree we can learn from each other but not from religion it is essentially divisive.

:void(0)" target="_blank"> friend

I liked reading your post. Thanks

THANKS ONCE AGAIN FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
Mohamed-Morocco
http://arabicwithlagouader.blogspot.com/
 

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