Man says racial profiling led to ticket in Quebec


Praxius
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Man says racial profiling led to ticket in Quebec - CTV News

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MONTREAL — A black man says he's taking on Quebec police because he doesn't want his children -- or anyone else -- to have their nationality questioned as a result of their skin colour. "You can't have this happen," Joel Debellefeuille said in an interview Wednesday.

Debellefeuille was pulled over in July 2009 near Montreal, by a member of the Longueuil police force. When he glanced later at the police report, he discovered the reason the officer had pulled over his BMW: his Quebecois name apparently didn't match his skin tone.

At the time he was stopped, Debellefeuille was with his wife, step-daughter and two other family friends, all of whom are white.

The suburban father says he finally saw the report when he was in court last month to fight a $438 ticket for not showing his identification to a peace officer.

In the report, the officer explains why he pulled the man over: "Debellefeuille is a Quebecois name and not of another origin."

Longueuil police would not immediately comment on the allegations by Debellefeuille, who is taking the matter to Quebec's human rights commission and police ethics board.

"We treat everyone the same," said Const. Dominic Arseneault. He confirmed Longueuil police do not have policies on racial profiling or dealing with visible minorities.

Racial profiling has been a hot-button issue in Canada for years, affecting most big city police forces such as Toronto and Montreal.

Calgary police recently had a drug case thrown out when a judge ruled they had targeted a black man in a sting because of his colour.

This week, a federal Liberal candidate was forced to back down after she suggested on her Twitter page that she had seen examples of racism by the Calgary police. Opponents had called for her dismissal.

Debellefeuille, the manager of a freight transport company, said he felt insulted by police and that they couldn't justify their reasons for stopping him.

One officer wanted to know if he was the car's actual owner. The other officer said they'd seen his wife throw a cigarette butt from the car -- even though no one was smoking in the vehicle.

Debellefeuille said he would only provide his identification to a supervisor because he felt one of the officers was rude to him and did so when the superior officer arrived.

Debellefeuille said even the supervisor disappointed him when he checked his papers.
He says the supervisor told him, "'Mr. Bellefeuille, it's a privilege to drive a vehicle here in Quebec. When an officer asks you to show them your ID, you're supposed to show it.

"'If it had been me that stopped you, I would have put your ass in jail tonight. You're lucky'."

The police said they would send him tickets in the mail. The police also ticketed him for having expired insurance although Debellefeuille didn't fight that $52 fine because it was justified. His insurance had run out two days earlier.

The judge hearing the ticket case said he would rule in September.

Fo Niemi, executive director of Quebec's Centre for Research-Action on Race Relations, said it's unfortunately somewhat common to have police stop black men because they're suspicious about their name.

"What's uncommon is the police officer wrote that reason in the police report."

CRARR helped Debellefeuille draft his complaints to the human rights commission and police ethics board, alleging racial profiling, discriminatory and abusive policing through an unjustified stop, rude behaviour and an unjust fine.

"How many (reports) have these people written that are similar to this or worse than this?" Debellefeuille said Wednesday, adding he can't believe a supervisor likely approved it.

"It's clearly unacceptable."

Debellefeuille said the incident is driving him and his family "nuts." He said he was humilitated in front of his family and now is reliving the whole incident again.

Besides seeking $30,00 in damages, he wants to see changes in the way the police deal with visible minorities and see policies put in place. He said his wife is due to give birth soon and he wants his children to know their dad stood up for something.

Guess what? There's black people who have Irish and Scottish last names too.... did that ever occurred to these idiots?

And having information that they regularly profile people based on their race/skin color but don't normally put that down in writing says a lot.

Was he speeding or driving recklessly or did they just pull him over because he was simply black?

Chucking a cigarette butt out the window seems to be a pretty poor excuse, especially if they can't prove someone in the car smokes (ie: can cough up a pack of smokes somewhere in the car)
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by Praxius View Post

Man says racial profiling led to ticket in Quebec - CTV News

Guess what? There's black people who have Irish and Scottish last names too.... did that ever occurred to these idiots?

Probably not. Thank Gawd.

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And having information that they regularly profile people based on their race/skin color but don't normally put that down in writing says a lot.

LOL, I get pulled over in Quebec all the time. While oddly enough, I have relatives with the same last name as I on Cirque du Quebec.

Hmmm, I wonder if I get pulled over because my skin tone doesn't match my last name? Probably.

Then there's the fact that when I bought my car it was metallic purple. I had to drive it that colour until the spring, and I could get it painted. I was pulled over at least once a week.

Then there's my trips onto a couple local reserves. Where if I'm seen by the Rez cops, I get pulled over, actually hassled and escorted off the res. All without actually breaking any laws. But I'm an apple you see.

Go figure.

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Was he speeding or driving recklessly or did they just pull him over because he was simply black?

Or did they pull him over because the Officer made a judgment call, and thought that the car may have been stolen?
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Chucking a cigarette butt out the window seems to be a pretty poor excuse, especially if they can't prove someone in the car smokes (ie: can cough up a pack of smokes somewhere in the car)

I was pulled over by South Simcoe Police for having a cigarette wrapper fly out the window. He made me pick it up and ticketed me anyways.

Littering is littering. If you feel you're innocent, fight it in court. Don't whine at the media.

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Debellefeuille said the incident is driving him and his family "nuts." He said he was humilitated in front of his family and now is reliving the whole incident again.

Ya, it was so traumatic, he wanted the media to make everyone aware of it and have it broadcast it again and again...


I smell "You hurt my feelings, gimme money, that'll fix it".
 
karrie
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I've had people look past me in waiting rooms when I lived up north, because my skin colour didn't match their expectations given my last name. I even had one nurse, when my son was in the hospital, walk into the room, look at us, walk out again, walk back in all confused, look at my son, look at me, and state "You're not the right colour, what's going on?" She sat and quizzed me on why my baby and I were so white... me she could get, married into the name right, by my kid should have been part native by her expectation, and she made no secret of stating that fact. But, since I'm white, it's not 'offensive', right? If I went to court to say I'd had my background and race all questioned due to not meeting someone's narrow expectation, I'd be laughed at.
 
AnnaG
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lmao
I'd love to see the faces of people like this when they see their first blonde-haired, blue-eyed, monolingual (Spanish-speaking) Mexican. Actually, Les had a pretty good look on his face when he saw one. lmao I wasn't shocked because I've seen blonde-haired and grey-eyed Anish.
 
CDNBear
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I chalk it up to "Sh!t happens", because it does.

Roll with it and keep on keepin' on. Or buck up against it and whine when it bites back.

Same reason when I'm asked to exit my vehicle by the Police, I immediately without being asked, kneel, cross my ankles, place my hands behind my head and lace my fingers.

I'm big, I have a record and I know what they're thinking, "Gun, Pepper spray, or tazor?"

Why don't I just remove the question entirely. That way sh!t doesn't happen to me.

Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG View Post

lmao
I'd love to see the faces of people like this when they see their first blonde-haired, blue-eyed, monolingual (Spanish-speaking) Mexican. Actually, Les had a pretty good look on his face when he saw one. lmao I wasn't shocked because I've seen blonde-haired and grey-eyed Anish.

How about red headed, pale faced card carrying Mi'kmac?
 
karrie
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Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG View Post

lmao
I'd love to see the faces of people like this when they see their first blonde-haired, blue-eyed, monolingual (Spanish-speaking) Mexican. Actually, Les had a pretty good look on his face when he saw one. lmao I wasn't shocked because I've seen blonde-haired and grey-eyed Anish.

I've gone to school with treaty kids who were more pale than me, and I'm a ghost compared to my native cousins.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by karrie View Post

I've gone to school with treaty kids who were more pale than me, and I'm a ghost compared to my native cousins.

LOL, my half brothers self proclaimed members of the MWS are actually considered Metis, but look more "Native" then I do, a card carrying "Injun".

Talk about messed up eh?
 
karrie
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lol... you still look (to me anyway) pretty native, but that's probably largely because I learned to look for face shape and stuff too, rather than just colour. What I find messed up is how much importance some people place on it all.

Who cares if the guy in the seat matches the name on the plate if the car isn't stolen? Who cares if the baby in the crib doesn't look like the kids you're used to seeing with that last name? WTF people, we've had a few decades now of people all mixing and mingling, get used to it.
 
CDNBear
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Quote: Originally Posted by karrie View Post

lol... you still look (to me anyway) pretty native, but that's probably largely because I learned to look for face shape and stuff too, rather than just colour. What I find messed up is how much importance some people place on it all.

Who cares if the guy in the seat matches the name on the plate if the car isn't stolen? Who cares if the baby in the crib doesn't look like the kids you're used to seeing with that last name? WTF people, we've had a few decades now of people all mixing and mingling, get used to it.

Getting used to it, takes some getting used to.

LOL
 
AnnaG
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Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear View Post

I chalk it up to "Sh!t happens", because it does.

Roll with it and keep on keepin' on. Or buck up against it and whine when it bites back.

Same reason when I'm asked to exit my vehicle by the Police, I immediately without being asked, kneel, cross my ankles, place my hands behind my head and lace my fingers.

I'm big, I have a record and I know what they're thinking, "Gun, Pepper spray, or tazor?"

Why don't I just remove the question entirely. That way sh!t doesn't happen to me.

How about red headed, pale faced card carrying Mi'kmac?

Red-haired, yes. Pale-faced, yes. Both, yes. I don't know any Mikmac.

Quote: Originally Posted by karrie View Post

lol... you still look (to me anyway) pretty native, but that's probably largely because I learned to look for face shape and stuff too, rather than just colour. What I find messed up is how much importance some people place on it all.

Definitely.

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Who cares if the guy in the seat matches the name on the plate if the car isn't stolen? Who cares if the baby in the crib doesn't look like the kids you're used to seeing with that last name? WTF people, we've had a few decades now of people all mixing and mingling, get used to it.

One of the people that owned this land before Les & I was named Wong. He was a white caucasoid Anglican from England. I thought that was really cool.
 
EagleSmack
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Guess what? There's black people who have Irish and Scottish last names too.... did that ever occurred to these idiots?

Hundreds of thousands of African-Americans have Irish, English or Scottish names. They took the last names of their owners and that was that.

Reminds me of a funny story as a Marine. One Marine asked our corporal...

"Cpl. Parker...You're Irish right? Isn't Parker an Irish name?"

"Irish? Do I look Irish to you? That's a slaaaaave name."
 
karrie
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I have a friend who's black Irish... when we first were introduced we were talking about our backgrounds etc., and he said "Im Irish"... then he looked at hubby and asked, "Why is your wife trying not to laugh?" But, having seen Charlie's Angels, and Bernie Mac doing his whole black Irish bit, I couldn't hold it in. I looked like an ass, but, thankfully, he got it when I explained.
 
AnnaG
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Quote: Originally Posted by karrie View Post

I have a friend who's black Irish... when we first were introduced we were talking about our backgrounds etc., and he said "Im Irish"... then he looked at hubby and asked, "Why is your wife trying not to laugh?" But, having seen Charlie's Angels, and Bernie Mac doing his whole black Irish bit, I couldn't hold it in. I looked like an ass, but, thankfully, he got it when I explained.

huh?
 
DurkaDurka
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Of course, buddy is seeking a payout for his "suffering". He loses any sympathy from me right there.
 
karrie
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Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG View Post

huh?

have you seen the Charlie's Angels movie?
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by karrie View Post

I have a friend who's black Irish... when we first were introduced we were talking about our backgrounds etc., and he said "Im Irish"... then he looked at hubby and asked, "Why is your wife trying not to laugh?" But, having seen Charlie's Angels, and Bernie Mac doing his whole black Irish bit, I couldn't hold it in. I looked like an ass, but, thankfully, he got it when I explained.

An Irishman who is black... or "Black Irish"? I am one of those Black Irish folks. Black Irish meaning I am of the genes of Irish that mixed with the Spanish when thousands of them were washed ashore in Ireland after the Brits sunk the Spanish Armada. Dark hair, I can tan in the summer, etc. No red heads and fair skinned Anglos in my gene pool on my father's side. My Mother's side are Newfies of Irish descent.
 
AnnaG
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have you seen the Charlie's Angels movie?

I don't think so. I saw a couple episodes of the tv show on a retro channel. It looked pretty goofy.
 
DurkaDurka
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Just so I'm not confused here, your definition of Black Irish being a dark haired, Caucasian person of Irish descent?
 
karrie
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Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

An Irishman who is black... or "Black Irish"? I am one of those Black Irish folks. Black Irish meaning I am of the genes of Irish that mixed with the Spanish when thousands of them were washed ashore in Ireland after the Brits sunk the Spanish Armada. Dark hair, I can tan in the summer, etc. No red heads and fair skinned Anglos in my gene pool on my father's side. My Mother's side are Newfies of Irish descent.

a black man who's Irish.
 
DurkaDurka
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Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

An Irishman who is black... or "Black Irish"? I am one of those Black Irish folks. Black Irish meaning I am of the genes of Irish that mixed with the Spanish when thousands of them were washed ashore in Ireland after the Brits sunk the Spanish Armada. Dark hair, I can tan in the summer, etc. No red heads and fair skinned Anglos in my gene pool on my father's side. My Mother's side are Newfies of Irish descent.

I share the "black irish" with you, Eagle. Dark haired and I tan.
 
AnnaG
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Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

An Irishman who is black... or "Black Irish"? I am one of those Black Irish folks. Black Irish meaning I am of the genes of Irish that mixed with the Spanish when thousands of them were washed ashore in Ireland after the Brits sunk the Spanish Armada. Dark hair, I can tan in the summer, etc. No red heads and fair skinned Anglos in my gene pool on my father's side. My Mother's side are Newfies of Irish descent.

It's funny, but Mum never heard the term till she left C. Galway and came to North Am. lol She says it wasn't a familiar term in the area she came from.
 
karrie
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Geez, I can't even find any quotes from the damn movie... *sigh*

Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG View Post

It's funny, but Mum never heard the term till she left C. Galway and came to North Am. lol She says it wasn't a familiar term in the area she came from.

I hadn't heard it until today... frankly it still doesn't make much sense to me, since most Irish people I know aren't red heads or fair skinned. Why would you need a term for normal diversity?
 
DurkaDurka
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"
Black Irish is a traditional term commonly used among Irish American communities; it ascribes to a dark brown or black hair phenotype appearing in people of Irish descent. This can be distinguished in contrast to the (lighter) brown, blond, or red hair color variant, the latter stereotypically perceived to personify the look of typical Irish folk.[1][ dead link ]
The term 'Black Irish' is ambiguous and not frequently used in everyday conversation. People from different locales and at alternate junctures in history have coined it for varying reasons. Likewise, there are those whose opinions differ as to the typical physical characteristics of so-called Black Irish: e.g., dark hair, brown eyes, and medium skin tone; or dark hair, blue or green eyes, and fair skin tone.
More recently, genetic studies have provided new insights into the heritage of Irish people as well as their neighbors from the British Isles. Researchers suggest that migrations from Prehistoric Iberia can be viewed as the primary source for their genetic material, having demonstrated marked similarities with modern representatives of the aforementioned time period in that of the Basque people. Proponents of these findings dismiss the influence of better known historic migrations of Roman, Anglo-Saxon, and Norman invaders as having had a lesser impact on overall genetics of the populations."

Black Irish - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
AnnaG
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Quote: Originally Posted by karrie View Post

a black man who's Irish.

Like that movie with Samuel Jackson in it where he wears a kilt and carries a golf club everywhere? That was hilarious.
 
DurkaDurka
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Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG View Post

Like that movie with Samuel Jackson in it where he wears a kilt and carries a golf club everywhere? That was hilarious.

OMG YOU'RE RACIST, DO YOU THINK BLACK PEOPLE EXIST TO MAKE YOU LAUGH????????????????????????/
 
karrie
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Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG View Post

Like that movie with Samuel Jackson in it where he wears a kilt and carries a golf club everywhere? That was hilarious.

This one has Bernie Mac trying to convince a group of Irishmen that he's a member of their union if I recall correctly. He goes on a big rant about being black and Irish... it was funny.
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG View Post

It's funny, but Mum never heard the term till she left C. Galway and came to North Am. lol She says it wasn't a familiar term in the area she came from.

Even funnier when my father was in the Navy and in Spain an older Spanish woman upon hearing he was Irish and seeing his features said something and it was translated back to him...

"My grandmother says that it looks like you have a little Spanish in you."

"Because of my skin?"

...translated...

"She says yes your skin but it is mostly your eyes. She says welcome home."

My Dad said she was nodding approvingly. I always liked that story.
 
AnnaG
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Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurka View Post

OMG YOU'RE RACIST, DO YOU THINK BLACK PEOPLE EXIST TO MAKE YOU LAUGH????????????????????????/

Partially. lmao That should read, however, "OMG you're racist, do you think humanity exists to make you laugh?" lol

Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

Even funnier when my father was in the Navy and in Spain an older Spanish woman upon hearing he was Irish and seeing his features said something and it was translated back to him...

"My grandmother says that it looks like you have a little Spanish in you."

"Because of my skin?"

...translated...

"She says yes your skin but it is mostly your eyes. She says welcome home."

My Dad said she was nodding approvingly. I always liked that story.

Yeah, it is kind of nice.
There's evidence that the Celts also interbred with Kurds, too. That'd add a little alternative genetic color, also.
 
karrie
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my aunt was from stright up French stock, but, she turned out so olive skinned and dark haired, that when married my uncle, it was constantly just assumed she was native too. Genes are a funny thing sometimes.
 
EagleSmack
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Quote: Originally Posted by karrie View Post




I hadn't heard it until today... frankly it still doesn't make much sense to me, since most Irish people I know aren't red heads or fair skinned. Why would you need a term for normal diversity?

On my mother's side...red heads LITTER the whole family. LOL. Fiery redheads too! Gingers for sure! All from Newfoundland, or I should say my Mom's parent's were.
 

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