Why Socialism will never work...


Dixie Cup
Conservative
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An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.
The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on this plan". All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A (substituting grades for dollars - something closer to home and more readily understood by all).
After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.

The second test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.
As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.
To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.


These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read and all applicable to this experiment:
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.
I think this explains it quite nicely.



































 
Danbones
Free Thinker
+1
#2
Why socialism always fails

Given the recent resurgence of socialism, especially as it is now being embraced by young Americans, I thought it might be a good time to re-visit my 1995 essay to review why socialism: a) failed in the 20th century, b) is failing in the 21st century (e.g. Venezuela, see photo above), and c) will always fail. And that’s because it’s a flawed system based on completely faulty principles that aren’t consistent with human behavior and can’t nurture the human spirit.

Why socialism always fails - AEI

Often it's because they have to kill off all the smart people first to get into power.
 
justlooking
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#3
Quote: Originally Posted by Dixie Cup View Post

An economics professor at a local college



Wish there were more teachers like him.

 
Danbones
Free Thinker
#4
Unionized ( if you can't do - TEACH!) teachers are a big part of the problem.
 
Hoid
#5
Capitalism is all about giving poor people the chance to get rich.

When you pervert it and it becomes about giving rich people the chance to gt richer it will also fail.
 
Tecumsehsbones
+2
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Capitalism is all about giving poor people the chance to get rich.

No it isn't. It's about the owners of capital being entitled to the profits of that capital. You can read Adam Smith cover to cover and you will never once find a statement that the purpose of capitalism is to give the poor a chance to become rich.

Quote:

When you pervert it and it becomes about giving rich people the chance to gt richer it will also fail.

Oddly, Smith did address that, though people who quote The Wealth of Nations without having read it don't seem to understand that.

Smith freely recognize the abuses of capitalism and stated that government regulation was the best, and only, way to deal with the abuses.
 
Angstrom
No Party Affiliation
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by Dixie Cup View Post

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.
The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on this plan". All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A (substituting grades for dollars - something closer to home and more readily understood by all).
After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.

The second test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.
As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.
To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.


These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read and all applicable to this experiment:
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.
I think this explains it quite nicely.



































Communist ideologues would still like to have a basic income here in Canada. Its coming, ask Mentalflake
 
Hoof Hearted
+1 / -1
#8
Capitalism creates enclaves of the ultra rich.

Socialism creates ghettos of the ultra poor.

We need something in-between...Capocialism...or somethin like that.
 
Hoid
#9
In Canada the Fiscal conservative/social Liberal is the centrist ideal
 
Angstrom
No Party Affiliation
#10
Or we can make our currency worthless and print billions and be a communist country. Wait a minute. Thats what we already are doing.

As long as its not me paying for it, im in. Let the Chinese pay for our communism

I wonder how long it will take them to realize our money is worthless?
 
Walter
#11
https://www.investors.com/politics/e...-of-socialism/
 
Kreskin
+2
#12
If there no such thing as people looking after the needs of others then every estate should just pay down the national debt rather than be passed on to non earners. Time for everyone to earn their income and not have it given to them.
 
Angstrom
No Party Affiliation
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by Kreskin View Post

If there no such thing as people looking after the needs of others then every estate should just pay down the national debt rather than be passed on to non earners. Time for everyone to earn their income and not have it given to them.



You don’t get it at all do you. All you are creating is a boom in the hidden money account businesses.
And you’re spending billions trying to enforce it. You probably would lose money in the bureaucratic process.

You Communist will never get it. You can’t regulate yourself into prosperity. Regulations cost alot of money to constantly police.

And people will always find a loophole
 
Alternative
#14
Left wing in politic Socialism in trust in Sweden.

Maybe in France.

And Canada also for sure.

 
captain morgan
Bloc Québécois
+1
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by Kreskin View Post

If there no such thing as people looking after the needs of others then every estate should just pay down the national debt rather than be passed on to non earners. Time for everyone to earn their income and not have it given to them.

All of those estates paid, and continue to pay taxes to float many boats.

Being jealous of someone that inherits assets isn't the answer
 
Angstrom
No Party Affiliation
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan View Post

All of those estates paid, and continue to pay taxes to float many boats.

Being jealous of someone that inherits assets isn't the answer

Poor people hate wealthy people. All communists know that
 
OpposingDigit
+1 / -2
#17
Socialism must be a pretty good economic system, because whenever it raises it head, the Capitalists enter the scene and begin to cause dissention and civil unrest within any country which chooses socialism. Military threats are made by the Capitalists which force the socialist country to invest heavily into the military rather than to feed its people.

I don't think that I can recall any socialist country where the Capitalists did not use a "Socialist Army" of recruits to attack the competing system of Socialism. The Capitalists have a "Socialist Army" because the U.S. military is given all the necessities of life from cradle to grave.

I am convinced that the Socialist System must be a rather good system because it is viewed as such a threat by the Capitalists.

I often wonder that if the Socialist System is such a poor system, why don't the Capitalists simply let the socialist country just fail on its own rather than to assist or hurry it along?

Calm
 
pgs
Free Thinker
+2
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by OpposingDigit View Post

Socialism must be a pretty good economic system, because whenever it raises it head, the Capitalists enter the scene and begin to cause dissention and civil unrest within any country which chooses socialism. Military threats are made by the Capitalists which force the socialist country to invest heavily into the military rather than to feed its people.

I don't think that I can recall any socialist country where the Capitalists did not use a "Socialist Army" of recruits to attack the competing system of Socialism. The Capitalists have a "Socialist Army" because the U.S. military is given all the necessities of life from cradle to grave.

I am convinced that the Socialist System must be a rather good system because it is viewed as such a threat by the Capitalists.

I often wonder that if the Socialist System is such a poor system, why don't the Capitalists simply let the socialist country just fail on its own rather than to assist or hurry it along?

Calm

Go live in Cuba for a year on a Cubans salary , then come back and tell us how marvelous socialism is . North Korea is another option .
 
OmegaOm
-1
#19
Capitalism doesn't work either.
 
Angstrom
No Party Affiliation
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#20
Quote: Originally Posted by OmegaOm View Post

Capitalism doesn't work either.

Capitalism doesn’t work in the same way nature doesn’t work

Its base on the same principles of nature
 
Alternative
#21
Capitalism does work for rich.
 
Angstrom
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#22
Quote: Originally Posted by Alternative View Post

Capitalism does work for rich.

The same way nature works for the resourceful.
 
OpposingDigit
+1 / -1
#23
Hi! PGS

Both countries you mentioned have been continually threatened by the U.S. Capitalists since time began.

Find me one single solitary country on the face of this earth which was allowed to prosper while enjoying a socialist system? Find me a country in this universe where any socialist country was "Allowed" to fail on its own which would then prove that Socialism is faulty? Every country which I can think of which attempted to practice Socialism had the Capitalists doing everything in their power to destroy it or to nip it in the bud.

I think that Socialism must be a more reasonable system, and it is just that the Capitalists can not afford to allow it to succeed and thus shame the Capitalists into surrender.

Calm
 
Angstrom
No Party Affiliation
+1
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by OpposingDigit View Post

Hi! PGS

Both countries you mentioned have been continually threatened by the U.S. Capitalists since time began.

Find me one single solitary country on the face of this earth which was allowed to prosper while enjoying a socialist system. Find me a country in this universe where any socialist country was "Allowed" to fail on its own which would then prove that Socialism is faulty?

I think that Socialism must be a more reasonable system, and it is just that the Capitalists can not afford to allow it to succeed and thus shame the Capitalists into surrender.

Calm

Capitalism works against communism the same way nature works against communism.

Survival of the wrong & the weak is beneficial to no one. Its how nature has worked for billions of years

If Communism is right then the whole universe is wrong
 
Mowich
Conservative
+1
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by OpposingDigit View Post

Hi! PGS

Both countries you mentioned have been continually threatened by the U.S. Capitalists since time began.

Find me one single solitary country on the face of this earth which was allowed to prosper while enjoying a socialist system? Find me a country in this universe where any socialist country was "Allowed" to fail on its own which would then prove that Socialism is faulty? Every country which I can think of which attempted to practice Socialism had the Capitalists doing everything in their power to destroy it or to nip it in the bud.

I think that Socialism must be a more reasonable system, and it is just that the Capitalists can not afford to allow it to succeed and thus shame the Capitalists into surrender.

Calm

Obviously you missed this the first time so here's another chance for you to open your mind about why socialism will always fail.

These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read and all applicable to this experiment:
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

I think this explains it quite nicely.
 
Kreskin
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by Angstrom View Post



You don’t get it at all do you. All you are creating is a boom in the hidden money account businesses.
And you’re spending billions trying to enforce it. You probably would lose money in the bureaucratic process.

You Communist will never get it. You can’t regulate yourself into prosperity. Regulations cost alot of money to constantly police.

And people will always find a loophole

You've become quite an expert googling finance from your mom's basement.
 
Angstrom
No Party Affiliation
+2
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by Kreskin View Post

You've become quite an expert googling finance from your mom's basement.

If someone truly deserves to be poor, to live in difficulties because of choices. How will he learn he is making bad choices if there are no natural consequences because we steal from the rich to give to the poor who deserve to be the way they are?

Will the benefits to society from helping the poor who don’t deserve to be poor outweigh, the negative consequences of helping the poor who deserve to be poor? And will the growing population of people who stop making good decisions for themselves because of the hard work it takes to do so not eventually compromise the whole system?

Or is it the whole universe and how it works with consequences that push living things to make intelligent decisions that is wrong and communism will solve the huge failing disaster that is known as the universe and nature?
 
Walter
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Quote: Originally Posted by OmegaOm View Post

Capitalism doesn't work either.

http://www.prageru.com/videos/if-you...ove-capitalism

Quote: Originally Posted by Alternative View Post

Capitalism does work for rich.

It werks for all.
 
Kreskin
+1
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by Angstrom View Post

Poor people hate wealthy people. All communists know that

Neither me or my wife received anything from anybody in our lives. We worked hard to get where we are and its probably a lot further than you. Having handled everything from estates to investments to mortgage lending over a 30+-year career in my observation no one has a sense of entitlement like estate beneficiaries who have never amounted to anything on their own but have an internet connection and post complaints about people who are less fortunate that could use help.

I don't want or need help. My point is the idealogues who complain that about everyone being communist should look within and assess how they got to where they are.
 
MHz
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Go live in Cuba for a year on a Cubans salary , then come back and tell us how marvelous socialism is . North Korea is another option .

The only report available would be about what life is like under US sanctions. Almost 60 years and they still can't break Cuba. lol.
 

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