Israel

Walter
+2
#91
Quote: Originally Posted by NZDoug View Post

Last week the family of Rachel Corrie, an American peace activist who was crushed to death by an Israeli military bulldozer in the Gaza Strip in 2003 while trying to protect a Palestinian house from demolition, appealed a civil suit to Israel’s high court. In 2012 parents Craig and Cindy Corrie lost a Haifa district trial. The judges ruled because Corrie, 23, was in a “combat zone,” the soldier who killed her and the Israeli military could not be held liable.
The video evidence at the beginning of the tape was marked by blurring” and it disappeared for seven days after it was discovered during the military investigation. Another video of Corrie’s final moments found by documentary filmmaker Simon Bitton and featured in the film “Rachel,” which is longer and in color, was never presented to the court. Furthermore, two 19-year old soldiers who the appeal alleges had “no experience in investigations” conducted the army review.
The soldier who drove over Corrie told army investigators in 2003 that he did not see her until after she was crushed. Corrie stood a mere 10 meters from the bulldozer driver in the seconds before he drove over her. State attorney’s also said from that distance “she yelled, but they [the soldiers] couldn’t hear.”
Corrie was dressed in a gray pullover with a bright orange hazard vest. Lawyers for her family said she had screamed along with other foreigners present. Yet the driver maintained he was not negligent because a mound of dirt blocked her from his line of sight. In the appeal, Abu Hussein presented photographs from before and after the Corrie’s death where there was no visible mound.
Lawyers representing the state argued that the cause of death was not being contested, the liability is. They maintained that Corrie was in a danger zone and so she alone was negligible for her own killing.

The presiding judges on the appeal will not convene a public hearing to deliver their verdict; it is to be delivered on the court’s website. “We don’t know when, it could be in one week, it could be in one month, it could be in one year,” said a spokesperson for the Corrie family.
more
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/05/israel...ly-corrie.html

Moral of the story, don’t stand in front of a bulldozer.
 
NZDoug
Free Thinker
-2
#92
Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

Moral of the story, don’t stand in front of a bulldozer.

Wrong, a lack of morals allows crimes like this to exist.
 
Walter
+2
#93
Quote: Originally Posted by NZDoug View Post

Wrong, a lack of morals allows crimes like this to exist.

Standing in front of a bulldozer is not a crime but it is a stoopid thing to do.
 
spilledthebeer
+2
#94
Quote: Originally Posted by NZDoug View Post

U.S. criminalising International Criminal Court because it wants to investigate U.S.and Israeli War Crimes.
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S vows to prevent ‘corrupt’ ICC from probing Americans, Israelis for war crimes
Secretary of State Pompeo says there will be ‘series of announcements’ aimed at preventing The Hague from opening investigations in Afghanistan, Palestinian territories
The US is about to launch a concerted effort to prevent the International Criminal Court from opening war crime investigations that could see American and Israeli officials in the dock in The Hague, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said Monday.
“I think that the ICC and the world will see that we are determined to prevent having Americans and our friends and allies in Israel and elsewhere hauled in by this corrupt ICC,” he told a podcast hosted by the American Enterprise Institute think tank.
“I don’t want to get ahead of the announcements we’re going to make in the coming days but I think you’ll see,” he said.
The ICC is currently weighing whether to open separate criminal investigations into the “situation in Afghanistan,” which could see UK and American troops tried for war crimes, and the “situation in Palestine,” which may result in Israelis and Palestinians being tried for war crimes.
“I’m very concerned about it,” Pompeo said. “You’ll see, in the coming days, a series of announcements, not just from the State Department, all across the United States government, that attempt to push back against what the ICC is up to.”
Neither the US nor Israel are members of the court and therefore reject the ICC’s attempt to exert criminal jurisdiction over their nationals.
“And under international law, one of the key features of exercise of power by a body such as the ICC is that you say yep, I want to be part of that. We never signed up for the [Rome Statue, the ICC’s foundational document],” the US top diplomat said.
“And now this court has become corrupted and is attempting to go after the young men and women of the United States of America who fought so hard… And they think that the ICC ought to be able to haul these young men and women in. We will never let that happen. We’re working along many fronts to prevent it from happening.”
Pompeo added: “They’re doing this not just to us, but to Israel, where they’re beginning to look into what took place in the West Bank. Again, it’s completely inappropriate. It’s completely inconsistent with international law. And it puts our young men and women at risk and it’s something President [Donald] Trump and our team aren’t going to permit to happen.
Pompeo has long fought the ICC’s efforts to pursue investigations into cases where Americans or Israelis are involved. Last month, after a brief visit to Israel, he issued a formal statement reiterating Washington’s “longstanding objection to any illegitimate ICC investigations” into Israel and threatening that any attempt to assert jurisdiction over Israelis would “exact consequences.”
It is now up to a pretrial chamber to rule on the matter. The three judges of that chamber — Péter Kovács of Hungary, Marc Perrin de Brichambaut of France and Reine Adélaïde Sophie Alapini-Gansou of Benin — have no set deadline to hand down their decision but are expected to do so in less than 90 days.
Israel argues that Palestine is not a sovereign state and therefore cannot transfer criminal jurisdiction over its territory to the Hague. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has repeatedly denounced the ICC and declared thwarting a possible war crimes probe one of the new government’s top priorities.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-vow...or-war-crimes/






Palestine IS CLEARLY NOT a sovereign state!



Palestinians REJECTED the Two State United Nations solution in 1948 when they went to war with Israel!


Worse yet - Palestinians CONTINUE TO REJECT the Two State Solution!


By repeatedly DENYING Israel has any right to exist!


If your thinking gets any more muddled - you will not even make sense TO YOURSELF!
 
Girth
#95
 
Girth
#96


Beautiful TEL AVIV at night.
 
NZDoug
Free Thinker
-2
#97
Quote: Originally Posted by Girth View Post


Beautiful TEL AVIV at night.

Every place is beautiful at night if your alive.
You fail to discuss anything except dirty girty or yawning photos.

Ya, me and the editors of Times of Israel and Jerusalem Post and the majority of Israeli citizens, along with 150 countries in the world against the annexation of the West Bank by the Israel "Defence" Force, are the big anti-semites.
Pompeo is telling Israel it cant have "ChYna" building a fresh water desalination plant if n Israel, but USA donates 38 billion per year, but Israel is selling drone technology to "ChYna"!
But Sheldon Adelson ,who gave $100 million to get Trump elected, finds Trump needs another $30 million from Sheldon for his election campaign.
Trump and Netanyahu are headed for jail, and Adelson makes all his moola from his gambling casinos in "ChYna".
Whos zoomin' who?
Trump Square means the death of Israel.
Business is business, homy.
 
DaSleeper
+3
#98
JOO hatred is strong in this one, Still channelling Mhz ?
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#99
Quote: Originally Posted by NZDoug View Post

Wrong, a lack of morals allows crimes like this to exist.


POOR blinkered Nut Zone Doug! He does not see the Muslim CRIME!


Palestininas could be peacefully enjoying their United Nations legitimized new state


IF ONLY THE DONKEYS had not refused to share!


Palestinians have repeatedly rejected the Two State Solution to all their problems!


PLO has maintained its pig headed stance with the support of VILE DICTATORS like Saddam Huessein and Daffy Ghadafi!


It IS A CRIME to do as Muslims do and swear to drive the Jews into the Sea!


It is general Muslim stubbornness and LUNATIC PLO pig headed BIGOTRY that keeps the violence fueled in Middle East!


THERE WILL BE PEACE in the Middle East - RIGHT AFTER Muslims stop being morons and



start dealing with Israel in some HONEST WAY!


Which means that there will very likely NEVER be peace in Middle East!
 
NZDoug
Free Thinker
-1
#100
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

JOO hatred is strong in this one, Still channelling Mhz ?

In Canada, yes.
"
A new poll found that three out of four Canadians want their government to oppose Israel’s proposed annexation West Bank, and almost half would support sanctions on the country over the issue.
The survey (which randomly sampled 1,000 random Canadians over the age of 1 was conducted by EKOS Research Associates and co-sponsored by Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East, Independent Jewish Voices Canada, and the United Network for Justice and Peace in Palestine-Israel. 74% of those surveyed “want the government to express opposition to Israeli annexation in some form” and 42% want economic or diplomatic sanctions placed on the country.
“These results prove that Canadians want more than words from Trudeau when it comes to opposing Israel’s annexation,” said Thomas Woodley, President of CJPME, in a press release. “Not only is it necessary to threaten sanctions to discourage annexation from taking place, but there is considerable support among the Canadian public to do so.”
This week the Canadian government lost its bid to join the UN Security Council, with Norway and Ireland prevailing over the country. Members of the Palestine Solidarity community opposed Canada being given a seat, based on its longtime support of Israeli aggression. An open letter signed by over 100 pro-peace organizations and prominent activists urged the Security Council to reject Canada’s bid:
The Canadian government for at least a decade and a half has consistently isolated itself against world opinion on Palestinian rights at the UN. Since coming to power – after the dubious record of the Harper government – the Trudeau government has voted against more than fifty UN resolutions upholding Palestinian rights that were backed by the overwhelming majority of member states. Continuing this pattern, Canada “sided with Israel by voting No” on most UN votes on the Question of Palestine in December. Three of these were Canada’s votes on Palestinian Refugees, on UNRWA and on illegal settlements, each distinguishing Canada as in direct opposition to the “Yes” votes of Ireland and Norway.
“During Trudeau’s time in power, Canada supported only one pro-Palestinian resolution at the General Assembly. It repeatedly chose to stand against nations’ attempts to condemn Israel for its human rights violations and illegal settlements, and support Palestinians’ struggle for rights and self-determination,” wrote Palestinian attorney Jonathan Kuttab at Al Jazeera."
https://mondoweiss.net/2020/06/major...email-mailpoet
 
Girth
+2
#101
The problem with Nut Zone Doug, is he opposed Jews in general. If it were up to NZDoug, this is where all Jews would be relocated to:

 
DaSleeper
+2
#102
You don't have to look to hard on the net to find people that would support hitler to-day!
 
Walter
+1
#103
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

You don't have to look to hard on the net to find people that would support hitler to-day!

Most progs come to mind.
 
spilledthebeer
+1
#104
Quote: Originally Posted by Girth View Post

The problem with Nut Zone Doug, is he opposed Jews in general. If it were up to NZDoug, this is where all Jews would be relocated to:




TRUE DAT!



Nut Zone Doug would be delighted to sacrifice whole train loads of people who merely voiced their opposition to his CRAP!


But then as we know - Chinese Chairman Mao delivered THIRTY MILLION Chinese to the GALLOWS



during the Great Leap Forward Five year economic plan!


And then he murdered millions more in later Pogroms!


While Our Pet - Pierre Trudope praised - IN WRITING -what he called the "Genius of Chairman Mao" for committing those


MASS MURDERS!


And Our idiot Boy Justin tells us "He likes the way the Chinese get things done"!
 
Serryah
Free Thinker
#105
Quote: Originally Posted by Girth View Post

The problem with Nut Zone Doug, is he opposed Jews in general. If it were up to NZDoug, this is where all Jews would be relocated to:


So is that everyone who opposes 'Jews', or just 'special' ones?

Cause I oppose Israel (wait, that's not Jews)
 
spilledthebeer
#106
Quote: Originally Posted by NZDoug View Post

Wrong, a lack of morals allows crimes like this to exist.






HEY LOOK AT THAT!


Nut Zone Doug ADMITS Muslims are immoral!


There WOULD BE PEACE in the Middle East if only Muslims would accept the TWO STATE SOLUTION!


But the plain FACT IS that Muslims remain committed to GRABBING TOTAL CONTROL!


There is NO REASON for Israel to wait forever for Muslims to come to their senses!


israel is moving forward to SEPARATE itself as fully as possible



and under the most secure situations - from their IRRATIONAL HATE FILLED Muslim ENEMIES!


No contact between Jews and Muslims means MINIMAL ISSUES as well!
 
Girth
+2
#107
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

So is that everyone who opposes 'Jews', or just 'special' ones?
Cause I oppose Israel (wait, that's not Jews)

That does not surprise me that you oppose the Jews having the right to their own state.

Progressives are a dime a dozen.
 
Serryah
Free Thinker
#108
Quote: Originally Posted by Girth View Post

That does not surprise me that you oppose the Jews having the right to their own state.

Progressives are a dime a dozen.


LOL


I don't oppose Jews having their own state.


I supported Israel for a long time before they skrewed it for themselves.



Notice I said Israel, not Jews.

There is a difference; it doesn't surprise me that you don't see that difference.
 
Girth
+2
#109
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

LOL
I don't oppose Jews having their own state.
I supported Israel for a long time before they skrewed it for themselves.
Notice I said Israel, not Jews.

Israel is the only Jewish state in the World. If you oppose the existence of the state of Israel, you oppose Jews having their own state.

I find it funny how you cherry pick history. It's ok for Muslim countries to commit ethnic cleansing against Jews, and expel nearly 1,000,000 people from Arab lands after 1948 by threat of death, simply for being Jewish.

IF you had any guts, you would go after China, Russia, Indonesia, Turkey, or any other nation with a poor human rights record. However, Jews are an easier target, and have always been historical scapegoats, going back to the Roman Empire.
 
DaSleeper
+2
#110
Now follow this..
Trump is a friend of Israel, so if one hates Trump one must also hate Israel.....see?
 
Girth
#111
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

Now follow this..
Trump is a friend of Israel, so if one hates Trump one must also hate Israel.....see?

Come again?
 
Serryah
Free Thinker
#112
Quote: Originally Posted by Girth View Post

Israel is the only Jewish state in the World. If you oppose the existence of the state of Israel, you oppose Jews having their own state.


You're as Blissful as Blackie, I swear.


It is the only Jewish state in the world, unfairly done and that's historical fact. But we must live with it. I don't oppose the existence of a homeland for Jews - aka the 'state of Israel' - I oppose what the leadership of the state of Israel currently handles things with the Palestinians.

I've posted repeated times on this topic that though I supported Israel for many years, their actions lately have shown they are just as malicious as those they say are terrorists, they are not interested in any peaceful solution in the Middle Ease and won't ever be interested in such until the current mindset of "We are Israel and We can do no wrong!" is done with.


Quote: Originally Posted by Girth View Post

I find it funny how you cherry pick history. It's ok for Muslim countries to commit ethnic cleansing against Jews, and expel nearly 1,000,000 people from Arab lands after 1948 by threat of death, simply for being Jewish.


Oh, you've proof that I said it was okay to this claim of yours? Show me, please, where I have cherry picked history and said it was okay for Muslims to do these things?

(btw, knowing your failure to produce proof whenever asked to do so, I won't hold my breath this time either.)


Quote: Originally Posted by Girth View Post

IF you had any guts, you would go after China, Russia, Indonesia, Turkey, or any other nation with a poor human rights record. However, Jews are an easier target, and have always been historical scapegoats, going back to the Roman Empire.


Girth... I DO.

I despise China - what they're doing to ANYONE that is not of Han Chinese descent is disgusting. Their concentration camps against the Yugur borders on Nazi tactics. Have you SEEN what happens to them? What's become of THEIR lands? What they're forced to deal with?

There is no exception either for Russia, Indonesia, Turkey, Iran, Saudi, Brazil and even the US and Canada for it's treatments of other people.

The only 'cherry picking' being done, is you.

And correction: Jews - and Christians before the Roman's adapted Christianity as the State Religion - were the scapegoated religions.

Then it was Islam that got added to the mix.

Do you know why that was? Historically speaking? Or are you just going to throw out dumbass excuses?
 
Girth
#113
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

I've posted repeated times on this topic that though I supported Israel for many years, their actions lately have shown they are just as malicious as those they say are terrorists, they are not interested in any peaceful solution in the Middle Ease and won't ever be interested in such until the current mindset of "We are Israel and We can do no wrong!" is done with.

How is that different than most countries in the World, especially the Middle East? The core of the Palestinian population has never wanted nor desired a two state solution. They want all Jews gone, and a unified Palestine, consisting of homogeneously of Arabs.

The Arab states have never been interested in Peace. They will only be happy when all Jews are pushed into the Sea, or expelled.
 
Serryah
Free Thinker
#114
Quote: Originally Posted by Girth View Post

How is that different than most countries in the World, especially the Middle East? The core of the Palestinian population has never wanted nor desired a two state solution.


Because it was their land taken from them and given to the Jews.



They've every right to dislike it.

It's different because it was a guilt "Gift" of land, plain and simple.


Quote: Originally Posted by Girth View Post

They want all Jews gone, and a unified Palestine, consisting of homogeneously of Arabs.


Yeah, they do.

And it won't happen.

Which is why they need to get over it.


Quote: Originally Posted by Girth View Post

The Arab states have never been interested in Peace. They will only be happy when all Jews are pushed into the Sea, or expelled.


The Jewish state has never been interested in Peace. They will only be happy when all the Arabs are pushed into the Sea or expelled.

Same song, different singers.

Which is my point.

In the end, NEITHER SIDE wants peace.

To think that Israel does and the Arabs don't is plain ignorance to the reality of things going on in Israel.
 
Girth
+1
#115
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

Because it was their land taken from them and given to the Jews.
They've every right to dislike it.
It's different because it was a guilt "Gift" of land, plain and simple.

This is not even close to being correct. The Jews were native to the Holy Land for thousands of years, until the Romans expelled them in 2nd century AD. 200 years ago, the population of Palestine was 200,000. The Ottoman Empire had neglected it for so long, that the population was sparse, and consisted of a large percentage of religious fanatics who wanted to live in the Holy Cities. It was not until the later part of the 19th Century where Jews and Arabs started migrating in droves to Palestine.

Long before the Holocaust, in 1917, the British (who had just conquered Palestine from the Ottomans), produced the "Balfour Declaration" which designated Palestine as a Jewish homeland. Jews started to migrate to Palestine in droves, escaping persecution in Europe. Unfortunately, the British were forced to rescind on the promise to the Jews, when Hitler and the Nazis started to threaten war, and replaced it with the "White Paper" which limited Jewish immigration, and gave the Arabs control of Palestine, to appease Muslims, so they did not side with Hitler.

After the war was over, the survivors of the Holocaust began to flood into Palestine illegally. The region was about to engage in a civil war, and the British, who were bankrupt from fighting Hitler, decided to relinquish most of their colonies, which included Palestine, and handed it over to the United Nations. IN 1947, the UN drew up a partition plan, which created two states, one for Jews and one for Arabs. The Jews accepted the plan, while the Arabs rejected it. Once the Jews declared Israel a country, they were invaded by Arab armies in the region. They emerged victorious, and ended up with more territory.

I am not sure why you say the Jews were given the land out of "sympathy" or as a "gift" but that is historically inaccurate.


Quote:

Which is why they need to get over it.

That is correct. The Palestinians need to get over the past.


Quote:

The Arab states has never been interested in Peace. They will only be happy when all the Jews are pushed into the Sea or expelled.

For once, I agree with you, Serryah.
 
gerryh
+2
#116
Quote: Originally Posted by Girth View Post

This is not even close to being correct. The Jews were native to the Holy Land for thousands of years, until the Romans expelled them in 2nd century AD. 200 years ago, the population of Palestine was 200,000. The Ottoman Empire had neglected it for so long, that the population was sparse, and consisted of a large percentage of religious fanatics who wanted to live in the Holy Cities. It was not until the later part of the 19th Century where Jews and Arabs started migrating in droves to Palestine.
Long before the Holocaust, in 1917, the British (who had just conquered Palestine from the Ottomans), produced the "Balfour Declaration" which designated Palestine as a Jewish homeland. Jews started to migrate to Palestine in droves, escaping persecution in Europe. Unfortunately, the British were forced to rescind on the promise to the Jews, when Hitler and the Nazis started to threaten war, and replaced it with the "White Paper" which limited Jewish immigration, and gave the Arabs control of Palestine, to appease Muslims, so they did not side with Hitler.
After the war was over, the survivors of the Holocaust began to flood into Palestine illegally. The region was about to engage in a civil war, and the British, who were bankrupt from fighting Hitler, decided to relinquish most of their colonies, which included Palestine, and handed it over to the United Nations. IN 1947, the UN drew up a partition plan, which created two states, one for Jews and one for Arabs. The Jews accepted the plan, while the Arabs rejected it. Once the Jews declared Israel a country, they were invaded by Arab armies in the region. They emerged victorious, and ended up with more territory.
I am not sure why you say the Jews were given the land out of "sympathy" or as a "gift" but that is historically inaccurate.
That is correct. The Palestinians need to get over the past.



None of that matters to a jew hater. I'm sure nzdoug is going to ecstatic to see that he has a new ally since mhz left.
 
Serryah
Free Thinker
#117
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh View Post

None of that matters to a jew hater. I'm sure nzdoug is going to ecstatic to see that he has a new ally since mhz left.


Are you saying I'm a Jew Hater, because I don't agree with Israel's current government and how it runs it's military, the abuses it carries out and gets away with?

You're amusing.
 
gerryh
+2
#118
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

Are you saying I'm a Jew Hater, because I don't agree with Israel's current government and how it runs it's military, the abuses it carries out and gets away with?
You're amusing.

Its exactley what you are. Your true colours are really coming out the last couple of days.
 
Serryah
Free Thinker
#119
Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh View Post

Its exactley what you are. Your true colours are really coming out the last couple of days.


True colors?

I haven't changed at all.


Not in my stance about Trans people, not in my stance about Israel.

Man, you get butthurt and you really burn with it.
 
gerryh
#120
Quote: Originally Posted by Serryah View Post

True colors?
I haven't changed at all.
Not in my stance about Trans people, not in my stance about Israel.
Man, you get butthurt and you really burn with it.

Then I haven't notice before now. Butthurt doesn't come into it. I would have to care about what you said, or think, I dont.

I care about what I think, and what my wife thinks, and that's it.

If you ask Ron and Petros, they'll tell you the same thing.

There is no butthurt here. It's not possible for any of you to do that. If it makes you feel better about yourself, or your position here to think you "butthurt" me, then have at it, little one.
 

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