Will Tump Tear up NAFTA???


Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#1
CTV is reporting that Trump is agitating about the current negotiations , saying again that NAFTA is the worst deal for the us. and other Trump language comments ( on Twitter of course ) Is voicing threats to tear it up.

what do folks her e think are tho odds of him tearing it up and creating even more chaos between the three nations??

Anyway you slice it.......the bloke is a wrecking ball.that goes ballistic via twitter.

Hard to tell which trump content comes close to becoming factual......his WORDS ON Twitter, hIS WORDS VIA TELEPROMPTER, OR HIS CHAOTIC VERBAL RAMBLINGS AT HIS RALLIES.

mE THINKS HE IS GOING TO TRY AND TRASH NAFTA
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
+1
#2
In the renegotiation of NAFTA, the mad POTUS has opened the negotiations with the last, end of the line, do-or-die negotiating position of the US, which is "we're gonna quit". I guess that the "Art of the Deal" guy is really full of shit. I wonder who ghost wrote that for him? He sure is an incompetent negotiator.
 
Angstrom
No Party Affiliation
+1
#3
Lets double down, and tell him we will quit first.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#4
Quote: Originally Posted by Angstrom View Post

Lets double down, and tell him we will quit first.

Might as well. The negotiations are already a joke because Trump is ****ing nuts.
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
#5
He got you in the bum?

Quick! Phone Hitlary...she'll want pics for her next creepy historical novel!
 
Angstrom
No Party Affiliation
+1
#6
If we make a demand to abolish the trade deal before Trump then we can waiver it in 6 months time when it becomes much harder because of elections to properly renegotiate. And then the next window is in a long time. .

Basically give Trump the run arround

Beat him at his own game
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
+2
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

In the renegotiation of NAFTA, the mad POTUS has opened the negotiations with the last, end of the line, do-or-die negotiating position of the US, which is "we're gonna quit". I guess that the "Art of the Deal" guy is really full of shit. I wonder who ghost wrote that for him? He sure is an incompetent negotiator.

indeed. and Trump IS f***g NUTS. He is not 'negotiating" he is dictating. His way or no way. is not a negotiating tactic. From what we have seen so far not sure he knows much about negotiating. at all. He probably paid someone to do that for him during his so called business yrs.............and write the book for him.... all he did is provide the name. (such as it is)

He is already suggesting that Mexico and Canada are being hard to deal with. So by threatening to pull out of NAFTA he is admitting that he does not have the negotiating skills to handle the process effectively.The process has barely started. His juvenile impatience is evident as well.
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
#8
Good Bye and don't let the door hit you on the ass as you go.
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#9
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze View Post

indeed. and Trump IS f***g NUTS. He is not 'negotiating" he is dictating. His way or no way. is not a negotiating tactic. From what we have seen so far not sure he knows much about negotiating. at all. He probably paid someone to do that for him during his so called business yrs.............and write the book for him.... all he did is provide the name. (such as it is)

He is already suggesting that Mexico and Canada are being hard to deal with. So by threatening to pull out of NAFTA he is admitting that he does not have the negotiating skills to handle the process effectively.The process has barely started. His juvenile impatience is evident as well.

Has NAFTA made a noticeable difference in your lifestyle ?
 
Bar Sinister
No Party Affiliation
+1
#10
The usual hot air negotiation tactics of the Dumpster. I expect any attempt to cancel NAFTA would get him an enormous amount of negative feedback from the thousands of US companies that are locked into NAFTA.
 
justlooking
+2
#11
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze View Post

His way or no way. is not a negotiating tactic. From what we have seen so far not sure he knows much about negotiating. at all.

Of course it is a tactic. A hard line tactic.
And since he won't be sitting at the table, no need to worry about him. It will be solved
by a group of faceless bureaucrats who don't care about you at all.

Quote:

He is already suggesting that Mexico and Canada are being hard to deal with. So by threatening to pull out of NAFTA he is admitting that he does not have the negotiating skills to handle the process effectively.The process has barely started. His juvenile impatience is evident as well.

I'm guessing you haven't done a lot of professional negotiating in your life.
 
B00Mer
No Party Affiliation
#12
Holly crap another NAFTA thread

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Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by justlooking View Post

Of course it is a tactic. A hard line tactic.
And since he won't be sitting at the table, no need to worry about him. It will be solved
by a group of faceless bureaucrats who don't care about you at all.



I'm guessing you haven't done a lot of professional negotiating in your life.

Would you be suggesting that his tactics are effective and constructive ?? Is using Twitter to state your negotiating tactic and making it so public professional?? How do these public statements facilitate the real negotiations??

Just as important: how is this "negotiating from a position of strength??

How much difference is there between these "tactics" and bullying??
Last edited by Ocean Breeze; Aug 28th, 2017 at 01:36 AM..
 
Angstrom
No Party Affiliation
+1
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze View Post

Would you be suggesting that his tactics are effective and constructive ?? Is using Twitter to state your negotiating tactic and making it so public professional?? How do these public statements facilitate the real negotiations??

Just as important: how is this "negotiating from a position of strength??

How much difference is there between these "tactics" and bullying??

Why are you so worried if you say the guy has no clue what he's doing? Just relax then
 
justlooking
#15
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze View Post

Would you be suggesting that his tactics are effective and constructive ?? Is using Twitter to state your negotiating tactic and making it so public professional?? How do these public statements facilitate the real negotiations??

Just as important: how is this "negotiating from a position of strength??

How much difference is there between these "tactics" and bullying??

Quote: Originally Posted by Angstrom View Post

Why are you so worried if you say the guy has no clue what he's doing? Just relax then

Exactly.

Nothing to worry about, except OB breaking into the talks ala Hawkeye, and berating Trump for being a meanie.
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
+1
#16
bullying?
OB, you have never done business with the unions or the mob have you?
(or faced the type of challenges Trump AND the PEOPLE of the US face right now)
 
Nanoose
+2
#17
He will tear it up but he better save it for TP because after that the US won't be getting any of Canada's forestry products. Cheers!
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
+1
#18
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Has NAFTA made a noticeable difference in your lifestyle ?

Hasn't helped the softwood lumber.

Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze View Post

Would you be suggesting that his tactics are effective and constructive ?? Is using Twitter to state your negotiating tactic and making it so public professional?? How do these public statements facilitate the real negotiations??

Just as important: how is this "negotiating from a position of strength??

How much difference is there between these "tactics" and bullying??

The US is the biggest market. And because it is convenient we have not seriously looked for other markets for our goods.That my dear is a position of strength.
 
Tecumsehsbones
+3
#19
In all likelihood there will be modest adjustments. Trump has shown that he lacks the attention span or intelligence to deal with the details.
 
Ocean Breeze
Free Thinker
#20
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

In all likelihood there will be modest adjustments. Trump has shown that he lacks the attention span or intelligence to deal with the details.

Indeed. Plus He sure LOVES using ATTENTION seeking tactics Perhaps the concept of "professionalism " is quite different under Trump. Intelligent , strategic creative and even aggressive tactics are par for the course in negotiations. But a degree of professionalism is also imperative. Otherwise the process degrades to something less than civilized.Suspect that all three parties have talented and skilled negotiators at this process. So why not leave the task to the negotiators and stop blabbing about it on Twitter?? Why play your hand in public??It seems counter productive. Of course the question remains whether Trump even goes along with the negotiations and their outcomes. His impetuous behavior can ignore all the work the negotiators do. and do what HE wants anyhow. There is a pattern of that conduct now.
 
justlooking
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze View Post

Indeed. Plus He sure LOVES using ATTENTION seeking tactics

You seem to be pretty good at it too.
 
taxslave
Free Thinker
+1
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocean Breeze View Post

Indeed. Plus He sure LOVES using ATTENTION seeking tactics Perhaps the concept of "professionalism " is quite different under Trump. Intelligent , strategic creative and even aggressive tactics are par for the course in negotiations. But a degree of professionalism is also imperative. Otherwise the process degrades to something less than civilized.Suspect that all three parties have talented and skilled negotiators at this process. So why not leave the task to the negotiators and stop blabbing about it on Twitter?? Why play your hand in public??It seems counter productive. Of course the question remains whether Trump even goes along with the negotiations and their outcomes. His impetuous behavior can ignore all the work the negotiators do. and do what HE wants anyhow. There is a pattern of that conduct now.

USP residents do not have the amount of power you seem to think they have. Not anywhere near what trudOWEhas.
 
Morti
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave View Post

USP residents do not have the amount of power you seem to think they have. Not anywhere near what trudOWEhas.

In regards to trade negotiations.....who's side are you on?
 
Angstrom
No Party Affiliation
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by justlooking View Post

You seem to be pretty good at it too.

She hates white men, Its not really more complex then that. Its why Trump has her foaming at the mouth for the last 300 days.

Quote: Originally Posted by Morti View Post

In regards to trade negotiations.....who's side are you on?

Im on North America's side. Central America can go fuk themselves.
 
Morti
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by Angstrom View Post

She hates white men, Its not really more complex then that. Its why Trump has her foaming at the mouth for the last 300 days.



Im on North America's side. Central America can go fuk themselves.

That seems to be your go to.

Let me guess....you're an oppressed white man.

Oh boo hoo.
 
Angstrom
No Party Affiliation
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by Morti View Post

That seems to be your go to.

Let me guess....you're an oppressed white man.

Oh boo hoo.

More like a overtaxed white man paying for all the social justice crusades while compromising on essential things to make rent every month. For 15 years straight with no end in sight.
 
Morti
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by Angstrom View Post

More like a overtaxed white man paying for all the social justice crusades while deciding what essential things to cutback to get by every month.

Such as...?
 
Angstrom
No Party Affiliation
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by Morti View Post

Such as...?

Here is the over taxation part
Canadians pay on average 42.5 per cent of their income in taxes: report | Watch News Videos Online

Is that what you were looking for?
 
Morti
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by Angstrom View Post

Here is the over taxation part
Canadians pay on average 42.5 per cent of their income in taxes: report | Watch News Videos Online

Is that what you were looking for?

No....I want to know specifically the programs you are overtaxed for.

You know...the social justice ones.

...and the cost as a percentage of the budget that would make a difference in your tax bill.
 
Angstrom
No Party Affiliation
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by Morti View Post

No....I want to know specifically the programs you are overtaxed for.

You know...the social justice ones.

...and the cost as a percentage of the budget that would make a difference in your tax bill.

We can start with the 5 billion dollars in foreign aid

Then we can cut in all the bullshit Liberal trips arround the world pretending to be more righteous than the pope.
 

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