The Mask Gets Ripped Off Yet Another Carbon Tax Lie


Colpy
Conservative
+8
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The nationally vaunted “revenue-neutral” B.C. carbon tax has finally taken off its mask. It is now just another bare-faced tax grab designed to pinch money from residents’ wallets and plunk it into government coffers.


The new B.C. government made the announcement during its mini- budget presentation in Victoria recently, stating that the B.C. carbon tax would increase to $50 per tonne by the year 2021, a full calendar year ahead of the federally imposed schedule. It will also no longer be “revenue neutral.”


In fact, the B.C. carbon tax hasn’t been “revenue neutral” for British Columbians for several years. In February, the Fraser Institute reported that the then Liberal government was using pre-existing tax credits to make the carbon tax seem revenue neutral. With credits removed from the balance sheet, the carbon tax stopped being “revenue neutral” back in 2013–14, and was hitting British Columbians with a cumulative tax increase of $865 million, or $728 per family of four. The B.C. Liberals subsequently removed some of the older credits to attempt to bring the tax back into balance for their final budget. The newly elected NDP government has altogether abandoned the charade of making the carbon tax appear revenue neutral.

Ratepayer watchdogs, including the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, had long warned that revenue-neutral carbon taxes might be revenue neutral for governments, but that they’re never revenue neutral for families. With Ottawa now requiring all provinces to keep raising taxes on carbon, we are on the path to ever-increasing taxes under the guise of stopping global climate change, and B.C. is leading the way.


How much will this national carbon-tax experiment cost users of carbon? The Trudeau government has that information, but it is refusing to release it. Internal federal government documents recently obtained by the investigative news outlet, Blacklocks Reporter, show that the federally forced carbon tax of $50 per tonne, set to be in place by the year 2022, will cost western Canadian crop farmers $3,705 per year and will do nothing to reduce their carbon dioxide emissions.


Crop farmers use diesel to operate their combines to harvest grains and seeds. A $50-per-tonne carbon tax will tack an extra 13.5 cents per litre of diesel, whose price is already comprised one-third of existing taxes. An intriguing part of the documents obtained by Blacklocks Reporter is that the federal government has determined that farmers in Saskatchewan have already been reducing their carbon dioxide emissions without a carbon tax. The magic lever wasn’t government. It was the scientific innovation of more efficient machinery, better soil management and better plant genetics, managed by people who know their land best: the farmers and business owners themselves.


What about people who aren’t farmers? How much are carbon taxes going to cost them? It’s difficult to get a straight answer out of government, but reports say it will cost drivers 11.6 cents more per litre of gasoline and it will take an extra $50 per month away from people in B.C. And double that for folks in Nova Scotia who depend more on coal and oil for power and heat. Those are just preliminary estimates, of course, and it would be naïve to think that when governments get rolling, it won’t wind up costing more than expected.
For those who want to believe that these imposed carbon taxes are only meant to curb our deplorable behaviour, such as the sin of driving a fossil-fueled car, consider what’s happened in the state of Washington. There, the government cheered on environmentally conscious drivers who worked hard to reduce their use of gasoline. Citizens are car-pooling, moving to transit corridors and buying more fuel-efficient vehicles to skip paying at the pump. But then the government’s bean counters realized that all that reduced gasoline consumption could see gas tax revenues fall by 45 per cent in the next 18 years. So now the state is looking at exploring “road-usage fees,” also known as tolls, also known as taxes, to tax those who can’t be taxed for their carbon use.


The moral is this: Taxes are always just taxes, dollars taken away from people by government. The government — whether those elected or in the bureaucracy — is just a collection of well-paid people with varied political opinions and varied expertise who get to decide how to spend your money and alter your behaviour. And government will continue to grow and spread and demand more taxes — using any reason it can think of — until it is pruned back by fed-up ratepayers and voters.

Kris Sims is the B.C. director of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation.



The mask gets ripped off yet another carbon-tax dishonesty | Financial Post
 
Tecumsehsbones
+5
#2
But, Colpy, it really is revenue neutral. There will be just as much money in Canada after as before.

Just more of it'll be in the government's hands.

Yay.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+4
#3
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

But, Colpy, it really is revenue neutral. There will be just as much money in Canada after as before.

Just more of it'll be in the government's hands.

Yay.

Will there truly be as much Money left in Canada after buying foreign Carbon Credits to mask our Carbon reduction, the way it was designed. Or donating to the UN development fund for Third world countries to reduce their Carbon footprint, I think India alone was promised 1+ Trillion to reduce their Coal plants.
 
MHz
#4
The money then goes from the Government to a select few companies that make billions while producing zero changes other than a few numbers are lower to make it look like it is having some sort of effect.
On a global level the scam is designed to keep 3rd world countries in the dark, literally as electricity production would be promoted as killing the planet.
 
Tecumsehsbones
#5
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

Will there truly be as much Money left in Canada after buying foreign Carbon Credits to mask our Carbon reduction, the way it was designed. Or donating to the UN development fund for Third world countries to reduce their Carbon footprint, I think India alone was promised 1+ Trillion to reduce their Coal plants.

Yeah, that's relevant to BC's carbon reduction measures.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
+2
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Yeah, that's relevant to BC's carbon reduction measures.

The article is touching on the whole country using BC as an example of what it is really all about
 
Tecumsehsbones
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_Moose View Post

The article is touching on the whole country using BC as an example of what it is really all about

I don't feel like riding your hobbyhorse with you today. Y'all have a real good one now, hear?
 
MHz
#8
Perhaps everybody in Canada should move far enough south that a furnace isn't needed to survive the winters. Just drive back and forth to work. Not much use running the numbers for the collective but for everybody else, 0.045% to 0.046% in 300 years is not a runaway. You need an event that is like the Siberian traps going steady for more than 100,000 years before you get global warming.

Here, use one of my little sister's horses.
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PoliticalNick
Free Thinker
+2
#9
Our entire government system is only designed to get bigger and cost more while continually eroding our freedoms. It is impossible for it to get smaller or reduce the amount of laws.
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
+5
#10
The BC carbon tax scam has never been cost neutral even if it ever was revenue neutral for the government. It also unfairly hits rural residents harder because we do not have access to either NG for heat or public transportation. To add insult to injury(litterly) We also have to drive vast distances for medical treatments and often for real shopping. But it sold well in the vote rich, low intelligence cities.
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
#11
Remember when Stalinist central planning just about starved Russia?
...and them was the good ol days...

any how
carry on
 
Mowich
Conservative
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

The BC carbon tax scam has never been cost neutral even if it ever was revenue neutral for the government. It also unfairly hits rural residents harder because we do not have access to either NG for heat or public transportation. To add insult to injury(litterly) We also have to drive vast distances for medical treatments and often for real shopping. But it sold well in the vote rich, low intelligence cities.

 
Bar Sinister
No Party Affiliation
#13
I've never understood why a carbon tax had to be revenue neutral. If people want to burn fossil fuels then make them pay for the privilege.
 
mentalfloss
#14
It doesn't.

In fact, it shouldn't.

The only reason they say that is to subdue conbots who only care about their wallets.
 
Retired_Can_Soldier
+4
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

I've never understood why a carbon tax had to be revenue neutral. If people want to burn fossil fuels then make them pay for the privilege.

I love how some people continue to eat the bullsh!t sandwiches the government serves up.

Privilege? Wow. People already do pay for the (rolling eyes) privilege. It's called purchasing the fuel.

Basically, you're saying it's okay that they lied, just because it feeds your warped view that fuel is evil..

You'd think environmentalists would be rabid that the revenue neutral carbon tax is not going toward new clean energy endeavors. But then being an environmentalist isn't really about making the planet a cleaner better place. It's about being a part of an exclusive club of bullsh!t artists. And it's probably a cool way to meet chicks.
 
JamesBondo
+1
#16
In the colonial days they used religion to control the masses. Today, there are sciences - heavily salted by political bullshit - that seek to do the same thing.
 
pgs
Free Thinker
+2
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by PoliticalNick View Post

Our entire government system is only designed to get bigger and cost more while continually eroding our freedoms. It is impossible for it to get smaller or reduce the amount of laws.

Not impossible but certainly hard . We had a government elected that were at least trying to slowly cut the size of government . However they were mean and heartless and had to go .Now we have the selfie king and 30 billion dollar deficits .
 
MHz
+2
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

I've never understood why a carbon tax had to be revenue neutral. If people want to burn fossil fuels then make them pay for the privilege.

We already do, at at a rate far higher than it has to be.

Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Not impossible but certainly hard . We had a government elected that were at least trying to slowly cut the size of government . However they were mean and heartless and had to go .Now we have the selfie king and 30 billion dollar deficits .

Easy solution, end the Provincial or Federal Govt as the taxpayers are being double billed for the same services. (running the place is the service) The one left will become much more efficient if their personal income is on the chopping block.
 
PoliticalNick
Free Thinker
+2
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss View Post

It doesn't.

In fact, it shouldn't.

The only reason they say that is to subdue conbots who only care about their wallets.

I'll gladly pay a carbon tax if I can throw you in the furnace
 
DaSleeper
#20
The first province to institute a carbon tax was B.C.
Now we know why they call it the "Left" Coast.....
 
Johnnny
No Party Affiliation
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

The first province to institute a carbon tax was B.C.
Now we know why they call it the "Left" Coast.....

Hey I'm staying in either Hearst or Kap on Sunday there. Wanna meet up drink some beers, talk about millennials and smoke some weed?
 
DaSleeper
#22
I haven't smoked in 35 years and don't drink.....much but I do drink coffee...(too much)
So if you might be staying at the Park Inn...
https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.41295...7i13312!8i6656
We could meet at Tim Horton, next door...
I'll P.M. you my phone # later if you decide to stay in Kap!
And the beer store is right across the road, if you don't like coffee...Just swing street view around, and zoom in eastward
 
Johnnny
No Party Affiliation
#23
Now im going to be burning by there, thanks but next time. Next time in land where the trees are roughly the same height.
 
Angstrom
No Party Affiliation
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

The nationally vaunted “revenue-neutral” B.C. carbon tax has finally taken off its mask. It is now just another bare-faced tax grab designed to pinch money from residents’ wallets and plunk it into government coffers.


The new B.C. government made the announcement during its mini- budget presentation in Victoria recently, stating that the B.C. carbon tax would increase to $50 per tonne by the year 2021, a full calendar year ahead of the federally imposed schedule. It will also no longer be “revenue neutral.”


In fact, the B.C. carbon tax hasn’t been “revenue neutral” for British Columbians for several years. In February, the Fraser Institute reported that the then Liberal government was using pre-existing tax credits to make the carbon tax seem revenue neutral. With credits removed from the balance sheet, the carbon tax stopped being “revenue neutral” back in 2013–14, and was hitting British Columbians with a cumulative tax increase of $865 million, or $728 per family of four. The B.C. Liberals subsequently removed some of the older credits to attempt to bring the tax back into balance for their final budget. The newly elected NDP government has altogether abandoned the charade of making the carbon tax appear revenue neutral.

Ratepayer watchdogs, including the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, had long warned that revenue-neutral carbon taxes might be revenue neutral for governments, but that they’re never revenue neutral for families. With Ottawa now requiring all provinces to keep raising taxes on carbon, we are on the path to ever-increasing taxes under the guise of stopping global climate change, and B.C. is leading the way.


How much will this national carbon-tax experiment cost users of carbon? The Trudeau government has that information, but it is refusing to release it. Internal federal government documents recently obtained by the investigative news outlet, Blacklocks Reporter, show that the federally forced carbon tax of $50 per tonne, set to be in place by the year 2022, will cost western Canadian crop farmers $3,705 per year and will do nothing to reduce their carbon dioxide emissions.


Crop farmers use diesel to operate their combines to harvest grains and seeds. A $50-per-tonne carbon tax will tack an extra 13.5 cents per litre of diesel, whose price is already comprised one-third of existing taxes. An intriguing part of the documents obtained by Blacklocks Reporter is that the federal government has determined that farmers in Saskatchewan have already been reducing their carbon dioxide emissions without a carbon tax. The magic lever wasn’t government. It was the scientific innovation of more efficient machinery, better soil management and better plant genetics, managed by people who know their land best: the farmers and business owners themselves.


What about people who aren’t farmers? How much are carbon taxes going to cost them? It’s difficult to get a straight answer out of government, but reports say it will cost drivers 11.6 cents more per litre of gasoline and it will take an extra $50 per month away from people in B.C. And double that for folks in Nova Scotia who depend more on coal and oil for power and heat. Those are just preliminary estimates, of course, and it would be naïve to think that when governments get rolling, it won’t wind up costing more than expected.
For those who want to believe that these imposed carbon taxes are only meant to curb our deplorable behaviour, such as the sin of driving a fossil-fueled car, consider what’s happened in the state of Washington. There, the government cheered on environmentally conscious drivers who worked hard to reduce their use of gasoline. Citizens are car-pooling, moving to transit corridors and buying more fuel-efficient vehicles to skip paying at the pump. But then the government’s bean counters realized that all that reduced gasoline consumption could see gas tax revenues fall by 45 per cent in the next 18 years. So now the state is looking at exploring “road-usage fees,” also known as tolls, also known as taxes, to tax those who can’t be taxed for their carbon use.


The moral is this: Taxes are always just taxes, dollars taken away from people by government. The government — whether those elected or in the bureaucracy — is just a collection of well-paid people with varied political opinions and varied expertise who get to decide how to spend your money and alter your behaviour. And government will continue to grow and spread and demand more taxes — using any reason it can think of — until it is pruned back by fed-up ratepayers and voters.

Kris Sims is the B.C. director of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation.



The mask gets ripped off yet another carbon-tax dishonesty | Financial Post

We all called it.
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

The first province to institute a carbon tax was B.C.
Now we know why they call it the "Left" Coast.....

It was done by the previous BCLiberal government as a vote buyer several elections ago. Worked like a charm as the leftard were so stupid as to think itwas a good thing when in reality it is just another cash cow to milk. Now we have a dipper government that doesn't even pretend it is revenue neutral and they are milking it hourly.
 
petros
+3
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

The nationally vaunted “revenue-neutral” B.C. carbon tax has finally taken off its mask. It is now just another bare-faced tax grab designed to pinch money from residents’ wallets and plunk it into government coffers.


The new B.C. government made the announcement during its mini- budget presentation in Victoria recently, stating that the B.C. carbon tax would increase to $50 per tonne by the year 2021, a full calendar year ahead of the federally imposed schedule. It will also no longer be “revenue neutral.”


In fact, the B.C. carbon tax hasn’t been “revenue neutral” for British Columbians for several years. In February, the Fraser Institute reported that the then Liberal government was using pre-existing tax credits to make the carbon tax seem revenue neutral. With credits removed from the balance sheet, the carbon tax stopped being “revenue neutral” back in 2013–14, and was hitting British Columbians with a cumulative tax increase of $865 million, or $728 per family of four. The B.C. Liberals subsequently removed some of the older credits to attempt to bring the tax back into balance for their final budget. The newly elected NDP government has altogether abandoned the charade of making the carbon tax appear revenue neutral.

Ratepayer watchdogs, including the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, had long warned that revenue-neutral carbon taxes might be revenue neutral for governments, but that they’re never revenue neutral for families. With Ottawa now requiring all provinces to keep raising taxes on carbon, we are on the path to ever-increasing taxes under the guise of stopping global climate change, and B.C. is leading the way.


How much will this national carbon-tax experiment cost users of carbon? The Trudeau government has that information, but it is refusing to release it. Internal federal government documents recently obtained by the investigative news outlet, Blacklocks Reporter, show that the federally forced carbon tax of $50 per tonne, set to be in place by the year 2022, will cost western Canadian crop farmers $3,705 per year and will do nothing to reduce their carbon dioxide emissions.


Crop farmers use diesel to operate their combines to harvest grains and seeds. A $50-per-tonne carbon tax will tack an extra 13.5 cents per litre of diesel, whose price is already comprised one-third of existing taxes. An intriguing part of the documents obtained by Blacklocks Reporter is that the federal government has determined that farmers in Saskatchewan have already been reducing their carbon dioxide emissions without a carbon tax. The magic lever wasn’t government. It was the scientific innovation of more efficient machinery, better soil management and better plant genetics, managed by people who know their land best: the farmers and business owners themselves.


What about people who aren’t farmers? How much are carbon taxes going to cost them? It’s difficult to get a straight answer out of government, but reports say it will cost drivers 11.6 cents more per litre of gasoline and it will take an extra $50 per month away from people in B.C. And double that for folks in Nova Scotia who depend more on coal and oil for power and heat. Those are just preliminary estimates, of course, and it would be naïve to think that when governments get rolling, it won’t wind up costing more than expected.
For those who want to believe that these imposed carbon taxes are only meant to curb our deplorable behaviour, such as the sin of driving a fossil-fueled car, consider what’s happened in the state of Washington. There, the government cheered on environmentally conscious drivers who worked hard to reduce their use of gasoline. Citizens are car-pooling, moving to transit corridors and buying more fuel-efficient vehicles to skip paying at the pump. But then the government’s bean counters realized that all that reduced gasoline consumption could see gas tax revenues fall by 45 per cent in the next 18 years. So now the state is looking at exploring “road-usage fees,” also known as tolls, also known as taxes, to tax those who can’t be taxed for their carbon use.


The moral is this: Taxes are always just taxes, dollars taken away from people by government. The government — whether those elected or in the bureaucracy — is just a collection of well-paid people with varied political opinions and varied expertise who get to decide how to spend your money and alter your behaviour. And government will continue to grow and spread and demand more taxes — using any reason it can think of — until it is pruned back by fed-up ratepayers and voters.

Kris Sims is the B.C. director of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation.



The mask gets ripped off yet another carbon-tax dishonesty | Financial Post

I sequester 1.3t per acre using modern zero till seed drills pulled by a tier 3A tractor.

I was supposed to be getting $15 per acre in sellable carbon credits to offset the $650K to be a hi-tech redneck.
 
Bar Sinister
No Party Affiliation
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by Retired_Can_Soldier View Post

I love how some people continue to eat the bullsh!t sandwiches the government serves up.

Privilege? Wow. People already do pay for the (rolling eyes) privilege. It's called purchasing the fuel.

Basically, you're saying it's okay that they lied, just because it feeds your warped view that fuel is evil..

You'd think environmentalists would be rabid that the revenue neutral carbon tax is not going toward new clean energy endeavors. But then being an environmentalist isn't really about making the planet a cleaner better place. It's about being a part of an exclusive club of bullsh!t artists. And it's probably a cool way to meet chicks.

Yeah I think of your point every time a see a single occupant of a monster pickup. As I said, if you want to burn fossil fuels then pay for the privilege.
 
petros
+2
#28
You are jealous of people who drive trucks. There are a lot of your type.

Did you know my big ol', badass truck is more fuel efficient than flossy's 2007 Honda Civic?
 
MHz
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeper View Post

The first province to institute a carbon tax was B.C.
Now we know why they call it the "Left" Coast.....

How much money was collected and on what was it spent on?

A solar power smartphone would cost somebody in the tropics how much per year @ $15/tonne. Plus other things at 3V such as LED lighting. We called them trinkets when the fur trade was the first shot in the war against the North American people. The rest is history so to speak.

I'm thinking if I drove a truck that hauled the same fuel I used it would be getting the best fuel mileage when compared to an economy car. (at least until forensic accounting came along)
 
JamesBondo
+1
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

Yeah I think of your point every time a see a single occupant of a monster pickup. As I said, if you want to burn fossil fuels then pay for the privilege.

You dumas, you sound just like Donald Trump. Trucks move building supplies and tools. That hybrid car of yours should be in the carpool lane but you won't let anyone sit in it.
 

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