Gun Control is Completely Useless.


spilledthebeer
#10411
Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondo View Post

the reason why she hasn't posted in a week is because beer has her on the run.


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NAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Our always arrogant and ever entitled bird brained blue byrdie is way too pig headed to be easily daunted by things like truth and logic!!!!!!!!!!


It is getting cold now and beginning to snow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So we can guess that Bue Byrdie has hauled her byrdie numnums down to her other home in - I believe she mentioned Arizona!!!!!!!!!!!


She is probably just traveling and will have some snotty new remarks once she gets herself warmed up by the pool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Or maybe the weight of her own entitlements grew so heavy she slipped and fell and hurt herself??????????????


IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN We must pray for a swift recovery!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So she does linger in hospital and not Hog up too many of our LIE-beral rationed health care RESOURCES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Colpy
Conservative
+2
#10412
The Gun debate in Canada: Where lies truth? Part-1

By RCI | english@rcinet.ca
Monday 3 December, 2018 ,



The first of a series of responses to claims about guns in Canada

Canada is facing a federal election in October 2019. With an apparent increase in criminal use of guns, the gun control debate is set to become an election issue with the anti-firearms rhetoric ramping up.
Several statements have been made by the governing Liberal Party of Canada, and by gun-control lobby groups even as the Liberal government mulls a complete ban on handguns and possibly also on so-called “assault weapons”.
Firearms hobby and sporting advocacy groups are not often heard from in this issue.
Their responses to such public statements shows a strong difference to what appears to be those apparently unsubstantiated claims being made by various government and police officials, and gun control lobby groups.
Firing blanks from real revolvers at balloons, the growing sport of cowboy mounted shooting would likely come to an end with a handgun ban. Many businesses, employees, and even tax revenues would also be negatively affected (Ulli Hoeger-via CBC)

Such statements have been refuted by a limited number of mainstream investigative media, but nonetheless these statements continue to be repeated by those officials, gun-control lobby groups and also by many mainstream media outlets.
Domestically sourced crime guns

With the theory that banning private ownership of handguns will reduce, or even eliminate criminal use, several comments by proponents of such a ban have been made to support this claim.
Canadians have long believed that because of our strict gun control laws, most criminals got guns that have been smuggled in from the U.S. Some police claim that “crime” guns are now mostly being sourced in Canada.. Various police and other official claims have been made that up to 50 %, even 60% of crime guns now originate in Canada. This is either through break and enter and theft from legal owners or through so-called “straw purchase”.
“It is a fact that the majority of gun-related crimes in our communities are committed with guns that are domestically-sourced” RCMP Inspector Chris McBryan, Vancouver Sun News 2016.
This statistic is from figures compiled by the Provincial Weapons Enforcement Unit of the Ontario Provincial Police. (OPP). (CBC)

A “straw purchases” whereby a legally licensed individual buys a firearm and then sells it illegally on the black market to someone who is unlicensed and so not allowed to have a gun, handgun or other.
“It’s the main source of how firearms are being purchased and how they come into people’s hands on the streets nowadays,” Sgt. Eric Stewart, head of the Guns and Gangs unit for the Alberta Law Enforcement Response Teams (ALERT).
These claims have been, and continue to be, widely reported by media and gun-control lobby groups without verification of facts.
QUESTION: How many illegal firearms “crime guns” are actually “domestically sourced” and how realistic is the so-called straw purchase issue?

First an explanation by Nicolas Johnson, editor, TheGunBlog.ca
“Crime gun”: Any firearm, airgun, antique, starter pistol, toy gun, replica, etc. that police think was owned for crime, whether unlawful possession or a violent attack;. e.g., if a pellet gun or nail gun is used to rob a bank, it’s deemed a “crime gun.” Also any firearm with serial number removed.

RESPONSE : Johnson adds, “about 31 percent of firearms seized by Toronto police each year are considered “crime guns.” Toronto police data show the percentage of so-called “crime guns” traced to Canada fell for a second straight year in 2017 to the lowest level in at least four years, contrasting with claims that outlaws are getting more of their firearms from domestic sources.
Only 20 percent of firearms, airguns, toy guns or replicas seized by the Toronto Police Service and deemed “crime guns” were traced to Canada in 2017, the least since at least 2014, according to calculations by TheGunBlog.ca based on police statistics. The earliest year available was 2014.
It is not clear what effect increased restrictions or a ban on handguns would cause for Canada’s Olympic shooting competitors. (via olympic.ca)

More than a third of the so-called “crime guns” seized by Toronto police last year weren’t firearms, and many were never used in a crime, according to an analysis of police data obtained by Dennis Young, fuelling new concern about the reliability of statistics.
The data show 469, or 65 percent, of the 726 “crime guns” seized by Toronto police in 2017 were counted among the three classes of firearms in the Firearms Act: “Non-restricted,” “Restricted” or “Prohibited.” That leaves 35 percent that weren’t firearms regulated by the Firearms Act.
Police use their best judgement when investigating and reporting on complex crimes with imperfect information. But counting non-firearms and non-crimes as “crime guns” makes the data unreliable and undermines trust in police records.
Response: Dennis R Young (retired RCMP) and Gary Mauser (professor emeritus) and others have researched gun issues extensively, often through access to information (ATIP) requests on government and police documents.
From the website Justice for Gun Owners, “Between 2007-2016, StatsCan reports that only 5% of the firearms involved in homicides were registered and used by someone other than the legal owner to commit murder – this percentage includes thefts as well as straw purchases”
Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale who leads the gun-control issue and Bill C-71 with its proposed new restrictions on gun owners has tweeted, “With so many crime guns coming from legitimate domestic sources, we need effective firearm measures that prioritize public safety while ensuring fair treatment for law-abiding firearm owners.” revealed they had no information on stolen firearms whether from private citizens, retailers, museums, police, military or other”.
Presumably legitimate domestic sources means “stolen” from legal owners, or perhaps “straw purchase”.
Canada Border Services Agency shows pistols it has seized attempting to come into Canada (Denis Dossmann/CBC)

Another ATIP request from Mr Young to Public Safety Canada headed by Minister Goodale revealed they had no information on stolen firearms whether from private citizens, retailers, museums, police, military or other.”
Response : Tracey Wilson- VP Public Relations, Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights
“I attended the Summit on Gun & Gang Violence last March on invitation from the Minister. The resounding issues and complaints brought forth by law enforcement at every level was there was a lack of credible data to verify any of this debate about domestically sourced.
As far as those stolen from legal firearms owners homes – since when is the answer to a victim of crime (theft) to ban them from owning it in the first place? Is this not victim blaming? Have they completely given up on prevention, crime solving and investigative policing?”
Straw Purchases

“The straw purchase issue is high profile because media chooses to use it as an example of lax gun control laws without any statistical evidence, and with unsubstantiated remarks from some law enforcement officer”. B Hagen, NFA.
An ATIP request from Mr Young to Canada’s national police force, The Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) indicated that they could find no documents related to so-called “straw purchases” in their files .
Response: Nicolas Johnson- TheGunBlog.ca
– Canada’s biggest municipal police force, Toronto, has quoted the same four straw purchasers for more than two years. That suggests it’s not a major issue, or we’d have a couple more names.
– Is it true that a tiny handful of licensed gun owners sell guns illegally? Yes. Does this reflect a broader or systemic problem? No.
– Canada’s firearm-licensing system is highly controversial and of questionable use for public safety, but it has yielded at least one accidental benefit. We have decades of statistics showing that millions of lawful, legitimate gun owners are the closest thing Canada has to a crimeless demographic
Response: Blair Hagen: National Firearms Association– advocacy group
It is important to remember that the firearms programme and provincial Chief Firearms Officer approve and track all transfers of restricted and prohibited firearms. They can and do investigate every transfer, they can even investigate the license holder making the purchase beyond routine investigations that are in effect now.
I personally have had many cases where license holders making legitimate purchases of multiple restricted firearms have been targeted for secondary investigation, interrogation by firearms officer and even inspection because of the purchase. The fact that it happens at all is being used to justify calls for gun bans. It is the extreme minority of illicit purchase and transfers.
There are two issues not being addressed.
The demand to confiscate the property of Canadians because of the risk of theft or illicit transfer. Since when do you punish people who have broken no laws and confiscate their property, and since when are victims of crimes made responsible for those crimes?
Response : Tracey Wilson- VP Public Relations, Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights
There have been very few cases of straw purchases, and as Mr Johnson (TheGunBlog.ca) stated, they seem to re-use the same ones over and over to prove a point. Fact is – this is already illegal and I think we’ve got the CFP failing to follow up on things, likely due to the fact they are already over-burdened with bureaucracy. Wait until C-71* kicks in and watch them fall apart. (*The proposed Liberal gun control legislation)
SUMMARY

According to these sources,
  • about a third of “crime guns” seized by police aren’t firearms at all.
  • The claimed number of domestically sourced crime guns stated by the federal government, some police officers, and by gun-control lobby groups is wildly exaggerated at best
  • The claimed number of straw purchases stated by the federal government, some police officers, and by gun-control lobby groups is wildly exaggerated at best
for more information on this subject
http://www.rcinet.ca/en/2018/12/03/t...-truth-part-1/
 
spilledthebeer
#10413
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

The Gun debate in Canada: Where lies truth? Part-1

By RCI | english@rcinet.ca
Monday 3 December, 2018 ,



The first of a series of responses to claims about guns in Canada

Canada is facing a federal election in October 2019. With an apparent increase in criminal use of guns, the gun control debate is set to become an election issue with the anti-firearms rhetoric ramping up.
Several statements have been made by the governing Liberal Party of Canada, and by gun-control lobby groups even as the Liberal government mulls a complete ban on handguns and possibly also on so-called “assault weapons”.
Firearms hobby and sporting advocacy groups are not often heard from in this issue.
Their responses to such public statements shows a strong difference to what appears to be those apparently unsubstantiated claims being made by various government and police officials, and gun control lobby groups.
Firing blanks from real revolvers at balloons, the growing sport of cowboy mounted shooting would likely come to an end with a handgun ban. Many businesses, employees, and even tax revenues would also be negatively affected (Ulli Hoeger-via CBC)

Such statements have been refuted by a limited number of mainstream investigative media, but nonetheless these statements continue to be repeated by those officials, gun-control lobby groups and also by many mainstream media outlets.
Domestically sourced crime guns

With the theory that banning private ownership of handguns will reduce, or even eliminate criminal use, several comments by proponents of such a ban have been made to support this claim.
Canadians have long believed that because of our strict gun control laws, most criminals got guns that have been smuggled in from the U.S. Some police claim that “crime” guns are now mostly being sourced in Canada.. Various police and other official claims have been made that up to 50 %, even 60% of crime guns now originate in Canada. This is either through break and enter and theft from legal owners or through so-called “straw purchase”.
“It is a fact that the majority of gun-related crimes in our communities are committed with guns that are domestically-sourced” RCMP Inspector Chris McBryan, Vancouver Sun News 2016.
This statistic is from figures compiled by the Provincial Weapons Enforcement Unit of the Ontario Provincial Police. (OPP). (CBC)

A “straw purchases” whereby a legally licensed individual buys a firearm and then sells it illegally on the black market to someone who is unlicensed and so not allowed to have a gun, handgun or other.
“It’s the main source of how firearms are being purchased and how they come into people’s hands on the streets nowadays,” Sgt. Eric Stewart, head of the Guns and Gangs unit for the Alberta Law Enforcement Response Teams (ALERT).
These claims have been, and continue to be, widely reported by media and gun-control lobby groups without verification of facts.
QUESTION: How many illegal firearms “crime guns” are actually “domestically sourced” and how realistic is the so-called straw purchase issue?

First an explanation by Nicolas Johnson, editor, TheGunBlog.ca
“Crime gun”: Any firearm, airgun, antique, starter pistol, toy gun, replica, etc. that police think was owned for crime, whether unlawful possession or a violent attack;. e.g., if a pellet gun or nail gun is used to rob a bank, it’s deemed a “crime gun.” Also any firearm with serial number removed.

RESPONSE : Johnson adds, “about 31 percent of firearms seized by Toronto police each year are considered “crime guns.” Toronto police data show the percentage of so-called “crime guns” traced to Canada fell for a second straight year in 2017 to the lowest level in at least four years, contrasting with claims that outlaws are getting more of their firearms from domestic sources.
Only 20 percent of firearms, airguns, toy guns or replicas seized by the Toronto Police Service and deemed “crime guns” were traced to Canada in 2017, the least since at least 2014, according to calculations by TheGunBlog.ca based on police statistics. The earliest year available was 2014.
It is not clear what effect increased restrictions or a ban on handguns would cause for Canada’s Olympic shooting competitors. (via olympic.ca)

More than a third of the so-called “crime guns” seized by Toronto police last year weren’t firearms, and many were never used in a crime, according to an analysis of police data obtained by Dennis Young, fuelling new concern about the reliability of statistics.
The data show 469, or 65 percent, of the 726 “crime guns” seized by Toronto police in 2017 were counted among the three classes of firearms in the Firearms Act: “Non-restricted,” “Restricted” or “Prohibited.” That leaves 35 percent that weren’t firearms regulated by the Firearms Act.
Police use their best judgement when investigating and reporting on complex crimes with imperfect information. But counting non-firearms and non-crimes as “crime guns” makes the data unreliable and undermines trust in police records.
Response: Dennis R Young (retired RCMP) and Gary Mauser (professor emeritus) and others have researched gun issues extensively, often through access to information (ATIP) requests on government and police documents.
From the website Justice for Gun Owners, “Between 2007-2016, StatsCan reports that only 5% of the firearms involved in homicides were registered and used by someone other than the legal owner to commit murder – this percentage includes thefts as well as straw purchases”
Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale who leads the gun-control issue and Bill C-71 with its proposed new restrictions on gun owners has tweeted, “With so many crime guns coming from legitimate domestic sources, we need effective firearm measures that prioritize public safety while ensuring fair treatment for law-abiding firearm owners.” revealed they had no information on stolen firearms whether from private citizens, retailers, museums, police, military or other”.
Presumably legitimate domestic sources means “stolen” from legal owners, or perhaps “straw purchase”.
Canada Border Services Agency shows pistols it has seized attempting to come into Canada (Denis Dossmann/CBC)

Another ATIP request from Mr Young to Public Safety Canada headed by Minister Goodale revealed they had no information on stolen firearms whether from private citizens, retailers, museums, police, military or other.”
Response : Tracey Wilson- VP Public Relations, Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights
“I attended the Summit on Gun & Gang Violence last March on invitation from the Minister. The resounding issues and complaints brought forth by law enforcement at every level was there was a lack of credible data to verify any of this debate about domestically sourced.
As far as those stolen from legal firearms owners homes – since when is the answer to a victim of crime (theft) to ban them from owning it in the first place? Is this not victim blaming? Have they completely given up on prevention, crime solving and investigative policing?”
Straw Purchases

“The straw purchase issue is high profile because media chooses to use it as an example of lax gun control laws without any statistical evidence, and with unsubstantiated remarks from some law enforcement officer”. B Hagen, NFA.
An ATIP request from Mr Young to Canada’s national police force, The Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) indicated that they could find no documents related to so-called “straw purchases” in their files .
Response: Nicolas Johnson- TheGunBlog.ca
– Canada’s biggest municipal police force, Toronto, has quoted the same four straw purchasers for more than two years. That suggests it’s not a major issue, or we’d have a couple more names.
– Is it true that a tiny handful of licensed gun owners sell guns illegally? Yes. Does this reflect a broader or systemic problem? No.
– Canada’s firearm-licensing system is highly controversial and of questionable use for public safety, but it has yielded at least one accidental benefit. We have decades of statistics showing that millions of lawful, legitimate gun owners are the closest thing Canada has to a crimeless demographic
Response: Blair Hagen: National Firearms Association– advocacy group
It is important to remember that the firearms programme and provincial Chief Firearms Officer approve and track all transfers of restricted and prohibited firearms. They can and do investigate every transfer, they can even investigate the license holder making the purchase beyond routine investigations that are in effect now.
I personally have had many cases where license holders making legitimate purchases of multiple restricted firearms have been targeted for secondary investigation, interrogation by firearms officer and even inspection because of the purchase. The fact that it happens at all is being used to justify calls for gun bans. It is the extreme minority of illicit purchase and transfers.
There are two issues not being addressed.
The demand to confiscate the property of Canadians because of the risk of theft or illicit transfer. Since when do you punish people who have broken no laws and confiscate their property, and since when are victims of crimes made responsible for those crimes?
Response : Tracey Wilson- VP Public Relations, Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights
There have been very few cases of straw purchases, and as Mr Johnson (TheGunBlog.ca) stated, they seem to re-use the same ones over and over to prove a point. Fact is – this is already illegal and I think we’ve got the CFP failing to follow up on things, likely due to the fact they are already over-burdened with bureaucracy. Wait until C-71* kicks in and watch them fall apart. (*The proposed Liberal gun control legislation)
SUMMARY

According to these sources,

  • about a third of “crime guns” seized by police aren’t firearms at all.
  • The claimed number of domestically sourced crime guns stated by the federal government, some police officers, and by gun-control lobby groups is wildly exaggerated at best
  • The claimed number of straw purchases stated by the federal government, some police officers, and by gun-control lobby groups is wildly exaggerated at best
for more information on this subject
http://www.rcinet.ca/en/2018/12/03/t...-truth-part-1/






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Yeah- 77 percent of hand guns seized in Canada were traced back to United States!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And the other 23v percent of seized guns had their serial numbers filled off so they could not be traced back to United States!!!!!!!!!!!



LIE-berals are so silly when they lie about crime and their idiot catch and release legal system!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Here is an article reminding us of the poisoned nature of LIE-beral law and justice. With some comments of my own in brackets):

Alleged teen killer on bail at time of fatal stabbing.

By Sam Pazzano Courts Bureau. Published: August 21, 2018. Updated: August 21, 2018 7:13 PM EDT

Filed Under: Toronto SUN/ News/ Crime

A Toronto youth was on bail for an alleged armed robbery of another teen when he allegedly fatally stabbed 15-year-old Jack Meldrum in a senseless robbery near Sherway Gardens on Saturday night.

The 15-year-old accused killer, who cannot be legally identified under the Youth Criminal Justice Act, stood in court with two fingers bandaged on Tuesday and wearing a black Nike hoodie, as he made his first appearance on a second-degree murder charge stemming from Meldrum’s death on the weekend.

The teen was freed on $500 bail on April 13, 2018, one day after he allegedly used a knife to steal from another teen. The alleged victim cannot be identified for legal reasons.

(Gosh- I am so glad that LIE-berals impressed upon the kid the dangers of playing with knives- and of ROBBING PEOPLE! To get caught and then to go right back to work before the ink on your bail application is even dry takes a special sort of defiance! Or a completely ROTTEN LIE-beral legal system!)

The accused, who was coincidentally also scheduled to appear on his earlier robbery charge on Tuesday, moved gingerly in the prisoner’s box due to a healing back wound. He was remanded in custody until his next court appearance — via video — on Sept. 18.

Crown attorney Sarah Leece said the prosecution will be seeking an adult sentence for the youth on the alleged homicide.

His lawyer George Aristos said his client suffered an injury on Saturday night and was treated in hospital overnight, before police arrested him on the murder charge. The accused is being housed at the Roy McMurtry Youth Centre in Brampton.

(Oh? The punk was injured on Saturday night? Was that because a targeted victim FOUGHT BACK?)

Aristos said he expected the earlier, unrelated charge would soon be withdrawn. He asked the court to ensure his client receives “proper medical attention” for his healing injuries while in custody.

(And WHY would the earlier robbery charge be withdrawn? Shall we ask if this is not shameless LIE-beral PLEA BARGAINING in action? LIE-berals love making deals with thugs- in which big crimes become minor and minor crimes become INVISIBLE and it all saves on GRAVY FOR LIE-berals by limiting court costs and jail time for thugs!)

Meldrum was knifed to death in the west end in what his father Steve Meldrum called “a senseless act of violence.” It’s alleged the homicide occurred during a botched robbery.

Meldrum’s family has expressed their love for Meldrum who possessed a keen sense of humour and a gentle, kind way with younger relatives.

“This is the most confusing, surreal emotional experience that I could imagine any family going through,” wrote Jack’s cousin, Kelly Meldrum, on Facebook.

“I am at a complete loss for words, Jack Meldrum we will all miss you.”

(Yeah- your kid gets murdered by some thug that ought to be in jail but instead is on the loose and making more trouble, thanks to lazy and sloppy LIE-berals and it would be a hard thing to deal with!)
 
Tecumsehsbones
#10414
Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy View Post

Wait. . . I thought liberals LIKE trade!
 
JamesBondo
#10415
it pisses me off how they can create a term like 'crime guns' and then bolster the numbers so bad that 35% of 'crime guns' aren't firearms.
 
JamesBondo
#10416
good morning all!

I'm just bumping this thread because for some reason it annoys Curious George.
 
JamesBondo
#10417
bumpity bumpity
 
JamesBondo
#10418
bump
 
Tecumsehsbones
#10419
Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondo View Post

bump

If you'd done that a couple hours ago, you would have gone bump in the night.
 
spilledthebeer
#10420
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Wait. . . I thought liberals LIKE trade!


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POOR STUPID Tecumsehbonesforbrains!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!


He actually thinks gun smuggling is a useful form of trade!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And by making his inane remark- he reveals how desperate LIE-berals are becoming as their policies collapse into disgrace!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals have already told us their best LIES and seen those lies shot down in disgrace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So now desperate LIE-berals like our brainless T-gurly are just trying to CHANGE THE SUBJECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And hey- T-gurly- why do you keep DUCKING the question about cop training????????????????????????


You were working SO HARD to pretend you had the answers and now you will not share your wit?????????????????????



I guess you are dismayed at being shown up as wrong so very often and thus are keeping silent on issues you know nothing aboutt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Tecumsehsbones
#10421
Yep, Yanez was alone. All by his lonesome.

In that bag of macaroni and cheese that serves you for a brain, anyhow.
 
spilledthebeer
#10422
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

Yep, Yanez was alone. All by his lonesome.

In that bag of macaroni and cheese that serves you for a brain, anyhow.


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POOR TECUMSEHbonesforbrains!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!


He THINKS he is losing arguments to a bag of CHEESE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Hey T-gurly--forget about stretching your inadequate brain to explain your poisoned views on cop training............................


I think it would be more fun if you explained what exercises your doctors have you doing in an effort to get you connected with truth, logic and reality!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Decapoda
+1
#10423
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says his government plans to limit access to handguns and assault weapons to confront gun violence in the country.

Speaking to Montreal radio station 98.5 FM today on the anniversary of the 1989 Ecole Polytechnique massacre, Trudeau did not rule out a full ban when asked by the host.

The prime minister says the government is looking at different alternatives to address a situation he called unacceptable. But he says the goal is to limit the easy access criminals have to handguns and assault weapons.


Trudeau says government will limit access to handguns, assault weapons.


Only a hopelessly obtuse, deceptive fool like Trudeau would think that turning law abiding gun owners who currently possess legally owned guns into criminals is an honest way to achieve the goal of restricting easy access to criminals.

I'm still waiting too hear what Trudeau's definition of an " assault weapon" is, as this has not yet been defined. Threatening to take away legal property arbitrarily without definition is dishonest and corrupt.

Turning law-abiding citizens into criminals to display political virtue signalling and moral grandstanding is about as disgusting a move as a so-called leader can possibly make. This idiot is dangerous.
Last edited by Decapoda; 1 week ago at 01:04 PM..
 
spilledthebeer
#10424
Quote: Originally Posted by Decapoda View Post

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says his government plans to limit access to handguns and assault weapons to confront gun violence in the country.

Speaking to Montreal radio station 98.5 FM today on the anniversary of the 1989 Ecole Polytechnique massacre, Trudeau did not rule out a full ban when asked by the host.

The prime minister says the government is looking at different alternatives to address a situation he called unacceptable. But he says the goal is to limit the easy access criminals have to handguns and assault weapons.


Trudeau says government will limit access to handguns, assault weapons.


Only a hopelessly obtuse, deceptive fool like Trudeau would think that turning law abiding gun owners who currently possess legally owned guns into criminals is an honest way to achieve the goal of restricting easy access to criminals.

I'm still waiting too hear what Trudeau's definition of an " assault weapon" is, as this has not yet been defined. Threatening to take away legal property arbitrarily without definition is dishonest and corrupt.

Turning law-abiding citizens into criminals to display political virtue signalling and moral grandstanding is about as disgusting a move as a so-called leader can possibly make. This idiot is dangerous.




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And Our idiot Boy and his loser LIE-berals have ALREADY been so effective at keeping guns out of the hands of criminals!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I am sure Our idiot Boy can keep up his high standard of TALKING ABOUT CRIME PREVENTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!


And in related news -LIE-berals tell us that some of the guns used by Cdn criminals were stolen from other Cdns!!!!!!!!!!!!


And since natives DO NOT NEED to register their guns- should we be asking how many guns were SOLD by natives to other Cdn criminals?????????????


After all- it was Metis who started that grand cross border gun running business in the first place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Metis selling guns to Sioux and Blackfoot warriors starting in early 1800`s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So why should natives not sell guns to "settlers" in this modern age??????????????????????


And we all KNOW how law abiding natives are and what GREAT DEALS you can get on cigarettes at the native smoke shack



- since natives figure paying customs and excise and sales tax is only for white people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And since all the farmers seem to be armed now and eager to take pot shots at native thieves like Coulton Boushie - should we ask if Cdn natives are gun runners now?????????????????


And since LIE-berals are afraid to confront natives over cigarette taxes then it follows that LIE-berals may not confront native gun dealers either?????????????????????
 
JamesBondo
#10425
Spilledthebeer,

I have a private message that I would like to send you. Would you mind temporarily allowing private messages? Currently your profile has been blocking my message. Relax, it is not rude or threatening or anything like that.

JamesBondo
 
spilledthebeer
#10426
Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondo View Post

Spilledthebeer,

I have a private message that I would like to send you. Would you mind temporarily allowing private messages? Currently your profile has been blocking my message. Relax, it is not rude or threatening or anything like that.

JamesBondo




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LIE-BERALS like Bondo GOTTA LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




If you have something to say Bondo then post it here online!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Tay sent me a response, saying: here's something from the lefty Tyee:

(The Tyee is an online publication created by a former Vancouver Sun news editor who claims to have been fired after 9/11 for being “too left wing”. Tyee has won a number of awards for being a noteworthy small, or local news outlet. Tyee writers reviewed the Max Nemni biography of the young Pierre Trudeau and referred to the book as “Pierre Trudeau`s fascist education”. The Globe and Mail also commented on the book and described the Trudeau revealed by long time Trudeau friend and self professed staunch LIE-beral Nemni as “pro fascist”! The Ottawa Citizen also reviewed the Nemni book and went so far as to suggest that Our Pet would never have become prime minister if his writings and true values were revealed to the public!)

(I have added some comments of my own in brackets):

Why it’s a mistake to celebrate the crackdown on hate web sites

Many people understandably applaud these efforts to stamp out hate speech and other objectionable content. However, internet companies’ efforts as de facto regulators of speech raises serious questions: How should online content be regulated? By whom?

(Sadly FREE SPEECH is being silenced as a result of personal animosities and personal values. Much of what constitutes “hate speech’ in Canada is nothing more than a growing anger at LIE-beral policies!)

The takedown of the Daily Stormer undoubtedly makes the world a better place. But do we really want companies like Facebook and Twitter to decide – independently, arbitrarily and secretly – what content we can access and share?

Given these seemingly intractable problems, what can we do? First, we should avoid governing on the basis of protests or media pressure. Instead, we need a clear set of rules to enable intermediaries to respond consistently, transparently and with respect for due process, as Prince recommended.

(OH LOVELY! We already know what sort of rules a LIE-beral govt will write for us! They will SILENCE ANYBODY who is critical of their policies! LIE-berals are hard at work trying to write their M-103-anti Islamophobia crap into LAW! Sensible debate regarding the cost and consequences of reckless LIE-beral immigration policy and national security failings are regarded as “hate speech’ by reverse racist LIE-berals!)

Governments should clarify the nature of and, importantly, the limitations of intermediaries’ regulatory responsibilities. Finally, we must stop governing in response to specific crises – so-called “fake news,” terrorism and hate groups – and instead think critically about how we can and should govern the internet.

(Currently, our media is dominated by LIE-beral friendly reporters. Further, our media “follows the money” and currently media feels it can make more money pandering to LIE-beral minded Cdns . One example of this one sided/ follow the money is the sudden reversal of CBC policy regarding the LIE-beral “Mydemocracy” web site that offered Cdns two choices: we could like electoral reform or we could love electoral- LIE-berals left no room for disgusted Cdns to tell LIE-berals that their vote rigging scam, was Not appreciated! To its credit, CBC was, for once, on the right side of Cdn opinion and scorned the LIE-beral manipulations!)

(But the CBC/Mydemocracy response was Not typical of Cdn media. Media writes happily of how hard life is on a native reserve- but somehow they skip over the drugs, violence, and endemic corruption and endless sense of self pity and LIE-beral promoted “victimhood’ that are blighting native lives. Media has lots to say about third world conditions where natives cannot drink their tap water safely- but ignore the reality that there ARE water purification plants on the reserves- supplied by govt but too often NOT in use simply because no educated person can be found who is willing to live in the pest hole reserve- so the machinery is UNUSED! And the tap water must be boiled!)

(Natives complain about not having jobs and about the cost of food. But media does not bother to point out that natives do not produce their own food any more and live in such remote isolation that shipping anything to them is hugely costly! Media ignores the reality that a typical native reserve is set up according to an economic model that is now dead and buried. Natives have a choice- if they wish to have jobs and prosperity then they must follow the world wide trend and go to school and then move to a city. The only alternative is to remain isolated in the woods; being kept as unwanted pets by white govt! With the added bonus that LIE-beral govt is closing its eyes to endemic corruption on reserves. Media reports have delicately danced around the issue of prescription drug abuse by natives and media has FAILED to discuss how and why natives have so much easy access to prescription drugs.)

(As I have stated before- we are witnessing the TOTAL FAILURE of all LIE-beral policy!)
 
JamesBondo
#10427
Quote: Originally Posted by spilledthebeer View Post

If you have something to say Bondo then post it here online!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think I know you from another website where your name was Dramaman
 
JamesBondo
#10428
Btw, I am not a ****ing liberal.
 
spilledthebeer
#10429
Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondo View Post

Btw, I am not a ****ing liberal.


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Drama.......whatever??????????????????


NOPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


As for you being a LIE-beral- if you walk like a LIE-beral



talk like a LIE-beral


think ;like a LIE-beral


and support all things LIE-beral


that is close enough for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


YOU ARE A +++++++++=LIE-beral!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
JamesBondo
#10430
I don't talk like a liberal, I don't think like a liberal, I don't support anything liberal, and you are a fu8king asshole liar. maybe a troll, or possibly at the very least a complete fu8king fool.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
-1
#10431
Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondo View Post

I don't talk like a liberal, I don't think like a liberal, I don't support anything liberal, and you are a fu8king asshole liar. maybe a troll, or possibly at the very least a complete fu8king fool.


I'm not sure you are winning friends or influencing people!
 
MHz
#10432
If handguns were made legal and 'shooting your mouth off' carried a hefty fine there would not be any deaths past 'the ones that needed killing'.
 
JamesBondo
#10433
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz View Post

If handguns were made legal and 'shooting your mouth off' carried a hefty fine there would not be any deaths past 'the ones that needed killing'.

I am going to assume that you aren't posting with even a shred of intent to be serious because if you want freedom of speech, others must have it too. Only a leftard would want to make shooting your mouth off a crime.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#10434
Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondo View Post

I am going to assume that you aren't posting with even a shred of intent to be serious because if you want freedom of speech, others must have it too. Only a leftard would want to make shooting your mouth off a crime.


Quite often there is much more to be gained from LISTENING than from talking! (Hoid and Curious Canadian might gain from this)
 
JamesBondo
+1
#10435
Quote: Originally Posted by JLM View Post

Quite often there is much more to be gained from LISTENING than from talking! (Hoid and Curious Canadian might gain from this)

sorry about the neg rep. The thumbs arent visible until the fix the website so it is sometimes a crap shoot when i try to give someone a thumbsup
 
pgs
Free Thinker
#10436
Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondo View Post

sorry about the neg rep. The thumbs arent visible until the fix the website so it is sometimes a crap shoot when i try to give someone a thumbsup

Why worry , negative reps are a badge of honour .
 
Tecumsehsbones
+1
#10437
Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondo View Post

I don't talk like a liberal, I don't think like a liberal, I don't support anything liberal, and you are a fu8king asshole liar. maybe a troll, or possibly at the very least a complete fu8king fool.

James. . .

"Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig."
--Robert A. Heinlein
 
JamesBondo
#10438
Quote: Originally Posted by pgs View Post

Why worry , negative reps are a badge of honour .



Thanks for that but not everyone uses them or receives them the same way.


I try not to give thumbsdown unless it is something like cliffy's stupid memes. You are probably correct, cliffy probably sees it as a badge of honor. maybe I'll stop.
 
JamesBondo
#10439
Quote: Originally Posted by Tecumsehsbones View Post

James. . .
"Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig."
--Robert A. Heinlein

LOL my response to beerboy is not for his benefit. it is just to set the record straight for everyone reading his crap.
 
spilledthebeer
#10440
Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondo View Post

LOL my response to beerboy is not for his benefit. it is just to set the record straight for everyone reading his crap.




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POOR STUPID BONDO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


His insistence that he is NOT A LIE-beral is just as silly as his lord and master- Our idiot Boy Justin - insisting that LIE-berals in our



Senate are now magically NOT LIE-berals any more - simply because Our idiot Boy has taken away their official PARTY CARDS!!!!!!!!!!


And hey- BONDO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If you truly wish to dis-associate your self from LIE-berals it WOULD HELP if you stopped trying to CENSOR any view that is critical of LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And most critical of all- YOU SHOULD IMMEDIATELY APOLOGIZE-- for trying to use the VILE, poisoned, DELIBERATELY WRONG



AND ENTIRELY SELFISH CBC/LIE-beral interpretation of "fair use" of political commentary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Currently you stand exposed to the world as a typical LIE-beral who has decided that forbidding people from discussing topics you



find embarrassing and which you cannot dominate to YOUR ADVANTAGE ---is BEST FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



What a NASTY LITTLE COMMISSAR YOU WILL MAKE IF LIE-berals fully get their way in our govt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!