J.Assange Legal Problems Inteeensify


Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#1

WikiLeaks��s Julian Assange hit with U.S. charges, court filing reveals


In a development that could significantly advance the probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election and have major implications for those who publish government secrets, the founder of WikiLeaks has been charged under seal, prosecutors inadvertently revealed in a recent court filing from another case.

The disclosure came in a case unrelated to Assange. Assistant U.S. Attorney Kellen S. Dwyer, urging a judge to keep the matter sealed, wrote that, ��due to the sophistication of the defendant and the publicity surrounding the case, no other procedure is likely to keep confidential the fact that Assange has been charged.�� Later, Dwyer wrote the charges would ��need to remain sealed until Assange is arrested.��


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...ational&wpmk=1
 
Dixie Cup
Conservative
+2
#2  Top Rated Post
They simply won't give up will they? They are determined to prove Trump was in collusion with Russia even tho' they have found nothing to date. It must be driving them crazy!!!
 
Hoid
#3
Assange is about a lot more than Trump, speaking of not being able to talk about anything but Trump.
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#4
The U.S. has prepared an indictment against Julian Assange of WikiLeaks. A case against him could have implications for the Russia inquiry.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/16/u...s&ref=headline


..this could get interesting..
 
White_Unifier
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze View Post


WikiLeaks��s Julian Assange hit with U.S. charges, court filing reveals

In a development that could significantly advance the probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election and have major implications for those who publish government secrets, the founder of WikiLeaks has been charged under seal, prosecutors inadvertently revealed in a recent court filing from another case.
The disclosure came in a case unrelated to Assange. Assistant U.S. Attorney Kellen S. Dwyer, urging a judge to keep the matter sealed, wrote that, ��due to the sophistication of the defendant and the publicity surrounding the case, no other procedure is likely to keep confidential the fact that Assange has been charged.�� Later, Dwyer wrote the charges would ��need to remain sealed until Assange is arrested.��
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...ational&wpmk=1

I don't see how US law could apply to Assange when Assange never set foot in the US. He may have violated other countries' laws, perhaps, but not US law.

If, sitting in front of my computer in Canada, I hack into the CIA's database, steal a bunch of CIA data, and publish it, I might have broken a plethora of Canadian laws perhaps, but no US law since I wouldn't have been in the US when I'd committed the act.

The same in reverse. If, sitting in front of my computer in the US, I hack into the RCMP database, steal of bunch of info and publish it, while I might violate all kinds of US laws, I couldn't break any Canadian law since I wouldn't even have been in Canada when I'd have committed the act.
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

I don't see how US law could apply to Assange when Assange never set foot in the US. He may have violated other countries' laws, perhaps, but not US law.

If, sitting in front of my computer in Canada, I hack into the CIA's database, steal a bunch of CIA data, and publish it, I might have broken a plethora of Canadian laws perhaps, but no US law since I wouldn't have been in the US when I'd committed the act.

The same in reverse. If, sitting in front of my computer in the US, I hack into the RCMP database, steal of bunch of info and publish it, while I might violate all kinds of US laws, I couldn't break any Canadian law since I wouldn't even have been in Canada when I'd have committed the act.

Unless that hacking is breaking international laws.(agreements) It might depend on how the hacked (target) interprets the action...(ie "threat to national security" ?? or ..some other spin the US will put on it. Not sure of the technicalities.

Assange has been virtually on "house arrest" for years now.
 
Hoid
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

I don't see how US law could apply to Assange when Assange never set foot in the US. He may have violated other countries' laws, perhaps, but not US law.

If, sitting in front of my computer in Canada, I hack into the CIA's database, steal a bunch of CIA data, and publish it, I might have broken a plethora of Canadian laws perhaps, but no US law since I wouldn't have been in the US when I'd committed the act.

The same in reverse. If, sitting in front of my computer in the US, I hack into the RCMP database, steal of bunch of info and publish it, while I might violate all kinds of US laws, I couldn't break any Canadian law since I wouldn't even have been in Canada when I'd have committed the act.

that's why if you you commit bank fraud using a computer in another country you are free and clear.
 
Kreskin
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

I don't see how US law could apply to Assange when Assange never set foot in the US. He may have violated other countries' laws, perhaps, but not US law.
If, sitting in front of my computer in Canada, I hack into the CIA's database, steal a bunch of CIA data, and publish it, I might have broken a plethora of Canadian laws perhaps, but no US law since I wouldn't have been in the US when I'd committed the act.
The same in reverse. If, sitting in front of my computer in the US, I hack into the RCMP database, steal of bunch of info and publish it, while I might violate all kinds of US laws, I couldn't break any Canadian law since I wouldn't even have been in Canada when I'd have committed the act.

RCMP servers I'm sure are in Canada. It doesn't matter where you're sitting if your hands are on their assets which were stolen from Canada. Same would apply with Assange and digital information stolen from the US.
 
MHz
#9
I quit listening when he didn't do a 9/11 breakdown, Snowden either.
 
White_Unifier
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

that's why if you you commit bank fraud using a computer in another country you are free and clear.

In what country is bank fraud legal?
 
MHz
#11
Based on the charges and prosecution history Iceland would be the only one that qualifies as not being a safe haven.
 
Hoid
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

In what country is bank fraud legal?

you will need to work out the details on your own.

i have merely summarized your hypothesis
 
White_Unifier
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

you will need to work out the details on your own.
i have merely summarized your hypothesis

It's pretty simple really. If I'm standing on the Canadian side of the border,take aim at someone on the US side of the border, fire and strike him dead, did I break Canadian or US law?
 
Hoid
#14
both
 
White_Unifier
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

both

So I should be punished twice?
 
Hoid
#16
So you shouldn't?
 
White_Unifier
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

So you shouldn't?

Why double jeopardy? If I'm in Canada and murder someone in Canada, then I'd be punished only once. If I'm in the US and murder someone in the US, I'd be punished only once. So why should I be punished twice just because the bullet crossed a border?

To take another example: My business is located in Ontario but my business website which anyone in Quebec can access fails to conform to Quebec's Bill 101. Should the OQLF have the power to cross the border into Ontario and impose a fine on me for having violated Quebec laws when I might not have ever in my life set foot on Quebec soil?
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#18
3 new things to know about Assange and the Mueller investigation

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nat...oyN/story.html
 
Hoid
#19
Trump will be lucky to get out of his term without impeachment.

Looks like Romney in 2020
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#20
WikiLeaks��s Assange arrested after eviction from Ecuador��s embassy in London


Ecuador said it was rescinding asylum for Julian Assange because of his ��discourteous and aggressive behavior�� and for violating the terms of his asylum. The WikiLeaks founder has long feared extradition to the United States, which has been investigating him for espionage, the publication of sensitive government documents and coordination with Russia.

source: WAPO



Sounds like the isolation has begun to get to Assange. His behavior has been deteriorating recently........with him spreading feces on walls of his suite. He looks gaunt......bearded and quite poorly. He was evicted from the embassy due to his abnormal behavior.

The US was ready for him. What happens to the rape case now?
 
Blackleaf
#21
Imagine spending seven years inside a building of your own accord. What a numpty.

It reminds me of Saddam being pulled out of his hole.
 
White_Unifier
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

Imagine spending seven years inside a building of your own accord. What a numpty.
It reminds me of Saddam being pulled out of his hole.

And then there's still the rape charge in Swden. I don't know if he's guilty or innocent, but it would have been far less painful to just go to Sweden, stand trial, take whatever decision the judge makes, and then move on. If he was innocent (or for that matter, guilty but with little proof of it), he would have walked away sooner to continue his life.
Last edited by White_Unifier; Apr 11th, 2019 at 06:02 PM..
 
Hoid
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

And then there's still the rape charge in Swden. I don't know if he's guilty or innocent, but it would have been far less painless to just go to Sweden, stand trial, take whatever decision the judge makes, and then move on. If he was innocent (or for that matter, guilty but with little proof of it), he would have walked away sooner to continue his life.

they dropped those charges long ago.
 
White_Unifier
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

they dropped those charges long ago.

Oh right, I remember that now.
 
Blackleaf
+2
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

And then there's still the rape charge in Swden. I don't know if he's guilty or innocent, but it would have been far less painful to just go to Sweden, stand trial, take whatever decision the judge makes, and then move on. If he was innocent (or for that matter, guilty but with little proof of it), he would have walked away sooner to continue his life.

If he didn't do it then why run from the law?

As for the Swedish charges, they were dropped not because they think him innocent but because of some legal technicality.
 
White_Unifier
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackleaf View Post

If he didn't do it then why run from the law?
As for the Swedish charges, they were dropped not because they think him innocent but because of some legal technicality.

I'll give the benefit of the doubt. There could be different reasons for which even an innocent person would not want to stand trial, but I agree that it definitely raises suspicions. If innocent, it's not wise to try to avoid trial without a really good explanation.
 
Blackleaf
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

I'll give the benefit of the doubt. There could be different reasons for which even an innocent person would not want to stand trial, but I agree that it definitely raises suspicions. If innocent, it's not wise to try to avoid trial without a really good explanation.

It reminds me of the Thames speedboat killer, who fled to Georgia despite protesting his innocence.

Assange now faces six months' jail in Britain for skipping bail.
 
Blackleaf
#28
Julian Assange 'must face Swedish justice' if country asks, say MPs

BBC News
13 April 2019



More than 70 MPs have signed a letter urging the home secretary to ensure Julian Assange faces authorities in Sweden if they request his extradition.

The Wikileaks founder, who is now in UK custody, was arrested on Thursday after years in Ecuador's London embassy.

Sweden is considering whether to reopen an investigation into rape and sexual assault allegations against him.

And the US is seeking his extradition in relation to one of the largest ever leaks of government secrets, in 2010.

The whistle-blowing website Wikileaks has published thousands of classified documents covering everything from the film industry to national security and war.

The Swedish case

Assange sought refuge in the Ecuadorian embassy in 2012 to avoid extradition to Sweden over allegations of sexual assault, which he has denied.

At the time, the Australian-born 47-year-old said he had had entirely consensual sex with two women while on a trip to Stockholm, and that the Swedish claims against him were part of a smear campaign.

Swedish prosecutors dropped a rape investigation into Assange in 2017 because they were unable to formally notify him of the allegations while he stayed in the embassy.

Two other charges of molestation and unlawful coercion had to be dropped in 2015 because time had run out.

But Swedish prosecutors say they are now re-examining Assange's case at the request of the lawyer acting for the alleged rape victim.

In their letter to both Sajid Javid, 70 parliamentarians - chiefly Labour MPs - urged them to "stand with the victims of sexual violence" and ensure the rape claim against the Wikileaks founder could be "properly investigated".

"We do not presume guilt, of course, but we believe due process should be followed and the complainant should see justice be done," it says.

Labour's Stella Creasy tweeted a copy of the letter sent to Mr Javid and Ms Abbott.

On Friday evening, shadow foreign secretary Emily Thornberry said he should be extradited to Sweden before any attempt to get him to the US. She said she was "disgusted" the US allegation had been "allowed to eclipse" the sex offence case.

The arrest



Assange was dramatically arrested by UK police on Thursday after Ecuador abruptly withdrew its asylum.

Westminster Magistrates' Court found him guilty of a charge of breaching bail later that day. He faces up to 12 months in prison for that conviction.

The MPs' letter says both UK and US authorities seem to have been aware in advance of Ecuador's decision to rescind Mr Assange's political asylum, but said it was a matter of "grave concern" that Swedish authorities did not appear to be aware of the impending arrest.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47917325
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#29
It sounds like he acted like a complete wanker in the Equadorian embassy. He's getting what he deserves.

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/...fZh?li=AAggFp4
 
Blackleaf
#30
I wonder what's going to happen to his beloved cat.

It's probably off for a spell in Battersea.
 

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