Ford government admits they can't do what they promised


mentalfloss
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Ontario minister admits Ford government broke election promise by scrapping basic income project

An Ontario minister admits the new government has backtracked on a campaign promise to keep the province's basic income pilot project in place.

Social Services Minister Lisa MacLeod blamed the "realities" the Progressive Conservatives faced, upon coming into power last month, for the decision she announced on Tuesday.

"[There's] the decision in the campaign and then you find the realities of when you're in government," MacLeod told reporters on Wednesday, restating her intent to "come up with a better plan in 100 days."

It marks the first broken promise of Premier Doug Ford's government.

"My commitment to the people of Ontario, particularly the people who are most vulnerable, is that we will get it right," MacLeod said.

"I, in good conscience, could not proceed on the patchwork of systems that the Liberals had in place."

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4770772
 
Walter
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Ford is MOGA.
 
mentalfloss
#3
You're a choda.
 
DaSleeper
#4
More

 
mentalfloss
#5
Less

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque
 
mentalfloss
#6
Ford is losing his base.

Basic income recipients feel shock, betrayal at Ford government’s surprise move to cancel pilot program
https://www.thestar.com/amp/news/que...t-program.html
 
mentalfloss
#7
Now she's calling it fake news.

These guys are a complete mess and they haven't even started yet lol

‘We did not break a promise’ by cancelling basic income project, social services minister insists
https://www.thestar.com/amp/news/que...r-insists.html


The Liberals were no where near as incompetent as this.
 
mentalfloss
#8
Now she's calling it fake news.

These guys are a complete mess and they haven't even started yet lol

‘We did not break a promise’ by cancelling basic income project, social services minister insists
https://www.thestar.com/amp/news/que...r-insists.html


The Liberals were no where near as incompetent as this.
 
Hoid
#9
Orange Wave.

btw the decision was taken prior to receiving the data.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/basic...ncel-1.4771343

in the end what are we talking about? 4,000 people?
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
+3
#10
Oh gawd, the trumhaters weren't satisfied with projection on normal people, now they are all about transference of their boogieman face onto everyone they HATE.

Geeze! Quick, they need help! GET THEM SOME DOCTORS!!!! Has any one seen a podiatrist? It's a liberally applied mental emergency!

WE ALREADY KNOW THIS DIMWIT COMMUNIST EXPERIMENT DOESN'T WORK!!!

Basic income doesn’t work, Antwerp research suggests

The study, led by a poverty specialist, showed that giving all working-age citizens a basic wage actually increased poverty and had only a minor effect on inequality
http://www.flanderstoday.eu/basic-in...earch-suggests

Why Finland’s Basic Income Experiment Isn’t Working
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/20/o...ic-income.html


But the fliebarrels want to keep repeating the same mistake again and again...and again...
...and again...insanely...and again...

I guess one would have to be VERY imbalanced to think budgets will balance themselves!
Last edited by Danbones; Aug 3rd, 2018 at 08:06 AM..
 
Walter
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Ford is MOGA.
 
Hoid
#12
Ford has no need of research to justify his decisions.
 
Walter
#13
Ford to roll out buck-a-beer plan Tuesday
https://torontosun.com/news/provinci..._autoplay=true

Why is any gubmint telling manufacturers what they can charge for their product.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

Ford to roll out buck-a-beer plan Tuesday
https://torontosun.com/news/provinci..._autoplay=true

Why is any gubmint telling manufacturers what they can charge for their product.

That's what the LCBO, Brewer's Retail have been doing for many decades. Now, the new Crown Regulatory Authority for Pot (CRAP) will be doing it, all over again again.
 
Walter
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Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

That's what the LCBO, Brewer's Retail have been doing for many decades. Now, the new Crown Regulatory Authority for Pot (CRAP) will be doing it, all over again again.

Why?
 
White_Unifier
#16
I'm in two minds about the project and figure that until I'm sure we should go ahead with it, it might be better to hold off on it. However, there is the important point that if he promised it, he should go ahead with it or he should not have promised it. Sure if some of his caucus never promised it and so want to oppose it, by all means. But those MPs that promised it should support it or resign. It's the principle of the matter here. It seems like it doesn't matter what politician we vote for, regardless of party, we can never know if they'll keep a damn promise.

Quote: Originally Posted by Walter View Post

Ford to roll out buck-a-beer plan Tuesday
https://torontosun.com/news/provinci..._autoplay=true

Why is any gubmint telling manufacturers what they can charge for their product.

Are you an alcoholic?
 
Walter
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

Are you an alcoholic?

Only when I drink.
 
White_Unifier
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by Danbones View Post

Oh gawd, the trumhaters weren't satisfied with projection on normal people, now they are all about transference of their boogieman face onto everyone they HATE.

Geeze! Quick, they need help! GET THEM SOME DOCTORS!!!! Has any one seen a podiatrist? It's a liberally applied mental emergency!

WE ALREADY KNOW THIS DIMWIT COMMUNIST EXPERIMENT DOESN'T WORK!!!

Basic income doesn’t work, Antwerp research suggests

The study, led by a poverty specialist, showed that giving all working-age citizens a basic wage actually increased poverty and had only a minor effect on inequality
Basic income doesn

Why Finland’s Basic Income Experiment Isn’t Working
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/20/o...ic-income.html


But the fliebarrels want to keep repeating the same mistake again and again...and again...
...and again...insanely...and again...

I guess one would have to be VERY imbalanced to think budgets will balance themselves!

Interesting links. They don't quite say that the basic income doesn't work but rather that the experiments are too flawed for us to draw any clear conclusion from them. I still think though that if we go down that route, we should plan it well. I don't mind giving a person a hand up, but I don't want my taxes going towards paying for booze, tobacco, cannabis, lottery tickets and hookers.
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by Danbones View Post

Oh gawd, the trumhaters weren't satisfied with projection on normal people, now they are all about transference of their boogieman face onto everyone they HATE.

Geeze! Quick, they need help! GET THEM SOME DOCTORS!!!! Has any one seen a podiatrist? It's a liberally applied mental emergency!

WE ALREADY KNOW THIS DIMWIT COMMUNIST EXPERIMENT DOESN'T WORK!!!

Basic income doesn’t work, Antwerp research suggests

The study, led by a poverty specialist, showed that giving all working-age citizens a basic wage actually increased poverty and had only a minor effect on inequality
Basic income doesn

Why Finland’s Basic Income Experiment Isn’t Working
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/20/o...ic-income.html


But the fliebarrels want to keep repeating the same mistake again and again...and again...
...and again...insanely...and again...

I guess one would have to be VERY imbalanced to think budgets will balance themselves!

Basic income works just fine. For those that don't work. For taxpayers not so much.
 
White_Unifier
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

Basic income works just fine. For those that don't work. For taxpayers not so much.

Some people can't work or are unlucky in life. I accept that. the idea of just giving them money still worries me though. while some are poor through no fault of their own, others would just blow that money on who knows what addiction.

I'd rather give them education than money. That way we know the money's more likely to go to productive use.
 
Jinentonix
No Party Affiliation
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#21
Kind'a hard to keep any promises when it comes to existing programs considering the absolute f*cking mess the Liberals left province's finances in.
 
White_Unifier
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Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

Kind'a hard to keep any promises when it comes to existing programs considering the absolute f*cking mess the Liberals left province's finances in.

He did have the choice of not making that promise.
 
Bar Sinister
No Party Affiliation
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Why is anyone surprised that Doug Ford has already broken an election promise?
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
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Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

Some people can't work or are unlucky in life. I accept that. the idea of just giving them money still worries me though. while some are poor through no fault of their own, others would just blow that money on who knows what addiction.

I'd rather give them education than money. That way we know the money's more likely to go to productive use.

That was supposed to be a thumbs up. I'm good with a hand up. It is hand outs that I have a problem with.

Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

Why is anyone surprised that Doug Ford has already broken an election promise?

Better question is why is anyone surprised that when he got a look at the books he found there is no possible way to carry on with the program.

In any event we already have a guaranteed basic income called welfare. All you have to do is get your worthless ass to the government office and they will cut you a cheque.
 
Jinentonix
No Party Affiliation
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Quote: Originally Posted by White_Unifier View Post

He did have the choice of not making that promise.

What, like Trudeau and his election reform? How many idiots bought into that lie despite the fact the PM does not have the power to unilaterally change the electoral process.
In the run up to the 2014 election the Wynned Bag promised to reduce insurance rates by 15%. Didn't happen. There was only a 6.6% reduction. When the Wynned Bag was challenged on it, she blew it off by saying that 15% was a "stretch goal". Well she certainly didn't tell us that BEFORE she was elected. In other words, she made a promise she knew she was unlikely to keep.

In 2014, in raising the minimum wage from $10.25 an hour — where the Liberals had kept it since 2010 — to $11 an hour, Wynne promised that going forward, hikes to the minimum wage would be predictable and linked to inflation, to be fair to employers as well as employees.

But, heading into the June election, Wynne announced a 31.6% hike to the minimum wage over 15 months, a direct contradiction of her earlier commitment and an obvious political move to force Ontario’s employers to pay for her attempt to buy the votes of minimum wage workers.

And then we have Dalton McGuinty, who came to power in 2003 promising not to raise taxes. Even made a big to-do about signing a pledge with the Ontario Taxpayer's Federation before introducing the single largest tax hike in Ontario history.

It's one thing to make a promise and then have to back down because of outside circumstances. It's quite another to make a promise knowing full well you have no ****ing intention of keeping said promise.

Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

Why is anyone surprised that Doug Ford has already broken an election promise?

Were you surprised and all sarcastic when the Ontario Liberals broke election promises almost immediately after getting elected? Or is this just part of your partisan routine?
 
spilledthebeer
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

What, like Trudeau and his election reform? How many idiots bought into that lie despite the fact the PM does not have the power to unilaterally change the electoral process.
In the run up to the 2014 election the Wynned Bag promised to reduce insurance rates by 15%. Didn't happen. There was only a 6.6% reduction. When the Wynned Bag was challenged on it, she blew it off by saying that 15% was a "stretch goal". Well she certainly didn't tell us that BEFORE she was elected. In other words, she made a promise she knew she was unlikely to keep.

In 2014, in raising the minimum wage from $10.25 an hour — where the Liberals had kept it since 2010 — to $11 an hour, Wynne promised that going forward, hikes to the minimum wage would be predictable and linked to inflation, to be fair to employers as well as employees.

But, heading into the June election, Wynne announced a 31.6% hike to the minimum wage over 15 months, a direct contradiction of her earlier commitment and an obvious political move to force Ontario’s employers to pay for her attempt to buy the votes of minimum wage workers.

And then we have Dalton McGuinty, who came to power in 2003 promising not to raise taxes. Even made a big to-do about signing a pledge with the Ontario Taxpayer's Federation before introducing the single largest tax hike in Ontario history.

It's one thing to make a promise and then have to back down because of outside circumstances. It's quite another to make a promise knowing full well you have no ****ing intention of keeping said promise.

Were you surprised and all sarcastic when the Ontario Liberals broke election promises almost immediately after getting elected? Or is this just part of your partisan routine?


WE should consider that trying to hold Ford to a promise that was made based on LIE-beral LIES - is hypocrisy on the part of LIE-berals!!!!


Ford has had time enough in office to begin unravelling the LIE-beral sh+t show and he is not liking what he sees!!!!!!!


In spring 2018- Wynne-bag LIE-berals produced THREE SEPARATE SETS of LIES related to their balanced budget that was really ANYTHING BUT BALANCED!!!!!!!!


LIE-beral "guaranteed income" games are nothing but more smoke and mirrors!!!!!!!!!


Economists told us that if LIE-beral style "guaranteed income" was implemented right across Canada it woukld cost us another $76 billion dollars!!!!


The LIE-beral "guaranteed income" is as useful as the LIE-beral minimum wage increase!!!!! The wage increase killed entry level jobs for Cdn young people who are burning mad at LIE-berals for abandoning them to crappy McJobs; and for the illegals who are coming here- that LIE-berals desperately want to get working so welfare rolls will not be hammered by teeming hordes lounging around at our expense!



That oh so NOT GENEROUS LIE-beral wage increase gave workers the privilege of paying higher income taxes, higher contributions to unemployment insurance that most cannot claim for themselves, higher Canada Pension Plan contributions, and of course the REAL REASON for the wage increase was to make it LOOK LESS UGLY as LIE-berals gave new GOBS OF GRAVY to their civil service union Hog supporters!!!!!


Anything a LIE-beral gives has strings attached - its all in one poket and out the other!!!!!!!!!!!!


And even the Hogs have awakened to the LIE-beral duplicity- its why Wynne-bag LIE-berals LOST so much support and NDP airheads GAINED IT!


Civil service Hogs re desperately hoping that NDPers can supply more gravy than LIE-berals!!!!


The kind of people who believe LIE-berals are honest money managers are the same deluded folks who thought a "guaranteed income" might actually mean something good!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Bar Sinister
No Party Affiliation
+1
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Actually I don't pay much attention to Ontario politics, but when a blowhard conturd like Ford comes along I am always interested in seeing how many of his promises he can keep.
 
pgs
Free Thinker
+2
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Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

Actually I don't pay much attention to Ontario politics, but when a blowhard conturd like Ford comes along I am always interested in seeing how many of his promises he can keep.

By not paying attention you are sure the duely elected Premier of Ontario is a blowhard Contard .I wonder how you would feel if you were paying attention ?
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
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#29
broke
 
MHz
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#30
So are they simply incompetent or was the program designed to fail so nobody else would try it.
It should have been a nation wide test program where a person with a Canadian Birth Certificate gets a yearly amount from the Fed Gov. At the end of the year all a person's other income is added in and when you get above a certain level the basic income starts coming off as it is a fund to bring everybody up to the poverty line. Lots of complaints about what AISH pays but nobody mentions that it is still about $5,000 below the poverty line. Should somebody like Walter endrd up on it he would be pushing for the raise, until then it is money going to the useless eaters.