Trudeau Is Going To Bury Us In Debt


Tecumsehsbones
#211
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Doesn't matter - When you call a heterosexual person, queer (which you've done on two occasions I can think of) you've crossed a line I would never think of crossing) Anyway I'm quitting the profanity as it just puts me in the same boat as you, which isn't my normal standard!

I do think of crossing it. Not because being called gay bothers me, but because I know it bothers you.

You quit the profanity and direct insults, I'll restrict myself to addressing your points.

I invite you to call it to my attention, on the board or by PM, if you feel I've violated what I just said. If I agree with you, or even if I don't but feel you have a point, you'll have a full, unreserved apology from me, which for me includes a commitment to do better.
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#212
Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

I do think of crossing it. Not because being called gay bothers me, but because I know it bothers you.
You quit the profanity and direct insults, I'll restrict myself to addressing your points.
I invite you to call it to my attention, on the board or by PM, if you feel I've violated what I just said. If I agree with you, or even if I don't but feel you have a point, you'll have a full, unreserved apology from me, which for me includes a commitment to do better.

Good, making disparaging accusations is one thing, but making disparaging accusations that aren't true is in an entirely different "ball park".
 
JamesBondo
#213
so no more douchebaggery?
 
Tecumsehsbones
#214
Quote: Originally Posted by JamesBondoView Post

so no more douchebaggery?

Let's not go overboard. I think JLM and I have agreed to LESS douchebaggery.
 
spilledthebeer
#215
Quote: Originally Posted by DecapodaView Post

Guess we should brace ourselves once again, just waiting for word on the Liberals' fall fiscal update. I wonder what Morneau and potato have in store for the next 6 months...it's doubtful it will be anything that would include any semblance of fiscal restraint or responsibility.

Liberal deficits, apparently, work for everyone


We assume he’ll assure Canadians the federal Liberal’s track record of rising debt, massive deficits, tax hikes and growing government red tape were part of a proven plan to modestly grow Canada’s economy over the past three years.

That adding a national carbon tax that will hike the cost of gas, groceries and cost of living will magically put more money into everyone’s pockets.

That following his government’s taxpayer credit-card fueled spending spree, that saw government spending top $300 billion annually for the first time ever, fiscal responsibility and balanced budgets are on the horizon.

Meanwhile, fiscal irresponsibility has defined the past three years.

During the 2015 federal election campaign, then Liberal leader Justin Trudeau predicted that if elected he would run a $9.9 billion deficit in 2016-17.

Instead, it hit $19 billion — 92% higher than planned.


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OH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals LYING AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!


In 2016 that deficit was reported AS THIRTY TWO BILLION DOLLARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But now LIE-berals have magically made it into ONLY $19 billion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Which of the LIE-beral LIES should we believe THIS TIME????????????????????????????


And is it a LIE-beral "STRETCH GOAL" to convince us that we should believe ANYTHING A LIE-beral tells us??????????????


And shall we ask if LIE-berals are using the same currency as the rest of us?????????????


How else to explain the difference between $19 billion and $32 billion?????????????


And how else to explain Wynne-bag LIE-beral accounting in which a LIE-beral PROMISE of $55 billion dollars in pension top ups to teachers- meaning DEBT TO BE PAID- MAGICALLY BECAME A $10 billion dollar PENSION ASSET when Wynne-bag decided she needed to "balance the budget"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals repeatedly promise us open, honest and fair govt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So why dont they tell us HOW MUCH EXTRA PENSION GRAVY they have promised to civil service union Hogs in exchange for their



support at election time????????????????????????????


In 2012- LIE-beral loving news media STOPPED telling us about the HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN EXTRA PENSION



PAYMENTS THE HOGS WOULD NEED to avoid their pension funds going BANKRUPT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals who want to be honest should immediately tell us how much of the Ontari-owe electricity price gouging cash was paid to Hogs- as pension gravy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And LIE-berals should tell us how much of their carbon crap and trade tax scam cash is being directed into the pockets of Hogs!!!!!!!!!!


Anything less than such truth and disclosure is just MORE LIE-beral FAKE NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#216
Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

Let's not go overboard. I think JLM and I have agreed to LESS douchebaggery.


As long as it's in a friendly tone!
 
JamesBondo
#217
. . . .
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#218
This could easily go into is he an idiot thread I chose to put it here

Trudeau's $50M tweet draws attacks

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OTTAWA - Canada will contribute $50 million to a global charity for children's education, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau tweeted to comedian Trevor Noah, a pledge that quickly drew criticism both for its content and its form.
Celebrities gathered in Johannesburg, South Africa on Sunday for the Global Citizen Festival: Mandela 100, a charity concert honouring Nelson Mandela a century after he was born.
Trudeau tweeted to Noah, who is hosting the festival, that Canada would give the money to Education Cannot Wait, an organization that funds education for children affected by conflicts, natural disasters and other crises.
Global Citizen is an organization that wants to end extreme poverty by 2030. Its Mandela 100 campaign sought to bring in US$1 billion in donations, and Global Citizen tweeted that the campaign surpassed that goal, bringing in over $7 billion.
"Hey @Trevornoah - thanks for everything you’re doing to celebrate Nelson Mandela’s legacy at the @GlblCtzn festival. Sorry I can’t be with you - but how about Canada pledges $50M to @EduCannotWait to support education for women & girls around the world? Work for you? Let’s do it," Trudeau tweeted to the South African comedian and "The Daily Show" host.
Noah said "This is amazing!" as Trudeau’s tweet was shown on a big screen at the concert.
But back in Canada critics were less enthusiastic. Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer accused Trudeau of pledging $50 million in a tweet to impress a TV personality.
"Taxpayers need a defender not somebody who throws their money around to be popular with celebrities," Scheer tweeted.
Similarly, Conservative MP Michelle Rempel tweeted that Trudeau's message was "tone deaf" and also accused him of trying to get noticed by a TV star and said the money had not been budgeted for.
Louis Belanger, the director of communications for International Development Minister Marie-Claude Bibeau, said the $50 million is part of $400 million in aid previously announced during the G7 Summit in Charlevoix, Que., near Quebec City, in June.
Belanger said Education Cannot Wait is one of the only funds that specifically helps girls' education in places such as refugee camps and war zones.
"This is the type of funding that we had our eye on since we announced it in Quebec City," he said.
Belanger said the decision to announce the $50 million was made three weeks ago but officials had been talking about giving to Education Cannot Wait for months.
He said the organization operates in Jordan, Lebanon and South Sudan and in camps where people have been displaced by the west African terrorist group Boko Haram, for example.
"We think it's important for girls to continue their education and that's why we're moving forward," he said.
Trudeau's principal secretary Gerald Butts took to Twitter to defend the move.
"This money is going to educate women and girls in the developing world, in commemoration of Nelson Mandela’s 100th birthday," he tweeted, adding, "And the Leader of the Conservative Party of Canada’s reaction..." and included a link to Scheer's tweet.
Toronto-based lawyer and former Liberal staffer Warren Kinsella tweeted that Education Cannot Wait is a worthy cause, but called Trudeau's tweet an "appalling" way for the decision to be communicated, "to a American-based TV host, no less."

This UN human council bid is going to break us
 
spilledthebeer
#219
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_MooseView Post

This could easily go into is he an idiot thread I chose to put it here

Trudeau's $50M tweet draws attacks



This UN human council bid is going to break us


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Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Our idiot Boy Justin has decided that money is no object when it comes to him getting a seat at the big kids table!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That $50 million dollar gift is only a DOWN PAYMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Millions more must be paid directly to the U.N. for the privilege of being at the big table!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Even worse- Our idiot Boy apparently needs the support of third world dictators such as Cuba to ensure he gets a seat!


So he is sucking up to dictators around the world so he can do his virtue signalling nonsense in a major forum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And is it not ABSURD that Our idiot Boy will get voted out of Pm`s office- right around the time the United Nations vote is taken!!!!!!!!!!!!


CANADIANS WILL HAVE PAID OUT MILLIONS - for a seat that the new Conservative govt will recognize is a COSTLY WASTE OF TIME!!!!!!!!!!


And most Cdns will AGREE with that assessment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
EagleSmack
#220
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_MooseView Post

This could easily go into is he an idiot thread I chose to put it here

Trudeau's $50M tweet draws attacks


Why not both?
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#221
Canada is set to sign onto the UN migration pact. Here’s what you need to know
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#222
"Is going to" is a misnomer!
 
DaSleeper
#223
Trudeau is just another Globalist!
 
spilledthebeer
#224
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeperView Post

Trudeau is just another Globalist!


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Actually Our idiot Boy Trudeau is no more a "Globalist" than any other wanna-be dictator!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy merely plays to the crowd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


He works on the theory that if he has lots of smiling faces around him then people will not see him as so much of a threat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy could just as easily turn Canada into another North Korea - with NO contact with the outside world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


After all- no contact means NO ARGUMENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals have already told us they want to CENSOR the internet in order to remove Fake News and hate speech!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But so far all LIE-beral efforts have been centred on silencing THEIR CRITICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


We have even had articles explaining how CBC is miss-using so called "fair usage" laws related to repeating quotes from various sources in news media presentations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Yes- CBC HAS BEEN CAUGHT DELIBERATELY SILENCING other main stream news media and anti LIE-beral political parties during the 2015 election that brought Our idiot Boy to power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And such deliberate miss-use of fair usage laws have even been tried ON THIS FORUM by James Bondo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



In such a closed society- LIE-beral dictators can tell us anything they like about the alleged ugly outside world - that they CLAIM to be shielding us from!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And we ALREADY KNOW that LIE-berals see nothing wrong with LYING about the condition of our economy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If our economy is booming as LIE-berals claim then WHY are we being so grossly loaded with DEBTS- while our infrastructure collapses in rot and neglect????????????????????????????



There IS A REASON why Our idiot Boy chose to blurt out his thought "that he likes the way the Chinese get things done"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy LIKES the idea of snapping his fingers and watching the peasants JUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy LIKES the idea of LIMITED debate - in the Chinese style where the LEADER proposes an idea and you have the choice of either LIKING the idea- or of LOVING the idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Even the LIE-beral loving CBC recognized the MESS LIE-berals had made with their MyDemocracy web site asking us what we thought of their electoral reform CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals RIGGED MYDemocracy in EXACTLY the Chinese Soviet style!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


MyDemocracy gave us the choice to either LIKE or LOVE electoral reform!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But MYDemocracy gave us NO OPTION FOR EXPRESSING DISLIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Even worse- anybody who did want to comment on MyDemocracy had to supply enough personal information that LIE-berals could figure out what street you lived on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And one has to ask WHY LIE-berals wanted such detailed information???????????????


Should we assume that LIE-berals were seeking to identify towns and cities where enemies lived- so they could direct govt gravy AWAY from such people???????????????????????


And now LIE-berals have set up another web site where people can express their thoughts about greater gun control!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But the gun control web site DOES NOT DEMAND personal information- nor does it restrict comment only to Cdns- anybody from around the world can comment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Even worse- the gun control web site DOES NOT prevent a single commentator from making MULTIPLE COMMENTS- as if one person were actually a LARGE GROUP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals excel at asking questions in such fashion that they ONLY get answers of a sort they LIKE!!!!!!!!!!



But LIE-berals DO LIKE the Chinese approach to dealing with dissent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If you state "I dont like that LIE-beral idea" - then they think you deserve a trip to a RE-EDUCATION CAMP for some beatings and forced labour- in the usual Soviet style!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is NOT a large moral jump from hauling LIE-beral critics into a Human Rights Kangaroo Court- and instead of fining the vixtim- you send him to "anger management classes" or to "sensitivity training" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-beral social justice is a slippery slope into dictatorship!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And how many people who are currently scoffing at the LIE-beral carbon crap and trade scam that only cleans cash from wallets and leaves the dirt in the air would get a FREE TRIP to some isolated LIE-beral re-education camp if only Our idiot Boy had slightly more authority?????????????????



That thought should SCARE anybody who is skeptical of ANY LIE-beral policy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


We have seen the LIE-beral response to critics and it is to shout RACIST at anybody who disagrees with them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And in the eyes of our Human Rights Kangaroo Courts- guided by LIE-beral Hug a Thug judges- to be a Racist IS A CRIMINAL ACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



There IS A REASON why our idiot Boy considered Cuban Soviet dictator Castro to be a close family friend and a man to ADMIRE!!!!!!



And that reason has NOTHING to do with being a Globalist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
spilledthebeer
#225
Quote: Originally Posted by Twin_MooseView Post

Canada is set to sign onto the UN migration pact. Here’s what you need to know


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Yes- fortunately the vile document is non binding at this time and merely makes "recommendations"!


But there is no doubt that various despots and third world dictators and assorted air head LIE-berals would like to see it made into law!!!


And of course the U.N. suggestion that being critical of immigrants or U.N. immigration values should be made ILLEGAL and criminal fit very neatly into Cdn LIE-beral social justice of the sort desired by Our idiot Boy Justin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


One has only to think of the Calgary Imam standing in front of a cheering Muslim crowd and telling them that God says it is acceptable to KILL GAYS to prevent them from sinning again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is quite reasonable to assume that if the U.N. ever tried to push this vile social justice warrior/immigration crap into law then the ENTIRE U.N. security council would vote it out of existence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
JLM
No Party Affiliation
#226
It comes with being born with a platinum spoon in one's mouth & getting no direction from any sane people!
 
spilledthebeer
#227
Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

It comes with being born with a platinum spoon in one's mouth & getting no direction from any sane people!


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Our idiot Boy Justin is just as sane as any other aspiring third world Soviet style dictator!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


We have only to recall papa Pierre Trudeau writing in his book "Two Innocents in Red China" of what Pierre called "the genius of Chairman Mao in rushing 30 million Chinese to the gallows"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals abhor state sponsored murder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


UNLESS LIE-BERALS BENEFIT FROM IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


With a father like that- endorsing wholesale state sponsored SLAUGHTER - one has to ask why Our idiot Boy did not change his name to something less TAINTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Tecumsehsbones
#228
Joseph Kauser

St. Anthony cop who accompanied Yanez during traffic stop of Castile.
He met Yanez on Larpenteur Avenue and approached the passenger-side window of Castile’s car while Yanez went to driver’s side. Kauser testified in court that he didn’t smell burnt marijuana at car — Yanez told authorities he could — and that he never saw a gun in Castile’s car nor perceived the situation as potentially threatening until shots rang out. He also said he was surprised when Yanez drew his gun and fired, but said he had a different vantage point than Yanez and trusted his partner’s decision and believes he “followed protocol.” Kauser never drew his own gun during the incident.

https://www.twincities.com/2017/06/1...said-at-trial/
 
spilledthebeer
#229
Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

Joseph Kauser

St. Anthony cop who accompanied Yanez during traffic stop of Castile.
He met Yanez on Larpenteur Avenue and approached the passenger-side window of Castile’s car while Yanez went to driver’s side. Kauser testified in court that he didn’t smell burnt marijuana at car — Yanez told authorities he could — and that he never saw a gun in Castile’s car nor perceived the situation as potentially threatening until shots rang out. He also said he was surprised when Yanez drew his gun and fired, but said he had a different vantage point than Yanez and trusted his partner’s decision and believes he “followed protocol.” Kauser never drew his own gun during the incident.

https://www.twincities.com/2017/06/1...said-at-trial/


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Oh Tecumsehbonesforbrains!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!


You do LIE so smoothly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The TRUE TESTIMONY was that the second cop was a mile or more away when Yannez made the choice to stop Castile!!!!!!!!!!!!


The second cop- that you insist was Yannez partner was not even in sight as Yannez approached the Castile car window and began talking to the armed idiot STONER- the one who matched the description of an armed store robber!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Castile repeatedly reached into his pocket - the one containing his own gun -while Yannez tried to talk sense to the STONER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Castile repeatedly IGNORED WARNINGS to keep his hands away from the gun and got shot simply because he was an idiot stoner who kept reaching for his gun in spite of repeated warnings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That second cop had just got out of his car when Yannez fired at the ARMED THREAT in the car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE as much and as often as you want T-gurly but you are exposed for what you are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



The second cop was just opening hi car door when YANNEZ pulled his gun and fired- in response to Castile fumbling in his pockets for HIS OWN PISTOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And the TRUTH is that IF the second cop HAD seen what Castile was doing with his hands and his pistol- Castile MIGHT have been shot by the second cop as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But that second cop was well out of range and just arrived and did not know what was going on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#230
Payout cost for bungled gov’t truck contract is secret…the reason for that is also secret

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Procurement Minister Carla Qualtrough and her bureaucrats at Public Services and Procurement Canada will often claim that the various purchases the department makes using your tax dollars are “fair, open and transparent.”
It’s the mantra at Public Services.
There are ongoing questions whether the procurements are actually fair. And the “open and transparent” part is open to question.
Take for instance my latest article where I report how taxpayers – like you – are on the hook for potentially tens of millions of dollars after federal bureaucrats bungled the purchase of trucks for the Canadian Forces.
Public Services and Procurement Canada now must make good on the lost profits for a U.S. firm who complained that the process was unfair and had its complaint backed up by a trade tribunal.
The department, which oversaw the flawed defence procurement, declined to provide details on just how much the penalties will cost the public.
Defence industry representatives, however, say the penalty being paid to the U.S. company, Oshkosh, could be as high as $60 million as it has to account for lost profit on the $834-million truck contract as well as other expenses the firm incurred.
My article published Sunday night noted that the department claimed details of the payout are confidential. It did not explain why the penalties that taxpayers must shoulder should be considered secret.
On Monday I asked Public Services and Procurement Canada the following: “I would like a detailed description on why taxpayers who paid the penalty to Oshkosh for the SMP truck deal are not allowed details about how much they had to pay?”
The answer? Public Services and Procurement Canada wouldn’t provide one.
Alan Williams, the former DND head of procurement who also worked for a time at Public Works, noted that the figure should be made available to taxpayers. “I believe that it has to appear in the Public Accounts,” he explained. “It may be combined with other such legal obligations making it harder to identify by itself.”

 
Hoid
#231
This procurement is Harper's baby

Like the phoenix pay system.
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#232
Why is it being kept as a secret by the Libs? You would think they would be throwing out into the paid for media pointing fingers wouldn't you?
 
spilledthebeer
#233
Quote: Originally Posted by HoidView Post

This procurement is Harper's baby

Like the phoenix pay system.


OH POOR STUPID HOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!


Your posts REEK OF FRANTIC DESPERATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The Phoenix py system was at the EXPERIMENTAL STAGE when Harper left office!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


it was Our idiot Boy that ordered it turned on- full power and NO PRELIMINARY TESTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


AND NO BACKUP PLAN EITHER if Phoenix did not work as its civil service union Hog CREATORS assured LIE-berals it would- and were proven WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


PHOENIX is the FEDERAL LIE-beral version of Wynne-bag Ontari-owe E-HEALTH SCANDAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



As for the truck crap - STARTED with LIE-beral Jean Chretien about 20 odd years ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !



The back ground:



LIE-berals had hit the debt wall and Chretien was looking for savings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And around that time Transport Canada ordered ALL CDN TOWED ARTILLERY OFF THE PUBLIC ROADS- due to ROTTED OUT WHEELS AND FRAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Transport Canada then came down hoard on the rusty army trucks themselves for being ancient rattle traps!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So LIE-berals bought a bunch more trucks from a manufacturer named White- and White HAS EXPERIENCE building military vehicles- allied armies used THOUSANDS of White Half Track armoured personnel vehicles in during WW2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But the LIE-beral FIX was IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!


Chretien wanted CHEAP TRUCKS AND THAT is WHAT HE GOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And the trucks disintegrated at the Alberta military test range where Cdn military vehicles are routinely tested and drivers trained and

etc...................


And there were harsh words and lawsuits about the trucks and the SPECIFICATIONS WRITTEN BY LIE-BERALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And LIE-berals were already STUNG by public reaction to their decision to pay $500 million dollars in penalties for the privilege of backing out of the EH 101 helicopter deal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So the LIE-beral solution to the broken truck problem was to SHUT DOWN the truck test facility and limit the ability of critics to find out HOW BAD the vehicles really were!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And when Cdn combat group was sent to Afghanistan by Chretien LIE-berals with utterly inadequate equipment- those worn out and completely UN- armoured Iltis jeeps -- Harper Conservatives bought state of the art LAV3 8 wheel drive armoured vehicles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But the LAV 3`s all stayed in Afghanistan- either too worn out to bother shipping home or as gifts to the Afghan Army!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Perhaps you will recall that ANY equipment needed by Cdn military had to WAIT until Chretien could arrange with one of our allies till they had a spare ship to carry Cdn gear to Afghanistan?????????????????????????


And that Harper bought some of those Yankee C5A Galaxy cargo planes so Cdns could haul their own gear?????????????


And Harper knew the army needed some new vehicles to replace the worn out ones left behind in Afghanistan and started the procurement process- which Our idiot Boy took over after the 2015 election!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Meaning there has been PLENTY OF TIME for LIE-berals to get their fingers on the contracts and re-write them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The latest news photos DO NOT SHOW eight wheeled CDN LAV 3`s !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



The LATEST PHOTOS show 4 wheel armoured machines that are about HALF the size of LAV 3`s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


SO WHAT HAVE LIE-BERALS BOUGHT US??????????????????????????????????


Is the latest LIE-beral truck "deal" comparable to the CRAP White truck deal from 15 years back in the Chretien era?????????????????


Sure sounds that way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And is the latest LIE-beral truck deal comparable to the EH 101 helicopter fiasco?????????????????



LIE-berals paid out $500 million dollars so they would NOT have to buy EH101 helicopters and instead they bought a related product- the Cormorant- and then paid out MILLIONS MORE to repair FAULTY TAIL ROTORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals BY-PASSED the EH 101 with its 3 engines and its PROVEN ABILITY to fly safely back to base with one engine out !!!!!!!!!!!!


And instead - LIE-berals bought us Cormorants with 2 engines and faulty tail rotors and the Cormorants offer ONLY the promise they wont hit the ground TOO HARD and be be wrecked if an engine goes out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



The Cormorants are NOT as safe as EH 101`s and cannot haul as big a load either!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1



So fast forward- and Our idiot Boy and his loser LIE-berals are under fire from Trump for being NATO SLACKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And Trump is picking on NAFTA as a way to force LIE-berals to get serious about national security and Our idiot Boy decides to get his hands on various military contracts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And LIE-berals HATE the military and need to spend some money- but want to BUY ONLY THE LEAST LETHAL CRAP THEY CAN FIND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Which is why LIE-berals MADE A BIG DEAL out of completing a couple of the virtually UNARMED De Wolf Arctic patrol ships and have said NOTHING about the MAJOR LIE_beral orchestrated DELAYS to the building of new RCN destroyers- because LIE-berals do not believe our navy should HAVE such weapons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



So that is what happened to the new destroyers that Harper ordered????????????????????????????


The orders are not cancelled- they have just been LIE-beraled- loaded down with all sorts of design questions and operational options designed PURELY SO LIE-berals CAN PRETEND THEY ARE BUYING WARSHIPS - when in fact they are working HARD NOT TO BUY ANY WAR SHIPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


As for the latest army vehicles - it seems LIE-berals have been fiddling with that too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Why not BUY MORE of the LAV 3`s that have given good service in an ACTUAL WAR ZONE????????????????????


And the LAV 3`s are made in London Ontari-we.........but oh dear- Ontari-owe is HOSTILE to LIE-berals these days as former premier WYnne-bag - with her RECORD LOW political approval rating can attest to- so WHY would LIE-berals want to buy GOOD vehicles from an Ontari-owe supplier??????????????????


LIE-berals despise the army and choose always the most crappy weapons and limited effectiveness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Recall the Cdn shock when it was discovered during the Kosovo bombing campaign that Cdn fighter WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO ASSIST for TWO REASONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Chretien was working SO HARD to avoid that NATO SLACKER label- and his planes were FLAT OUT REJECTED a a security risk!!!!!



Firstly- because Cdn radios were so obsolete they could not talk to other NATO pilots without enemies listening in to the OBSOLETE CODES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And secondly- because the F18`s that had been very grudgingly bought by Pierre Trudeau- to avoid his own condemnation as a NATO SLACKER- did not have any bomb racks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yeah- those "modern" Cdn fighters had no way to attack targets on the ground!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And of course -Chretien was forced to order improvements to the F 18`s- to avoid his own condemnation as a NATO SLACKER!!!!!!!!!!

And Our idiot Boy Justin is PM and he is in the middle of YET ANTHER MILITARY PURCHASE SCANDAL involving crappy vehicles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That Our idiot Boy DID NOT WANT TO BUY in the first place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And LIE-berals like HOID want to put blame on Harper for the changes made by LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Oh that is JUST LIE-BERAL BUSINESS AS USUAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!


And who wants to BET that RCN will NEVER HAVE any new destroyers as long as we have a LIE-beral govt????????????????


One has only to look at the court case over that Cdn admiral Norman to see that LIE-berals have been having their way with ship specifications !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals just believe it is WRONG to buy our military ANYTHING USEFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And reliability and cost are NOT important in LIE-beral land!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


There is the truth behind the latest truck purchase!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And is it not ODD that are just as many whines about LIE-beral purchased army vehicles as there are about LIE-beral purchased Alternative fuel buses purchased for TTC from Bombardier?????????????????????


A CYNIC MIGHT SEE A PATTERN THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Decapoda
#234
Quote: Originally Posted by HoidView Post

This procurement is Harper's baby

Kind of like the F-35 procurement was Chretien's and Martin's.

Meanwhile, let's come back to 2019 and bring the topic back to relevance...

Numbers are in and Trudeau's infrastructure plan is largely useless


Would it surprise you to find out that the federal Liberals’ 10-year, $187-billion infrastructure plan has been largely useless so far?

“Really!?,” you ask. “Grotesque overspending by Ottawa has been mostly ineffective? Say it ain’t so.”

But it is so.

We are about one-third of the way through the Liberals’ proposed decade of infrastructure excess and we know three things for sure.

Total new spending was never going to be close to $187 billion. At the beginning, the Liberals simply reannounced $92 billion in infrastructure spending promised by the former Harper government, added $95 billion of their own and – presto! — $187 billion.

The spending since the Liberals took over in 2015 has been so haphazard that even the best fiscal minds in the country cannot say how much of the money spent so far has gone to legitimate infrastructure projects (roads, bridges, telecommunications networks, rail lines and waterways) and how much to Liberal pet projects in swing ridings.

And, finally, the third thing that can be said with some certainty is that all this tax- and deficit-funded spending has had nowhere near the economic impact the Liberals projected during the 2015 federal campaign. The best guess (and because of the shoddy bookkeeping, all anyone can do is guess) is that the program has had no more than one-third of the stimulus effect Prime Minister Justin Trudeau claimed it would have.

The Liberals insisted that if they could just overspend by $10 billion a year for three years, the new infrastructure those deficits would pay for would boost Canada’s GDP by 0.4% a year or nearly $5 billion annually.

Instead, the Parliamentary Budget Office (PBO) estimates the maximum amount of stimulus generated by all these buckets and buckets of taxpayer cash has been 0.16% or less than $2 billion. The stimulus effect might even by closer to just $1 billion a year.





But...but...but....HARPER!!!! Right HemeorrHOID?

How's that budget balancing going? Is Trudeau still on track to balance he books by fall of 2019? Didn't think so.

An elementary school student could figure out that budgets don't balance themselves, funny that Trudeau couldn't.
 
MHz
#235
Why try, nobody in the past has wiped out our national debt so set it up that the next gen can run it up 10x the current amount. It's for the children after all.
 
Hoid
#236
Quote: Originally Posted by DecapodaView Post

Kind of like the F-35 procurement was Chretien's and Martin's.

Not really.

That was Harper too.

Always great to hear from a subject matter expert/climate change denier.
 
petros
#237
Are you an amateur communist gullible chicken little?
 
Twin_Moose
Conservative
#238
Quote: Originally Posted by HoidView Post

Not really.
That was Harper too.
Always great to hear from a subject matter expert/climate change denier.

LINK

Quote:

The Liberal government of Jean Chretien joined the F-35 consortium in the late 1990s. That included a token payment to the consortium that also implied Canada would consider the aircraft for purchase and Canadian aerospace companies would participate in the design, development and building of F-35 components. About five years later, the Paul Martin Liberal government made a second and much larger payment.

LINK

Quote:

In January 1998, the Chrétien government formally signed on with seven other allies — Australia, Britain, Denmark, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway and Turkey. As a “level 3” participant, Canada invested approximately US$440 million, with the expectation that Canadian aerospace firms would receive contracts from the firm that won the competition. In 2001, Lockheed Martin’s F-35 Lightning II was chosen, and in 2002, the Chrétien government signed on to the next phase of the program.
Joining the JSF program was a smart decision. While Chrétien might have been attracted by the benefits to Canada’s aerospace sector, the F-35 was also a strategically sound choice. Simply put: if the F-35 was the only fighter that the US was going to fly in the 2020s and 2030s, then it was the logical fighter for Canada. Since the cancellation of the Avro Arrow in 1959, Canadians have always flown American fighters, and so it was logical that the CF-18s would be replaced by the F-35 in the fullness of time.

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/op...135787263.html

Quote:

The sale to Japan is seen as vital to the F-35's future. The new aircraft has been dogged by steep price increases and vexing technical issues mostly related to a U.S. Marine Corps variant of the aircraft that Canada and Japan are not purchasing.
The controversy over the lack of a formal bidding process for the F-35 in Ottawa, which the Liberal government of the day first committed to in 1997, has largely ignored the reality that Canada also did not have an open competition when it recently spent several billion dollars to acquire C-130 J Super Hercules and C-17 Globemaster III transports.
Both of these new aircraft were used extensively to support Canada's operations in Afghanistan and against Libya. If the C-130-J and C-17 had been put through an official tendering process, and the only alternative to those transports — the Airbus consortium's A400M — had won, the RCAF would still be without any new transport aircraft. This is because the A400M's development is years behind schedule. Hobbled by technical and financial issues, it has attracted far less interest from international buyers than the Super Hercules or the Globemaster III.

 
spilledthebeer
#239



How about that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals continue their chosen policy of buying the LEAST EFFECTIVE WEAPONS for the Cdn military!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And then LYING ABOUT IT AFTERWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



LIE-beral Chretien happily sent Cdn soldiers off to Afghanistan with utterly inadequate equipment- such as jungle pattern camouflage uniforms for that desert land!!!!!!!!!!!!


Such as worn out Iltis jeeps with NO ARMOUR protection at all - in a land full of snipers and land mines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Chretien was dumped in the next election as he deserved- and LIE-berals DID NOT DARE COMPLAIN while Harper equipped Cdn forces so they could operate SAFELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But that was then- and now LIE-berals FEEL FREE to whine about transport aircraft purchases so that Cdn soldiers would not be hitch hikers bumming rides with other military countries!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And LIE-berals whine about fighter jet purchases while they deliberately sabotage ALL CDN military purchases!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



They have been forced to buy some nearly worn out F 18 fighters from Australia- and without those jets the Cdn air force would CEASE TO EXIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals have ignored the Chretien army truck legacy- in which Chretien LIE-berals were forced to buy new vehicles for the army after Transport Canada took most of the existing rotted out rusting relics vehicles off the road!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So Chretien bought trucks from a Yankee company called White- with LOTS of experience building military vehicles- dating back before WW2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And LIE-berals DELIBERATELY BOUGHT LIGHT DUTY SH+T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The new vehicles were taken to an Alberta test range where all Cdn military vehicles were tested!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The Chretien vehicles FAILED MISERABLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Cracked axles, blown out transmissions..........and VERY LIMITED OFF ROAD ABILITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The LIE-beral solution was to CLOSE the test facility so the public could not find out what sort of CRAP LIE-berals had bought!!!!!!!!!!!!!


When Harper bought new vehicles for Cdn military he bought state of the art LAV 3`s -made in Ontari-owe by a General Motors subsidiary- and they served well- being STATE OF THE ART!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



But state of the art is NO GOOD for our military hating LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So they switched the specifications and the purchase requirments and bought some other CHEAP CRAP_ as is standard LIE-beral behaviour and now the CHEAP LIE-beral selected crap is breaking down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And LIE-berals want to blame HARPER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!


Yes- every STUPID CHOICE made by Our idiot Boy and his loser LIE-berals in the past THREE YEARS - is the fault of HARPER!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals seem to think Harper is a JEDI with the power to cloud the minds of the less intelligent and weak willed- which fits the LIE-beral mental condition NICELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Aftwr all -it was during the 1963 election - during which time Pierre Trudeau was running for the NDP that Pierre told us the LIE-berals were "a bunch of spineless sheep"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And as their leader for so many years - Pierre WOULD KNOW wouldnt he!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And now Harper is gone and LIE-berals have been tinkering with the
 
Cliffy
Free Thinker
#240
Our Canada Pension Plan

Allan Scott’s daughter died this year at the age of 34 and When he inquired about her CPP he was told that because she was not married and had no children, the money now belonged to the government. Nobody else was entitled to it.
On Sunday, November 6, 2016, Scott wrote: “When the CPP was put in place by the government of the day in 1965 (under liberal Lester B. Pearson) it was meant to assist people that did not have a pension.
Employees put in a percentage and the employer doubled the employee's input. There is no money in the CPP from the government of Canada. For a fee from the pool the government was supposed make the pool grow. We Canadians are getting less than half of what that pool
should be paying out every month. We are being cheated out of something that is legally ours, the government's.
This should be investigated by the Supreme Court. Good information for our families and friends and it should be passed around until everyone has read it.
Those who went before — one major thing wrong with the government's calculations of 'available CPP funds is they forgot to figure in the people who died before ever collecting CPP cheque. Where did that money go?
Also, ponder these additional points:
●The math: remember, not only did you and I contribute to CPP but your employer did too. It totalled 15% of your income before taxes so if you averaged only $30,000 during your working life of, let’s say of 45 years, that's $202,500. Read that again. The government paid nothing.
●Interest on the month you and your employer sent to the government was to ensure you would get a retirement cheque from that money you “invested” (not the government). If you calculate the future invested value of $4,500 a year (yours and your employer's contribution) at a simple 5% interest, after 49 years of working you'd have $892,919.98.
●The scheme: if you took out only 3% per year, you'd receive $26,78760 per year and it would last more than 30 years or until you're 95, if you retire at age 65), and that's with no interest paid on that final amount on deposit!
● If you bought an annuity and it paid 4% per year, you'd have a life-time income of $2,976.40 per month. Those in Ottawa have pulled off a bigger Ponzi scheme than Bernie Madoff ever did! They call CPP an “entitlement” even though most of us have been paying for it all our working lives. Now that it’s time for us to collect, the government is running out of money! Why does the government treat the fund as its general piggy bank?
The government is now calling CPP payouts an “entitlement,” but we paid aid cash for our CPP and just because the government “borrowed” it for other “programs doesn't make our benefits some kind of charity or handout!
Think about the entitlements of senators! We pay for their health care, outrageous
retirement packages, 67 yearly holidays, three weeks' paid vacation and an unlimited number of paid sick days. Now that's welfare. Yet, they have the gall to call our CPP retirement payments entitlements.
The latest estimate (as perGlobal news) is that it will cost us $600-million to bring in 25,000 refugees. The government (according to the Public Accounts Office) is already $5-billion in the hole. How much more will they take from our CPP to cover that expense? Former Immigration Minister, John Mccallum stated in a Global TV interview, that he would present his plan to Cabinet shortly, but he could not be pinned down as to cost. Will they write a blank cheque on our CPP account? The new philosophy is, refugees first, Canadians last.
One final thought on this. The military pays into CPP as everyone else does. Yet, when it comes time to draw on this “entitlement” an amount similar to CPP is witheld from their military pension. Who stands on guard for them? Sad isn't it? Get used to it as 99% of us won’t send this on.