Why is the U.S.Pharma lobby sponsoring a conference on Canadian Healthcare?


tay
#1
Over the past two days, a major health care summit has taken place in Ottawa at the Chateau Laurier Hotel. The summit, titled "A New Health Accord for All Canadians," is a partnership between the Canada 2020 think tank and the Canadian Medical Association (CMA).

This summit featured a variety of stakeholders and speakers including Senator Chantal Peticlerc, Dr. Granger Avery, the president of the CMA, Dr. Gaétan Barrette, the Quebec Minister of Health and Social Services, and Dr. Jane Philpott, Canada's minister of health.


This summit comes at a pivotal point in the history of medicare with a new health accord being negotiated in coming months and an urgent need for national pharmacare (among many pressing topics).

When we say Big Pharma, this is generally who we mean. For a summit that calls itself independent, this seems like a conflict of interest. This isn't to say that there were not independent speakers or important topics that were covered over the two days, but it points to a worrying trend of American corporate interests further creeping into our medicare (not to mention the negative relationship between pharmaceutical promotion and quality, quantity and cost of physicians' prescriptions).

When one of the founders of Canada 2020 was questioned about this on Twitter, his response to a fair question was pejorative (in fairness he did later apologize somewhat stating he was, "tired, cranky and surprised that we're being pre-judged by progressives!")

For those keeping track of the record for the U.S. parent companies involved, Merck is well known for its deadly Vioxx scandal where it was made false or misleading safety and has paid out over $6 billion in settlements . Johnson & Johnson has had to pay $70 million to settle claims it bribed doctors in Greece, Poland and Romania to prescribe its medicines and, along with its subsidiaries, recently paid more than $2.2 billion (one of the largest healthcare fraud settlements in U.S. history) involving the drug Risperdal. Amgen was fined $762 million for illegally promoting the drug Aranesp to cancer patients in a way that increased the likelihood of their deaths.


Essentially, conferences like this are inviting the fox into the medicare henhouse.

But perhaps more worrying is the inclusion of PhRMA. In the U.S. they have already spent a near-record $11.7 million in lobbying this year and have spent nearly $150 million on lobbying since 2008 outspending powerful interests like defense contractors and the oil and gas industry. A recent Gallup poll of public opinion found drug makers are less popular than lawyers and oil companies, and just barely less hated than the federal government in the U.S. (which is saying something).

PhRMA, which took in more than $200 million in member dues in 2014, is expected to launch a major PR campaign after the U.S. election. Trying to shed the negative image incurred from industry price-gouging scandals like those involving Turing and Valeant Pharmaceuticals , the recent Purdue Pharma OxyContin nightmare , or the Mylan EpiPen fiasco, PhRMA is planning large ad campaign (that is, an image makeover) in the U.S. using a five-year-old boy and a woman with blood cancer to distance themselves from scandals.

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Cliffy
Free Thinker
#2
These 13 Corporations Are “Big Pharma”: Their History, Crimes, and Products

This is a preview to the Era of Wisdom documentary “Toddlers on Adderall: History of “Big Pharma” and the Major Players,” to be released December 28, 2016.

Written and directed by Cassius Kamarampi, narrated by Josh Mur. Music by Cassius Kamarampi. (Link to image credits and sources)
(Transcript):
In our society, we often correlate legality with safety. We use household products, spray pesticides, and religiously consume drugs such as ritalin, adderall, oxycontin, and prozac.
We consume all of this, but how many know who made the drugs, and where the corporations came from? Who produces the chemicals we trust on a daily basis?
These 13 corporations tend to be a blind spot in our understanding of history.
Tens of thousands of American toddlers are being prescribed Amphetamine; a result of this blind spot.
Neos Therapeutics is responsible for candy flavored children’s Amphetamine, sold as Adzenys. Shire created Adderall.
An understanding of Big Pharma is conducive to a big picture understanding of the world and power itself: it is an essential puzzle piece in understanding disease, hegemony, and health.
For instance, we have Purdue.
Purdue Pharma was created in 1892 New York. They are arguably responsible for the epidemic of opioid addiction in the United States, producing Hydrocodone, OxyContin, Fentanyl, Codeine, Hydromorphone, and Oxycodone.
Novartis is the world’s largest pharmaceutical corporation by revenue, headquartered in Basel, Switzerland, a 1996 merger between Ciba-Geigy and Sandoz.


These 13 Corporations Are "Big Pharma": Their History, Crimes, and Products - Era of Wisdom
 
Tecumsehsbones
#3
Boy, are you guys f*cked!
 
personal touch
Bloc Québécois
#4
Because they can

I always thought it would be fun working for a big drug company,pharmaceutical company as s rep
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
+1
#5
Big pharma has about the same conviction rate as any other mob
But hey, doctors' samples and school yard heroin...
first one's always free

sometimes though, there is a better way
 
Bar Sinister
No Party Affiliation
+4 / -1
#6  Top Rated Post
Time for Canada to have a national pharmacare program. That would kick big pharma right where it hurts and drastically lower drug costs to the Canadian public.
 
tay
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

Time for Canada to have a national pharmacare program. That would kick big pharma right where it hurts and drastically lower drug costs to the Canadian public.

I'm thinking they are schmoozing the Libs to make sure that doesn't happen. Their profits are less in Canada as it is and they would like to change that........
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
#8
...but we might market cheaper versions of stuff to places like the US...

"How Americans Can Buy Drugs from Canadian Pharmacies
Brand name, prescription drugs in Canada and many other countries usually cost less than in the United States. Therefore, because Canada is so easily reachable, in close proximity to so many Americans, we are tempted to purchase our drugs from Canadian pharmacies.

However, it pays to be knowledgeable about purchasing drugs from Canada or other countries, including legal considerations for Americans who want to cross the border in person or online.

Here are the things you should know before you buy prescription drugs from a foreign pharmacy.

Many foreign countries, including Canada, control the pricing of drugs that are sold and distributed in their territories. This is sometimes tied into the fact that they have national, universal healthcare and therefore can negotiate the cost of the drugs purchased and sold, keeping the prices very low. (In the United States, because we do not have price controls on drugs and are sold at marketplace prices, many believe we therefore subsidize the lower drug pricing enjoyed in most of the rest of the world, making our drugs much more costly.)
https://www.verywell.com/legal-to-bu...macies-2614903

In Canada there s also this to consider:
MY Doctors just told me recently that all the gov will pay for is stuff that doesn't work, and just makes things worse.
If I want something that works, I have to figure out what that might be, and pay for it myself.

Pharma would like to not have any of that going on either...
The finding of stuff that works that is.
Last edited by Danbones; Oct 2nd, 2016 at 05:54 AM..
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
+1
#9
Why is the U.S.Pharma lobby sponsoring a conference on Canadian Healthcare?

There are big buckeroos to harvested from Canadians and they can smell the billions.
 
Ludlow
No Party Affiliation
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Why is the U.S.Pharma lobby sponsoring a conference on Canadian Healthcare?

There are big buckeroos to harvested from Canadians and they can smell the billions.

So who is doing the over charging dipshyt?
 
personal touch
Bloc Québécois
#11
The first successful "whistle blowing"case invoved a pharmaceutical company
 
Bar Sinister
No Party Affiliation
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by tay View Post

I'm thinking they are schmoozing the Libs to make sure that doesn't happen. Their profits are less in Canada as it is and they would like to change that........

No doubt - but if governments really want to cut drug costs a pharmacare program is the only way.
 
personal touch
Bloc Québécois
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister View Post

No doubt - but if governments really want to cut drug costs a pharmacare program is the only way.

There already is a pharmacare program in place
 
EagleSmack
#14
We're just getting up in your grill.
 
personal touch
Bloc Québécois
#15
What ever that means?
 
personal touch
Bloc Québécois
#16
Big pharmacy is pushing the ******l atrophy agendas,something so normal has become so profitable.
Good by ******l dryness!

V ag in al
 
crystalmedy
#17
Very nice article submission on this site U.S.Pharma lobby sponsoring a conference on Canadian Healthcare
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#18
They want to set up their death panels up here.
 
spilledthebeer
#19
Quote: Originally Posted by tay View Post

Over the past two days, a major health care summit has taken place in Ottawa at the Chateau Laurier Hotel. The summit, titled "A New Health Accord for All Canadians," is a partnership between the Canada 2020 think tank and the Canadian Medical Association (CMA).

This summit featured a variety of stakeholders and speakers including Senator Chantal Peticlerc, Dr. Granger Avery, the president of the CMA, Dr. Gaétan Barrette, the Quebec Minister of Health and Social Services, and Dr. Jane Philpott, Canada's minister of health.


This summit comes at a pivotal point in the history of medicare with a new health accord being negotiated in coming months and an urgent need for national pharmacare (among many pressing topics).

When we say Big Pharma, this is generally who we mean. For a summit that calls itself independent, this seems like a conflict of interest. This isn't to say that there were not independent speakers or important topics that were covered over the two days, but it points to a worrying trend of American corporate interests further creeping into our medicare (not to mention the negative relationship between pharmaceutical promotion and quality, quantity and cost of physicians' prescriptions).

When one of the founders of Canada 2020 was questioned about this on Twitter, his response to a fair question was pejorative (in fairness he did later apologize somewhat stating he was, "tired, cranky and surprised that we're being pre-judged by progressives!")

For those keeping track of the record for the U.S. parent companies involved, Merck is well known for its deadly Vioxx scandal where it was made false or misleading safety and has paid out over $6 billion in settlements . Johnson & Johnson has had to pay $70 million to settle claims it bribed doctors in Greece, Poland and Romania to prescribe its medicines and, along with its subsidiaries, recently paid more than $2.2 billion (one of the largest healthcare fraud settlements in U.S. history) involving the drug Risperdal. Amgen was fined $762 million for illegally promoting the drug Aranesp to cancer patients in a way that increased the likelihood of their deaths.


Essentially, conferences like this are inviting the fox into the medicare henhouse.

But perhaps more worrying is the inclusion of PhRMA. In the U.S. they have already spent a near-record $11.7 million in lobbying this year and have spent nearly $150 million on lobbying since 2008 outspending powerful interests like defense contractors and the oil and gas industry. A recent Gallup poll of public opinion found drug makers are less popular than lawyers and oil companies, and just barely less hated than the federal government in the U.S. (which is saying something).

PhRMA, which took in more than $200 million in member dues in 2014, is expected to launch a major PR campaign after the U.S. election. Trying to shed the negative image incurred from industry price-gouging scandals like those involving Turing and Valeant Pharmaceuticals , the recent Purdue Pharma OxyContin nightmare , or the Mylan EpiPen fiasco, PhRMA is planning large ad campaign (that is, an image makeover) in the U.S. using a five-year-old boy and a woman with blood cancer to distance themselves from scandals.

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Why do Yankee drug companies come to Canada now?



BECAUSE CANADA IS STONY BROKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And LIE-berals want to save GRAVY FOR THEMSELVES BY CREATING TWO TIER HEALTH CARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals are being encouraged by GREEDY civil service union Hogs who think two tier health care will end up funneling MORE



GRAVY into THEIR POCKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


"Two Tier health care" is LIE-beral slang meaning that THEY AND THEIR HOG PALS will continue to get FREE HEALTH CARE as



part of their array of union benefits..........................while the rest of us struggle to pay for a bottle of aspirin out of what cash there is in



our pockets after the LIE-beral carbon crap and trade scam kicks in a destroys most of our jobs and economy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yankee HMO types are hoping LIE-berals will establish Yankee style health care in Canada- and they expect to make a LOT of money



off Cdns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Hoid
#20
Trump campaigned on getting outrageous drug pharma price gouging under control.

so he cut their taxes and regulations.

ouch
 
MHz
+1
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

They want to set up their death panels up here.

There is more money in making them heroin addicts and have the Gov pay for it via universal health care.
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#22
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

There is more money in making them heroin addicts and have the Gov pay for it via universal health care.

However fiscally foolish it may seem, no one is denied coverage in the Canadian system.
 
spilledthebeer
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by Hoid View Post

Trump campaigned on getting outrageous drug pharma price gouging under control.

so he cut their taxes and regulations.

ouch


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OH HOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


YOUR LIES ARE FAILING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!


Trump and any promises he may have made to corporations HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR OTTAWA LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Trump HAS NOTHING TO DO with SHAMELESS LIE-beral efforts to save gravy for themselves by rationing our health care!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Trump has NOTHING TO DO with the shameless GREED of our civil service union Hogs as they try to create two tier health care-



where they get FINE CARE as a UNION PERK.....................and the rest of us struggle to pay for a lousy bottle of aspirin out of our



LIE-beral carbon taxed and LIE-beral DEBAUCHED pay cheques!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Danbones
Free Thinker
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

However fiscally foolish it may seem, no one is denied coverage in the Canadian system.

Yeah best looking shrouds in the business.
 
spilledthebeer
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by Danbones View Post

Yeah best looking shrouds in the business.


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POOR STUPID LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Hoping DESPERATELY to distract us from their vile and discriminatory Two Tier Medicine SCAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


THERE IS A PRICE for LIE-beral style health care rationing - AND IT IS HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Consider the fate of this Cdn- LEFT TO DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






Isn`t it nice that our LIE-beral overlords are spending OUR money on a series of costly commercials telling us what a great job they are doing with our medical system-but they cannot FIX crap like that described below-presented along with some comments of my own in brackets):

First his leg was amputated, then CCAC cut off his therapy.

By Kelly Egan. First posted: Thursday, December 08, 2016 05:21 PM EST | Updated: Thursday, December 08, 2016 05:28 PM EST

Paul Pelletier had part of his leg amputated earlier this year. He's been recuperating with the use of a vaccum pump that keeps the wound dry and clean. It comes from the CCAC, who had a 10-week limit on the use of the pump. They want it back, but his surgeon says he needs it to recuperate or may have to be re-hospitalized or have more of his leg cut off.

OTTAWA - It’s been a tough year for Paul Pelletier, scarred by scalpels, then the system.

The 51-year-old truck mechanic had his right foot — then part of his lower leg — amputated in two stages in March from the effects of diabetes. He returned to hospital in August, and in September had two further operations on the wound, just below his knee.

To help with healing, he was sent home with a special device, called a vacuum-assisted wound closure system. It consists of a special sponge inserted in the wound cavity, then connected to a drainage hose. The whole area is sealed, kept clean and drained by means of negative pressure created by a device worn around the neck.

“It’s a magic thing man,” the Carleton Place resident said Thursday.

To help with wound care, he was visited every second day by a nurse arranged through the Community Care Access Centre, the network of home care providers that serves all of Ontario.

Then came the shock.

Just as the healing was progressing nicely, the CCAC has demanded its “VAC unit” back because there is a 10-week limit. He could keep using it, sure, but it would cost $90 a day, or $2,700 a month, for a man on a monthly disability of $1,100. Otherwise, he was cut off.

“It scares me,” Pelletier said. “I believe it is a big part of the healing of it all. I’d hate to see a setback for another six months.”

Pelletier and his sister tried to reason with the CCAC, even enlisting the support of his Ottawa Hospital surgeon at the 11th hour.

“I feel that discontinuation of the VAC dressing will jeopardize all the hard work gone on to this point to salvage his below knee amputation,” the surgeon wrote in a Nov. 30 email.

“We would like to request an extension of his VAC therapy to avoid the need to readmit him to the hospital for continued appropriate wound care and to reduce the risk that he will be required to be converted to an above knee amputation.”

Some of the words were underlined and in bold type.

(Yeah-its $2700.00 to rent the machine for another month-and HOW MUCH to re-admit the guy to hospital and saw off more of his leg? With the added bonus that IF they save most of his leg he may be able to walk better and return to work-but if they saw most of it off he becomes a permanent ward of the state because he is crippled? Just WHO is running our medical system? Doctors with best patient outcomes in mind? Or LIE-beral friendly union Hogs who want their endless list of entitlements filled- at the expense of patients and the general public?)

The CCAC was unmoved. A care co-ordinator thanked the doctor for his email and reiterated that the unit would be removed Dec. 5. “I understand your concern related to this client and appreciate your follow up. At this time, CCAC is not able to extend the provision of (the unit) past 10 weeks,” the reply continued, “and we kindly ask that you provide updated conventional dressing orders.”

The surgeon replied within minutes, a seven-word answer that could not be mistaken in meaning or directness: “My orders are for continued VAC therapy.”

Still, CCAC didn’t bend.

At the urging of a hospital official, Pelletier appealed to area MPP Randy Hillier, not a step the mechanic is used to taking. “I’ve never called an MP in my life.”

Hillier, who detests over-regulation in government, immediately got on the phone and wrote to Health Minister Eric Hoskins.

(Regulation is one thing-govt MUST have control over operations and finance-but tight ass regulations that DAMAGE a patient that would otherwise recover more fully and faster and at less public cost is brain dead LIE-beral bullshit!)

“Minister, I find this alarming for a number of reasons. First, I find it unorthodox that the CCAC would have the authority to enforce a quota or limitation to services over the wishes of a physician; secondly, that a patient’s well-being and recovery would be hindered and possibly hampered by limitations on access to a comparatively inexpensive piece of medical equipment.”

(Any idiot-except a LIE-beral can see it’s a LOT CHEAPER to loan the guy the machine than to return him to hospital for more surgery!)

Pelletier said he was told there are 23 patients on a waiting list for a VAC unit, which he uses 24 hours a day.

(In other words-LIE-berals are AGAIN spending OUR money on THEIR gravy INSTEAD of on needed medical machinery-AND buying those commercials to BOAST and LIE-beral about it!)

Of the 23, he is sympathetic. But his great worry is that if the wound does not heal properly, he’ll need a further amputation above the knee, affecting his mobility for the rest of his life. His hope is that he can be fitted with a prosthetic in the spring and return to the trucking industry soon after. “I just want to get back to work.”

Pelletier estimates he needs the unit for another three or four weeks. The wound is largely healed but still has a small open section.

It’s been quite a saga. Diagnosed with diabetes at age 31, he lost a couple of toes about five years ago, then endured a long period of hobbling until his foot became too diseased. (Diabetes can lead to nerve damage and restricted circulation, especially in the extremities, and even minor injuries can turn into difficult-to-treat ulcers. Pelletier suspects a foot injury about six years ago triggered his problems.)

Pelletier is meeting with his surgeon Friday. They will deal with his wound, of course. Who fixes this broken system?

(Looks like Doug Ford will have a chance to cure our health care! IF ONLY he can fight off GREEDY civil service union Hogs!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
 
Jinentonix
No Party Affiliation
+1
#26
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

However fiscally foolish it may seem, no one is denied coverage in the Canadian system.

That's not entirely true. My step-son was run down by a hit and run driver earlier this year. He was sent medical bills in the mail. Why? Because when a motor vehicle is involved, the driver's insurance covers the costs of some of the medical care. But since this was a hit and run and the driver was never caught, the system the Ontario Libtard's had in place decided that a 27 yr old disabled person on ODSP should have to pay for getting run over at a crosswalk instead of OHIP.
 
EagleSmack
#27
Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix View Post

That's not entirely true. My step-son was run down by a hit and run driver earlier this year. He was sent medical bills in the mail. Why? Because when a motor vehicle is involved, the driver's insurance covers the costs of some of the medical care. But since this was a hit and run and the driver was never caught, the system the Ontario Libtard's had in place decided that a 27 yr old disabled person on ODSP should have to pay for getting run over at a crosswalk instead of OHIP.


Well, truth be told, the idiot you were responding to knows very little about Canada.
 
EagleSmack
#28
Canada denied care for terminal patient, offered assisted suicide


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ffered-assist/
 
Curious Cdn
Conservative
#29
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack View Post

Canada denied care for terminal patient, offered assisted suicide
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ffered-assist/

Oh, you managed to find one.

Now we'll find the 200,000 or do a year that are denied treatment by your private insurers because it impinges on their profits.
 
EagleSmack
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by Curious Cdn View Post

Oh, you managed to find one.

Now we'll find the 200,000 or do a year that are denied treatment by your private insurers because it impinges on their profits.


Well you can thank Obamacare for that.




Jinentonix had one.



Seriously though... we both know there are more.


Like this....




Canadian Disabled Man Denied Care but Offered Euthanasia


http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...ed-euthanasia/


Stories like this are so easy to find.
Last edited by EagleSmack; 3 weeks ago at 04:31 PM..
 

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