Non-belief is the fastest growing category of belief; Islamists are worried


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Non-belief is the fastest growing category of belief; Islamists are worried

Fifty years ago, after the cracking of the genetic code, Francis Crick was so confident religion would fade that he offered a prize for the best future use for Cambridge’s college chapels. Swimming pools, said the winning entry. Today, when terrorists cry “God is great” in both Paris and Bamako as they murder, the joke seems sour. But here’s a thought: that jihadism may be a last spasm — albeit a painful one — of a snake that is being scotched. The humanists are winning, even against Islam.

Quietly, non-belief is on the march. Those who use an extreme form of religion to poison the minds of disaffected young men are furious about the spread of materialist and secularist ideas, which they feel powerless to prevent. In 50 years’ time, we may look back on this period and wonder how we failed to notice that Islam was about to lose market share, not to other religions, but to humanism.

The fastest growing belief system in the world is non-belief. No religion grew nearly as fast over the past century. Whereas virtually nobody identified as a non-believer in 1900, today roughly 15 per cent do, and that number does not include soft Anglicans in Britain, mild Taoists in China, lukewarm Hindus in India or token Buddhists in Japan. Even so, the non-religious category has overtaken paganism, will soon pass Hinduism, may one day equal Islam and is gaining on Christianity. (Of every ten people in the world, roughly three are Christian, two Muslim, two Hindu, 1.5 non-religious and 1.5 something else.)

This is all the more remarkable when you think that, with a few notable exceptions, atheists or humanists don’t preach, let alone pour money into evangelism. Their growth has come almost entirely from voluntary conversion, whereas Islam’s slower growth in market share has largely come from demography: the high birth rates in Muslim countries compared with Christian ones.

And this is about to change. The birth rate in Muslim countries is plummeting at unprecedented speed. A study by the demographer Nicholas Eberstadt three years ago found that: “Six of the ten largest absolute declines in fertility for a two-decade period recorded in the postwar era have occurred in Muslim-majority countries.” Iran, Oman, the United Arab Emirates, Algeria, Bangladesh, Tunisia, Libya, Albania, Qatar and Kuwait have all seen birth-rate declines of more than 60 per cent in 30 years.

Meanwhile, secularism is on the rise within Muslim majority countries. It is not easy being a humanist in an Islamic society, even outside the Isis hell-holes, so it is hard to know how many there are. But a poll in 2012 found that 5 per cent of Saudis describe themselves as fully atheist and 19 per cent as non-believers — more than in Italy. In Lebanon the proportion is 37 per cent. Remember in many countries they are breaking the law by even thinking like this.

That Arab governments criminalise non-belief shows evidence not of confidence, but of alarm. Last week a court in Saudi Arabia sentenced a Palestinian poet, Ashraf Fayadh, to death for apostasy. In 2014 the Saudi government brought in a law defining atheism as a terrorist offence. Abdel Fattah al-Sisi’s government in Egypt, though tough on Islamists, has also ordered two ministries to produce a national plan to “confront and eliminate” atheism. They have shut down a café frequented by atheists and dismissed a college librarian who talked about humanism in a TV programme.

Earlier this month there was yet another murder by Islamists — the fifth such incident — of a Bangladeshi publisher of secularist writing. I recently met one of the astonishingly brave humanist bloggers of Bangladesh, Arif Rahman, who has seen four colleagues hacked to death with machetes in daylight. He told me about Bangladesh’s 2013 blasphemy law, and the increasing indifference or even hostility of the Bangladeshi government towards the plight of non-religious bloggers. For many Muslim-dominated governments, the enemy is not “crusader” Christianity, it is home-grown non-belief.

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Humanism is growing faster than Islamism | Matt Ridley
 
Twila
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Nice to see reason and logic gaining ground. Will be nice to see the faery tales laid to rest beside greek and scandinavian mythology.
 
Machjo
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Non-belief is preferable to fanaticism in the name of religion.
 
Ludlow
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Wouldn't non belief disqualify itself from the category of belief? The statement makes no sense.
 
Twila
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ludlow View Post

Wouldn't non belief disqualify itself from the category of belief? The statement makes no sense.

well some believe atheism is a religion. Those who have belief are sometimes incapable of believing that someone could have no belief so that lack of belief must be a belief of some kind.
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ludlow View Post

Wouldn't non belief disqualify itself from the category of belief? The statement makes no sense.

The statement is a reflection of the religion of science... Go back far enough and the prevailing wisdom was that the universe was Earth-centric and our planet was flat.

The Church of Global Warming is a real testament to this new religion and as is the fanaticism of its followers
 
DaSleeper
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

The statement is a reflection of the religion of science... Go back far enough and the prevailing wisdom was that the universe was Earth-centric and our planet was flat.

The Church of Global Warming is a real testament to this new religion and as is the fanaticism of its followers

Especialy if you look at the number off threads started by the religious nutters like selfsame; french patriot et al
And the global warming threads started by the likes of Mentalfluff a confirmed atheist.....
 
Ludlow
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Quote: Originally Posted by Twila View Post

well some believe atheism is a religion. Those who have belief are sometimes incapable of believing that someone could have no belief so that lack of belief must be a belief of some kind.

Oh, I believe that I do not believe. Okay now it makes sense.
 
DaSleeper
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And I sometimes wonder why Atheists study and argue the Bible so much....

 
Glacier
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Islam is the fastest growing religion in Canada and indeed the entire western world. Much faster than non-belief. Why would the Isamists be worried about that?
 
darkbeaver
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Humanism is the new bane of species. The pandered philosophy of human exceptionalism in an infinite universe.
 
Twila
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Quote: Originally Posted by Glacier View Post

Islam is the fastest growing religion in Canada and indeed the entire western world. Much faster than non-belief. Why would the Isamists be worried about that?

good question. But when it becomes a crime to NOT be religious, that's a sure sign of fear.
 
captain morgan
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When was the legislation tabled for debate that would criminalize those that do not subscribe to any religion
 
davesmom
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I firmly believe that organized religion is on the decline. I'm not so sure about 'belief'.
If Muslims are worried about growing non-belief that would be an incentive to shy away from Islam, imo. Why would a body of the faithful be concerned about what others outside their faith believe or don't believe? Couldn't they just quietly believe what they want and live their lives according to their beliefs and let others do the same?

It must be that an important part of their religion demands that they inflict their beliefs on the rest of the population. Otherwise they would not be worried what non-Muslims are doing. They just wouldn't care as long as the law allows them to keep their beliefs.
 
darkbeaver
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Quote: Originally Posted by Twila View Post

good question. But when it becomes a crime to NOT be religious, that's a sure sign of fear.

r
Non-belief is a crime against self. The search for God is complementry to self awareness. It's very much the truth that major organized religion has poisoned religion and plainer still that none of these organizations are at all religious. This new direction that can make you believe that you do not believe is exotic nonsence from a place that isn't.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Glacier View Post

Islam is the fastest growing religion in Canada and indeed the entire western world. Much faster than non-belief. Why would the Isamists be worried about that?

Converts to Islam are converting because they have the belief that it is a peaceful religion, that it will enrich their lives. When they realize that it is not exactly as they were led to believe they might wish to take a different path. Sadly, Muslims don't take kindly to deserters. To attempt to leave Islam is punishable by death in most Islamic countries.
 
darkbeaver
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Quote: Originally Posted by davesmom View Post

Converts to Islam are converting because they have the belief that it is a peaceful religion, that it will enrich their lives. When they realize that it is not exactly as they were led to believe they might wish to take a different path. Sadly, Muslims don't take kindly to deserters. To attempt to leave Islam is punishable by death in most Islamic countries.

So your attempt to leave would be successful. And that is punishment?
 
davesmom
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Quote: Originally Posted by Twila View Post

good question. But when it becomes a crime to NOT be religious, that's a sure sign of fear.


To not be religious is a crime in most Islamic countries or to be religious in another faith than Islam. Those crimes are punishable by death.
Is it a sign of fear or a method of keeping a hold of power over the masses? I think that most organized religions are motivated by the latter.
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

r
Non-belief is a crime against self. The search for God is complementry to self awareness. It's very much the truth that major organized religion has poisoned religion and plainer still that none of these organizations are at all religious. This new direction that can make you believe that you do not believe is exotic nonsence from a place that isn't.

The search for a gawd is a sign of lack of belief in self.
 
AnnaG
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hehe Older dictionaries say that atheism was a belief that there were no deities.
I suppose that some people that call themselves "atheist" believe there are no deities and, on the other hand, some people are just absent of a belief altogether.
I will stick with agnosticism.
 
mentalfloss
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Don't stop
belieeeeevin'
 
AnnaG
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Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver View Post

r
Non-belief is a crime against self. The search for God is complementry to self awareness.

haha
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by davesmom View Post

To not be religious is a crime in most Islamic countries or to be religious in another faith than Islam. Those crimes are punishable by death.

What a load. There is exactly one Islamic country, Saudi Arabia, where it is arguably a crime to not be a Muslim, and even there private worship in other faiths is permitted, it is public expression that is forbidden. That's out of 47 majority-Islamic countries, which I suppose would be "most," if you're bad at math.

According to the U.S. State Department, of the eight worst countries for religious freedom, four are majority Islamic. Two are officially atheist, one is majority Buddhist, and one is majority Christian.

https://www.indexoncensorship.org/20...gious-freedom/

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Is it a sign of fear or a method of keeping a hold of power over the masses?

There's a difference?
 
darkbeaver
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

The search for a gawd is a sign of lack of belief in self.

Hey that's a great point, see when you lay off the bottle for a while you get smarter. The self is not a self contained thing though, the self is completly at the mercy of the whole. The self that cannot acknowlege it's dependence on the whole is not with us long. The self is a fraction of that whole and not the whole itself. To be only centered on self is to be lost.
 
taxslave
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I don't do bottles. Straight from the nipple buddy.
 
AnnaG
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US State Department? Is that not related to the Nervous Schizoid Agency (AKA Navel Studying Academy, etc.) and the Completely Imbecilic Agency?

 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG View Post

US State Department? Is that not related to the Nervous Schizoid Agency (AKA Navel Studying Academy, etc.) and the Completely Imbecilic Agency?

Um. . . no. But thanks for playing.
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Um. . . no. But thanks for playing.

Good thing otherwise it would be an incestuous relationship.
 
AnnaG
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haha

Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Um. . . no. But thanks for playing.

Oh, right. They are DoD outfits, not State Dept. Sorry
lol
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG View Post

haha

Oh, right. They are DoD outfits, not State Dept. Sorry
lol

Um. . . no, but thanks for playing.
 

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